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I was a delegate from NY pledged to Peter Camejo at the national Green Party convention. It was pretty clear that at that moment, Peter was a placeholder for Ralph Nader. - Mitchel Cohen Brooklyn Greens 71.190.16.173 ( talk) 22:39, 11 July 2019 (UTC)
There's evidence out there from multiple sources that suggests he was born in Venezuela ... but what's disturbing is the changes on the Web site of his company.
Yesterday, the information about him being born in Venezuela was removed from the site of Progressive Asset Management. However, it's cached on Yahoo and Google.
Compare those to how it looks now.
There has been some confusion as to Peter Camejo's birthplace, likely because he spent his earliest years growing up in Venezuela. I contacted Peter Camejo personally, and he assured me that he possesses a valid United States passport obtained on the proof of his birth certificate registered in the borough of Queens, New York.
Reverted some POV language from a partisan; the same was inserted into David Cobb as well. Several unproven statements made, including that a "majority of Greens" supported a Camejo campaign. Will attempt to come up with some better language in the near future, working with the partisan if necessary. - Scooter 03:53, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Even my minor, modest NPOVing gets reverted. [1] Cognition 2 July 2005 22:18 (UTC)
James, you don't support the LaRouche POV either, so it looks like you're arguing for the sake of it here, but to answer your question, these edits wouldn't have stuck no matter who had made them. The distinguishing feature of a LaRouche supporter is that they seem almost incapable of making edits that don't reflect a LaRouche POV, and they are here for that sole purpose; not here in the interests of WP, or because they want to make honest contributions, but here to reflect the views of a political cult. That is what's unacceptable about it. SlimVirgin (talk) July 5, 2005 13:00 (UTC)
For most of his life, Camejo has purported to participate in political movements advocating social, economic, and environmental justice. He makes the claim that he marched with Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. in Selma, Alabama, rallied with migrant farm workers, and protested the Vietnam War.
I added a section called "political criticism of Peter Camejo"I hope it is written with npov.
Also corrected the birth information; from the story Peter has told publically about his birth in New York, that his mother flew in to have him for good health care and specifically, to give him the American birthright. Hank chapot 01:34, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
You are misinformed.
I did not call the ISO fringe or anything, all that stuff about trotskyite, etc. was the work of another green critic. I even came along after and struck a few of his more obvious insults. I do not log in as anything except my own name (except once or twice when I forgot to sign-in) so my contributions and my edits are there for you to reads and for me to defend. I am critical of Peter but if you look closely, I tried to stick to NPOV as much as is humanly possilbe, and if you look close you will see which of my criticisms have stayed even in this controversial part of the bio. I notice, whoever you are, you are not signing your name. Hank chapot 22:19, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
P.S. I still think the link to the article critical of the convention process is not relevent to a criticism of Peter.
And, in the interest of full disclosure, I am not now nor have I ever been a Cobb supporter, I never liked the guy, I opposed his candidacy and I wrote in Ralph in 2004. hc
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Dear BOV, if you want to tone it down, go forth and prosper. the webpage on Camejo was a puff piece. A little criticism is warranted. And if Green activists want to argue over the Camejo page on wikipedia, well, that's our loss. The split is so wide that critiquing Peter is nothing compared to the bigger issues. If we just focus on the positives, we get all slaphappy and loving while endorsing denial of the issues.
If you've been upset by by the criticism you've seen here, the previous criticisms, I suggest you take two aspirins and lie down; politics is not worth that kind of pain.
And if you are a conspiracy theorist, then you are a total loser because much of this stuff, including my decision to criticize Peter Camejo, is the result of a remarkable set of coincindences. Namely, he has decided to run for Governor again.
hc
somebody is demanding for facts that I have not seen ordinarily requested in other Wikipedia entries, that I am familiar with.
I hav a fifteen year old archives called, California Green Archives. The facts are resting quietly there. It is available to any and all scholars who wish to do research, call me at 510-654-5311.
Hank C.
