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This 'article' is promotional pap, and not even remotely compliant with Wikipedia policy. If people want to advertise, they should do it elsewhere. AndyTheGrump ( talk) 22:09, 14 November 2022 (UTC)
User:AndyTheGrump has significant issues with the layout and content of this page, due to biases ( WP:BIAS) about the product. Tbf69! 17:08, 19 December 2022 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tbf69 ( talk • contribs)
What are the sources that establish this product as independently notable? It seems like it should be a small mention on the Logan Paul and/or KSI article. Barnards.tar.gz ( talk) 13:59, 22 December 2022 (UTC)
I would argue yes, but I'm happy to change my mind if others know better. Tbf69 19:10, 22 December 2022 (UTC)
Renaming an article that is being actively edited by multiple people may be seen as disruptive. And I note that the justification given for the recent change (Given there is evidence the company is due to launch non-sports drinks in the future (energy drinks), this title fits better
[1]) is unsupported by any source either in the article, or on this talk page.
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The nomination for a this award, from YouTube, is sourced to YouTube's own website. Clearly YouTube isn't an independent source for this since they are awarding content they host, and unless one can be found, I can see no reason why the article should mention the nomination at all. AndyTheGrump ( talk) 14:39, 4 January 2023 (UTC)
I would argue a criticism or controversy section to make the article balanced and neutral ( WP:NPOV), considering there have been several objective issues with the product.
Examples:
Tbf69 21:06, 4 January 2023 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved. Consensus is that the reliable sourcing focuses on the drink and not the brand, and the article should reflect the same. Whether the article is taken to AfD or not is outside of this discussion ( closed by non-admin page mover) The Night Watch (talk) 16:49, 13 January 2023 (UTC)
Prime (beverage brand) → Prime (drink) – Simpler disambiguation. Also matches other pages such as Battery (drink), Boost (drink), NOS (drink), Rio (drink), Sprite (drink). Sahaib ( talk) 12:58, 5 January 2023 (UTC)
There are several glaring issues of the page, including (but not limited to) debates around notability, sources, conflicts of interests, neutrality as well as apparent edit warring.
Therefore I am opening a RfC on the article as a whole.
Please discuss over there. Tbf69 17:42, 5 January 2023 (UTC)
Rather than edit-war over the quote, we should be discussing it here. The disputed sentence:
Mary McCarthy of The Independent said that KSI and Logan Paul were "monetising misogyny" and criticized them for the amount of influence they had on young boys.
Source (archived, non-paywall) [13].
Given that topic notability is established through independent commentary, and McCarthy's comments are one of the few such sources we cite, I think it appropriate to use it. I do however understand why some people may find this problematic, as it currently stands. We don't explain why McCarthy thinks misogyny is relevant, making it seem something of a non-sequitur. What we need to do, in my opinion, is give more context, and summarise what McCarthy is actually criticising: what she regards as a "cynical branded content deal" between social media influencers she sees as misogynist and having negative influence on their target audience - adolescent boys - and a "drinks empire making millions" aiming at the same audience. This is a critique of marketing, as well as misogyny, and given that the marketing hype seems to have attracted more comment than the merits of the drink itself, legitimate attributed commentary in an article. What do other contributors think? AndyTheGrump ( talk) 15:32, 19 January 2023 (UTC)
This section [14] consists of nothing beyond the routine reporting of commercial sponsorship arrangements of the kind engaged in to promote consumer products everywhere. No third-party analysis or commentary. Nothing to indicate that such sponsorship deals have any significance. It looks very much like fluff padding to me, and entirely undue, particularly when the article has so little to say about the supposed subject itself. I removed the section, but since it has since been restored we clearly need to discuss the matter. Can anyone point out relevant policy that suggests we dedicate a significant proportion of an article to reporting run-of-the-mill marketing deals? AndyTheGrump ( talk) 17:55, 4 February 2023 (UTC)
I attempted to add a reference to the Super Bowl commercial, but it was removed. I may have not provided the best sources, but I believe that it's notable to include. Very few companies have a Super Bowl AD within the first year of its establishment. Since I don't want to commit a double revert, I found some more sources - including The Wall Street Journal - "YouTube Stars Run Ad for Sports Drink Prime", and also some criticism as noted by The Daily Meal and Mashed. Yoshiman6464 ♫🥚 05:02, 13 February 2023 (UTC)
Says that it is sweetened with aspartame, which is untrue. The source link had corrected itself as well. 172.83.131.32 ( talk) 15:49, 17 February 2023 (UTC)
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The reference to no added Caffeine is incredibly misleading and needs to be fixed ASAP as could be considered as dangerous misinformation and constitute a health risk..
