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I'm wondering about the subject of the "Pub & Grill." Would you consider it a subject worth looking into for WP, and if so, would it be a sub-category under Pubs, or would it be it's own entity. I've been looking around for proof of usage of the words Pub and Grill together, and haven't found anything as of yet, but it's a very common term. I would not consider it slang. Any thoughts? Blackanguskhan ( talk) 01:54, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
I for one have never heard the phrase Pub and Grill. I only mention this, not because this should be relevant to whether it should be an entry in Wikipedia, but to add one single vote (albeit against 6.5 billion abstentions), that this isn't 'a very common term'. 217.171.129.70 ( talk) 03:51, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
I think it should be made plain that a lock-in need not be illegal; the premises essentially revert to being a private house after licensing hours, and providing no consideration (money) is made for any alcoholic drinks, those remaining are simply guests of the householder.
Similarly, I've heard it argued that smoking in his house was perfectly legal after licensing hours, since the property was de jure no longer premises open to the public on whatever definition that is in the appropriate act or acts (and that they may be inconsistent or contradictory). That, I believe, has yet to be tested in law. Si Trew ( talk) 06:35, 24 July 2010 (UTC)
Someone with a better English and more wikipedia experience might write about ruin pubs, which came into fashion in Hungary. Just a few words, and later maybe a new article. Tom —Preceding unsigned comment added by 146.110.102.159 ( talk) 11:15, 24 September 2010 (UTC)
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1209600/A-pub-parlour-Flossies-pub-room-cottage-You-let-pulled-pint-left-money-jam-jar-Now-orders-locals-crying-beer.html I saw this on countryfile on Sunday. The article does not mention Parlour Pubs, I only know from this newspaper article, can anyone else expand? Halbared ( talk) 13:39, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
97.118.115.25 ( talk) 03:04, 19 January 2011 (UTC)
FYI I just deleted a link to this URL which was entitled 'Advice for international students going to pubs'
The URL was to an insurance advice web site.
Should this be moved to just "pub." Public house isn't the most commonly used name. It is "pub." Public house seems too professional and strict. Just wondering. Simple pub seems simple. 24.9.97.169 ( talk) 20:53, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
This article should really be moved to just "Pub". Public house should redirect to "Pub", not the other way around. 90.184.5.10 ( talk) 22:10, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
It is useful to include the separate statement about Northern Ireland (even without citation): it has not been disputed in the Pubs in Ireland article and is relevant to this article as Northern Ireland is a part of the United Kingdom.-- Felix Folio Secundus ( talk) 05:53, 30 April 2011 (UTC)
This hardly seems enough to introduce readers (who in many cases will not be familiar with the countries where public houses are prevalent) to this complex subject. "In many places the pub is the focal point of the community." hardly provides any information at all since "community" is a term of many different meanings, and many communities exist with no public houses at all.-- Felix Folio Secundus ( talk) 18:50, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
I removed a reference to CAMRA and British Isles as the term "British Isles" can be considered controversial. From what I can see this is a solely UK based organisation and if anyone wants to include the whole of the British Isles they should include a reference to that fact. Bjmullan ( talk) 22:52, 9 October 2011 (UTC)
I think the variety of pub layouts may vary in different regions, or perhaps between towns, and that maybe someone with time on their hands could look into this.
In my hometown, the general trend is between 'bar' and 'lounge'. The distinction was not so much class-based as many of these pubs were frequented almost exclusively by working patrons. Like I say, local factors may predominate, but in my area the historical role of the rooms breaks down like this:
The bar is where the boisterous, male dominated drinking would take place. There was not much in the way of standards in the bar, with conduct being ignored and furniture and decor being somewhat spartan. Smoking in the bar was a given. Many drinkers would stand in the bar rather than sit, and seats would mainly be stools around small round tables, rather than chairs or cushioned benches built around proper tables. A pool or billiards room may be tacked on, or accessed through the bar, or simply amalgamated with it. Darts, dominos or any other pub games (except cards) would take place here.
The lounge is where the more refined drinking took place. Not in any sense a middle-class room as per the descriptions (probably in other areas where the distinctions are different) but more where people could enjoy a quiet drink. The wearing of hats and swearing where often discouraged in the lounge A young man may go out with the blokes from work in the bar, but then a few days later, take his girlfriend for a drink, in which case they would use the lounge. In pubs where children were permitted in certain hours, the lounge was the only room in which they were allowed. Card games tended to be played in the lounge. Many pubs in the area made use of an 'island' counter, where the dividing wall between bar and lounge went through the bar, essentially creating two bars in two rooms, enabling customers from both rooms to access a serving-bar. Older customers would use the lounge, as would couples. Women drinking in the bar was generally seen (in times gone by) as a negative thing.
