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Could someone at least put a reference in to the "captain smirk" issue in this biography
how about http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/6961575.stm or http://www.theage.com.au/news/web/pms-staff-edited-wikipedia/2007/08/23/1187462443308.html?page=2 or http://www.abc.net.au/worldtoday/content/2007/s2014471.htm or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minor_characters_in_Monkey_Island#Captain_Smirk
But the main points are 1. a humours aside 2. a note about wikipedia its policies and vunerability —Preceding unsigned comment added by Chadnash ( talk • contribs) 12:00, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
I think the original poster had a valid point. In Canberra he was affectionatly known as Captain Smirk. I wasn't even aware the nickname stemmed from Wikipedia, but ask any Canberran who Captain Smirk is and they'll think you're an idiot, obviously it's Peter Costello! —Preceding
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Clarification - captain smirk did not originate on wikipedia. Timeshift ( talk) 05:36, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
I think it's disappointing that there isn't any reference to Costello as 'Captain Smirk', considering a Google search on Captain Smirk returns multiple article about the Costello. It’s an important part of political history considering PM&C was accused of editing out the reference of Wikipedia (see http://stilgherrian.com/politics/pm_edit_captain_smirk/) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.219.20.218 ( talk) 05:37, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
Well, in part I now agree with the views of not putting the name "Captain Smirk" on Wikipedia. However, this little exchange has taught me to pay more attention to the accuracy of articles hosted by Wikipedia and the politics, well, more policies, behind them.
Living in Canberra, it’s astonishing that the affectionate renaming of Peter Costello as 'Captain Smirk' could be questioned by anybody. I'm just so accustomed to it! Ask anybody here where Costello is now days, they’ll tell you “what Captain Smirk’s” doing. That’s just Canberra for you. That said, I can understand Wikipedia's policy & points of view and needing to find an original reference point.
In future, when researching articles of personal interest, I'll use Wikipedia as more of a secondary reference and try to use a broader range of media which may include ‘in jokes’ and inside knowledge.
Still love Wiki though :) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.219.20.218 ( talk) 08:32, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
I love it how there are still Liberal Party employees still protecting this page full time. I think its great that wikipedia allows it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Taksraven ( talk • contribs) 03:05, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
i wonder who keeps doing rude remarks about him although he isnt a minister so i think the honrable should go!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!—Preceding unsigned comment added by Montana Gy ( talk) 12 January 2008 (UTC)
"The Hon" at the start of his name needs to be removed as this term is reserved for current ministers. All politicians in opposition (even shadow ministers) do not have the title of The Honourable. Once a politician has finished there ministerial duty they loose the title.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.239.140.69 ( talk) 09:51, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
Two possibilities are Jens Jensen, who was dismissed as Minister for Trade and Customs in 1918 after a Royal Commission found that he had behaved corruptly, and Hugh Mahon, a former minister who was expelled from the House for sedition in 1920. Intelligent Mr Toad ( talk) 02:53, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
It might also be Andrew Theophanous, who as far as I know is the only federal "The Hon" to be sentenced to prison. Intelligent Mr Toad ( talk) 13:52, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
Well my sources including wikipedia article The Honourable say that the title is only for serving ministers. I have heard from a member of the house of representatives that the title is not for life. so you are wrong. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.239.140.69 ( talk) 11:29, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
I think Jack is correct. The 1987 Parliamentary Handbook records that Senator Glen Shiel was a member of the Executive Council for two days in 1977, but does not accord him the title "The Honourable." Intelligent Mr Toad ( talk) 08:59, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
"Well my sources including wikipedia article The Honourable say that the title is only for serving ministers." I definitely remember that John Howard for example had the Honourable title in his long period between Treasurer and Prime Minister. -- The Shadow Treasurer ( talk) 11:42, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
If/when The Howard Years puts transcripts up, it might be worth noting that Costello wanted to go further on aboriginal reconciliation (not just Costello said it, Peter Reith did too). Peter Ballard ( talk) 11:32, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
Cabinet decision stopped me in sorry walk: Costello. As good as any :) Timeshift ( talk) 11:48, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
I've removed the following from the artricle, and wanted to explain why:
In a review of the economic policies of the Howard Government published in January 2009, former Treasury Secretary John Stone concluded that Australia had enjoyed “twelve years of unparalleled prosperity” under the Howard Government. As evidence, Stone cites the following key statistics relating to the twelve-year period of the Howard Government:
Details of Costello's performance as Treasurer are relevant to this article, but the paragraph above relates to an opinion of the entire Howard Government, not Costello's performance. They don't of themselves necessarily tell us anything about Costllo, who is the subject of this article. If the paragraph is not meant to imply these were Costello's achivements only, then it is too peripheral to include in this page and would be better located at Howard Government. Secondly, it suffers froma point of view problem - John Stone is not a neutral commentator, and his views of the Howard Government should not necessarily be uncritically added to the article as fact. I'm not saying these statistics are right or wrong, only that the source is not independent of the subject, and alternative ones should be found.
