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OK, I have a thought. Let us work out a text on the talk page for the article. We need sources that use the term. (This will avoid OR). Here is a proposed outline, skeletal as it is..
1. Intro, Lieblinz coining the term and some secondary sources on what that meant 2. Early importance in psych re: mind body problem (which is now pretty much historical, the mind body thing isnot really much of a question any more in psych) Perhaps sort of disambiguating it with psychophysics. 3. Recent stuff, from secondary sources.
This will make it more like an encyclopedia article and less like a definition in a dictionary. What say you Shimon? Dbrodbeck ( talk) 02:26, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
You can help in adding sources and seferences to or from the different disciplines on which, Psychophysical Parallelism reflects.
Please add sources and references at the bottom. [1]
Vandalism? How would such a reversion be vandalism. Psychophysics is studied by psychologists? Dbrodbeck ( talk) 05:23, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
Added "physics" and "science" (see stub). Do psychologists believe that they are the Only, or the Most Important school of knowledge ?
Quote: " The term Psychophysical was first introduced by
Gottfried Wilhelm Leibniz, who discussed "Psychophysical
Parallelism" in his book "La Monadologie" (
Monadology)
[2], published in 1714."
Gottfried Wilhelm Leibniz was one of the most prominent mathematicians, physicists and philosophers of all times.
He coined this concept in 1714, ages before either Sigmund Freud, or psychology ever existed.
-- Shimon Yanowitz ( talk) 06:01, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
Dear Dbrodbeck: How lucky we are that this is NOT about the Paradox, then, or is it?
Note: the article about the Paradox was deleted, but the article about Parallelism was NOT, or was it?
Now, as I have repeatedly reiterated:
Psychophysical Parallelism was first introduced by Gottfried Wilhelm Leibniz, who discussed Psychophysical Parallelism" in his book "La Monadologie" ( Monadology) [2], published in 1714, although he worked on this subject since circa 1680 (meaning, late 17th Century).
To be crystal clear: This concept existed ages before psychology was even born! Do we agree on that?
Gottfried Wilhelm Leibniz was one of the most prominent mathematicians, physicists and philosophers of all times. His approach to "Psychophisical Parallelism" was from the viewpoint of philosophy (i.e. " psyche") and physics (i.e. " physical").
he referred to Parallelism as in mathematics and geometry, meaning - two distinct straight lines which can strech to infinity, without ever connecting.
Now: Hijacking of this article to psychology exclusively, shall constitute, and be treated as, an act of vandalism !
To address your Concern, I will mention in the article that an opinion was expressed by a psychologist, that this subject is more important in the context of psychology than in any other context. However, a contradictory opinion was expressed by a scientist of the same disciplines of Leibniz himself.
-- 93.172.67.108 ( talk) 15:21, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
I am not entirely sure scholaring is a word... Anyway, http://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=%22psychophysical+parallelism%22&hl=en&lr=&client=safari&start=20&sa=N seems to show that the topic is in the domain of psychology and philosophy, particularly, it is about the mind body problem. Physics, seems absent, but, perhaps I have missed something. I hope this helps. Dbrodbeck ( talk) 16:14, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
I'm going to give this one more try. Shimon, Wikipedia is not the place for original thinking, no matter how brilliant and insightful it is. The reason I'm being so unyielding is because you've convinced me that the only thing you really care about here is getting your own ideas into the article. That isn't going to happen. If I see any sign that you're giving up on getting your own unsourced original material into the article, I'll become much more open to cooperating with you. If you think Dbrodbeck or anybody else feels differently about this, I believe you are mistaken. Looie496 ( talk) 15:27, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
I added another reference to the article today. Trilobitealive ( talk) 01:31, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
What? Are no explanations statements? And vice versa? What do you want? The doctrine in question certainly doesn't EXCLUDE an explanation of the phenomenon in question. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 169.231.34.232 ( talk) 09:15, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
I do not know what psychophysical parallelism is. I came here following a link on another page. I read the intro paragraph. I do not know what it means. I tried to parse it apart... I find it impenetrable. It seems to say that things happen to your body and your mind doesn't ever react to those things. If your mind is reacting to something, it's some separate event that happens to the mind that just happens to correlate in time to what happened to the body. Since that's clearly nonsense -- we would have no awareness of body at all under that -- I'm pretty sure I'm not understanding something. Please clarify. AristosM ( talk) 05:24, 1 October 2018 (UTC)
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OK, I have a thought. Let us work out a text on the talk page for the article. We need sources that use the term. (This will avoid OR). Here is a proposed outline, skeletal as it is..
