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Why is a major article on the Persian Empire unfinished and from a single source? Is it cuz you're all arguing over stupid things?-- Weasel tango ( talk) 22:31, 18 June 2018 (UTC)
OMG, I was thinking the same thing why tf is this so short also; correct me if I'm wrong but shouldn't the Parthians be mentioned SOMEWHERE ???!??!?!?
polling google books,
now of course this blind polling includes all sort of abysmal literature, but it can be taken to show that "post-Sassanid historic Iran more generally" is an existing, albeit marginal of the order of a few percent, application of the term "Persian Empire" in "literature" in the most general sense. Enough to link history of Iran on this disambiguation page, but hardly enough to argue that "Persian Empire" refers to historic Iran generally in any significant, let alone primary, sense. -- dab (𒁳) 14:17, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
The result of the move request was no consensus. @ harej 03:45, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
Persian Empire (disambiguation) →
Persian empire — Persian empire redirects to this disambiguation page, which makes no sense. There is no need for a separate page with the word disambiguation needed then.
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I think "Persian Empire" and "Persian empire" should redirect to History of Iran, I've pointed that out in the RfC at Talk:Persian Empire. 76.66.197.30 ( talk) 04:51, 7 October 2009 (UTC)
This change which you have made on many articles as of today, aka changing Persian Empire into Greater Iran, [1] is wrong. Greater Iran is an ethno-cultural region, and absolutely not the same as the Persian Empire (!). The concept is in some limited way related to it, but absolutely not the same. How did you even come up with it to change all of it just like that? :-) I hope you are able to revert all changes back through the same way you added it. That saves a lot of effort..
Bests - LouisAragon ( talk) 03:52, 10 December 2015 (UTC)
Just a drive-by comment, but if you're making changes with AWB running in bot-mode, then you should be able to point to a discussion that approved those edits. Wbm1058 ( talk) 04:37, 10 December 2015 (UTC)
Thank you for at least unlinking the Greater Iran link. A further issue is, is that you've done that initial change (idk, looking at my watchlist) for maybe hundreds of articles, making it therefore impossible for me to go through all that and to give the exactly correct link. I agree that links are not a definite must have, but I'm convinced having Persian Empire as a link was still better than having no link at all. - LouisAragon ( talk) 06:20, 10 December 2015 (UTC)
( talk page stalker) Wikilinks shouldn't go to disambiguation pages. Since " Persian Empire" usually refers to the First Persian Empire (550–330 BC), I suggest that the dab link be replaced with that, rather than with Greater Iran. (I'm suggesting that the wording be First Persian Empire rather than Achaemenid Empire, based on the principle of least astonishment/confusion.) Softlavender ( talk) 12:46, 10 December 2015 (UTC)
Is this a list of all Persian dynasties in that covered the Greater Iran area, including Iran proper, or that were based directly in what is now modern Iran proper? I think the former would work better, since you have dynasties such as Khwarazm that consisted of the entire Greater Iran area, and is often called "Persia" in reliable sources. I think that this list should be a list of dynastic empires called "Persia," not a list of dynastic empire called "Persia" that were politically centered in Iran proper. If I'm looking for "Persian Empire," I want to find a Persian Empire, and, in this case, if there were many, I want to find empires that were called Persian, and not limit it to empires that were based in Iran proper only.-- 3family6 ( Talk to me | See what I have done) 16:25, 18 December 2015 (UTC)
I can't find a reference cited Median empire as a persian empire
Are there any sources indicate the Median empire as a persian empire ?
Some help please--
Anẓar (
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15:24, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
How does it come that the Parthian Empire is listed in "Persian" Empires? Any sources? CengÎzolî 09:58, 07 October 2016 (UTC).
1. The leads says:
However, are there any sources to confirm the term Persian Empire for these entries?
Seleucid Empire,
Seljuk Empire,
Timurid Empire and etc.
