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The original uploader of the photo of Raising the Flag on Iwo Jima (18:25, 2 April 2005 . . Dbenbenn) had permission from Associated Press to post the photo and posted a fine image at 1380×1111 resolution. The photo has now been replaced with an image with a resolution of only 417×336. That may have been adequate for an 800x600 monitor; but on a 1920x1200 monitor it is too small to appreciate any detail. If Wikipedia is going to have any lasting value, there need to be higher resolution photos available. — Preceding unsigned comment added by BrJohn ( talk • contribs) 04:01, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
From what I understand, the Camera Joe Rosenthal used to take the picture currently resides at the George Eastman House. That might be something interesting to note, If it is in fact true, I would be willing to bet the GEH would be more than happy to supply a photograph of said camera. 70.101.92.136 06:46, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
I realise this is sourced, but the source does only say "possibly". File:Guevarakorda3.jpg ? Stu ’Bout ye! 08:18, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
I agree. Weasel words shouldn´t be allowed on a "featured" article. I have heard in a lot of places than Korda´s "Che Guevara" picture "ultimately came to be regarded as one of the most significant and recognizable images in history", outside the USA. So? without reliable citations, those phrases are completely irrelevant.
Weasel words are "some people say" or "it has been claimed" - claims without clear attribution. Providing a source (in this case, the Associated Press), it is, by definition, not weasel words. The reason it says "possibly" is because there's nobody keeping clear tabs on just how many copies of all images get produced - so any claim along these lines is inherently a best guess. Raul654 17:52, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
"most well recognized photo of World War II" ?! maybe if you're american. I'd seen the photo before, but thought it was something to do with Vietnam...(sorry) to me, a recognisable photo would be the Dunkirk evacuations or that one where the Queen Mum visits the blitzed East End. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Joeygirl ( talk • contribs) 08:53, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
Stepping through the video of the flag raising, I notice a skipped sequence right about the point where the video most closely resembles Rosenthal's image, which has been replaced by earlier frames. The flagpole lurches at first, than repeats part of its motion over a half second or so. It's as if the very image that most resembles Rosenthal's has been edited out and then replaced with others to make the break in the sequence less noticeable. (There are also several frame duplications and skips throughout the sequence which I presume may have something to do with mapping frame rate differences between film and ogg format, but that's not what I am talking about.). Any known explanations? Steipe 17:25, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
The claim that LST-758 supplied the flag for the second raising should be removed as the source Robert L. Resnick, " USCG Veteran Provided Stars and Stripes for U.S. Marines" has major dispcrencies in his story:
This is the Coast Guard reference for Coast Guard Quartermaster Robert Resnick from the
USS Duval County (LST-758) since the other references aren't workable.
[10] The DOD site also did Resnick's story with two photos of him on May 26, 2004. Resnick claims he attended a 5th Marine Division convention, he's a honorary member of the 5th Marine Division (member in 2001), and that he got a call from a former corpsman on Iwo Jima who told him he saw the flag/pipe.
Former Marine Lt. George Greeley Wells, 2/28 Marines adjutant in charge of both of the two American flags raised on 2/23/45, wrote in the NY Times in 1991: that Lt. Col. Johnson ordered him (Wells) to get another larger flag, he (Wells) sent Rene Gagnon to get a flag off a ship off shore, Gagnon returned and gave it to him (Wells), this larger flag was sent up Mt. Suribachi by Gagnon with a message for Schrier to raise the larger flag and send the other flag down with Gagnon, and Wells received Schrier's flag from Gagnon.
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Is there any information regarding the children of the flag raisers? I've done some searching but have been unable to turn up any results Geogo3r ( talk) 23:10, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
I have a copy of a photograph of an American flag raised on Iwo Jima early on the morning of D-day, February 19th, 1945. Could it be a photograph of the first American flag raised on Japanese soil. ( JCH1952 ( talk) 03:52, 23 October 2009 (UTC))
The paragraph on Rene Gangon's post-war experiences contains an inaccuracy about either his age at death or the length of his marriage. The article states that he died "in 1979 at 54" and that he had a "47-year marriage", meaning he would have been 7 years old when married. My guess is that his marriage duration is wrong, but I could not find a source stating how long he was married. Algaedna ( talk) 18:50, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
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Would some literate person with an interest in this topic please fix this sentence?
