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You are invited to participate in an RfC at Wikipedia talk:Requests for mediation/The Beatles on the issue of capitalising the definite article when mentioning the name of this band in running prose. This long-standing dispute is the subject of an open mediation case and we are requesting your help with determining the current community consensus. Thank you for your time. For the mediators. ~ GabeMc ( talk| contribs) 22:47, 17 September 2012 (UTC)
BBC Radio 2 is planning an anniversary day on 11 February 2013. Martinevans123 ( talk) 20:02, 4 February 2013 (UTC)
The side bar at the top says it was recorded in September, November, and February. The text however says it was recorded in one day. Which is it?? The side bar gives no references for those dates-- Dbjorck ( talk) 16:15, 12 February 2013 (UTC)
It says in the article: "Therefore, at 10:00 am on Monday, 11 February 1963, the Beatles and George Martin started recording what was essentially their live act in 1963, and finished 585 minutes later (9 hours and 45 minutes)"
Most sources (including the BBC) say 12 hours. This one says 765 minutes after they had started recording, in 3 sessions 10:00AM – 1:00PM, 2:30PM – 5:30PM and 7:30PM – 10:30PM which sounds more reasonable. Did they really do it in 585 minutes including breaks as the sentence in the article says or is that the time minus breaks? Richerman (talk) 22:15, 22 December 2013 (UTC)
In order for the album to contain fourteen songs (the norm for British 12" vinyl pop albums at that time was to have seven songs on each side, while American albums usually had only five or six songs per side), ten more tracks were needed to add to the four sides of their first two singles recorded and released previously. Therefore, at 10:00 am on Monday, 11 February 1963, the Beatles and George Martin started recording what was essentially their live act in 1963. In three sessions that day (each lasting approximately three hours) they produced an authentic representation of the band's Cavern Club-era sound, with only a few minor overdubs and edits. Optimistically, only two sessions were originally booked by Martin and the evening session was an afterthought.{{sfn|Lewisohn|1988|pp=24–26}} Mark Lewisohn would later write: "There can scarcely have been 585 more productive minutes in the history of recorded music"{{sfn|Lewisohn|1988|p=24}} <ref name="classic rock"/> Martin overdubbed the piano on " Misery" on Feb. 20 and celeste on " Baby It’s You" five days later.<ref name="classic rock"/> Patthedog ( talk) 13:54, 28 December 2013 (UTC)
Apologies; I uploaded to the article while you were posting. Let me come back. Patthedog ( talk) 15:19, 28 December 2013 (UTC)
I would like to request the page be moved from Please Please Me to Please Please Me (album) to distinguish it from the song. Both carry enough weight to make distinction necessary. Thank you.-- Gg53000 ( talk) 01:49, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
Though they are sourced, Rock and Pop seem kind of redundant here, as the already listed Rock'N'Roll already covers Rock, and Merseybeat covers both Pop and Rock. I think Rock'N'Roll and Merseybeat alone would cover the album's style perfectly without having to many genres flooding the infobox. Poppermost2014 ( talk) 13:48, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
Part of this sentence is confusing:
"A stereo mix was made at the same time as the mono mix (though even the stereo album only featured mono mixes of "Love Me Do" and "P.S. I Love You")"
The part that is confusing is the thing about "though even the stereo album only featured mono mixes...". Unless I'm missing something, "only" implies you would expect more mono mixes on a stereo mix. Can we drop the word "also"? A Quest For Knowledge ( talk) 13:58, 22 March 2016 (UTC)
The article lead seems to suggest that PPM was a UK number one single when officially it only reached number two in the RR chart, which was the industry measure at that time. Is that misleading readers? Patthedog ( talk) 09:42, 3 November 2016 (UTC)
"Martin was correct about the chart position, though some brandishing their copy of the Guinness book of hit singles will dispute this. They should take note that the whole of Britain, including the Beatles themselves, were under the impression that the record reached the pinnacle, which in fact was a source of no little national pride and justification for media coverage. Guinness... has "Please Please me" peaking at number two because its data for the period is taken from Record Retailer (later named Music Week) whose chart was the only one of four competing charts of the era whose summit it did not scale. At the time Record Retailer 'was by no means considered the definitive chart. If any was, it was that of the New Musical Express, as it was the oldest, although in fairness Record Retailer was the era's only independent audited chart."