I fixed the Reagan citation because Peter is proud of it and though it may be apocryphal, he tells it to any interviewer who asks.
Second, the fact that the Progressive Alliance was a failure is obvious by its disappearance from the scene when Camejo's money ran out. The information about the PAAC is stored in my archives which is publically available and funded by the state party.
Arguments about Peter's leadership style are recorded in the archives of the Green Party National abd state Committee discussion list. That he did not inform most California Green primary voters of his "stand-in" campaign is likewise archived in the ca-grn-org discussion list, that the GDI is considered a polarizing force was not my contribution, but I agree with it and the argument are also recorded on the Ca greens discuussion list.
My goal here is to establish that some of Camejo's activities are problematic, if you want to call me on citations, then I will seek out the references for them. Notice the ones that stand up to your petty scrutiny. 03:24, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
P.s. who is we?
What is your deadline? Hank chapot 02:46, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
Go ahead and edit, be bold.
I removed the tag on the top since there is one further down on the criticisms section Bov 20:09, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
how does one post legitimate criticisms of a person from recognized sources without the post having a point of view? Espercially if the post is under a heading, Political Criticisma of X? I included sourced material. 00:10, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
Is all of the ranting regarding the GPUS presidential selection process relevant to this section? This seems like a separate issue, that may perhaps warrant its own article, since at least one book has been published regarding it since. In this section a reference to the controversy and how it affected Camejo and his supporters would suffice, in my opinion. - Banyan 11:31, 24 Jan 2007
Peter did not "establish" the GDI. He was one of many who worked in concert to create it.
The "diminishing returns" chart appears to be a case of post hoc ergo propter hoc, and it stands alone in no relation to any explanatory content in the article. I say remove it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 163.231.6.66 ( talk) 15:07, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
I undid the edit that added "There is a web page, called political riticism of Peter Camejo at; <ref>http://www.experiencefestival.com/peter_camejo_-_political_criticism_of_peter_camejo</ref>." I undid it not because I didn't think this link belongs in the article but because it was "bare," without much useful context. Plus, it was written in a spamvertising way. davidwr/( talk)/( contribs)/( e-mail) 03:38, 26 November 2008 (UTC)
This article has gotten somewhat disorganized (eg Camejo's VP candidacy a subtopic under gubernatorial runs, book authorship under GP controversy, etc). I'm going to take a stab at reorganizing it. Jlundell ( talk) 18:13, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
IDEA PAC is not defunct, and in fact its official name has not changed; registration info here.
I went through all the gubernatorial elections back to 1946 looking at third-party candidates. I linked only the 1946 high, but the other results are available at the appropriate pages. Ed Clark received 5.5% in 1978, but as an independent, not as a third-party candidate (he ran for president in 1980 as a Libertarian). -- Jlundell ( talk) 19:01, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
I removed one of the two unsourced "some Greens" references in the 'conflict' section, on the grounds that it hadn't been fixed in more than a year, and didn't really add anything to the bio. Maybe, with proper sourcing, it could make an interesting addition to one of the GP articles proper. Trouble is, "some Greens" believe X for just about any X.
I intend to remove the other unsourced 'Some Greens" sentence as well, on the same grounds, unless someone cares to make it a little more specific and relevant to this article. -- Jlundell ( talk) 19:56, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
I updated the survivors bit, citing CounterPunch's version of the AP obit. It omits Camejo's grandchildren and is more specific about the first-order relations.
However, it really seems to me that a "survived by" section is more appropriate to an obit than a bio, and I question leaving it in the article at all. -- Jlundell ( talk) 19:56, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
Please discuss significant changes. A recent edits, that's been re-made repeatedly, seems to fail several Wikipedia policies. However some accomodation may be made if we can discuss the matter. Will Beback talk 20:04, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
I appreciate the need for protection, but under the circumstances, wouldn't it be worth trying semi-protection first? -- Jlundell ( talk) 01:06, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
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I was a delegate from NY pledged to Peter Camejo at the national Green Party convention. It was pretty clear that at that moment, Peter was a placeholder for Ralph Nader. - Mitchel Cohen Brooklyn Greens 71.190.16.173 ( talk) 22:39, 11 July 2019 (UTC)
There's evidence out there from multiple sources that suggests he was born in Venezuela ... but what's disturbing is the changes on the Web site of his company.