1. Intro, Lieblinz coining the term and some secondary sources on what that meant 2. Early importance in psych re: mind body problem (which is now pretty much historical, the mind body thing isnot really much of a question any more in psych) Perhaps sort of disambiguating it with psychophysics. 3. Recent stuff, from secondary sources.
This will make it more like an encyclopedia article and less like a definition in a dictionary. What say you Shimon? Dbrodbeck ( talk) 02:26, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
You can help in adding sources and seferences to or from the different disciplines on which, Psychophysical Parallelism reflects.
Please add sources and references at the bottom. [1]
Vandalism? How would such a reversion be vandalism. Psychophysics is studied by psychologists? Dbrodbeck ( talk) 05:23, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
Added "physics" and "science" (see stub). Do psychologists believe that they are the Only, or the Most Important school of knowledge ?
Quote: " The term Psychophysical was first introduced by
Gottfried Wilhelm Leibniz, who discussed "Psychophysical
Parallelism" in his book "La Monadologie" (
Monadology)
[2], published in 1714."
Gottfried Wilhelm Leibniz was one of the most prominent mathematicians, physicists and philosophers of all times.
He coined this concept in 1714, ages before either Sigmund Freud, or psychology ever existed.
-- Shimon Yanowitz ( talk) 06:01, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
Dear Dbrodbeck: How lucky we are that this is NOT about the Paradox, then, or is it?
Note: the article about the Paradox was deleted, but the article about Parallelism was NOT, or was it?
Now, as I have repeatedly reiterated:
Psychophysical Parallelism was first introduced by Gottfried Wilhelm Leibniz, who discussed Psychophysical Parallelism" in his book "La Monadologie" ( Monadology) [2], published in 1714, although he worked on this subject since circa 1680 (meaning, late 17th Century).
To be crystal clear: This concept existed ages before psychology was even born! Do we agree on that?
Gottfried Wilhelm Leibniz was one of the most prominent mathematicians, physicists and philosophers of all times. His approach to "Psychophisical Parallelism" was from the viewpoint of philosophy (i.e. " psyche") and physics (i.e. " physical").
he referred to Parallelism as in mathematics and geometry, meaning - two distinct straight lines which can strech to infinity, without ever connecting.
Now: Hijacking of this article to psychology exclusively, shall constitute, and be treated as, an act of vandalism !
To address your Concern, I will mention in the article that an opinion was expressed by a psychologist, that this subject is more important in the context of psychology than in any other context. However, a contradictory opinion was expressed by a scientist of the same disciplines of Leibniz himself.
-- 93.172.67.108 ( talk) 15:21, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
I am not entirely sure scholaring is a word... Anyway, http://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=%22psychophysical+parallelism%22&hl=en&lr=&client=safari&start=20&sa=N seems to show that the topic is in the domain of psychology and philosophy, particularly, it is about the mind body problem. Physics, seems absent, but, perhaps I have missed something. I hope this helps. Dbrodbeck ( talk) 16:14, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
I'm going to give this one more try. Shimon, Wikipedia is not the place for original thinking, no matter how brilliant and insightful it is. The reason I'm being so unyielding is because you've convinced me that the only thing you really care about here is getting your own ideas into the article. That isn't going to happen. If I see any sign that you're giving up on getting your own unsourced original material into the article, I'll become much more open to cooperating with you. If you think Dbrodbeck or anybody else feels differently about this, I believe you are mistaken. Looie496 ( talk) 15:27, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
I added another reference to the article today. Trilobitealive ( talk) 01:31, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
What? Are no explanations statements? And vice versa? What do you want? The doctrine in question certainly doesn't EXCLUDE an explanation of the phenomenon in question. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 169.231.34.232 ( talk) 09:15, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
I do not know what psychophysical parallelism is. I came here following a link on another page. I read the intro paragraph. I do not know what it means. I tried to parse it apart... I find it impenetrable. It seems to say that things happen to your body and your mind doesn't ever react to those things. If your mind is reacting to something, it's some separate event that happens to the mind that just happens to correlate in time to what happened to the body. Since that's clearly nonsense -- we would have no awareness of body at all under that -- I'm pretty sure I'm not understanding something. Please clarify. AristosM ( talk) 05:24, 1 October 2018 (UTC)
This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 22 August 2022 and 10 December 2022. Further details are available
on the course page. Student editor(s):
YouMustafa,
AlmaAb11,
User2242557 (
article contribs). Peer reviewers:
Eriix06,
Santiago 823724,
Leo irineo,
A1c23,
Koada21.
— Assignment last updated by Koada21 ( talk) 02:00, 28 October 2022 (UTC)
This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 22 August 2022 and 10 December 2022. Further details are available
on the course page. Student editor(s):
James-Matthew Donovan (
article contribs).
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