In sumamry - the paragraph is not about the article subject, and would be better placed at the "Howard Government" page. Secondly, the source is not neutral and if these stats are to be used anywhere they need additional referencing.
As always, other views and opinions welcome. Euryalus ( talk) 07:15, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
Aside from being a value judgement, the claim that; "When this did not eventuate, he showed signs of frustration and was visibly disappointed when Howard announced, in July 2003, his intention to lead the government into the 2004 election." is not substantiated by any references, and it ought to be. If Costello really was "visibly disappointed" then that disappointment would have been easily observable at the time, not something miraculously revealed over 3 years later. This comment overreaches, and does not hold up to Wikipedia's fine standards.
Further, the entire section on Costello's Leadership Aspirations' is based primarily on allegations and hearsay, and this should be highlighted in the article. Costello never confirmed these claims, and they have never been substantiated with conclusive evidence. This should be highlighted in the article, particularly considering how much attention is placed on this part of the article in comparison to aspects of his actual career of which we have substantive factual evidence upon which to write. -- Gloryify ( talk) 08:40, 6 December 2013 (UTC)
I'm not sure how it managed to stay there undetected for so long, but i've replaced the copyright violation image with the previous allowed image. I do realise the photo is inferior but it's all we have. Timeshift ( talk) 23:58, 8 December 2013 (UTC)
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Could someone at least put a reference in to the "captain smirk" issue in this biography
how about http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/6961575.stm or http://www.theage.com.au/news/web/pms-staff-edited-wikipedia/2007/08/23/1187462443308.html?page=2 or http://www.abc.net.au/worldtoday/content/2007/s2014471.htm or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minor_characters_in_Monkey_Island#Captain_Smirk
But the main points are 1. a humours aside 2. a note about wikipedia its policies and vunerability —Preceding unsigned comment added by Chadnash ( talk • contribs) 12:00, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
I think the original poster had a valid point. In Canberra he was affectionatly known as Captain Smirk. I wasn't even aware the nickname stemmed from Wikipedia, but ask any Canberran who Captain Smirk is and they'll think you're an idiot, obviously it's Peter Costello! —Preceding
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Clarification - captain smirk did not originate on wikipedia. Timeshift ( talk) 05:36, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
I think it's disappointing that there isn't any reference to Costello as 'Captain Smirk', considering a Google search on Captain Smirk returns multiple article about the Costello. It’s an important part of political history considering PM&C was accused of editing out the reference of Wikipedia (see http://stilgherrian.com/politics/pm_edit_captain_smirk/) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.219.20.218 ( talk) 05:37, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
Well, in part I now agree with the views of not putting the name "Captain Smirk" on Wikipedia. However, this little exchange has taught me to pay more attention to the accuracy of articles hosted by Wikipedia and the politics, well, more policies, behind them.
Living in Canberra, it’s astonishing that the affectionate renaming of Peter Costello as 'Captain Smirk' could be questioned by anybody. I'm just so accustomed to it! Ask anybody here where Costello is now days, they’ll tell you “what Captain Smirk’s” doing. That’s just Canberra for you. That said, I can understand Wikipedia's policy & points of view and needing to find an original reference point.
In future, when researching articles of personal interest, I'll use Wikipedia as more of a secondary reference and try to use a broader range of media which may include ‘in jokes’ and inside knowledge.
