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The result of the move request was: Consensus to move - Whilst !voting is evenly balanced, the support !voters have provided a much clearer basis for their position in
WP:PDAB and in the relative popularity of the the two pages indicating that the Lady Gaga song is the
WP:PRIMARYTOPIC.(
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FOARP (
talk)
19:44, 10 November 2021 (UTC)reply
Oppose per above. There is no point in having an incomplete title ambiguity. If it isn't a primary topic, make it clear what the article is.
Gonnym (
talk)
18:38, 3 November 2021 (UTC)reply
Support; the Ayumi Hamasaki exists with only one source and should be sent to
AFD. This is clearly the
primary topic by way of long-term significance (and I would in fact suggest it be moved to "
Poker Face" with a hatnote from
poker face, but I don't feel that's a move that's likely to garner support).
Sean Stephens (
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22:46, 3 November 2021 (UTC)reply
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Requested move 22 March 2022
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The result of the move request was: no consensus. The nomination statement for this discussion was just a bare assertion of primariness without any supporting evidence, and some editors opposed for this reason alone. Among those who engaged with the merits of the move per se, editors were roughly split, depending on how they weighed the pageviews, the disambiguating power of
WP:DIFFCAPS, and the long-term significance of
blank expression. (
closed by non-admin page mover)
Colin M (
talk)
14:57, 29 March 2022 (UTC)reply
Oppose for the same reason as above. Poker Face is a common expression and more likely to be referenced than this song. While we're at it, this article should probably be renamed Poker Face (Lady Gaga song) since it's not the only song named Poker Face with an article. --
Shadow (
talk)
06:46, 22 March 2022 (UTC)reply
Would just like to add onto my comment...at the time I made it I didn't not see the above conversation about naming it Poker Face (song) vs Poker Face (Lady Gaga song). Based on the consensus above, it seems the majority supported just (song).
Shadow (
talk)
19:52, 22 March 2022 (UTC)reply
Per above if the page is not moved I'd weakly support moving it to
Poker Face (Lady Gaga song) since this one gets 7,436 views but the other gets 216[
[1]] though I'd agree it is well known especially for the title case version so there may be a case for it to be primary overall. Crouch, Swale (
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09:46, 22 March 2022 (UTC)reply
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"Poker face" or "Fuck her face"?
I would like to correct the lyrics in the captions for the song snippet. I've submitted the obviously-correct lyrics but they keep getting reverted unfairly. --
71.193.20.55 (
talk)
20:34, 18 May 2022 (UTC)reply
Just copying this first argument here for the record, as it should have been included originally:
My corrections to the lyrics are accurate and very easy to verify, and my reasons given are included in the edit history.
The lyrics are very clear - literally, just listen to what she's saying in that portion. Just listen to that portion of the song, which is clipped and provided on the song's page right here on the Wiki. It's very very clear. Here are some links for additional verification:
While this discussion is now two-years inactive, it does seem to still be a point of contention based on the edit history of the article proper as recently as a month ago, so I feel the urge to weigh in. The addition seems to keep being reversed based on "lack of proper source", which the above few might not be good enough to count as even if properly added in ref tags. But, to note, the other discussion on the TimedText talk page does show the fifteen year old concert clip of the artist herself (as well as, because this is not the era that King and Goffin got their start in, writer) admitting to the fact that the explicit lyric is in fact correct. And that's apparently enough proof for
the TimedText namespace page itself. It seems silly to keep it from the article and continue to assert that it isn't the fact that she so readily acknowledged less than a year after the song came out. It's not much different from
Let's Get It Started in the grand scheme of things.
Schiffy (
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16:54, 9 July 2024 (UTC)reply
Requested move 30 April 2023
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Poker Face (song) → Poker Face (Lady Gaga song) – Last 2021, I proposed this page title changed from Poker Face (Lady Gaga song) to just Poker Face (song), but why did I have to propose it in the first place? I checked the dab page and there is another song named "Poker Face" with an article, and that is the
song by Ayumi Hamasaki. Maybe the current article title for the Lady Gaga song is not fine after over a year, so I propose to reverse this move in 2021. RMXY (
talk)
07:03, 30 April 2023 (UTC)reply
No, but there is a primary topic between one of the world's best selling singles of an all time, and a song that peaked at no. 20 in Japan.
Estar8806 (
talk)
15:49, 30 April 2023 (UTC)reply
Oppose it's undoubtedly the primary topic for songs titled "Poker Face" in terms of pageviews, global impact, long-term significance, etc.
