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Previous to it's more modern usage (rave parties, etc) "rave" meant to praise, admire, talk about in an on-and-on fashion. THIS is what Holly was referring to with his song "Rave On". It's nothing to do with acting wildly or partying. Good lord... — Preceding unsigned comment added by MotorCityD ( talk • contribs) 16:25, 10 December 2012 (UTC)
I think the removed content by Pontificalibus about the different backgrounds of regions such as North America, Sydney , South America, etc. was usefull...Especially the North America since it had such a large influence coinciding with Europe. Either there should be a history of rave culture article page, or added back to the rave page. -a raver 1/17/2013 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.54.78.182 ( talk) 21:32, 17 January 2013 (UTC)
Are raves related to Emo culture? I think of some of the hairstyles and fashion as the same, but it also seems like electronic dance and trance music is a different genre. -- Beland ( talk) 15:20, 3 April 2014 (UTC)
"Rave culture originated mostly from acid music parties in the mid-to-late 1980s in the Chicago area in the United States.[1] After Chicago house artists began experiencing overseas success, it quickly spread to the United Kingdom, Central Europe, Australia and the rest of the United States.[2][3]"
Ummmmmmmmm...... this is dodgy. There is no way that England can be relegated to the same follower status as 'Central Europe'. Consensus seems to hold that the origin of 80s-90s rave culture was Manchester. The music, the sound system origins and the culture could be said to come from various sources, with various claims from Ibiza to Jamaica.
Also, the first part of this article, the summary definition, misses out a crucial element that made Raves aka Free Parties what they are: they are Free - including their entrance policies. They are nonprofit. They are temporary - held in unlicenced locations. And usually, they are thrown by sound systems.
The more I read on the subject, the more I see some people corrupting its definition. The main example: A rave is not a party that takes place in a regular licensed premises, with alcohol permits, and it is not a party with entrance fees. For a pay-to-enter party that takes place in a regular licensed venue, for profit, please see "Nightclub", as that is its basic definition. A dog is not a cat, and a rave is not a nightclub. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.110.239.227 ( talk) 18:18, 22 December 2014 (UTC)
I've added a tag for the expansion of the relevant history in Orlando, Florida re: the Beacham Theater. The Beacham Theater entry has adequate sourcing for the Florida history addition to this article. Johnvr4 ( talk) 14:32, 31 July 2016 (UTC)
I propose that the article rave music be merged into this rave article. The problem is that "rave is more of an event than a genre", but the existing rave music article assumes it's a genre. The music played at raves varies widely, and cannot be described as having a particular style or genre. House music, techno, jungle and drum and bass are all examples of rave music.
Music journalist Simon Reynolds discusses rave culture at length in his book Energy Flash: A Journey Through Rave Music and Dance Culture. He agrees that many kinds of music were played at raves, and that rave culture was based on dancing ecstatically to electronic dance music while under the influence of drugs, especially MDMA (ecstasy). Always DJ-based, the music could be breakbeat hardcore, house, techno – whatever worked with the drugged dancers to produce "tingly rushes" with "hallucinatory vividness". When Reynolds talks about various successful rave songs or artists, he often sorts them by genre, for instance Altern-8 is a techno duo, Danny Breaks is drum 'n bass, the Prodigy is hardcore early on, the Chemical Brothers is Britpop with breakbeats, SL2 is breakbeat hardcore, etc.