2. Article only uses one source and it needs several improvements. --
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It is clear that this is a ethnic page and list. There were comments that there was no ethnic page. There is a page on which this opinion is described. List of monarchs of Persia. List of monarchs of Persia, This is the page trying to be told. An ethnic page and list, Non-Persian dynasties and empires cannot be added to this list and page. It is deceptive and misleading. Is misleading the readers. To give an example; [4]. Please watch the sample video and see with your own eyes how people are misguided. This page is the source shown in the video. Unfortunately, it is clear that the page has become a nationalistic page. I remove the Non-Persian dynasties and states from the list when everything is so clear.-- Halil Can ( talk) 10:48, 18 November 2016 (UTC)
The article uses the abbreviation "A.K.A." when describing the alternative name for Persia, Iran. Rather than using this abbreviation, it would be more proficient to write "also known as."
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I wish to add the Parthian Empire (247 BC–224 AD) /info/en/?search=Parthian_Empire as one of the listed empires, as well as include a globe as a visual aid to show the farthest extent of the empire's borders, like the other listed empires. CascatheBrash ( talk) 00:51, 21 March 2018 (UTC)
We really should conform dates to CE and BCE rather than AD and BC. Even though they mean the same thing we should avoid the Christian references. David Cary Hart ( talk) 17:39, 21 October 2018 (UTC)
One of the problems with the acronyms CE (Common Era) and BCE (Before the Common Era) is that the initial'C' can be read as 'Christian', converting CE into 'Christian Era' and BCE into 'Before the Christian Era'. Are they really an improvement? Can there not be something better? Such as Modern Era, or Universal Era, or International Era? O Murr ( talk) 05:32, 9 April 2019 (UTC)
Looking at that article's map, should it be added, or was it not really Persian? --Comment by Selfie City ( talk about my contributions) 23:50, 30 March 2019 (UTC)
There's a reason the Sasanian Empire is called the Second Persian Empire, what does that make the Parthian Empire? The 1.5 Persian Empire? Stop adding it to this article, thanks. -- HistoryofIran ( talk) 12:54, 18 April 2019 (UTC)
@HistoryofIran
"Iranian and Persian are not synonyms (Persia was in reality a province in southern Iran, not the name of a country"
This is SO incorrect it's mind-boggling. How dare you call your username 'History of Iran' when you don't even know the basics? Iran = Persia, and Persia = Iran, DEFINITIVELY. Within Persia/Iran, the Persians/Iranians were always known as 'Iranian' or 'Aryan' to themselves. It was the Greeks and Romans and other outside entities who called the land "Persia", in reference to the province of 'Pars' (today called 'Fars'), because the first great emperor of Persia/Iran (Cyrus the Great) was born and raised in Pars, so this region became the culture's namesake. For thousands of years, Iranians/Persians have used the names "Persia" and "Iran" interchangeably. The only caveat is that in 1935, the government under the shah, Reza Shah Pahlavi, officiated the country's name as "Iran" instead of "Persia" for everyone to use, whether internally by the citizens or externally by the other countries of the world. Then, again in 1979, the official name was changed from "Iran" to "The Islamic Republic of Iran", due to the new government administration. So, in essence, from 1935 until the present day, "Persian" refers to Iran as a whole, as country, culture, etc., anytime before the year 1935, but today it also refers to the ethnicity of "Persian", meaning any member of this native ethnic group who has stuck around this region since the dawning of the original first Persian Empire (Achaemenid Empire) under Cyrus the Great.
tl;dr "Iran" and "Persia" are essentially interchangeable, and the Parthian Empire was ABSOLUTELY a Persian Empire. — Preceding unsigned comment added by CascatheBrash ( talk • contribs) 16:05, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
“Pretty sure I know”?? This is the criteria? Where are YOUR references?
Here’s one of mine. WIKIPEDIA:
“The Parthian Empire (/ˈpɑːrθiən/; 247 BC – 224 AD), also known as the Arsacid Empire (/ˈɑːrsəsɪd/),[9] was a major Iranian political and cultural power in ancient Iran.”
IRAN = PERSIA
PERSIA = IRAN
Here’s more reference to the official name change from Persia to Iran in 1935. Why would the Iranians recognize this as such a monumental event if they only ever considered themselves under the words “Iran” and “Iranian”?