I could come back with a number of points, but feel inclined to throw-in the towel as I feel like I’m probably flogging a dead horse - if you can flog a dead horse with a towel. I haven’t consensus so will withdraw unless others have an opinion. Patthedog ( talk) 14:43, 6 November 2016 (UTC)
The infobox states that the album was recoded 4 September 1962 to 11 February 1963, this is obviously wrong but the article doesn't do anything to clear this up. It only states that 10 more songs were needed for a complete album if the first two singles and the B sides were added. Pennsy22 ( talk) 09:55, 22 August 2017 (UTC)
Harmony 2A02:C7F:9481:AB00:4CC3:20E:A878:DEA1 ( talk) 16:46, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
You are invited to participate in the Beatles WikiProject task force to bring this article to Good Article status. For more details see the discussion page at the project. Alexcalamaro ( talk) 19:20, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
Larkin was one of the most notable post-war British poets. Why if his reference to the album (even without the explanatory quote), in his 1974 poem " Annus Mirabilis" not deemed appropriate? Martinevans123 ( talk) 22:23, 19 May 2022 (UTC)
I've been told to take it to the talk page, so here I am, taking it to the talk page. I say the following ==In media== section is relevant and appropriate to the 'Please Please Me' page. At least one Wikipedian agrees with me, and at least one does not.
I took the exact same Philip Larkin quote from the 'Cultural influence' section of the 'Lady Chatterley's Lover' Wikipedia page where it has existed undisturbed for god knows how long. If it was not an issue on that page why would it be an issue on the 'Please Please Me' page? Ridiculopathy ( talk) 11:10, 21 May 2022 (UTC).
Sexual intercourse began
In nineteen sixty-three
(which was rather late for me) –
Between the end of the Chatterley ban
And the Beatles' first LP.
References
In my view, recent edits by John M Wolfson don't improve the article. Sorry. It needs a lot of copy editing or it could just be to restored to Zmbro 23 Feb. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Patthedog ( talk • contribs)
I'm sorry you didn't like my edits, Pat. I was trying to tidy up the lead to polish it per WP:LEADCITE, to maybe get this to eventual good article status. If you think certain sentences are clumsy please feel free to reword them, but I'm happy with the overall paragraph and sentence structure of the new lead and think that a wholesale reversion would be a negative. – John M Wolfson ( talk • contribs) 15:54, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
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99.251.125.65 (
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11:58, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
You are invited to participate in an RfC at Wikipedia talk:Requests for mediation/The Beatles on the issue of capitalising the definite article when mentioning the name of this band in running prose. This long-standing dispute is the subject of an open mediation case and we are requesting your help with determining the current community consensus. Thank you for your time. For the mediators. ~ GabeMc ( talk| contribs) 22:47, 17 September 2012 (UTC)
BBC Radio 2 is planning an anniversary day on 11 February 2013. Martinevans123 ( talk) 20:02, 4 February 2013 (UTC)
The side bar at the top says it was recorded in September, November, and February. The text however says it was recorded in one day. Which is it?? The side bar gives no references for those dates-- Dbjorck ( talk) 16:15, 12 February 2013 (UTC)
It says in the article: "Therefore, at 10:00 am on Monday, 11 February 1963, the Beatles and George Martin started recording what was essentially their live act in 1963, and finished 585 minutes later (9 hours and 45 minutes)"
Most sources (including the BBC) say 12 hours. This one says 765 minutes after they had started recording, in 3 sessions 10:00AM – 1:00PM, 2:30PM – 5:30PM and 7:30PM – 10:30PM which sounds more reasonable. Did they really do it in 585 minutes including breaks as the sentence in the article says or is that the time minus breaks? Richerman (talk) 22:15, 22 December 2013 (UTC)
In order for the album to contain fourteen songs (the norm for British 12" vinyl pop albums at that time was to have seven songs on each side, while American albums usually had only five or six songs per side), ten more tracks were needed to add to the four sides of their first two singles recorded and released previously. Therefore, at 10:00 am on Monday, 11 February 1963, the Beatles and George Martin started recording what was essentially their live act in 1963. In three sessions that day (each lasting approximately three hours) they produced an authentic representation of the band's Cavern Club-era sound, with only a few minor overdubs and edits. Optimistically, only two sessions were originally booked by Martin and the evening session was an afterthought.{{sfn|Lewisohn|1988|pp=24–26}} Mark Lewisohn would later write: "There can scarcely have been 585 more productive minutes in the history of recorded music"{{sfn|Lewisohn|1988|p=24}} <ref name="classic rock"/> Martin overdubbed the piano on " Misery" on Feb. 20 and celeste on " Baby It’s You" five days later.<ref name="classic rock"/> Patthedog ( talk) 13:54, 28 December 2013 (UTC)