Reynolds writes that rave music was dependent on the breakbeat, the sample, the riff stab, the anthemic chorus, the audience blissed out on ecstasy, but later he writes about hardcore techno that avoids these elements, calling this "rave music purged of cheesy ravey-ness". So Reynolds contradicts himself when he attempt to define rave music as a coherent genre. He even says on page 534 "there's a massive contradiction" running through his book, because the ecstatic dance experience of rave culture was always beyond musical classification. He finds himself on more solid ground when he stays general, writing that the "original ethos of rave" involved a "sonic mishmash" linked to social mixing. So "rave music" is a mix of various genres I think would be best described within the rave article. Binksternet ( talk) 15:28, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
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Guys, I believe the word rave comes from the word for dream in French, please verify and edit. Here's a source: [1] 213.127.96.82 ( talk) 17:20, 16 April 2020 (UTC)
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Previous to it's more modern usage (rave parties, etc) "rave" meant to praise, admire, talk about in an on-and-on fashion. THIS is what Holly was referring to with his song "Rave On". It's nothing to do with acting wildly or partying. Good lord... — Preceding unsigned comment added by MotorCityD ( talk • contribs) 16:25, 10 December 2012 (UTC)
I think the removed content by Pontificalibus about the different backgrounds of regions such as North America, Sydney , South America, etc. was usefull...Especially the North America since it had such a large influence coinciding with Europe. Either there should be a history of rave culture article page, or added back to the rave page. -a raver 1/17/2013 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.54.78.182 ( talk) 21:32, 17 January 2013 (UTC)
Are raves related to Emo culture? I think of some of the hairstyles and fashion as the same, but it also seems like electronic dance and trance music is a different genre. -- Beland ( talk) 15:20, 3 April 2014 (UTC)
"Rave culture originated mostly from acid music parties in the mid-to-late 1980s in the Chicago area in the United States.[1] After Chicago house artists began experiencing overseas success, it quickly spread to the United Kingdom, Central Europe, Australia and the rest of the United States.[2][3]"
Ummmmmmmmm...... this is dodgy. There is no way that England can be relegated to the same follower status as 'Central Europe'. Consensus seems to hold that the origin of 80s-90s rave culture was Manchester. The music, the sound system origins and the culture could be said to come from various sources, with various claims from Ibiza to Jamaica.
Also, the first part of this article, the summary definition, misses out a crucial element that made Raves aka Free Parties what they are: they are Free - including their entrance policies. They are nonprofit. They are temporary - held in unlicenced locations. And usually, they are thrown by sound systems.
The more I read on the subject, the more I see some people corrupting its definition. The main example: A rave is not a party that takes place in a regular licensed premises, with alcohol permits, and it is not a party with entrance fees. For a pay-to-enter party that takes place in a regular licensed venue, for profit, please see "Nightclub", as that is its basic definition. A dog is not a cat, and a rave is not a nightclub. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.110.239.227 ( talk) 18:18, 22 December 2014 (UTC)
I've added a tag for the expansion of the relevant history in Orlando, Florida re: the Beacham Theater. The Beacham Theater entry has adequate sourcing for the Florida history addition to this article. Johnvr4 ( talk) 14:32, 31 July 2016 (UTC)
I propose that the article rave music be merged into this rave article. The problem is that "rave is more of an event than a genre", but the existing rave music article assumes it's a genre. The music played at raves varies widely, and cannot be described as having a particular style or genre. House music, techno, jungle and drum and bass are all examples of rave music.
Music journalist Simon Reynolds discusses rave culture at length in his book Energy Flash: A Journey Through Rave Music and Dance Culture. He agrees that many kinds of music were played at raves, and that rave culture was based on dancing ecstatically to electronic dance music while under the influence of drugs, especially MDMA (ecstasy). Always DJ-based, the music could be breakbeat hardcore, house, techno – whatever worked with the drugged dancers to produce "tingly rushes" with "hallucinatory vividness". When Reynolds talks about various successful rave songs or artists, he often sorts them by genre, for instance Altern-8 is a techno duo, Danny Breaks is drum 'n bass, the Prodigy is hardcore early on, the Chemical Brothers is Britpop with breakbeats, SL2 is breakbeat hardcore, etc.
Reynolds writes that rave music was dependent on the breakbeat, the sample, the riff stab, the anthemic chorus, the audience blissed out on ecstasy, but later he writes about hardcore techno that avoids these elements, calling this "rave music purged of cheesy ravey-ness". So Reynolds contradicts himself when he attempt to define rave music as a coherent genre. He even says on page 534 "there's a massive contradiction" running through his book, because the ecstatic dance experience of rave culture was always beyond musical classification. He finds himself on more solid ground when he stays general, writing that the "original ethos of rave" involved a "sonic mishmash" linked to social mixing. So "rave music" is a mix of various genres I think would be best described within the rave article. Binksternet ( talk) 15:28, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
Two images from the article, which had no relation to the section where they were placed. They may be included in future sections describing the history of those countries:
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Guys, I believe the word rave comes from the word for dream in French, please verify and edit. Here's a source: [1] 213.127.96.82 ( talk) 17:20, 16 April 2020 (UTC)