Still love Wiki though :) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.219.20.218 ( talk) 08:32, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
I love it how there are still Liberal Party employees still protecting this page full time. I think its great that wikipedia allows it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Taksraven ( talk • contribs) 03:05, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
i wonder who keeps doing rude remarks about him although he isnt a minister so i think the honrable should go!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!—Preceding unsigned comment added by Montana Gy ( talk) 12 January 2008 (UTC)
"The Hon" at the start of his name needs to be removed as this term is reserved for current ministers. All politicians in opposition (even shadow ministers) do not have the title of The Honourable. Once a politician has finished there ministerial duty they loose the title.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.239.140.69 ( talk) 09:51, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
Two possibilities are Jens Jensen, who was dismissed as Minister for Trade and Customs in 1918 after a Royal Commission found that he had behaved corruptly, and Hugh Mahon, a former minister who was expelled from the House for sedition in 1920. Intelligent Mr Toad ( talk) 02:53, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
It might also be Andrew Theophanous, who as far as I know is the only federal "The Hon" to be sentenced to prison. Intelligent Mr Toad ( talk) 13:52, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
Well my sources including wikipedia article The Honourable say that the title is only for serving ministers. I have heard from a member of the house of representatives that the title is not for life. so you are wrong. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.239.140.69 ( talk) 11:29, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
I think Jack is correct. The 1987 Parliamentary Handbook records that Senator Glen Shiel was a member of the Executive Council for two days in 1977, but does not accord him the title "The Honourable." Intelligent Mr Toad ( talk) 08:59, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
"Well my sources including wikipedia article The Honourable say that the title is only for serving ministers." I definitely remember that John Howard for example had the Honourable title in his long period between Treasurer and Prime Minister. -- The Shadow Treasurer ( talk) 11:42, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
If/when The Howard Years puts transcripts up, it might be worth noting that Costello wanted to go further on aboriginal reconciliation (not just Costello said it, Peter Reith did too). Peter Ballard ( talk) 11:32, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
Cabinet decision stopped me in sorry walk: Costello. As good as any :) Timeshift ( talk) 11:48, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
I've removed the following from the artricle, and wanted to explain why:
In a review of the economic policies of the Howard Government published in January 2009, former Treasury Secretary John Stone concluded that Australia had enjoyed “twelve years of unparalleled prosperity” under the Howard Government. As evidence, Stone cites the following key statistics relating to the twelve-year period of the Howard Government:
Details of Costello's performance as Treasurer are relevant to this article, but the paragraph above relates to an opinion of the entire Howard Government, not Costello's performance. They don't of themselves necessarily tell us anything about Costllo, who is the subject of this article. If the paragraph is not meant to imply these were Costello's achivements only, then it is too peripheral to include in this page and would be better located at Howard Government. Secondly, it suffers froma point of view problem - John Stone is not a neutral commentator, and his views of the Howard Government should not necessarily be uncritically added to the article as fact. I'm not saying these statistics are right or wrong, only that the source is not independent of the subject, and alternative ones should be found.
In sumamry - the paragraph is not about the article subject, and would be better placed at the "Howard Government" page. Secondly, the source is not neutral and if these stats are to be used anywhere they need additional referencing.
As always, other views and opinions welcome. Euryalus ( talk) 07:15, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
Aside from being a value judgement, the claim that; "When this did not eventuate, he showed signs of frustration and was visibly disappointed when Howard announced, in July 2003, his intention to lead the government into the 2004 election." is not substantiated by any references, and it ought to be. If Costello really was "visibly disappointed" then that disappointment would have been easily observable at the time, not something miraculously revealed over 3 years later. This comment overreaches, and does not hold up to Wikipedia's fine standards.
Further, the entire section on Costello's Leadership Aspirations' is based primarily on allegations and hearsay, and this should be highlighted in the article. Costello never confirmed these claims, and they have never been substantiated with conclusive evidence. This should be highlighted in the article, particularly considering how much attention is placed on this part of the article in comparison to aspects of his actual career of which we have substantive factual evidence upon which to write. -- Gloryify ( talk) 08:40, 6 December 2013 (UTC)
I'm not sure how it managed to stay there undetected for so long, but i've replaced the copyright violation image with the previous allowed image. I do realise the photo is inferior but it's all we have. Timeshift ( talk) 23:58, 8 December 2013 (UTC)
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