Heartfox (
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22:02, 30 April 2023 (UTC)reply
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Poker Face (song) article. This is
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The result of the move request was: Consensus to move - Whilst !voting is evenly balanced, the support !voters have provided a much clearer basis for their position in
WP:PDAB and in the relative popularity of the the two pages indicating that the Lady Gaga song is the
WP:PRIMARYTOPIC.(
non-admin closure)
FOARP (
talk)
19:44, 10 November 2021 (UTC)reply
Oppose per above. There is no point in having an incomplete title ambiguity. If it isn't a primary topic, make it clear what the article is.
Gonnym (
talk)
18:38, 3 November 2021 (UTC)reply
Support; the Ayumi Hamasaki exists with only one source and should be sent to
AFD. This is clearly the
primary topic by way of long-term significance (and I would in fact suggest it be moved to "
Poker Face" with a hatnote from
poker face, but I don't feel that's a move that's likely to garner support).
Sean Stephens (
talk)
22:46, 3 November 2021 (UTC)reply
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Requested move 22 March 2022
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The result of the move request was: no consensus. The nomination statement for this discussion was just a bare assertion of primariness without any supporting evidence, and some editors opposed for this reason alone. Among those who engaged with the merits of the move per se, editors were roughly split, depending on how they weighed the pageviews, the disambiguating power of
WP:DIFFCAPS, and the long-term significance of
blank expression. (
closed by non-admin page mover)
Colin M (
talk)
14:57, 29 March 2022 (UTC)reply
Oppose for the same reason as above. Poker Face is a common expression and more likely to be referenced than this song. While we're at it, this article should probably be renamed Poker Face (Lady Gaga song) since it's not the only song named Poker Face with an article. --
Shadow (
talk)
06:46, 22 March 2022 (UTC)reply
Would just like to add onto my comment...at the time I made it I didn't not see the above conversation about naming it Poker Face (song) vs Poker Face (Lady Gaga song). Based on the consensus above, it seems the majority supported just (song).
Shadow (
talk)
19:52, 22 March 2022 (UTC)reply
Per above if the page is not moved I'd weakly support moving it to
Poker Face (Lady Gaga song) since this one gets 7,436 views but the other gets 216[
[1]] though I'd agree it is well known especially for the title case version so there may be a case for it to be primary overall. Crouch, Swale (
talk)
09:46, 22 March 2022 (UTC)reply
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"Poker face" or "Fuck her face"?
I would like to correct the lyrics in the captions for the song snippet. I've submitted the obviously-correct lyrics but they keep getting reverted unfairly. --
71.193.20.55 (
talk)
20:34, 18 May 2022 (UTC)reply
Just copying this first argument here for the record, as it should have been included originally:
My corrections to the lyrics are accurate and very easy to verify, and my reasons given are included in the edit history.
The lyrics are very clear - literally, just listen to what she's saying in that portion. Just listen to that portion of the song, which is clipped and provided on the song's page right here on the Wiki. It's very very clear. Here are some links for additional verification:
While this discussion is now two-years inactive, it does seem to still be a point of contention based on the edit history of the article proper as recently as a month ago, so I feel the urge to weigh in. The addition seems to keep being reversed based on "lack of proper source", which the above few might not be good enough to count as even if properly added in ref tags. But, to note, the other discussion on the TimedText talk page does show the fifteen year old concert clip of the artist herself (as well as, because this is not the era that King and Goffin got their start in, writer) admitting to the fact that the explicit lyric is in fact correct. And that's apparently enough proof for
the TimedText namespace page itself. It seems silly to keep it from the article and continue to assert that it isn't the fact that she so readily acknowledged less than a year after the song came out. It's not much different from
Let's Get It Started in the grand scheme of things.
Schiffy (
Speak to me|
What I've done)
16:54, 9 July 2024 (UTC)reply
Requested move 30 April 2023
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Poker Face (song) → Poker Face (Lady Gaga song) – Last 2021, I proposed this page title changed from Poker Face (Lady Gaga song) to just Poker Face (song), but why did I have to propose it in the first place? I checked the dab page and there is another song named "Poker Face" with an article, and that is the
song by Ayumi Hamasaki. Maybe the current article title for the Lady Gaga song is not fine after over a year, so I propose to reverse this move in 2021. RMXY (
talk)
07:03, 30 April 2023 (UTC)reply
No, but there is a primary topic between one of the world's best selling singles of an all time, and a song that peaked at no. 20 in Japan.
Estar8806 (
talk)
15:49, 30 April 2023 (UTC)reply
Oppose it's undoubtedly the primary topic for songs titled "Poker Face" in terms of pageviews, global impact, long-term significance, etc.
Heartfox (
talk)
22:02, 30 April 2023 (UTC)reply
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.