There are several issues here in regards to maintaining FA standards, for example: some refs are missing parameters, one is Angelfire, and there are 9 citation needed tags.??? PumpkinSky talk 21:33, 24 June 2012 (UTC)
Alan Wood, who supplied the flag raised in the iconic photo, has died
http://news.yahoo.com/wwii-vet-provided-flag-iwo-jima-died-033413807.html
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See LST-758 (Resnick) or LST-779 (Wood) section above in regard to Lt George Greeley Well's statement in NY Times 1991 about the 2nd flag in the famous photograph (the flag taken up Suribachi by Gagnon according to Wells who was the person in charge of it). From what I read about Wood, he did not recognize Rene Gagnon as the Marine whom he gave a flag to. YahwehSaves ( talk) 22:06, 21 October 2013 (UTC)
Two American Indians played big parts in both flag-raisings on Iwo Jima’s Mount Suribachi. Louis Charles Charlo, from the Bitterroot Salish Tribe of Montana, helped with the first flag. Ira Hayes, a Pima from Arizona, is in the famous photograph taken later that same day of another flag being raised. Why Ira Hayes is an internationally known hero and Louis Charlo has been lost to history Read more at http://indiancountrytodaymedianetwork.com/2011/11/07/american-indian-marine-was-part-iwo-jima-kept-out-spotlight-60406 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.183.119.36 ( talk) 23:30, 18 March 2014 (UTC)
You are correct it was to help him with medals, but the fact remains he was there for both flag raisings as the article points out, Hayes was used in the photo for the second shot. He deserves credit for what he did. Soldiers that were at the raising of the flag state that Charlo was there. "Louis Charles Charlo, from the Bitterroot Salish Tribe of Montana, helped with the first flag. Ira Hayes, a Pima from Arizona, is in the famous photograph taken later that same day of another flag being raised. " you can also contact my tribe for more information if needed. CSKT.org http://www.buffalopost.net/?tag=louis-charlo — Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.62.205.109 ( talk) 13:51, 19 March 2014 (UTC)
We aren't competing with anyone. What I believe is; people look at us all as "American Indians" when in fact we are different. We speak completely different dialects have different customs. Like French, English, Irish, German ect. http://indiancountrytodaymedianetwork.com is independent not affiliated with either tribe. And to make sure we are absolutely clear I have the utmost respect for Ira! And to be extra clear this isn't about medals.. History should be told correctly..
Here's something from http://www.eyewitnesstohistory.com/iwoflag.htm
At 8 a.m. on February 23, a patrol of 40 men from 3rd Platoon, E Company, 2nd Battalion, 28th Marines, led by 1LT Lieutenant Harold G. Schrier, assembled at the base of Mount Suribachi. The platoon's mission was to take the crater of Suribachi's peak and raise the U.S. flag. As a member of the first combat patrol to scale Mount Suribachi, Cpl Lindberg took his 72-pound flamethrower and started the tortuous climb up the rough terrain to the top.
As they reached the top, the patrol members took positions around the crater watching for pockets of enemy resistance as other members of the patrol looked for something on which to raise the flag. Present at the crest were six Marines of a 40-man patrol. They were 1LT Lieutenant Schrier, Sergeant Thomas, Sergeant Hansen, Private First Class Charlo, Private First Class Michels, and Corporal Charles W. Lindberg.
At approximately 10:20 a.m., the flag was hoisted on a steel pipe above the island. The sight of the small American flag flying from atop Mount Suribachi thrilled men all over the island. And for the first time during WWII, an American flag was flying above what was considered traditional Japanese territory. This symbol of victory sent a wave of strength to the battle-weary fighting men below, and st (ruck a further mental blow against the island's defenders.