From the Wikipedia page ‘Name of Iran’
“In the Western world, Persia (or one of its cognates) was historically the common name for Iran.[1] On the Nowruz of 1935, Reza Shah asked foreign delegates to use the term Iran, the endonym of the country, in formal correspondence. Subsequently, the common adjective for citizens of Iran changed from Persian to Iranian. In 1959, the government of Mohammad Reza Shah, Reza Shah's son, announced that both "Persia" and "Iran" can be used interchangeably, in formal correspondence.[2] ”
Here’s the article referenced by the [2]:
Please NEVER make any more decisions about Persia/Iran articles again on Wikipedia, since you are clearly disgraced by the obliteration of your credibility at this point.
Just because the Parthians (originally Parni) weren’t ethnic Persians doesn’t mean their empire was not Persian.
First of all, the Parni were closer in ethnicity and culture than any non-Persian dynasty or empire within Greater Iran (Greek, Arab, Mongol, Turk, etc.). The Parthians were an Indo-Iranian (and, remember, before the year 1935, IRANIAN = PERSIAN, PERSIAN = IRANIAN. Yes, Persian is a specific Iranian ethnicity, but it more generally means ‘of the native culture and history of Iran/Persia’) nomadic tribe [1] “Parthia was overrun by the Parni, a nomad tribe from the Central-Asian steppe.” (like the Persians originally were),The Parthians spoke Persian [1] “Courtiers spoke Persian and used the Pahlavi script”, and modeled their empire heavily on the Achaemenid Empire. [1] “Another source of inspiration was the Achaemenid dynasty that had once ruled the Persian Empire...the Arsacid kings wanted to be called -as Cyrus the Great had ordered his subjects to do in the sixth century- ‘king of kings’.” They intentionally made their empire as ‘Persian’ as possible, unlike other empires or dynasties thus mentioned which (barring perhaps Alexander’s Empire) tried to force their will to change the configuration of power and culture within the region. Also unlike the empires and dynasties of Alexander or Timurlane or whatever other non-Persian dynasties, Iranians today look back on the Parthian Empire and consider it within the same canon of Persian-run, Persian-cultured Persian empires. [2]
Iranians consider Parthians to be Iranian! Parthians (together with Persians and Medians) were one of the main groups of Indo-Iranians who entered Iranian plateau in ancient times, and their empire is counted as one of the four Iranian empires before Islam. Their empire is called ‘Ashkani’ by Iranians or Arsacid in English after the name each emperor used upon coronation: Arsaces I,Arsaces II …. Even though they had some Greek influence(like most peoples of western Asia in those days) Iranian culture and religion had a revival and comeback during their time, furthermore during the centuries following Arab conquest of Iran it was Parthians who retained and safeguarded Iranian culture until it could reemerge under a more politically open conditions in Iranian Intermezzo.”
[1] Jona Lendering, “Parthian Empire”, http://www.iranchamber.com/history/parthians/parthians.php
[2] Mohamad Karimi, response to “Do Persians consider the Parthian empire to be a Persian dynasty, or foreign overlords?”, https://www.quora.com/Do-Persians-consider-the-Parthian-empire-to-be-a-Persian-dynasty-or-foreign-overlords
Finally, what’s with this nonsense of “X didn’t call themselves Y, therefore not Y”? I’m ‘pretty sure’ the Ancient Greeks referred to themselves as “Hellenes” and not “Greeks”. That means they’re not Greek, right?