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The manufacturers also state that it has zero added sugar or caffeine and has around 20 calories per bottle.
WITH THIS TEXT The manufacturers also state that it has zero added sugar and contains 200mg of caffeine, per 12 oz. can. PRIME Energy is not recommended for children under the age of 18, women who are pregnant or nursing or individuals who are sensitive to caffeine
Reference NOte: Reference from manufactures website: https://drinkprime.com/pages/faq#:~:text=PRIME%20Energy%20contains%20200mg%20of,Hydration%2B%20Sticks%20are%20caffeine%2Dfree. Jamestas ( talk) 03:49, 29 March 2023 (UTC)
ABC Australia are reporting that highly-caffeinated 'energy' Prime is being banned from Australian schools. [15]. I'm inclined to think this merits inclusion in the article. Any comments, before I add it? AndyTheGrump ( talk) 14:57, 29 March 2023 (UTC)
The drink is not allowed to be sold in Denmark per [16]. Not sure if notable - if it is someone can add it to the article. Semsûrî ( talk) 11:12, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
@ Squared.Circle.Boxing: I contest your removal of this information ( diff) which is some of the most important pieces of information in this article. Prime is what it is because of Paul and KSI, so it's natural that basic information about who they are needs to be given to the reader immediately (in the lead). Duly prominent. If you're insistent on removal, I'd like to see what other editors have to say. — Alalch E. 09:11, 20 April 2023 (UTC)
some of the most important pieces of information in this article, so isn't appropriate for the lead. Their involvement is, their amount of fans isn't. I also think it reads like a promotional blurb I'd expect to see in a magazine, not an encyclopaedia. I doubt people will read this article and think, 'why doesn't it tell me where the YouTubers are from or how many followers they have?' People expect such details in a biography. – 2. O. Boxing 11:30, 20 April 2023 (UTC)
The brand is promoted and partially owned by Logan Paul and KSI.I can tell you what the reader wanted to know: Who is Logan Paul and what is KSI? (Not even who is KSI, but what it is, as it had not been made clear that KSI is even a person, it might very well be a company or some other entity.) The second thing I wanted to know is: why does it matter who promoted it, every product is promoted by something or someone — what is the dueness of these names? Then I researched the topic and understood: These are YouTubers, but not just any YouTubers; they are mentioned in the lead because the whole concept of the product is based on them being the promoters. The product is a notable product because of who these promoters are: very famous social media personalities and influencers (yes I actually use that word; it's a 21st century reality that it has a distinct and clear meaning ... even if it's a sad reality). They have tens of millions of followers, and for this reason they were able to hype the product leading, down the line, to coverage in secondary sources, which is why we have the article about this. Per MOS:LEAD, the notability of the article's subject is usually established in the first few sentences. Paul is from the US and KSI is from the UK. The product is sold and marketed primarily in the UK and the US. Financial Times starts its analysis with: "Dawn queues, carnage and price gouging. Reaction has been extreme since the release of Prime, the brightly-packaged flavoured drink launched by KSI, a British influencer, and his US counterpart and sometime boxing rival, Logan Paul." I don't want to go overlong, so I'll make a break here.— Alalch E. 17:14, 20 April 2023 (UTC)
ON the 1st of May 2023 Prime made the biggest arrival in South Africa at Checkers with the price of R40. This arrival really had everybody excited from the ages of 7 and above all were excited. Checkers made an enormous income with consumers purchasing this product. In SA Prime came in with 4 out of 9 flavours: Lemon and lime, Raspberries, Tropical and Icepop Lihlekay ( talk) 17:20, 3 May 2023 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: not moved. ( non-admin closure) :3 F4U ( they /it) 08:23, 11 July 2023 (UTC)
Prime (drink) → Prime Hydration LLC – Per WP:NATDAB. You can see it's the name of the company on the bottom of the website. 90.255.6.219 ( talk) 09:52, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
especially because Logan advertised it and made kids and teens love it but it says its not made for children and many people say its bad for children's health. i dont know 2001:1970:55E8:7F00:3C5C:3526:9109:7C49 ( talk) 02:30, 6 July 2023 (UTC)
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Despacito 29 ( talk) 04:54, 29 September 2023 (UTC)
