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At present this redirects to Anne, Queen of Great Britain. Should it do so, or should it redirect to Queen Anne (disambiguation)? PatGallacher ( talk) 08:40, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
The British queen may be the best known Queen Anne but not necessarily by a large margin. Given the large number of other meanings, 19 other queens or similar called Anne plus the 2 locations in Maryland, it needs a fairly clear prominince over the others to decide that she is the primary meaning. She is not historically very important, she reigned for 12 years, a bit on the short side, and she was largely a figurehead monarch, effective power was really in the hands of male politicians. PatGallacher ( talk) 10:54, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
Time for fun with statistics! Specifically, here's an article traffic analysis I did on the Queen Anne (disambiguation) page. First off, all stats are from August 2010 - well before this discussion started. Second, I excluded wives of Henry VIII - as Kotniski noted, they're commonly known by far other than as "Queen Anne". With that as preface, and keeping in mind that all statistics should be taken with a grain of salt....
What does this show? I think it clearly shows, at a minimum, that this Queen Anne is the person most widely known by that name. Especially when you exclude the Annas. Even including the adjectival uses of "Queen Anne", this one is viewed at least 3 to 5 times more than any other use. And I see the lowest percentage - 31% of all non-Henry VIII pages - as a conservative number, as many of those subjects are not commonly known simply as "Queen Anne". For each subject where "Queen Anne" is not the common name, this Queen Anne's percentage of the total increases. So there you go, folks - feel free to let me know where you think the weaknesses are, but I think it's a fair presentation of the big picture. It's a starting point, if nothing else. Dohn joe ( talk) 18:36, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
The best way we have to answer this question is probably by looking at page view statistics which show that the architecture at Queen Anne Style architecture gets about 11,000 views per month, while the queen, formerly at Anne of Great Britain, gets over 50,000, sometimes 60,000 or even over 70,000. In other words, out of 100 people looking for either the queen or the architecture by searching with "Queen Anne", conservatively speaking no more than 20 would be looking for the architecture while over 80 would be seeking the article about the queen. It's only reasoning like that that can be used to determine primary topic, and in this case it clearly indicate that the queen is the primary topic for Queen Anne. Does that make sense? -- Born2cycle ( talk) 20:31, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
I also don't understand the relevance of the article about the chair not having a link to the article about the queen to your argument. If anything, that would artificially lower the page view counts of the queen article, and not affect the view counts of the chair article (because you have to be already viewing the chair article to be affected by whether or not it has a link to something else). -- Born2cycle ( talk) 19:56, 9 December 2010 (UTC)
(outdent) I've rejigged the Queen Anne (disambiguation) page so that the links to the articles on the style(s) come at the top rather than near the bottom; improvement?-- Kotniski ( talk) 12:05, 11 December 2010 (U
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Archive 1 |
At present this redirects to Anne, Queen of Great Britain. Should it do so, or should it redirect to Queen Anne (disambiguation)? PatGallacher ( talk) 08:40, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
The British queen may be the best known Queen Anne but not necessarily by a large margin. Given the large number of other meanings, 19 other queens or similar called Anne plus the 2 locations in Maryland, it needs a fairly clear prominince over the others to decide that she is the primary meaning. She is not historically very important, she reigned for 12 years, a bit on the short side, and she was largely a figurehead monarch, effective power was really in the hands of male politicians. PatGallacher ( talk) 10:54, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
Time for fun with statistics! Specifically, here's an article traffic analysis I did on the Queen Anne (disambiguation) page. First off, all stats are from August 2010 - well before this discussion started. Second, I excluded wives of Henry VIII - as Kotniski noted, they're commonly known by far other than as "Queen Anne". With that as preface, and keeping in mind that all statistics should be taken with a grain of salt....
What does this show? I think it clearly shows, at a minimum, that this Queen Anne is the person most widely known by that name. Especially when you exclude the Annas. Even including the adjectival uses of "Queen Anne", this one is viewed at least 3 to 5 times more than any other use. And I see the lowest percentage - 31% of all non-Henry VIII pages - as a conservative number, as many of those subjects are not commonly known simply as "Queen Anne". For each subject where "Queen Anne" is not the common name, this Queen Anne's percentage of the total increases. So there you go, folks - feel free to let me know where you think the weaknesses are, but I think it's a fair presentation of the big picture. It's a starting point, if nothing else. Dohn joe ( talk) 18:36, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
The best way we have to answer this question is probably by looking at page view statistics which show that the architecture at Queen Anne Style architecture gets about 11,000 views per month, while the queen, formerly at Anne of Great Britain, gets over 50,000, sometimes 60,000 or even over 70,000. In other words, out of 100 people looking for either the queen or the architecture by searching with "Queen Anne", conservatively speaking no more than 20 would be looking for the architecture while over 80 would be seeking the article about the queen. It's only reasoning like that that can be used to determine primary topic, and in this case it clearly indicate that the queen is the primary topic for Queen Anne. Does that make sense? -- Born2cycle ( talk) 20:31, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
I also don't understand the relevance of the article about the chair not having a link to the article about the queen to your argument. If anything, that would artificially lower the page view counts of the queen article, and not affect the view counts of the chair article (because you have to be already viewing the chair article to be affected by whether or not it has a link to something else). -- Born2cycle ( talk) 19:56, 9 December 2010 (UTC)
(outdent) I've rejigged the Queen Anne (disambiguation) page so that the links to the articles on the style(s) come at the top rather than near the bottom; improvement?-- Kotniski ( talk) 12:05, 11 December 2010 (U
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