There is a book used as a source here called "On the Origin of Spin: (Or how Hollywood, the Ad Men and the World Wide Web became the Fifth Estate and created our images of power)" Paperback – June 29, 2013. It seems to me this book has lifted multiple paragraphs from this wikipedia article. If so, it would be useless as an independent source. You can read the relevant section of the book here: https://books.google.com/books?id=7rNu06-I6IsC&pg=PA9#v=onepage&q&f=false
Here is a version of the wikipedia page from March 2013 (before the publication of the book), so you can see which one came first
https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Raising_the_Flag_on_Iwo_Jima&oldid=545010729
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The original uploader of the photo of Raising the Flag on Iwo Jima (18:25, 2 April 2005 . . Dbenbenn) had permission from Associated Press to post the photo and posted a fine image at 1380×1111 resolution. The photo has now been replaced with an image with a resolution of only 417×336. That may have been adequate for an 800x600 monitor; but on a 1920x1200 monitor it is too small to appreciate any detail. If Wikipedia is going to have any lasting value, there need to be higher resolution photos available. — Preceding unsigned comment added by BrJohn ( talk • contribs) 04:01, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
From what I understand, the Camera Joe Rosenthal used to take the picture currently resides at the George Eastman House. That might be something interesting to note, If it is in fact true, I would be willing to bet the GEH would be more than happy to supply a photograph of said camera. 70.101.92.136 06:46, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
I realise this is sourced, but the source does only say "possibly". File:Guevarakorda3.jpg ? Stu ’Bout ye! 08:18, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
I agree. Weasel words shouldn´t be allowed on a "featured" article. I have heard in a lot of places than Korda´s "Che Guevara" picture "ultimately came to be regarded as one of the most significant and recognizable images in history", outside the USA. So? without reliable citations, those phrases are completely irrelevant.
Weasel words are "some people say" or "it has been claimed" - claims without clear attribution. Providing a source (in this case, the Associated Press), it is, by definition, not weasel words. The reason it says "possibly" is because there's nobody keeping clear tabs on just how many copies of all images get produced - so any claim along these lines is inherently a best guess. Raul654 17:52, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
"most well recognized photo of World War II" ?! maybe if you're american. I'd seen the photo before, but thought it was something to do with Vietnam...(sorry) to me, a recognisable photo would be the Dunkirk evacuations or that one where the Queen Mum visits the blitzed East End. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Joeygirl ( talk • contribs) 08:53, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
Stepping through the video of the flag raising, I notice a skipped sequence right about the point where the video most closely resembles Rosenthal's image, which has been replaced by earlier frames. The flagpole lurches at first, than repeats part of its motion over a half second or so. It's as if the very image that most resembles Rosenthal's has been edited out and then replaced with others to make the break in the sequence less noticeable. (There are also several frame duplications and skips throughout the sequence which I presume may have something to do with mapping frame rate differences between film and ogg format, but that's not what I am talking about.). Any known explanations? Steipe 17:25, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
The claim that LST-758 supplied the flag for the second raising should be removed as the source Robert L. Resnick, " USCG Veteran Provided Stars and Stripes for U.S. Marines" has major dispcrencies in his story:
This is the Coast Guard reference for Coast Guard Quartermaster Robert Resnick from the
USS Duval County (LST-758) since the other references aren't workable.
[10] The DOD site also did Resnick's story with two photos of him on May 26, 2004. Resnick claims he attended a 5th Marine Division convention, he's a honorary member of the 5th Marine Division (member in 2001), and that he got a call from a former corpsman on Iwo Jima who told him he saw the flag/pipe.
Former Marine Lt. George Greeley Wells, 2/28 Marines adjutant in charge of both of the two American flags raised on 2/23/45, wrote in the NY Times in 1991: that Lt. Col. Johnson ordered him (Wells) to get another larger flag, he (Wells) sent Rene Gagnon to get a flag off a ship off shore, Gagnon returned and gave it to him (Wells), this larger flag was sent up Mt. Suribachi by Gagnon with a message for Schrier to raise the larger flag and send the other flag down with Gagnon, and Wells received Schrier's flag from Gagnon.
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Is there any information regarding the children of the flag raisers? I've done some searching but have been unable to turn up any results Geogo3r ( talk) 23:10, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
I have a copy of a photograph of an American flag raised on Iwo Jima early on the morning of D-day, February 19th, 1945. Could it be a photograph of the first American flag raised on Japanese soil. ( JCH1952 ( talk) 03:52, 23 October 2009 (UTC))
The paragraph on Rene Gangon's post-war experiences contains an inaccuracy about either his age at death or the length of his marriage. The article states that he died "in 1979 at 54" and that he had a "47-year marriage", meaning he would have been 7 years old when married. My guess is that his marriage duration is wrong, but I could not find a source stating how long he was married. Algaedna ( talk) 18:50, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
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Would some literate person with an interest in this topic please fix this sentence?