I just want to change the flavours their is ultra rare Glowberry and wwe prime that is rare
Hi, I made a few changes to the page which I think are important to list and keep note of as they were the new brand sponsors (FC Barcelona, Dodgers etc.), the Prime athletes (such as adesanya, haaland etc.) and the flavours and when they were released just to keep a bit of info about the products and when they were released. I understand writing wise they may not be 100% great but these can be changed by anyone at any time and updated to fit the wiki criteria better but they keep being removed for senseless and quite frankly silly reasons by another individual. Spooderman6920 ( talk) 18:27, 2 October 2023 (UTC)
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prime is also official partners with Barcelona and bayren munich football club 49.36.233.143 ( talk) 17:33, 21 October 2023 (UTC)
Basically, for those who don't know, Prime announced a new product, Prime Hydration+ Powder, which comes in a 5-gallon tub. Should we find a way to talk about the new product in the article? Or should we skip it all entirely?
- The Master of Hedgehogs (always up for a conversation!) 17:04, 10 November 2023 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Not moved ( non-admin closure) BegbertBiggs ( talk) 22:19, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
Prime (drink) →
Prime (beverage) – I dont want the word “drink” to be confused with the verb drink
قطة ذات عيون كبيرة (
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21:51, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
Not mentioned within Prime article - Prime hosted a $1 million contest to whoever discovered the Gold prime bottle. Think it should be included? [1] [2] BeFriendlyGoodSir ( talk) 03:13, 23 December 2023 (UTC)
References
On December 20, 2023, South Park released Not Suitable for Children, an episode about a drink named Cred, a parody of Prime. User:Rockchalk717 reverted this twice and said "South Park is a parody and pop culture reference, it's not advertising, it's not publicity, it's just a parody", so I will not add again. I believe this significant event should be on the Wikipedia page? The other editors shall determine this. Another section can always be added that is appropriate for the topic. All the best, BeFriendlyGoodSir ( talk) 00:33, 23 December 2023 (UTC)
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So, we are concerned that Prime bottles might contain 'forever chemicals' and if this is true that it does, are we going to put on controversies for the plastics? This is an open discussion for now until the controversy is resolved. Resolvelution Tension ( talk) 17:22, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
can something be added to show that is now being sold in Canada and it uses the same formula that they have in the UK with 140mg of caffeine
when the recall happened it wasn't really officially being sold there but lots of smaller independent stores were importing cans from the states and it got recalled a long with a bunch of energy drinks that were not supposed to be getting sold in Canada because of the amount of caffeine in them https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/14/health/canada-energy-drink-recall/index.html
cant find any articles about the energy cans but every 7/11 circle k and costco has them and its also listed on costco.ca and if you search for locations in canada right here https://drinkprime.com/pages/where-to-buy they show up Mike10dude ( talk) 04:49, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
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This 'article' is promotional pap, and not even remotely compliant with Wikipedia policy. If people want to advertise, they should do it elsewhere. AndyTheGrump ( talk) 22:09, 14 November 2022 (UTC)
User:AndyTheGrump has significant issues with the layout and content of this page, due to biases ( WP:BIAS) about the product. Tbf69! 17:08, 19 December 2022 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tbf69 ( talk • contribs)
What are the sources that establish this product as independently notable? It seems like it should be a small mention on the Logan Paul and/or KSI article. Barnards.tar.gz ( talk) 13:59, 22 December 2022 (UTC)
I would argue yes, but I'm happy to change my mind if others know better. Tbf69 19:10, 22 December 2022 (UTC)
Renaming an article that is being actively edited by multiple people may be seen as disruptive. And I note that the justification given for the recent change (Given there is evidence the company is due to launch non-sports drinks in the future (energy drinks), this title fits better
[1]) is unsupported by any source either in the article, or on this talk page.
