I have made some copy edits. Change any you do not like.
The lead image is unsatisfactory. It is clearly a distorted image, even though the same editor took a better photo - see right. There is no provenance and the licensing is wrong - see the correct PDArt licensing for the Matejko picture. It is described as "Anonymous 18th-century rendering" and in category 18th-century portraits in the Royal Castle, Warsaw. The JPG portrait is described as 17C before 1612, so in Skarga's lifetime. This needs checking with the Royal Castle - what date is it and is it really anonymous? Also "rendering" is the wrong word. It should be "portrait".
Ugh.
User:Mathiasrex has taken the picture twice, labelled it differently both times, it's a mess. It's a bad image on many levels; also because I have trouble IDing it with in any of the academic sources (and I found at least two) discussing his image:
[1],
[2] (do you think it's the one on p.305 here?),
[3]. But anyway, given the crappy quality of the pic, how about replacing it with
File:Piotr Skarga.PNG?
File:Piotr Skarga.JPG is another problematic painting by the same uploader with similar ID issues. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus|
reply here08:05, 12 June 2015 (UTC)reply
I don't know. I think the image above is much the best portrait. The problem is either that it has gone dark or the photo makes it appear that way. How about the bust below?
I am inclined to agree with the previous reviewer in preferring a short background paragraph, especially on the mid-16C religious conflict in Poland, but it is not a requirement.
The lead is a bit short. I would suggest a few (not many) more details about his career and add that the only biography by ... was published in 1978.
"His family are often described as lesser landless szlachta (gentry, or nobility), but recent ancestors had likely been peasants, later townsfolk who had become minor nobility.[1] He was reared at the family estate" I found this confusing. Presumably wrongly described as landless? Ancestors had been peasants but had moved to the town of x (what town?) and become minor nobility with a family estate?
"For two years he served as rector of the collegiate school at St. John's Church in Warsaw." This needs clarifying. Was it in 1555 after he finished his education and was he appointed head of the school straight away at the age of 19?
"chaplain to the castellan and royal secretary[11] Jan Krzysztof Tarnowski" How about "chaplain to Jan Krzysztof Tarnowski, castellan and secretary to King Sigismund II Augustus"?
"Publication of one of Skarga's replies to Wolan, Artes duodecim Sacramentariorum... around 1580-1581 caused an incident which included book burning, a condemnation by king Stefan Batorya" This is confusing and needs expansion. Whose book was burned and which side was the king on?
"In 1584 Skarga was transferred to the new Jesuit College at Kraków." Probably no change needed but just to clarify the word "transferred". I assume as a Jesuit he was moved by his superiors and he did not have a choice whether to move?
"the charity, Mount of Piety: Bank Pobożny (the Pious Bank)" This is confusing. How about "the Mount of Piety, a pawnbroker run as a charity and called in Polish the Bank Pobożny (the Pious Bank)"
"confronted masses of the nobility," "masses" of the does not sound right - the majority of the nobility? Also presumably the king won the civil war but you should say so.
"From the Polish Enlightenment on, his works, penned in Polish rather than in Latin," This could do with being clarified. I would specify Polish Enlightenment in the middle of the eighteenth century. Also, were theological works generally written in Latin before his time and was he a pioneer of writing in Polish?
"Skarga's cause for beatification was inaugurated on 12 June 2013." What does inaugurated mean here - formally proposed or a later stage in the process?
Piotrus,
Dudley Miles, where does this nomination stand? It's been about six weeks since the last edit on the article, and the subsequent comments by Dudley Miles above. If the review is to stay open, some progress needs to be made soon. Thanks.
BlueMoonset (
talk)
03:00, 25 July 2015 (UTC)reply
@
BlueMoonset and
Dudley Miles: It stands as a testament to the importance of pinging/echoing/simply leaving a talk page notices. As I was not notified of outstanding comments here, I simply forgot this nomination was happening. Anyway, I'll try to remember to check the source soon, I have few more days where I can access it. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus|
reply here22:02, 25 July 2015 (UTC)reply
"Another notable aspect of the book is an accent on the desperate plight of the serfs". I do not understand what "accent" means here - exposé? concentration?
One query not dealt with (see above) and one new one.
This article relies excessively on one source, particularly as you say in the article that there is an extensive literature on him. It seems surprising that there is only one biography of such an important figure in Polish history. However, I think it will meet the GA criteria once the two minor grammar queries above are dealt with.
Dudley Miles (
talk)
22:07, 26 July 2015 (UTC)reply
The article could certainly be expanded for FA, but I think it is comprehensive enough for GA. And frankly, I think the other works on him are a) older b) offline and hard to access, in obscure Polish journals and such. Tazbir's work is the most known and accessible work on him, I believe - and probably the best overall (it is AFAK the newest work on him, and the only book-size biography). Thank you for your review and suggestions! --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus|
reply here13:26, 27 July 2015 (UTC)reply
I have made some copy edits. Change any you do not like.