Yesterday, the information about him being born in Venezuela was removed from the site of Progressive Asset Management. However, it's cached on Yahoo and Google.
Compare those to how it looks now.
There has been some confusion as to Peter Camejo's birthplace, likely because he spent his earliest years growing up in Venezuela. I contacted Peter Camejo personally, and he assured me that he possesses a valid United States passport obtained on the proof of his birth certificate registered in the borough of Queens, New York.
Reverted some POV language from a partisan; the same was inserted into David Cobb as well. Several unproven statements made, including that a "majority of Greens" supported a Camejo campaign. Will attempt to come up with some better language in the near future, working with the partisan if necessary. - Scooter 03:53, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Even my minor, modest NPOVing gets reverted. [1] Cognition 2 July 2005 22:18 (UTC)
James, you don't support the LaRouche POV either, so it looks like you're arguing for the sake of it here, but to answer your question, these edits wouldn't have stuck no matter who had made them. The distinguishing feature of a LaRouche supporter is that they seem almost incapable of making edits that don't reflect a LaRouche POV, and they are here for that sole purpose; not here in the interests of WP, or because they want to make honest contributions, but here to reflect the views of a political cult. That is what's unacceptable about it. SlimVirgin (talk) July 5, 2005 13:00 (UTC)
For most of his life, Camejo has purported to participate in political movements advocating social, economic, and environmental justice. He makes the claim that he marched with Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. in Selma, Alabama, rallied with migrant farm workers, and protested the Vietnam War.
I added a section called "political criticism of Peter Camejo"I hope it is written with npov.
Also corrected the birth information; from the story Peter has told publically about his birth in New York, that his mother flew in to have him for good health care and specifically, to give him the American birthright. Hank chapot 01:34, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
You are misinformed.
I did not call the ISO fringe or anything, all that stuff about trotskyite, etc. was the work of another green critic. I even came along after and struck a few of his more obvious insults. I do not log in as anything except my own name (except once or twice when I forgot to sign-in) so my contributions and my edits are there for you to reads and for me to defend. I am critical of Peter but if you look closely, I tried to stick to NPOV as much as is humanly possilbe, and if you look close you will see which of my criticisms have stayed even in this controversial part of the bio. I notice, whoever you are, you are not signing your name. Hank chapot 22:19, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
P.S. I still think the link to the article critical of the convention process is not relevent to a criticism of Peter.
And, in the interest of full disclosure, I am not now nor have I ever been a Cobb supporter, I never liked the guy, I opposed his candidacy and I wrote in Ralph in 2004. hc
From Hank Chapot, hchapot@igc.org, 510 654.5311
Dear BOV, if you want to tone it down, go forth and prosper. the webpage on Camejo was a puff piece. A little criticism is warranted. And if Green activists want to argue over the Camejo page on wikipedia, well, that's our loss. The split is so wide that critiquing Peter is nothing compared to the bigger issues. If we just focus on the positives, we get all slaphappy and loving while endorsing denial of the issues.
If you've been upset by by the criticism you've seen here, the previous criticisms, I suggest you take two aspirins and lie down; politics is not worth that kind of pain.
And if you are a conspiracy theorist, then you are a total loser because much of this stuff, including my decision to criticize Peter Camejo, is the result of a remarkable set of coincindences. Namely, he has decided to run for Governor again.
hc
somebody is demanding for facts that I have not seen ordinarily requested in other Wikipedia entries, that I am familiar with.
I hav a fifteen year old archives called, California Green Archives. The facts are resting quietly there. It is available to any and all scholars who wish to do research, call me at 510-654-5311.