AndyTheGrump (
talk)
19:23, 22 December 2022 (UTC)
The nomination for a this award, from YouTube, is sourced to YouTube's own website. Clearly YouTube isn't an independent source for this since they are awarding content they host, and unless one can be found, I can see no reason why the article should mention the nomination at all. AndyTheGrump ( talk) 14:39, 4 January 2023 (UTC)
I would argue a criticism or controversy section to make the article balanced and neutral ( WP:NPOV), considering there have been several objective issues with the product.
Examples:
Tbf69 21:06, 4 January 2023 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved. Consensus is that the reliable sourcing focuses on the drink and not the brand, and the article should reflect the same. Whether the article is taken to AfD or not is outside of this discussion ( closed by non-admin page mover) The Night Watch (talk) 16:49, 13 January 2023 (UTC)
Prime (beverage brand) → Prime (drink) – Simpler disambiguation. Also matches other pages such as Battery (drink), Boost (drink), NOS (drink), Rio (drink), Sprite (drink). Sahaib ( talk) 12:58, 5 January 2023 (UTC)
There are several glaring issues of the page, including (but not limited to) debates around notability, sources, conflicts of interests, neutrality as well as apparent edit warring.
Therefore I am opening a RfC on the article as a whole.
Please discuss over there. Tbf69 17:42, 5 January 2023 (UTC)
Rather than edit-war over the quote, we should be discussing it here. The disputed sentence:
Mary McCarthy of The Independent said that KSI and Logan Paul were "monetising misogyny" and criticized them for the amount of influence they had on young boys.
Source (archived, non-paywall) [13].
Given that topic notability is established through independent commentary, and McCarthy's comments are one of the few such sources we cite, I think it appropriate to use it. I do however understand why some people may find this problematic, as it currently stands. We don't explain why McCarthy thinks misogyny is relevant, making it seem something of a non-sequitur. What we need to do, in my opinion, is give more context, and summarise what McCarthy is actually criticising: what she regards as a "cynical branded content deal" between social media influencers she sees as misogynist and having negative influence on their target audience - adolescent boys - and a "drinks empire making millions" aiming at the same audience. This is a critique of marketing, as well as misogyny, and given that the marketing hype seems to have attracted more comment than the merits of the drink itself, legitimate attributed commentary in an article. What do other contributors think? AndyTheGrump ( talk) 15:32, 19 January 2023 (UTC)
This section [14] consists of nothing beyond the routine reporting of commercial sponsorship arrangements of the kind engaged in to promote consumer products everywhere. No third-party analysis or commentary. Nothing to indicate that such sponsorship deals have any significance. It looks very much like fluff padding to me, and entirely undue, particularly when the article has so little to say about the supposed subject itself. I removed the section, but since it has since been restored we clearly need to discuss the matter. Can anyone point out relevant policy that suggests we dedicate a significant proportion of an article to reporting run-of-the-mill marketing deals? AndyTheGrump ( talk) 17:55, 4 February 2023 (UTC)
I attempted to add a reference to the Super Bowl commercial, but it was removed. I may have not provided the best sources, but I believe that it's notable to include. Very few companies have a Super Bowl AD within the first year of its establishment. Since I don't want to commit a double revert, I found some more sources - including The Wall Street Journal - "YouTube Stars Run Ad for Sports Drink Prime", and also some criticism as noted by The Daily Meal and Mashed. Yoshiman6464 ♫🥚 05:02, 13 February 2023 (UTC)
Says that it is sweetened with aspartame, which is untrue. The source link had corrected itself as well. 172.83.131.32 ( talk) 15:49, 17 February 2023 (UTC)
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The reference to no added Caffeine is incredibly misleading and needs to be fixed ASAP as could be considered as dangerous misinformation and constitute a health risk..
