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I have just been having a very interesting discussion, which I was hoping for some clarity. What legislation stipulates that the wife of a King is a Queen? I haven't been able to find any source which stipulates this in writing. Surely, it can't just be a matter of tradition? There must be something which regulates and specifies in law that the wife of a King is a Queen. If not, how can we make articles listing people as Queen's when there's nothing at all that specifically states that they are. An assumption is not law. A tradition is not a law. Prince Philip had to be ennobled as Prince because King George VI had erroneously assumed that granting the style HRH would make him a Prince. The Queen had to correct her Father's mistake later in her reign. If something needed to be specified in the case of Prince Phillip, then I would assume that something needs to be specified with regards to who holds the title of Queen. Or is the title just an assumption with no legal standing whatsoever.... I'd be very interested to read any thoughts on this?
11 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.0.29.40 ( talk) 15:38, 28 March 2018 (UTC)
Hello all. I've been working on making lists of European queen consorts over at User:John Kenney/Queens. I wonder if this might be useful as an actual wikipedia article, either on this page or linked from it. any thoughts? john k 20:29, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
Aside from the fact that on holds the title of Queen with the style Majesty whilst holds the title of Princess with the style Royal Highness, what is the difference between a Queen Consort and a Princess Consort? Is there any point to this intended downgrade in title if there isn't a difference.
It has to do with the fact that Camilla is divorced. Charles is also divorced, but if one does not recognise his divorce, then he is widowed. Camilla is, however one looks at it, divorced.
So she is not a "suitable" Queen of England, even as Queen Consort. If, when her husband accedes the throne, she is to become his consort, a suitable title must be found. "Princess Consort" seems like a good way to go, because it then creates a hierachy which acknowledges that princess is less than king without confirming the old (nowadays artificial and somewhat offensive) hierarchy that queen is less than king. The term "princess consort" follows the same form as "prince consort".
And any question of having a divorced queen is simply sidestepped by a technicality.
-- Amandajm 07:29, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
thinks:- Oh, no! There's another b* split infinitive! ---Did I miss a punctuation rule change somewhere?
Isn't "A queen consort is the wife and consort of a reigning king." redundant? According to wicktionary, consort already means wife of a king. -- MarSch 11:41, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
Wiktionary, shockingly enough, is wrong. "Consort" is just a synonym for "spouse". It is most often used for the spouse of a reigning monarch, but a reigning monarch is not necessarily a king. john k 15:22, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
Is the plural form of "queen consort" "queens consort"? One of the sections of this article uses "queens consort".
Is "consort" in "queen consort" a noun or an adjective? If the plural form of "queen consort" is "queens consort", it perhaps looks like an adjective. However, I find "queen consort" in an English-Korean dictionary, it is written as the stress is "quéen cónsort", [1] that means it is /ˈkwiːn ˈkɒnsɔːt/ in RP and /ˈkwiːn ˈkɑnsɔɹt/ in GA. (Most of English dictionaries written in Korean and published in the Republic of Korea is using the acute accent ( ´ ) as the primary stress and the grave accent ( ` ) as the secondary stress.) /ˈkɒnsɔːt/ and /ˈkɑnsɔɹt/ are not the pronunciations as an adjective but as a noun.
Briefly, my questions are below:
Is it not the case that a queen consort HAS official power in connection with her title? Unlike a First Lady, she would have official recognition as a consort of her husband.
In my view, the expression "dying without issue" is not widely understood. A very brief explanation would be helpful. Richard Myers ( talk) 14:03, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
Why are so many periods and commas being placed outside quotation marks these days? Don't they ALWAYS go inside? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.181.52.193 ( talk) 15:49, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
the phrasing "usually ... Most of the time, however" is confusing/contradictory. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.8.189.243 ( talk) 02:00, 7 October 2009 (UTC)
In order to avoid an edit war, this is why I reverted the change to my edit;
I know there has been discussion of Camilla becoming Princess Consort, but there has been, that I can find, NO "declaration" from either Parliament or Clarence House that this WILL be the title used.
Further, while there is no "law" that would prevent Camilla from using the title "Princess Consort", she can not use a Title that does not exist. Thus, there is "something" that keeps her from using such a title.
She uses Duchess of Cornwall now as that *IS* one of her subsidiary titles that DOES exist.