There are several issues here in regards to maintaining FA standards, for example: some refs are missing parameters, one is Angelfire, and there are 9 citation needed tags.??? PumpkinSky talk 21:33, 24 June 2012 (UTC)
Alan Wood, who supplied the flag raised in the iconic photo, has died
http://news.yahoo.com/wwii-vet-provided-flag-iwo-jima-died-033413807.html
Irish Melkite (
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See LST-758 (Resnick) or LST-779 (Wood) section above in regard to Lt George Greeley Well's statement in NY Times 1991 about the 2nd flag in the famous photograph (the flag taken up Suribachi by Gagnon according to Wells who was the person in charge of it). From what I read about Wood, he did not recognize Rene Gagnon as the Marine whom he gave a flag to. YahwehSaves ( talk) 22:06, 21 October 2013 (UTC)
Two American Indians played big parts in both flag-raisings on Iwo Jima’s Mount Suribachi. Louis Charles Charlo, from the Bitterroot Salish Tribe of Montana, helped with the first flag. Ira Hayes, a Pima from Arizona, is in the famous photograph taken later that same day of another flag being raised. Why Ira Hayes is an internationally known hero and Louis Charlo has been lost to history Read more at http://indiancountrytodaymedianetwork.com/2011/11/07/american-indian-marine-was-part-iwo-jima-kept-out-spotlight-60406 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.183.119.36 ( talk) 23:30, 18 March 2014 (UTC)
You are correct it was to help him with medals, but the fact remains he was there for both flag raisings as the article points out, Hayes was used in the photo for the second shot. He deserves credit for what he did. Soldiers that were at the raising of the flag state that Charlo was there. "Louis Charles Charlo, from the Bitterroot Salish Tribe of Montana, helped with the first flag. Ira Hayes, a Pima from Arizona, is in the famous photograph taken later that same day of another flag being raised. " you can also contact my tribe for more information if needed. CSKT.org http://www.buffalopost.net/?tag=louis-charlo — Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.62.205.109 ( talk) 13:51, 19 March 2014 (UTC)
We aren't competing with anyone. What I believe is; people look at us all as "American Indians" when in fact we are different. We speak completely different dialects have different customs. Like French, English, Irish, German ect. http://indiancountrytodaymedianetwork.com is independent not affiliated with either tribe. And to make sure we are absolutely clear I have the utmost respect for Ira! And to be extra clear this isn't about medals.. History should be told correctly..
Here's something from http://www.eyewitnesstohistory.com/iwoflag.htm
At 8 a.m. on February 23, a patrol of 40 men from 3rd Platoon, E Company, 2nd Battalion, 28th Marines, led by 1LT Lieutenant Harold G. Schrier, assembled at the base of Mount Suribachi. The platoon's mission was to take the crater of Suribachi's peak and raise the U.S. flag. As a member of the first combat patrol to scale Mount Suribachi, Cpl Lindberg took his 72-pound flamethrower and started the tortuous climb up the rough terrain to the top.
As they reached the top, the patrol members took positions around the crater watching for pockets of enemy resistance as other members of the patrol looked for something on which to raise the flag. Present at the crest were six Marines of a 40-man patrol. They were 1LT Lieutenant Schrier, Sergeant Thomas, Sergeant Hansen, Private First Class Charlo, Private First Class Michels, and Corporal Charles W. Lindberg.
At approximately 10:20 a.m., the flag was hoisted on a steel pipe above the island. The sight of the small American flag flying from atop Mount Suribachi thrilled men all over the island. And for the first time during WWII, an American flag was flying above what was considered traditional Japanese territory. This symbol of victory sent a wave of strength to the battle-weary fighting men below, and st (ruck a further mental blow against the island's defenders.
There is a book used as a source here called "On the Origin of Spin: (Or how Hollywood, the Ad Men and the World Wide Web became the Fifth Estate and created our images of power)" Paperback – June 29, 2013. It seems to me this book has lifted multiple paragraphs from this wikipedia article. If so, it would be useless as an independent source. You can read the relevant section of the book here: https://books.google.com/books?id=7rNu06-I6IsC&pg=PA9#v=onepage&q&f=false
Here is a version of the wikipedia page from March 2013 (before the publication of the book), so you can see which one came first
https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Raising_the_Flag_on_Iwo_Jima&oldid=545010729
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