The lead image is unsatisfactory. It is clearly a distorted image, even though the same editor took a better photo - see right. There is no provenance and the licensing is wrong - see the correct PDArt licensing for the Matejko picture. It is described as "Anonymous 18th-century rendering" and in category 18th-century portraits in the Royal Castle, Warsaw. The JPG portrait is described as 17C before 1612, so in Skarga's lifetime. This needs checking with the Royal Castle - what date is it and is it really anonymous? Also "rendering" is the wrong word. It should be "portrait".
Ugh.
User:Mathiasrex has taken the picture twice, labelled it differently both times, it's a mess. It's a bad image on many levels; also because I have trouble IDing it with in any of the academic sources (and I found at least two) discussing his image:
[1],
[2] (do you think it's the one on p.305 here?),
[3]. But anyway, given the crappy quality of the pic, how about replacing it with
File:Piotr Skarga.PNG?
File:Piotr Skarga.JPG is another problematic painting by the same uploader with similar ID issues. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus|
reply here08:05, 12 June 2015 (UTC)reply
I don't know. I think the image above is much the best portrait. The problem is either that it has gone dark or the photo makes it appear that way. How about the bust below?
I am inclined to agree with the previous reviewer in preferring a short background paragraph, especially on the mid-16C religious conflict in Poland, but it is not a requirement.
The lead is a bit short. I would suggest a few (not many) more details about his career and add that the only biography by ... was published in 1978.
"His family are often described as lesser landless szlachta (gentry, or nobility), but recent ancestors had likely been peasants, later townsfolk who had become minor nobility.[1] He was reared at the family estate" I found this confusing. Presumably wrongly described as landless? Ancestors had been peasants but had moved to the town of x (what town?) and become minor nobility with a family estate?
"For two years he served as rector of the collegiate school at St. John's Church in Warsaw." This needs clarifying. Was it in 1555 after he finished his education and was he appointed head of the school straight away at the age of 19?
"chaplain to the castellan and royal secretary[11] Jan Krzysztof Tarnowski" How about "chaplain to Jan Krzysztof Tarnowski, castellan and secretary to King Sigismund II Augustus"?
"Publication of one of Skarga's replies to Wolan, Artes duodecim Sacramentariorum... around 1580-1581 caused an incident which included book burning, a condemnation by king Stefan Batorya" This is confusing and needs expansion. Whose book was burned and which side was the king on?
"In 1584 Skarga was transferred to the new Jesuit College at Kraków." Probably no change needed but just to clarify the word "transferred". I assume as a Jesuit he was moved by his superiors and he did not have a choice whether to move?
"the charity, Mount of Piety: Bank Pobożny (the Pious Bank)" This is confusing. How about "the Mount of Piety, a pawnbroker run as a charity and called in Polish the Bank Pobożny (the Pious Bank)"
"confronted masses of the nobility," "masses" of the does not sound right - the majority of the nobility? Also presumably the king won the civil war but you should say so.
"From the Polish Enlightenment on, his works, penned in Polish rather than in Latin," This could do with being clarified. I would specify Polish Enlightenment in the middle of the eighteenth century. Also, were theological works generally written in Latin before his time and was he a pioneer of writing in Polish?
"Skarga's cause for beatification was inaugurated on 12 June 2013." What does inaugurated mean here - formally proposed or a later stage in the process?
Piotrus,
Dudley Miles, where does this nomination stand? It's been about six weeks since the last edit on the article, and the subsequent comments by Dudley Miles above. If the review is to stay open, some progress needs to be made soon. Thanks.
BlueMoonset (
talk)
03:00, 25 July 2015 (UTC)reply
@
BlueMoonset and
Dudley Miles: It stands as a testament to the importance of pinging/echoing/simply leaving a talk page notices. As I was not notified of outstanding comments here, I simply forgot this nomination was happening. Anyway, I'll try to remember to check the source soon, I have few more days where I can access it. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus|
reply here22:02, 25 July 2015 (UTC)reply
"Another notable aspect of the book is an accent on the desperate plight of the serfs". I do not understand what "accent" means here - exposé? concentration?
One query not dealt with (see above) and one new one.
This article relies excessively on one source, particularly as you say in the article that there is an extensive literature on him. It seems surprising that there is only one biography of such an important figure in Polish history. However, I think it will meet the GA criteria once the two minor grammar queries above are dealt with.
Dudley Miles (
talk)
22:07, 26 July 2015 (UTC)reply
The article could certainly be expanded for FA, but I think it is comprehensive enough for GA. And frankly, I think the other works on him are a) older b) offline and hard to access, in obscure Polish journals and such. Tazbir's work is the most known and accessible work on him, I believe - and probably the best overall (it is AFAK the newest work on him, and the only book-size biography). Thank you for your review and suggestions! --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus|
reply here13:26, 27 July 2015 (UTC)reply