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The wording on this is vague, at time of wring (June 2014) it says the Arsensal LFC are affiliated to the Arsenal. The exact nature of the relationship is not explained. Is it in fact one Club as Arsenal, and Aresenal LFC is simply the Ladies team?
The kit seems identical, using the same logos and sponsors- which suggests either a strong legal relationship, or that it's simply part of the same club, (a bit like Cardiff RFC, which is not really a separate club, but simply the Rugby Section of of Cardiff Athletic Club- which also has other sports teams, e.g. bowls, cricket etc).
The fact that the article explains there's an overlap of directorships between the Men's and Ladies Clubs suggests that the Ladies Club is subsidiary company? (Is part of the job of the men's Arsenal team Cheif Exeutive to be the Chairman of the Ladies Club?) Or is the "affiliation" relationship more akin to the relationships you see between firms using the same brand in Japan say?
Clearly the casual observer would assume given the logo is the same etc that the Aresenal LFC is simply the Ladies team of the same club. (Akin to say most golf clubs almost all of whom have Gentlemen's and Ladies teams, but there is no question of them being separate clubs- generally speaking). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 149.254.218.39 ( talk) 22:15, 1 June 2014 (UTC)
In 2014 and 9 years later in 2023, this comment is absolutely incorrect and undeserving of a place in "active discussions". The men's and women's teams of Arsenal Football Club have been a part of Arsenal FC since the inception of the women's team. The women's team is not a separate entity from either a legal perspective or a practical one. From a legal, financial, and practical perspective these are two teams in the same club.
If this poster were correct, then it would similarly be appropriate to label the men's U-23, U-21, U-19, U-17, etc. teams as not being a part of Arsenal FC.
This "discussion" topic is clearly the result of a misogynist who feels the need to isolate the women as "something else" despite the pride of players who grew up playing in Arsenal FC's academy as members of the club since childhood. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 8.9.85.41 ( talk) 21:30, 26 January 2023 (UTC)
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The Rationale of the logo specifically states the following
The image is placed in the infobox at the top of the article discussing Arsenal F.C., a subject of public interest. The significance of the logo is to help the reader identify the organization, assure the readers that they have reached the right article containing critical commentary about the organization, and illustrate the organization's intended branding message in a way that words alone could not convey. There is commentary in the article about the logo itself as follows: "Logo of Arsenal Football Club and Arsenal Ladies Football Club, used to illustrate the teams in articles about them and the teams that they field."
This therefore covers the use of the logo in this article. 31.127.133.203 ( talk) 07:31, 10 May 2019 (UTC)
The sentence "Based on social media activity from the 2018–19 season, Arsenal's fanbase is the largest in the world." recently added to the lede seems to be quite an exceptional claim to make and surely something that requires something more than a citation to the team's Twitter account (i.e. a primary source). Are there any secondary and independent sources which support such a claim? If there are they perhaps the content can be moved to the body of article and expanded upon, and even attributed as needed; for example, "According to FIFA, ...", "According to ABC soccer magazine", "According to ABC newspaper", "According to Twitter statistics, ...", etc. The team's Twitter page is not really published by "Twitter" so to speak in that nobody at Twitter verifies the what the team tweets; so, basically all editorial control over the account rests with the team itself. If the team tweeted out something that some other reliable source stated, then it would be better to actually cite that source than a tweet per WP:SPS and WP:UGC; if the team is making a claim that cannot be verified by a secondary source, then the claim should be removed. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 13:53, 10 June 2019 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: not moved. Clear consensus against a mass move per WP:TRAINWRECK. This close does not preclude individual renomination. ( closed by non-admin page mover) Elli ( talk | contribs) 14:03, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
– It appears on a football discussion page that the abbreviation “W.F.C.” needs to be expanded a bit, either with or without brackets. 46.149.249.106 ( talk) 11:21, 15 November 2021 (UTC) 46.149.249.106 ( talk) 11:21, 15 November 2021 (UTC)
Support per discussion at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject Football, either with or without brackets. W.F.C. could stand for other things such as some entries listed on WFC. Iggy ( Swan) ( Contribs) 21:30, 15 November 2021 (UTC)
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The wording on this is vague, at time of wring (June 2014) it says the Arsensal LFC are affiliated to the Arsenal. The exact nature of the relationship is not explained. Is it in fact one Club as Arsenal, and Aresenal LFC is simply the Ladies team?
