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Hi @
Artemis Andromeda the name of the faction comes from the Puławska street in Warsaw, not from the town of Puławy :) So the name should be "Puławianie" or in the worse case "Puławska Street Faction"; although I strongly recommend the first one. Can you reverse your move? Cheers
Marcelus (
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13:37, 2 March 2024 (UTC)reply
@
Marcelus: I disagree. Firstly, the opposing fraction is known on English Wikipedia as Natolin faction, not Natolinczycy. Secondly, Puławianie directly translates to "people from Pulawy". Maybe the name was inspired by the street, but grammatically, it cared the meaning of the original namesake. In the city there are actually quite a few things whose name was inspired by Pulawska Street, but with the name grammatically reffering to the original place instea, and this isn't much different.
Artemis Andromeda (
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14:02, 2 March 2024 (UTC)reply
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To understand the title quandary and the article itself, I had to edit the article, which I have done.
It transpired that both the "
Puławy faction" and "
Natolin faction" articles are currently mistitled. The first faction is not named after the city of
Puławy but after
Warsaw's Puławy Street; and the second is not named for Warsaw's
Natolin district but for Natolin Palace.
I therefore recommend that "
Puławy faction" be retitled to "Puławy Street faction"; and "
Natolin faction", to "Natolin Palace faction".
The final paragraph of the "
Puławy faction" article remains incomprehensible to me, so I did not attempt to edit it.
Thank you, I've done my own c/e of the two articles (removing the wiki-invention "natolines" from the other article too). However, no source outside Wikipedia uses the "Puławy Street faction" or "Natolin Palace faction", and per
WP:COMMONNAME and
WP:OR I think we should be careful trying to introduce our own translations. In addition to the terms above, I'll add now "
[1]" (~100 hits). It seems this is the most common translation of this term into English (Puławianie->Puławians). I expect we should likewise rename
Natolin faction to
Natolinians, but we can discuss it at the talk page of that article if anyone wwants. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus|
reply here05:56, 8 March 2024 (UTC)reply
@
Nihil novi, @
Piotrus: "Natolin faction" bother me less, because the palace is still in the Natolin district, and both the district and the palace share the same name, so the name of the faction isn't misleading. Certainly not on the level of "Puławy faction" which denotes completely different place. The popularity of "Puławy faction" in GS surprise me greatly, but still "Puławianie" is much more popular (
125 hits), so maybe we should go with that?
Marcelus (
talk)
08:36, 8 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Relisting comment - @
Marcelus,
Piotrus, and
Nihil novi: I sense that there's almost a consensus to move to
Puławianie here, but would be good if you guys can arrive at a final consensus. Also, should the
Natolin faction article be brought into this discussion too? We can add it as a second part of the move request if required. Cheers —
Amakuru (
talk)
12:31, 12 March 2024 (UTC)reply
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Fresh proposal
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Per above discussion and relisting comment, I'm reopening the proposal with the variants proposed by Piotrus so we can get a clear sense of whether these have consensus. Please indicate if these are supported or not, or suggest other alternatives if desired. —
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Hi @
Artemis Andromeda the name of the faction comes from the Puławska street in Warsaw, not from the town of Puławy :) So the name should be "Puławianie" or in the worse case "Puławska Street Faction"; although I strongly recommend the first one. Can you reverse your move? Cheers
Marcelus (
talk)
13:37, 2 March 2024 (UTC)reply
@
Marcelus: I disagree. Firstly, the opposing fraction is known on English Wikipedia as Natolin faction, not Natolinczycy. Secondly, Puławianie directly translates to "people from Pulawy". Maybe the name was inspired by the street, but grammatically, it cared the meaning of the original namesake. In the city there are actually quite a few things whose name was inspired by Pulawska Street, but with the name grammatically reffering to the original place instea, and this isn't much different.
Artemis Andromeda (
talk)
14:02, 2 March 2024 (UTC)reply
The following is a closed discussion of a
requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a
move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
To understand the title quandary and the article itself, I had to edit the article, which I have done.
It transpired that both the "
Puławy faction" and "
Natolin faction" articles are currently mistitled. The first faction is not named after the city of
Puławy but after
Warsaw's Puławy Street; and the second is not named for Warsaw's
Natolin district but for Natolin Palace.
I therefore recommend that "
Puławy faction" be retitled to "Puławy Street faction"; and "
Natolin faction", to "Natolin Palace faction".
The final paragraph of the "
Puławy faction" article remains incomprehensible to me, so I did not attempt to edit it.
Thank you, I've done my own c/e of the two articles (removing the wiki-invention "natolines" from the other article too). However, no source outside Wikipedia uses the "Puławy Street faction" or "Natolin Palace faction", and per
WP:COMMONNAME and
WP:OR I think we should be careful trying to introduce our own translations. In addition to the terms above, I'll add now "
[1]" (~100 hits). It seems this is the most common translation of this term into English (Puławianie->Puławians). I expect we should likewise rename
Natolin faction to
Natolinians, but we can discuss it at the talk page of that article if anyone wwants. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus|
reply here05:56, 8 March 2024 (UTC)reply
@
Nihil novi, @
Piotrus: "Natolin faction" bother me less, because the palace is still in the Natolin district, and both the district and the palace share the same name, so the name of the faction isn't misleading. Certainly not on the level of "Puławy faction" which denotes completely different place. The popularity of "Puławy faction" in GS surprise me greatly, but still "Puławianie" is much more popular (
125 hits), so maybe we should go with that?
Marcelus (
talk)
08:36, 8 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Relisting comment - @
Marcelus,
Piotrus, and
Nihil novi: I sense that there's almost a consensus to move to
Puławianie here, but would be good if you guys can arrive at a final consensus. Also, should the
Natolin faction article be brought into this discussion too? We can add it as a second part of the move request if required. Cheers —
Amakuru (
talk)
12:31, 12 March 2024 (UTC)reply
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Fresh proposal
The following is a closed discussion of a
requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a
move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Per above discussion and relisting comment, I'm reopening the proposal with the variants proposed by Piotrus so we can get a clear sense of whether these have consensus. Please indicate if these are supported or not, or suggest other alternatives if desired. —
Amakuru (
talk)
15:35, 12 March 2024 (UTC)reply
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.