REPLACE THIS TEXT
The manufacturers also state that it has zero added sugar or caffeine and has around 20 calories per bottle.
WITH THIS TEXT The manufacturers also state that it has zero added sugar and contains 200mg of caffeine, per 12 oz. can. PRIME Energy is not recommended for children under the age of 18, women who are pregnant or nursing or individuals who are sensitive to caffeine
Reference NOte: Reference from manufactures website: https://drinkprime.com/pages/faq#:~:text=PRIME%20Energy%20contains%20200mg%20of,Hydration%2B%20Sticks%20are%20caffeine%2Dfree. Jamestas ( talk) 03:49, 29 March 2023 (UTC)
ABC Australia are reporting that highly-caffeinated 'energy' Prime is being banned from Australian schools. [15]. I'm inclined to think this merits inclusion in the article. Any comments, before I add it? AndyTheGrump ( talk) 14:57, 29 March 2023 (UTC)
The drink is not allowed to be sold in Denmark per [16]. Not sure if notable - if it is someone can add it to the article. Semsûrî ( talk) 11:12, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
@ Squared.Circle.Boxing: I contest your removal of this information ( diff) which is some of the most important pieces of information in this article. Prime is what it is because of Paul and KSI, so it's natural that basic information about who they are needs to be given to the reader immediately (in the lead). Duly prominent. If you're insistent on removal, I'd like to see what other editors have to say. — Alalch E. 09:11, 20 April 2023 (UTC)
some of the most important pieces of information in this article, so isn't appropriate for the lead. Their involvement is, their amount of fans isn't. I also think it reads like a promotional blurb I'd expect to see in a magazine, not an encyclopaedia. I doubt people will read this article and think, 'why doesn't it tell me where the YouTubers are from or how many followers they have?' People expect such details in a biography. – 2. O. Boxing 11:30, 20 April 2023 (UTC)
The brand is promoted and partially owned by Logan Paul and KSI.I can tell you what the reader wanted to know: Who is Logan Paul and what is KSI? (Not even who is KSI, but what it is, as it had not been made clear that KSI is even a person, it might very well be a company or some other entity.) The second thing I wanted to know is: why does it matter who promoted it, every product is promoted by something or someone — what is the dueness of these names? Then I researched the topic and understood: These are YouTubers, but not just any YouTubers; they are mentioned in the lead because the whole concept of the product is based on them being the promoters. The product is a notable product because of who these promoters are: very famous social media personalities and influencers (yes I actually use that word; it's a 21st century reality that it has a distinct and clear meaning ... even if it's a sad reality). They have tens of millions of followers, and for this reason they were able to hype the product leading, down the line, to coverage in secondary sources, which is why we have the article about this. Per MOS:LEAD, the notability of the article's subject is usually established in the first few sentences. Paul is from the US and KSI is from the UK. The product is sold and marketed primarily in the UK and the US. Financial Times starts its analysis with: "Dawn queues, carnage and price gouging. Reaction has been extreme since the release of Prime, the brightly-packaged flavoured drink launched by KSI, a British influencer, and his US counterpart and sometime boxing rival, Logan Paul." I don't want to go overlong, so I'll make a break here.— Alalch E. 17:14, 20 April 2023 (UTC)
ON the 1st of May 2023 Prime made the biggest arrival in South Africa at Checkers with the price of R40. This arrival really had everybody excited from the ages of 7 and above all were excited. Checkers made an enormous income with consumers purchasing this product. In SA Prime came in with 4 out of 9 flavours: Lemon and lime, Raspberries, Tropical and Icepop Lihlekay ( talk) 17:20, 3 May 2023 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: not moved. ( non-admin closure) :3 F4U ( they /it) 08:23, 11 July 2023 (UTC)