The kit seems identical, using the same logos and sponsors- which suggests either a strong legal relationship, or that it's simply part of the same club, (a bit like Cardiff RFC, which is not really a separate club, but simply the Rugby Section of of Cardiff Athletic Club- which also has other sports teams, e.g. bowls, cricket etc).
The fact that the article explains there's an overlap of directorships between the Men's and Ladies Clubs suggests that the Ladies Club is subsidiary company? (Is part of the job of the men's Arsenal team Cheif Exeutive to be the Chairman of the Ladies Club?) Or is the "affiliation" relationship more akin to the relationships you see between firms using the same brand in Japan say?
Clearly the casual observer would assume given the logo is the same etc that the Aresenal LFC is simply the Ladies team of the same club. (Akin to say most golf clubs almost all of whom have Gentlemen's and Ladies teams, but there is no question of them being separate clubs- generally speaking). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 149.254.218.39 ( talk) 22:15, 1 June 2014 (UTC)
In 2014 and 9 years later in 2023, this comment is absolutely incorrect and undeserving of a place in "active discussions". The men's and women's teams of Arsenal Football Club have been a part of Arsenal FC since the inception of the women's team. The women's team is not a separate entity from either a legal perspective or a practical one. From a legal, financial, and practical perspective these are two teams in the same club.
If this poster were correct, then it would similarly be appropriate to label the men's U-23, U-21, U-19, U-17, etc. teams as not being a part of Arsenal FC.
This "discussion" topic is clearly the result of a misogynist who feels the need to isolate the women as "something else" despite the pride of players who grew up playing in Arsenal FC's academy as members of the club since childhood. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 8.9.85.41 ( talk) 21:30, 26 January 2023 (UTC)
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The Rationale of the logo specifically states the following
The image is placed in the infobox at the top of the article discussing Arsenal F.C., a subject of public interest. The significance of the logo is to help the reader identify the organization, assure the readers that they have reached the right article containing critical commentary about the organization, and illustrate the organization's intended branding message in a way that words alone could not convey. There is commentary in the article about the logo itself as follows: "Logo of Arsenal Football Club and Arsenal Ladies Football Club, used to illustrate the teams in articles about them and the teams that they field."
This therefore covers the use of the logo in this article. 31.127.133.203 ( talk) 07:31, 10 May 2019 (UTC)
The sentence "Based on social media activity from the 2018–19 season, Arsenal's fanbase is the largest in the world." recently added to the lede seems to be quite an exceptional claim to make and surely something that requires something more than a citation to the team's Twitter account (i.e. a primary source). Are there any secondary and independent sources which support such a claim? If there are they perhaps the content can be moved to the body of article and expanded upon, and even attributed as needed; for example, "According to FIFA, ...", "According to ABC soccer magazine", "According to ABC newspaper", "According to Twitter statistics, ...", etc. The team's Twitter page is not really published by "Twitter" so to speak in that nobody at Twitter verifies the what the team tweets; so, basically all editorial control over the account rests with the team itself. If the team tweeted out something that some other reliable source stated, then it would be better to actually cite that source than a tweet per WP:SPS and WP:UGC; if the team is making a claim that cannot be verified by a secondary source, then the claim should be removed. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 13:53, 10 June 2019 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: not moved. Clear consensus against a mass move per WP:TRAINWRECK. This close does not preclude individual renomination. ( closed by non-admin page mover) Elli ( talk | contribs) 14:03, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
– It appears on a football discussion page that the abbreviation “W.F.C.” needs to be expanded a bit, either with or without brackets. 46.149.249.106 ( talk) 11:21, 15 November 2021 (UTC) 46.149.249.106 ( talk) 11:21, 15 November 2021 (UTC)
Support per discussion at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject Football, either with or without brackets. W.F.C. could stand for other things such as some entries listed on WFC. Iggy ( Swan) ( Contribs) 21:30, 15 November 2021 (UTC)