The plain fact of the matter is that the change I made is simply the truth of the matter. In order for her to be known as Princess Consort in the United Kingdom, the Parliament of the UK *WILL* need to pass an act to deal with the issue. It is also possible that Charles could issue a letter patent to deal with the situation, but this is unlikely as changing the title used by a Queen Consort will likely set a precedent, rather than a one off change by a patent. This also opens up issue as to if the Commonwealth Realms need to also consent to such a change in keeping with the linear "ideals" of the Statute of Westminister. Having a Princess Consort of the United Kingdom and a Queen Consort of Canada (etc) is not in line with the spirit of the Statute. Dphilp75 ( talk) 15:51, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
Does anybody know if the term "queen consort" originated as a word-for-word translation of a foreign (perhaps french?) phrase? Because it seems unusual that it would be "queen consort" rather than "consort queen"; usually in english the modifier comes first — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.121.6.113 ( talk) 16:58, 5 May 2017 (UTC)
I'm new to editing, but want to adhere to the norms. I think it's suggested as best practice to share the editing points I plan to make on the page. I have found research that suggests another role of queen consorts were as tools of cultural transfer by means of introducing new traditions, asthestics and interests through travel and change of environment. Because women were often married off very early in life, some were found (through letters, documents of travel and the like) to have influenced leaders and nations of their new families by keeping the traditions and practices of their homelands even after marriage and travel. I would also like to add under Titles the example of Prince Albert of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha, husband of Queen Victoria, as Prince Consort. Klb89 ( talk) 19:58, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
Sources: Chancellor, F.B. (1931)Prince Consort.The Dial Press. 215-218
Watanabe-O'Kelly, H.(2016) Cultural Transfer and the Eighteenth Century Queen Consort. German History.(34)2. pg 279-292 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Klb89 ( talk • contribs) 18:51, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
A discussion is taking place to address the redirect
Royal consort. The discussion will occur at
Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 December 14#Royal consort until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion.
MB
15:01, 14 December 2020 (UTC)
The first paragraph under the section on Titles states "The title of prince consort for the husband of a reigning queen is rare. Examples are Henry Stuart, Lord Darnley, in Scotland; Antoine of Bourbon-Vendôme in Navarre; Francis, Duke of Cádiz, in Spain; and Ferdinand of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha in Portugal." Yet the Wikipedia article on each of these men specify them as King Consort jure uxoris
Darnley was officially proclaimed King (Consort) of Scotland the day after his marriage on 30 July 1565, a title never confirmed by Scotland's Parliament but never challenged either. Ferdinand was legally made King Consort of Portugal. Francis retained his King Consort title even after his wife abdicated. And this is all detailed in the linked article Prince Consort. In fact, the only actual Prince Consort listed there is Albert of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha.
So other than Albert, why are these men listed as Prince Consorts? Do we remove their names or correct their titles to King Consort and list Albert in a separate sentence? History Lunatic ( talk) 16:29, 18 December 2020 (UTC)History Lunatic
"Queen consort" has never been and is till not a title. "Queen" is a title. There is so much silliness going on since E2R died - such as "Queen Consort Camilla" or "the King and the Queen Consort". Wikipedia should always be careful not to support and legitimize silliness. -- SergeWoodzing ( talk) 20:58, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
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I have just been having a very interesting discussion, which I was hoping for some clarity. What legislation stipulates that the wife of a King is a Queen? I haven't been able to find any source which stipulates this in writing. Surely, it can't just be a matter of tradition? There must be something which regulates and specifies in law that the wife of a King is a Queen. If not, how can we make articles listing people as Queen's when there's nothing at all that specifically states that they are. An assumption is not law. A tradition is not a law. Prince Philip had to be ennobled as Prince because King George VI had erroneously assumed that granting the style HRH would make him a Prince. The Queen had to correct her Father's mistake later in her reign. If something needed to be specified in the case of Prince Phillip, then I would assume that something needs to be specified with regards to who holds the title of Queen. Or is the title just an assumption with no legal standing whatsoever.... I'd be very interested to read any thoughts on this?
11 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.0.29.40 ( talk) 15:38, 28 March 2018 (UTC)
Hello all. I've been working on making lists of European queen consorts over at User:John Kenney/Queens. I wonder if this might be useful as an actual wikipedia article, either on this page or linked from it. any thoughts? john k 20:29, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
Aside from the fact that on holds the title of Queen with the style Majesty whilst holds the title of Princess with the style Royal Highness, what is the difference between a Queen Consort and a Princess Consort? Is there any point to this intended downgrade in title if there isn't a difference.
It has to do with the fact that Camilla is divorced. Charles is also divorced, but if one does not recognise his divorce, then he is widowed. Camilla is, however one looks at it, divorced.
So she is not a "suitable" Queen of England, even as Queen Consort. If, when her husband accedes the throne, she is to become his consort, a suitable title must be found. "Princess Consort" seems like a good way to go, because it then creates a hierachy which acknowledges that princess is less than king without confirming the old (nowadays artificial and somewhat offensive) hierarchy that queen is less than king. The term "princess consort" follows the same form as "prince consort".
And any question of having a divorced queen is simply sidestepped by a technicality.
-- Amandajm 07:29, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
thinks:- Oh, no! There's another b* split infinitive! ---Did I miss a punctuation rule change somewhere?
Isn't "A queen consort is the wife and consort of a reigning king." redundant? According to wicktionary, consort already means wife of a king. -- MarSch 11:41, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
Wiktionary, shockingly enough, is wrong. "Consort" is just a synonym for "spouse". It is most often used for the spouse of a reigning monarch, but a reigning monarch is not necessarily a king. john k 15:22, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
Is the plural form of "queen consort" "queens consort"? One of the sections of this article uses "queens consort".