Hank C.
I fixed the Reagan citation because Peter is proud of it and though it may be apocryphal, he tells it to any interviewer who asks.
Second, the fact that the Progressive Alliance was a failure is obvious by its disappearance from the scene when Camejo's money ran out. The information about the PAAC is stored in my archives which is publically available and funded by the state party.
Arguments about Peter's leadership style are recorded in the archives of the Green Party National abd state Committee discussion list. That he did not inform most California Green primary voters of his "stand-in" campaign is likewise archived in the ca-grn-org discussion list, that the GDI is considered a polarizing force was not my contribution, but I agree with it and the argument are also recorded on the Ca greens discuussion list.
My goal here is to establish that some of Camejo's activities are problematic, if you want to call me on citations, then I will seek out the references for them. Notice the ones that stand up to your petty scrutiny. 03:24, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
P.s. who is we?
What is your deadline? Hank chapot 02:46, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
Go ahead and edit, be bold.
I removed the tag on the top since there is one further down on the criticisms section Bov 20:09, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
how does one post legitimate criticisms of a person from recognized sources without the post having a point of view? Espercially if the post is under a heading, Political Criticisma of X? I included sourced material. 00:10, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
Is all of the ranting regarding the GPUS presidential selection process relevant to this section? This seems like a separate issue, that may perhaps warrant its own article, since at least one book has been published regarding it since. In this section a reference to the controversy and how it affected Camejo and his supporters would suffice, in my opinion. - Banyan 11:31, 24 Jan 2007
Peter did not "establish" the GDI. He was one of many who worked in concert to create it.
The "diminishing returns" chart appears to be a case of post hoc ergo propter hoc, and it stands alone in no relation to any explanatory content in the article. I say remove it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 163.231.6.66 ( talk) 15:07, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
I undid the edit that added "There is a web page, called political riticism of Peter Camejo at; <ref>http://www.experiencefestival.com/peter_camejo_-_political_criticism_of_peter_camejo</ref>." I undid it not because I didn't think this link belongs in the article but because it was "bare," without much useful context. Plus, it was written in a spamvertising way. davidwr/( talk)/( contribs)/( e-mail) 03:38, 26 November 2008 (UTC)
This article has gotten somewhat disorganized (eg Camejo's VP candidacy a subtopic under gubernatorial runs, book authorship under GP controversy, etc). I'm going to take a stab at reorganizing it. Jlundell ( talk) 18:13, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
IDEA PAC is not defunct, and in fact its official name has not changed; registration info here.
I went through all the gubernatorial elections back to 1946 looking at third-party candidates. I linked only the 1946 high, but the other results are available at the appropriate pages. Ed Clark received 5.5% in 1978, but as an independent, not as a third-party candidate (he ran for president in 1980 as a Libertarian). -- Jlundell ( talk) 19:01, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
I removed one of the two unsourced "some Greens" references in the 'conflict' section, on the grounds that it hadn't been fixed in more than a year, and didn't really add anything to the bio. Maybe, with proper sourcing, it could make an interesting addition to one of the GP articles proper. Trouble is, "some Greens" believe X for just about any X.
I intend to remove the other unsourced 'Some Greens" sentence as well, on the same grounds, unless someone cares to make it a little more specific and relevant to this article. -- Jlundell ( talk) 19:56, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
I updated the survivors bit, citing CounterPunch's version of the AP obit. It omits Camejo's grandchildren and is more specific about the first-order relations.
However, it really seems to me that a "survived by" section is more appropriate to an obit than a bio, and I question leaving it in the article at all. -- Jlundell ( talk) 19:56, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
Please discuss significant changes. A recent edits, that's been re-made repeatedly, seems to fail several Wikipedia policies. However some accomodation may be made if we can discuss the matter. Will Beback talk 20:04, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
I appreciate the need for protection, but under the circumstances, wouldn't it be worth trying semi-protection first? -- Jlundell ( talk) 01:06, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
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