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Campbell Newman is the Premier Elect until he is sworn in as the Premier by the Governor of Queensland, therefore Anna Bligh is still the Premier in her own right. Nford24 ( Talk) 22:38, 24 March 2012 (AEST)
In this table, a number of the early premiers are characterised by being conservative or liberal, but there are no citations and indeed these labels don't always appear in their individual articles or do so without any citation to support it. I think it's reasonable to include party memberships here but not so clear that it's reasonable to say anything else. Even the "Ministerialist" label is not very meaningful. In that era, an MP either supported the Premier and his Minister (i.e. was a Ministerialist) or didn't support them (i.e. was an Oppositionist). So, it follows that Premiers and Ministers were automatically Ministerialists as they supported themselves. I am suggesting we remove anything that isn't an actual party affiliation from this table, and leave it to the individual articles to provide more insight into that particular premier's views and political alignments (with appropriate citations), which I doubt can be always easily summarised into one or two words for the table on this page. Kerry ( talk) 01:47, 12 September 2016 (UTC)
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Should a banner be added to the article pointing out that it is devoid of references? The Elysian Vector Fields ( talk) 00:27, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
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This article assumes that the office of Premier of Queensland has existed since 1859, but the ministerial lists published in the "Government Gazette" make it clear that this term, although it was in common use, had no legal basis before the end of the 19th century. In that period the head of the government nearly always had another portfolio for which he was paid a salary (usually Colonial Secretary or later Chief Secretary). The last ministerial list available in the "Government Gazette", that of the Philp ministry of December 1899, makes no mention of a Premier. Unfortunately, the "Goverment Gazette" is available online only until the end of 1900, so it is not possible to determine from that source when the position of Premier was officially established. However, a newspaper report ("Western Star and Roma Advertiser", 23 April 1902) tells us that at that date the Premier drew a salary of 1,300 pounds a year. It thus appears that the position of Premier was officially recognised at some time during the Premiership of Robert Philp (1899-1903). Can anyone shed further light on this question? Constant Pedant ( talk) 07:30, 2 October 2023 (UTC)
User:Teratix, thanks for that simplification. I wish we could go further: the more complicated these tables are, the more difficult they become to edit (and see on mobile devices), esp. for non-specialists. For instance, I don't see why "Term of office" takes three columns--the start and finish can be in one column, and length of term is really a bit redundant. Likewise, "Constituency" isn't all that relevant. And there's a bit more--the timeline basically just replicates the same thing, the table's colors are not explained in a legend before the table, and scrolling from the table to the bottom of the timeline is counterintuitive and confusing. If the party is also in a column, why do we need the color? Simpler is better--esp. when you consider that on mobile devices these wide tables are particularly difficult, if not impossible, to see. Thanks, Drmies ( talk) 16:37, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
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There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:Premiers of Victoria which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. — RM bot 15:00, 14 January 2011 (UTC)
Campbell Newman is the Premier Elect until he is sworn in as the Premier by the Governor of Queensland, therefore Anna Bligh is still the Premier in her own right. Nford24 ( Talk) 22:38, 24 March 2012 (AEST)
In this table, a number of the early premiers are characterised by being conservative or liberal, but there are no citations and indeed these labels don't always appear in their individual articles or do so without any citation to support it. I think it's reasonable to include party memberships here but not so clear that it's reasonable to say anything else. Even the "Ministerialist" label is not very meaningful. In that era, an MP either supported the Premier and his Minister (i.e. was a Ministerialist) or didn't support them (i.e. was an Oppositionist). So, it follows that Premiers and Ministers were automatically Ministerialists as they supported themselves. I am suggesting we remove anything that isn't an actual party affiliation from this table, and leave it to the individual articles to provide more insight into that particular premier's views and political alignments (with appropriate citations), which I doubt can be always easily summarised into one or two words for the table on this page. Kerry ( talk) 01:47, 12 September 2016 (UTC)
The file Rob-borbidge.jpg on Wikimedia Commons has been nominated for speedy deletion. View the deletion reason at the Commons file description page. Community Tech bot ( talk) 22:51, 25 May 2018 (UTC)
The file Russell Cooper (1).jpg on Wikimedia Commons has been nominated for speedy deletion. View the deletion reason at the Commons file description page. Community Tech bot ( talk) 23:21, 25 May 2018 (UTC)
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Should a banner be added to the article pointing out that it is devoid of references? The Elysian Vector Fields ( talk) 00:27, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
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This article assumes that the office of Premier of Queensland has existed since 1859, but the ministerial lists published in the "Government Gazette" make it clear that this term, although it was in common use, had no legal basis before the end of the 19th century. In that period the head of the government nearly always had another portfolio for which he was paid a salary (usually Colonial Secretary or later Chief Secretary). The last ministerial list available in the "Government Gazette", that of the Philp ministry of December 1899, makes no mention of a Premier. Unfortunately, the "Goverment Gazette" is available online only until the end of 1900, so it is not possible to determine from that source when the position of Premier was officially established. However, a newspaper report ("Western Star and Roma Advertiser", 23 April 1902) tells us that at that date the Premier drew a salary of 1,300 pounds a year. It thus appears that the position of Premier was officially recognised at some time during the Premiership of Robert Philp (1899-1903). Can anyone shed further light on this question? Constant Pedant ( talk) 07:30, 2 October 2023 (UTC)
User:Teratix, thanks for that simplification. I wish we could go further: the more complicated these tables are, the more difficult they become to edit (and see on mobile devices), esp. for non-specialists. For instance, I don't see why "Term of office" takes three columns--the start and finish can be in one column, and length of term is really a bit redundant. Likewise, "Constituency" isn't all that relevant. And there's a bit more--the timeline basically just replicates the same thing, the table's colors are not explained in a legend before the table, and scrolling from the table to the bottom of the timeline is counterintuitive and confusing. If the party is also in a column, why do we need the color? Simpler is better--esp. when you consider that on mobile devices these wide tables are particularly difficult, if not impossible, to see. Thanks, Drmies ( talk) 16:37, 14 April 2024 (UTC)