Is "consort" in "queen consort" a noun or an adjective? If the plural form of "queen consort" is "queens consort", it perhaps looks like an adjective. However, I find "queen consort" in an English-Korean dictionary, it is written as the stress is "quéen cónsort", [1] that means it is /ˈkwiːn ˈkɒnsɔːt/ in RP and /ˈkwiːn ˈkɑnsɔɹt/ in GA. (Most of English dictionaries written in Korean and published in the Republic of Korea is using the acute accent ( ´ ) as the primary stress and the grave accent ( ` ) as the secondary stress.) /ˈkɒnsɔːt/ and /ˈkɑnsɔɹt/ are not the pronunciations as an adjective but as a noun.
Briefly, my questions are below:
Is it not the case that a queen consort HAS official power in connection with her title? Unlike a First Lady, she would have official recognition as a consort of her husband.
In my view, the expression "dying without issue" is not widely understood. A very brief explanation would be helpful. Richard Myers ( talk) 14:03, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
Why are so many periods and commas being placed outside quotation marks these days? Don't they ALWAYS go inside? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.181.52.193 ( talk) 15:49, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
the phrasing "usually ... Most of the time, however" is confusing/contradictory. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.8.189.243 ( talk) 02:00, 7 October 2009 (UTC)
In order to avoid an edit war, this is why I reverted the change to my edit;
I know there has been discussion of Camilla becoming Princess Consort, but there has been, that I can find, NO "declaration" from either Parliament or Clarence House that this WILL be the title used.
Further, while there is no "law" that would prevent Camilla from using the title "Princess Consort", she can not use a Title that does not exist. Thus, there is "something" that keeps her from using such a title.
She uses Duchess of Cornwall now as that *IS* one of her subsidiary titles that DOES exist.
The plain fact of the matter is that the change I made is simply the truth of the matter. In order for her to be known as Princess Consort in the United Kingdom, the Parliament of the UK *WILL* need to pass an act to deal with the issue. It is also possible that Charles could issue a letter patent to deal with the situation, but this is unlikely as changing the title used by a Queen Consort will likely set a precedent, rather than a one off change by a patent. This also opens up issue as to if the Commonwealth Realms need to also consent to such a change in keeping with the linear "ideals" of the Statute of Westminister. Having a Princess Consort of the United Kingdom and a Queen Consort of Canada (etc) is not in line with the spirit of the Statute. Dphilp75 ( talk) 15:51, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
Does anybody know if the term "queen consort" originated as a word-for-word translation of a foreign (perhaps french?) phrase? Because it seems unusual that it would be "queen consort" rather than "consort queen"; usually in english the modifier comes first — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.121.6.113 ( talk) 16:58, 5 May 2017 (UTC)
I'm new to editing, but want to adhere to the norms. I think it's suggested as best practice to share the editing points I plan to make on the page. I have found research that suggests another role of queen consorts were as tools of cultural transfer by means of introducing new traditions, asthestics and interests through travel and change of environment. Because women were often married off very early in life, some were found (through letters, documents of travel and the like) to have influenced leaders and nations of their new families by keeping the traditions and practices of their homelands even after marriage and travel. I would also like to add under Titles the example of Prince Albert of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha, husband of Queen Victoria, as Prince Consort. Klb89 ( talk) 19:58, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
Sources: Chancellor, F.B. (1931)Prince Consort.The Dial Press. 215-218
Watanabe-O'Kelly, H.(2016) Cultural Transfer and the Eighteenth Century Queen Consort. German History.(34)2. pg 279-292 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Klb89 ( talk • contribs) 18:51, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
A discussion is taking place to address the redirect
Royal consort. The discussion will occur at
Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 December 14#Royal consort until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion.
MB
15:01, 14 December 2020 (UTC)
The first paragraph under the section on Titles states "The title of prince consort for the husband of a reigning queen is rare. Examples are Henry Stuart, Lord Darnley, in Scotland; Antoine of Bourbon-Vendôme in Navarre; Francis, Duke of Cádiz, in Spain; and Ferdinand of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha in Portugal." Yet the Wikipedia article on each of these men specify them as King Consort jure uxoris
Darnley was officially proclaimed King (Consort) of Scotland the day after his marriage on 30 July 1565, a title never confirmed by Scotland's Parliament but never challenged either. Ferdinand was legally made King Consort of Portugal. Francis retained his King Consort title even after his wife abdicated. And this is all detailed in the linked article Prince Consort. In fact, the only actual Prince Consort listed there is Albert of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha.
So other than Albert, why are these men listed as Prince Consorts? Do we remove their names or correct their titles to King Consort and list Albert in a separate sentence? History Lunatic ( talk) 16:29, 18 December 2020 (UTC)History Lunatic
"Queen consort" has never been and is till not a title. "Queen" is a title. There is so much silliness going on since E2R died - such as "Queen Consort Camilla" or "the King and the Queen Consort". Wikipedia should always be careful not to support and legitimize silliness. -- SergeWoodzing ( talk) 20:58, 11 October 2022 (UTC)