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Why nobody ever tried to write a proper article for this very important article? Something like Roman Empire, which also covers a lot of dynasties. Aryzad ( talk) 20:42, 19 June 2019 (UTC)
@ LouisAragon: Can you explain with more details? which parts you are talking about? Aryzad ( talk) 13:55, 1 July 2019 (UTC)
Persian empire neanderthels and caucasian came from europe they migrated from europe and came to persia and then became persians and now conquered by muslim to form iranians who became parsis totravel to india means persians muslims parsis and indian are different and as suchthere was no caucassian war in persia since zoreaster left and muslims invaded and got settled inpersia and became iran since then no war in persia and acheneimid empire wasnt in persia it was in europe in alexander first and achaneimid was given to search maps of countries of globes. Amita samant ( talk) 06:01, 14 October 2019 (UTC)
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Completely wrong article 49.199.219.97 ( talk) 13:36, 21 December 2019 (UTC)
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The Parthian Empire should be included in the list of bullet points. Should look like:
Parthian Empire (247 BC–224 AD)
It should be listed after the Achaemenid Empire (550–330 BC) and before the Sasanian Empire (224–651 AD). The Parthian Empire is a VERY important empire in Iran's history and must be included.
There should also be another globe image visualization, maybe in baby blue, that shows the full extent of the empire's borders, as seen here:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f1/Parthian_Empire_at_its_greatest_extent_%28geographical%29.jpg CascatheBrash ( talk) 19:53, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
Oh, yes it is! "PARTHIAN" as in referencing the province of "PARS" (today called 'Fars'), I.E. PERSIAN. The word "Persian" itself comes from "Pars". The 'Par' in PARTHIAN comes from the same word origin, "Pars". Who died and make you King Historian of Iran? You are WRONG, the Parthian Empire was not only indisputably a PERSIAN Empire, it was one of the most important, whose cultural influences are still felt to this day in Iran. — Preceding
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This Page Should Be Titled as " Iranian Empire(S)" , Instead of 'Persian Empires'.
Also Why there is No Mentions for Median Empire ????
As Well As there should be A Description for Non-Iranian Polity and foreign political Bodies like :
1- Greek Seleucid Empire As well As Macedonian Empire .
2-Mongol Empire and Subsequent Ilkhanate .
3- The Seljuk Empire which were followed By Timurid Empire , Mention it is critical one because The Timurid preceded the Safavid Dynasty and laid its foundation !!!
If This Page 'Meant' Exclusively for Persian political bodies , than Why not Building A Separate Page For "Iranian" Empires ??? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 149.147.30.114 ( talk) 19:52, 22 August 2020 (UTC)
Based on the information from users like HistoryofIran, the Parthian Empire is not included in this list of Perisan Empires b/c they were from Parthia, not Persia proper. Then, may I ask, why are the Safavids, Afsharids, Zands, Qajars, and Pahlavis included here? The Safavids were Kurds, Afsharids and Qajars were Oghuz Turks, Zands were Lurs, and Pahlavis were from Mazandaran. None of these dynasties are from Persia proper like the Achaemenids and the Sassanids, but yet they are included in here, while the Parthians are excluded. Can somebody clarify a reason for this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.40.128.86 ( talk) 18:10, 2 October 2020 (UTC)
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Change title from "Persian Empire" to "Iranian Empire".
Justification:
Three out of five of the dynasties covered by the article were not Persian. The Selucids were Greek, Parthians were Parthian and Safavids were Azeri. The umbrella term Iranian is both the prefered name for them in modern Persian and has been since antiquity. While the country was refered to as Persia in old European maps, this too has been rectified for over a century. In other words, all Persian Empires are considered Iranian but not all Iranian Empires were necesserily Persian.
To put things in perspective, the current title is comparable to calling the Spanish Empire "Castillian", The British Empire "English" and the French Empire "Parisian". PouyalePers ( talk) 15:56, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
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its one of the raciest and worst articles i have ever seen in my life .... afshar and qacar and safavid were turks not persians . they were turks and ruled in iran . Karmida ( talk) 19:22, 24 October 2020 (UTC)
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apparently this page has been the target of vandalism as they removed the whole content and redirected the whole page to another page . i humbly ask the wikipedia to revert back the content to this revision and remove the redirect from it. https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Persian_Empire&oldid=990651513 and lock the whole page so no one else can vandalise it, this is an important page as it contain unique and important information about persian history. thanks in adance HHeidary98 ( talk) 16:52, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
i know exactly what vandalism is ,you might wanna look up what merging is before throwing the term around!! cause i dont see any merge here . they are simply removed! beside these two topics doesn't need merging, they both contain their respective information which defer from one another. this topic contain unique information which was vandalised and need to be fixed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by HHeidary98 ( talk • contribs) 17:51, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
decent and consequent graphical map of each dynasty territorial might is one for example. actualy you are a clear case of WP:JDLI and not me, otherwise i dont see why you would try to vandalise a country's history. you keep making made-up allegation and claims against me while those allegation in fact apply and suit yourself and not me. first you said they are merged while in fact they are not and these 2 topics does not need merging AT ALL! then you said i am a cse of WP:JDLI while in fact this apply to yourself.i have nothing more to say to vandaliser such as you. something have been vandalised and i want it fixed thats all.