Prime (drink) → Prime Hydration LLC – Per WP:NATDAB. You can see it's the name of the company on the bottom of the website. 90.255.6.219 ( talk) 09:52, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
especially because Logan advertised it and made kids and teens love it but it says its not made for children and many people say its bad for children's health. i dont know 2001:1970:55E8:7F00:3C5C:3526:9109:7C49 ( talk) 02:30, 6 July 2023 (UTC)
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Despacito 29 ( talk) 04:54, 29 September 2023 (UTC)
I just want to change the flavours their is ultra rare Glowberry and wwe prime that is rare
Hi, I made a few changes to the page which I think are important to list and keep note of as they were the new brand sponsors (FC Barcelona, Dodgers etc.), the Prime athletes (such as adesanya, haaland etc.) and the flavours and when they were released just to keep a bit of info about the products and when they were released. I understand writing wise they may not be 100% great but these can be changed by anyone at any time and updated to fit the wiki criteria better but they keep being removed for senseless and quite frankly silly reasons by another individual. Spooderman6920 ( talk) 18:27, 2 October 2023 (UTC)
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prime is also official partners with Barcelona and bayren munich football club 49.36.233.143 ( talk) 17:33, 21 October 2023 (UTC)
Basically, for those who don't know, Prime announced a new product, Prime Hydration+ Powder, which comes in a 5-gallon tub. Should we find a way to talk about the new product in the article? Or should we skip it all entirely?
- The Master of Hedgehogs (always up for a conversation!) 17:04, 10 November 2023 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Not moved ( non-admin closure) BegbertBiggs ( talk) 22:19, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
Prime (drink) →
Prime (beverage) – I dont want the word “drink” to be confused with the verb drink
قطة ذات عيون كبيرة (
talk)
21:51, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
Not mentioned within Prime article - Prime hosted a $1 million contest to whoever discovered the Gold prime bottle. Think it should be included? [1] [2] BeFriendlyGoodSir ( talk) 03:13, 23 December 2023 (UTC)
References
On December 20, 2023, South Park released Not Suitable for Children, an episode about a drink named Cred, a parody of Prime. User:Rockchalk717 reverted this twice and said "South Park is a parody and pop culture reference, it's not advertising, it's not publicity, it's just a parody", so I will not add again. I believe this significant event should be on the Wikipedia page? The other editors shall determine this. Another section can always be added that is appropriate for the topic. All the best, BeFriendlyGoodSir ( talk) 00:33, 23 December 2023 (UTC)
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So, we are concerned that Prime bottles might contain 'forever chemicals' and if this is true that it does, are we going to put on controversies for the plastics? This is an open discussion for now until the controversy is resolved. Resolvelution Tension ( talk) 17:22, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
can something be added to show that is now being sold in Canada and it uses the same formula that they have in the UK with 140mg of caffeine
when the recall happened it wasn't really officially being sold there but lots of smaller independent stores were importing cans from the states and it got recalled a long with a bunch of energy drinks that were not supposed to be getting sold in Canada because of the amount of caffeine in them https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/14/health/canada-energy-drink-recall/index.html
cant find any articles about the energy cans but every 7/11 circle k and costco has them and its also listed on costco.ca and if you search for locations in canada right here https://drinkprime.com/pages/where-to-buy they show up Mike10dude ( talk) 04:49, 21 June 2024 (UTC)