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I have made the page a little more attractive (i think) and added Millar's Palmares. I also added some images I have of Robert riding.
-- Chisa12345 21:44, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
Hi,
The thing about none of Robert's teammates knowing about Robert's wedding or the fact he even had a gilrfriend is preposterous. Sylvie is actually Pascal Simon's sister in law so there were many, many articles in the French press (L'Equipe, Velo magazine) mentioning this as early as 1983... The whole cycling scene knew that Robert was dating Pascal's sister in law... Phil Anderson's comment is but a cheap joke that shouldn't be in the middle of a Wikipedia article.
Would anyone mind if I deleted the "today known as Phillipa York" part? I don't think tabloids are the most reliable sources. I mean...as far as I know, bat boy doesn't exist. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 74.72.53.76 ( talk) 04:49, July 9, 2007
Millar was the first British winner of a classification in a major tour (Giro, Tour, Vuelta) and not the only winner. Malcolm Elliott won the points jersey in the tour of spain circa 1990. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Barry Roubaix ( talk • contribs) 11:53, July 12, 2007.
There's a comment "Millar (right) with Laurent Fignon" at the top of the infobox which seems to imply an image that is no longer present. Can anyone please sort this out...?
-- R J Sutherland 18:37, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
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Per that policy, the article should still be at the name under which the subject gained notability. If her journalistic career ever outreaches her cycling career in notability, a move is appropriate, otherwise it is the name by which she gained fame, rather than the name that she chooses to use now, that best serves readers. Kevin McE ( talk) 19:02, 7 July 2017 (UTC)
So given the above, and that everyone in cycling knows who Pippa York is, why is this article still titled Robert Millar? I propose changing the title to Pippa York in 24 hours. Any objections? Dan100 ( Talk) 12:28, 13 July 2017 (UTC) Dan100 ( Talk) 12:28, 13 July 2017 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Moved. Consensus that reliable sources are predominantly using her new name, and that MOS:GENDERID applies as well. — Amakuru ( talk) 12:41, 14 July 2017 (UTC)
Robert Millar →
Philippa York – I am proposing this move because the subject has undergone gender reassignment and recently announced that they wish to be known by a different name, i.e., that they wish to assume a female identity. The article was moved to Philippa York earlier today, but has since been moved back with
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This is absolutely not a judgemental or critical comment, but shouldn't the gender references to Philippa be masculine when discussing the period before her transition? Obscurasky ( talk) 11:45, 23 July 2018 (UTC)
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When exactly did (s)he change from a male to a female: in or before last year, being 2017? Extremely sexy ( talk) 23:55, 28 July 2018 (UTC)
How could (s)he change this from "Millar" into "York", in doing so completely erasing the past? Extremely sexy ( talk) 23:55, 28 July 2018 (UTC)
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I have made the page a little more attractive (i think) and added Millar's Palmares. I also added some images I have of Robert riding.
-- Chisa12345 21:44, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
Hi,
The thing about none of Robert's teammates knowing about Robert's wedding or the fact he even had a gilrfriend is preposterous. Sylvie is actually Pascal Simon's sister in law so there were many, many articles in the French press (L'Equipe, Velo magazine) mentioning this as early as 1983... The whole cycling scene knew that Robert was dating Pascal's sister in law... Phil Anderson's comment is but a cheap joke that shouldn't be in the middle of a Wikipedia article.
Would anyone mind if I deleted the "today known as Phillipa York" part? I don't think tabloids are the most reliable sources. I mean...as far as I know, bat boy doesn't exist. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 74.72.53.76 ( talk) 04:49, July 9, 2007
Millar was the first British winner of a classification in a major tour (Giro, Tour, Vuelta) and not the only winner. Malcolm Elliott won the points jersey in the tour of spain circa 1990. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Barry Roubaix ( talk • contribs) 11:53, July 12, 2007.
There's a comment "Millar (right) with Laurent Fignon" at the top of the infobox which seems to imply an image that is no longer present. Can anyone please sort this out...?
-- R J Sutherland 18:37, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
Done
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Cheers.— cyberbot II Talk to my owner:Online 05:03, 29 February 2016 (UTC)
Per that policy, the article should still be at the name under which the subject gained notability. If her journalistic career ever outreaches her cycling career in notability, a move is appropriate, otherwise it is the name by which she gained fame, rather than the name that she chooses to use now, that best serves readers. Kevin McE ( talk) 19:02, 7 July 2017 (UTC)
So given the above, and that everyone in cycling knows who Pippa York is, why is this article still titled Robert Millar? I propose changing the title to Pippa York in 24 hours. Any objections? Dan100 ( Talk) 12:28, 13 July 2017 (UTC) Dan100 ( Talk) 12:28, 13 July 2017 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Moved. Consensus that reliable sources are predominantly using her new name, and that MOS:GENDERID applies as well. — Amakuru ( talk) 12:41, 14 July 2017 (UTC)
Robert Millar →
Philippa York – I am proposing this move because the subject has undergone gender reassignment and recently announced that they wish to be known by a different name, i.e., that they wish to assume a female identity. The article was moved to Philippa York earlier today, but has since been moved back with
WP:NAMECHANGE cited as the reason for doing so. As there is a precedent for moving these articles (see, for example,
Stephanie Hirst,
Chelsea Manning,
Kellie Maloney and
Caitlyn Jenner) then there should be no drama about moving this article as well. However, I'm making this request because of the move history.
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This is absolutely not a judgemental or critical comment, but shouldn't the gender references to Philippa be masculine when discussing the period before her transition? Obscurasky ( talk) 11:45, 23 July 2018 (UTC)
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When exactly did (s)he change from a male to a female: in or before last year, being 2017? Extremely sexy ( talk) 23:55, 28 July 2018 (UTC)
How could (s)he change this from "Millar" into "York", in doing so completely erasing the past? Extremely sexy ( talk) 23:55, 28 July 2018 (UTC)