Apologies; I uploaded to the article while you were posting. Let me come back. Patthedog ( talk) 15:19, 28 December 2013 (UTC)
I would like to request the page be moved from Please Please Me to Please Please Me (album) to distinguish it from the song. Both carry enough weight to make distinction necessary. Thank you.-- Gg53000 ( talk) 01:49, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
Though they are sourced, Rock and Pop seem kind of redundant here, as the already listed Rock'N'Roll already covers Rock, and Merseybeat covers both Pop and Rock. I think Rock'N'Roll and Merseybeat alone would cover the album's style perfectly without having to many genres flooding the infobox. Poppermost2014 ( talk) 13:48, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
Part of this sentence is confusing:
"A stereo mix was made at the same time as the mono mix (though even the stereo album only featured mono mixes of "Love Me Do" and "P.S. I Love You")"
The part that is confusing is the thing about "though even the stereo album only featured mono mixes...". Unless I'm missing something, "only" implies you would expect more mono mixes on a stereo mix. Can we drop the word "also"? A Quest For Knowledge ( talk) 13:58, 22 March 2016 (UTC)
The article lead seems to suggest that PPM was a UK number one single when officially it only reached number two in the RR chart, which was the industry measure at that time. Is that misleading readers? Patthedog ( talk) 09:42, 3 November 2016 (UTC)
"Martin was correct about the chart position, though some brandishing their copy of the Guinness book of hit singles will dispute this. They should take note that the whole of Britain, including the Beatles themselves, were under the impression that the record reached the pinnacle, which in fact was a source of no little national pride and justification for media coverage. Guinness... has "Please Please me" peaking at number two because its data for the period is taken from Record Retailer (later named Music Week) whose chart was the only one of four competing charts of the era whose summit it did not scale. At the time Record Retailer 'was by no means considered the definitive chart. If any was, it was that of the New Musical Express, as it was the oldest, although in fairness Record Retailer was the era's only independent audited chart."
I could come back with a number of points, but feel inclined to throw-in the towel as I feel like I’m probably flogging a dead horse - if you can flog a dead horse with a towel. I haven’t consensus so will withdraw unless others have an opinion. Patthedog ( talk) 14:43, 6 November 2016 (UTC)
The infobox states that the album was recoded 4 September 1962 to 11 February 1963, this is obviously wrong but the article doesn't do anything to clear this up. It only states that 10 more songs were needed for a complete album if the first two singles and the B sides were added. Pennsy22 ( talk) 09:55, 22 August 2017 (UTC)
Harmony 2A02:C7F:9481:AB00:4CC3:20E:A878:DEA1 ( talk) 16:46, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
You are invited to participate in the Beatles WikiProject task force to bring this article to Good Article status. For more details see the discussion page at the project. Alexcalamaro ( talk) 19:20, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
Larkin was one of the most notable post-war British poets. Why if his reference to the album (even without the explanatory quote), in his 1974 poem " Annus Mirabilis" not deemed appropriate? Martinevans123 ( talk) 22:23, 19 May 2022 (UTC)
I've been told to take it to the talk page, so here I am, taking it to the talk page. I say the following ==In media== section is relevant and appropriate to the 'Please Please Me' page. At least one Wikipedian agrees with me, and at least one does not.
I took the exact same Philip Larkin quote from the 'Cultural influence' section of the 'Lady Chatterley's Lover' Wikipedia page where it has existed undisturbed for god knows how long. If it was not an issue on that page why would it be an issue on the 'Please Please Me' page? Ridiculopathy ( talk) 11:10, 21 May 2022 (UTC).
Sexual intercourse began
In nineteen sixty-three
(which was rather late for me) –
Between the end of the Chatterley ban
And the Beatles' first LP.
References
In my view, recent edits by John M Wolfson don't improve the article. Sorry. It needs a lot of copy editing or it could just be to restored to Zmbro 23 Feb. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Patthedog ( talk • contribs)
I'm sorry you didn't like my edits, Pat. I was trying to tidy up the lead to polish it per WP:LEADCITE, to maybe get this to eventual good article status. If you think certain sentences are clumsy please feel free to reword them, but I'm happy with the overall paragraph and sentence structure of the new lead and think that a wholesale reversion would be a negative. – John M Wolfson ( talk • contribs) 15:54, 21 March 2023 (UTC)