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12:42, 18 December 2020 (UTC)nope they are not there at all. you obviously do not understand how reporting works! you are the one who deleted content and vandalised something and i'm the one objecting to it — Preceding unsigned comment added by HHeidary98 ( talk • contribs)
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No admin action needed here. As Melmann stated above, please work to form a consensus before submitting an edit request. To form a consensus you need to work nicely together so please stop throwing accusations around and start to comply with the fundamental pillars of Wikipedia, namely in this case assume good faith. Also HHeidary98, please sign your posts. Waggers TALK 13:26, 18 December 2020 (UTC)
i'm sorry but how should i assume good faith with someone who is intentionaly vandalising and actualy removing the whole content? you're kidding right?
i just joined wikipedia yesterday to object to this , in case wikipedia doesn't wanna fix this i doubt there's much i can do but you guys need to take a stricter policy against vandalism! otherwise "IT WILL" be cited that wikipedia "IS SUPPORTING" vandalism acts against countries/ethnic groups with political/social goals.
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Why is a major article on the Persian Empire unfinished and from a single source? Is it cuz you're all arguing over stupid things?-- Weasel tango ( talk) 22:31, 18 June 2018 (UTC)
OMG, I was thinking the same thing why tf is this so short also; correct me if I'm wrong but shouldn't the Parthians be mentioned SOMEWHERE ???!??!?!?
polling google books,
now of course this blind polling includes all sort of abysmal literature, but it can be taken to show that "post-Sassanid historic Iran more generally" is an existing, albeit marginal of the order of a few percent, application of the term "Persian Empire" in "literature" in the most general sense. Enough to link history of Iran on this disambiguation page, but hardly enough to argue that "Persian Empire" refers to historic Iran generally in any significant, let alone primary, sense. -- dab (𒁳) 14:17, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
The result of the move request was no consensus. @ harej 03:45, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
Persian Empire (disambiguation) →
Persian empire — Persian empire redirects to this disambiguation page, which makes no sense. There is no need for a separate page with the word disambiguation needed then.
warrior
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I think "Persian Empire" and "Persian empire" should redirect to History of Iran, I've pointed that out in the RfC at Talk:Persian Empire. 76.66.197.30 ( talk) 04:51, 7 October 2009 (UTC)
This change which you have made on many articles as of today, aka changing Persian Empire into Greater Iran, [1] is wrong. Greater Iran is an ethno-cultural region, and absolutely not the same as the Persian Empire (!). The concept is in some limited way related to it, but absolutely not the same. How did you even come up with it to change all of it just like that? :-) I hope you are able to revert all changes back through the same way you added it. That saves a lot of effort..