Obviously I cant just write all that into the article, but maybe if someone in the know has access to sources about the regional variations in the layout of pubs, then they can cite these sources and enrich the content of the article somewhat. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.78.72.153 ( talk) 00:34, 2 May 2012 (UTC)
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I'm wondering about the subject of the "Pub & Grill." Would you consider it a subject worth looking into for WP, and if so, would it be a sub-category under Pubs, or would it be it's own entity. I've been looking around for proof of usage of the words Pub and Grill together, and haven't found anything as of yet, but it's a very common term. I would not consider it slang. Any thoughts? Blackanguskhan ( talk) 01:54, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
I for one have never heard the phrase Pub and Grill. I only mention this, not because this should be relevant to whether it should be an entry in Wikipedia, but to add one single vote (albeit against 6.5 billion abstentions), that this isn't 'a very common term'. 217.171.129.70 ( talk) 03:51, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
I think it should be made plain that a lock-in need not be illegal; the premises essentially revert to being a private house after licensing hours, and providing no consideration (money) is made for any alcoholic drinks, those remaining are simply guests of the householder.
Similarly, I've heard it argued that smoking in his house was perfectly legal after licensing hours, since the property was de jure no longer premises open to the public on whatever definition that is in the appropriate act or acts (and that they may be inconsistent or contradictory). That, I believe, has yet to be tested in law. Si Trew ( talk) 06:35, 24 July 2010 (UTC)
Someone with a better English and more wikipedia experience might write about ruin pubs, which came into fashion in Hungary. Just a few words, and later maybe a new article. Tom —Preceding unsigned comment added by 146.110.102.159 ( talk) 11:15, 24 September 2010 (UTC)
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1209600/A-pub-parlour-Flossies-pub-room-cottage-You-let-pulled-pint-left-money-jam-jar-Now-orders-locals-crying-beer.html I saw this on countryfile on Sunday. The article does not mention Parlour Pubs, I only know from this newspaper article, can anyone else expand? Halbared ( talk) 13:39, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
97.118.115.25 ( talk) 03:04, 19 January 2011 (UTC)
FYI I just deleted a link to this URL which was entitled 'Advice for international students going to pubs'
The URL was to an insurance advice web site.
Should this be moved to just "pub." Public house isn't the most commonly used name. It is "pub." Public house seems too professional and strict. Just wondering. Simple pub seems simple. 24.9.97.169 ( talk) 20:53, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
This article should really be moved to just "Pub". Public house should redirect to "Pub", not the other way around. 90.184.5.10 ( talk) 22:10, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
It is useful to include the separate statement about Northern Ireland (even without citation): it has not been disputed in the Pubs in Ireland article and is relevant to this article as Northern Ireland is a part of the United Kingdom.-- Felix Folio Secundus ( talk) 05:53, 30 April 2011 (UTC)
This hardly seems enough to introduce readers (who in many cases will not be familiar with the countries where public houses are prevalent) to this complex subject. "In many places the pub is the focal point of the community." hardly provides any information at all since "community" is a term of many different meanings, and many communities exist with no public houses at all.-- Felix Folio Secundus ( talk) 18:50, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
I removed a reference to CAMRA and British Isles as the term "British Isles" can be considered controversial. From what I can see this is a solely UK based organisation and if anyone wants to include the whole of the British Isles they should include a reference to that fact. Bjmullan ( talk) 22:52, 9 October 2011 (UTC)
I think the variety of pub layouts may vary in different regions, or perhaps between towns, and that maybe someone with time on their hands could look into this.
In my hometown, the general trend is between 'bar' and 'lounge'. The distinction was not so much class-based as many of these pubs were frequented almost exclusively by working patrons. Like I say, local factors may predominate, but in my area the historical role of the rooms breaks down like this:
The bar is where the boisterous, male dominated drinking would take place. There was not much in the way of standards in the bar, with conduct being ignored and furniture and decor being somewhat spartan. Smoking in the bar was a given. Many drinkers would stand in the bar rather than sit, and seats would mainly be stools around small round tables, rather than chairs or cushioned benches built around proper tables. A pool or billiards room may be tacked on, or accessed through the bar, or simply amalgamated with it. Darts, dominos or any other pub games (except cards) would take place here.
The lounge is where the more refined drinking took place. Not in any sense a middle-class room as per the descriptions (probably in other areas where the distinctions are different) but more where people could enjoy a quiet drink. The wearing of hats and swearing where often discouraged in the lounge A young man may go out with the blokes from work in the bar, but then a few days later, take his girlfriend for a drink, in which case they would use the lounge. In pubs where children were permitted in certain hours, the lounge was the only room in which they were allowed. Card games tended to be played in the lounge. Many pubs in the area made use of an 'island' counter, where the dividing wall between bar and lounge went through the bar, essentially creating two bars in two rooms, enabling customers from both rooms to access a serving-bar. Older customers would use the lounge, as would couples. Women drinking in the bar was generally seen (in times gone by) as a negative thing.
Obviously I cant just write all that into the article, but maybe if someone in the know has access to sources about the regional variations in the layout of pubs, then they can cite these sources and enrich the content of the article somewhat. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.78.72.153 ( talk) 00:34, 2 May 2012 (UTC)