Bests - LouisAragon ( talk) 03:52, 10 December 2015 (UTC)
Just a drive-by comment, but if you're making changes with AWB running in bot-mode, then you should be able to point to a discussion that approved those edits. Wbm1058 ( talk) 04:37, 10 December 2015 (UTC)
Thank you for at least unlinking the Greater Iran link. A further issue is, is that you've done that initial change (idk, looking at my watchlist) for maybe hundreds of articles, making it therefore impossible for me to go through all that and to give the exactly correct link. I agree that links are not a definite must have, but I'm convinced having Persian Empire as a link was still better than having no link at all. - LouisAragon ( talk) 06:20, 10 December 2015 (UTC)
( talk page stalker) Wikilinks shouldn't go to disambiguation pages. Since " Persian Empire" usually refers to the First Persian Empire (550–330 BC), I suggest that the dab link be replaced with that, rather than with Greater Iran. (I'm suggesting that the wording be First Persian Empire rather than Achaemenid Empire, based on the principle of least astonishment/confusion.) Softlavender ( talk) 12:46, 10 December 2015 (UTC)
Is this a list of all Persian dynasties in that covered the Greater Iran area, including Iran proper, or that were based directly in what is now modern Iran proper? I think the former would work better, since you have dynasties such as Khwarazm that consisted of the entire Greater Iran area, and is often called "Persia" in reliable sources. I think that this list should be a list of dynastic empires called "Persia," not a list of dynastic empire called "Persia" that were politically centered in Iran proper. If I'm looking for "Persian Empire," I want to find a Persian Empire, and, in this case, if there were many, I want to find empires that were called Persian, and not limit it to empires that were based in Iran proper only.-- 3family6 ( Talk to me | See what I have done) 16:25, 18 December 2015 (UTC)
I can't find a reference cited Median empire as a persian empire
Are there any sources indicate the Median empire as a persian empire ?
Some help please--
Anẓar (
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15:24, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
How does it come that the Parthian Empire is listed in "Persian" Empires? Any sources? CengÎzolî 09:58, 07 October 2016 (UTC).
1. The leads says:
However, are there any sources to confirm the term Persian Empire for these entries?
Seleucid Empire,
Seljuk Empire,
Timurid Empire and etc.
2. Article only uses one source and it needs several improvements. --
Wario-Man (
talk)
15:48, 15 November 2016 (UTC)
It is clear that this is a ethnic page and list. There were comments that there was no ethnic page. There is a page on which this opinion is described. List of monarchs of Persia. List of monarchs of Persia, This is the page trying to be told. An ethnic page and list, Non-Persian dynasties and empires cannot be added to this list and page. It is deceptive and misleading. Is misleading the readers. To give an example; [4]. Please watch the sample video and see with your own eyes how people are misguided. This page is the source shown in the video. Unfortunately, it is clear that the page has become a nationalistic page. I remove the Non-Persian dynasties and states from the list when everything is so clear.-- Halil Can ( talk) 10:48, 18 November 2016 (UTC)
The article uses the abbreviation "A.K.A." when describing the alternative name for Persia, Iran. Rather than using this abbreviation, it would be more proficient to write "also known as."
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I wish to add the Parthian Empire (247 BC–224 AD) /info/en/?search=Parthian_Empire as one of the listed empires, as well as include a globe as a visual aid to show the farthest extent of the empire's borders, like the other listed empires. CascatheBrash ( talk) 00:51, 21 March 2018 (UTC)
We really should conform dates to CE and BCE rather than AD and BC. Even though they mean the same thing we should avoid the Christian references. David Cary Hart ( talk) 17:39, 21 October 2018 (UTC)
One of the problems with the acronyms CE (Common Era) and BCE (Before the Common Era) is that the initial'C' can be read as 'Christian', converting CE into 'Christian Era' and BCE into 'Before the Christian Era'. Are they really an improvement? Can there not be something better? Such as Modern Era, or Universal Era, or International Era? O Murr ( talk) 05:32, 9 April 2019 (UTC)
Looking at that article's map, should it be added, or was it not really Persian? --Comment by Selfie City ( talk about my contributions) 23:50, 30 March 2019 (UTC)
There's a reason the Sasanian Empire is called the Second Persian Empire, what does that make the Parthian Empire? The 1.5 Persian Empire? Stop adding it to this article, thanks. -- HistoryofIran ( talk) 12:54, 18 April 2019 (UTC)
@HistoryofIran
"Iranian and Persian are not synonyms (Persia was in reality a province in southern Iran, not the name of a country"
This is SO incorrect it's mind-boggling. How dare you call your username 'History of Iran' when you don't even know the basics? Iran = Persia, and Persia = Iran, DEFINITIVELY. Within Persia/Iran, the Persians/Iranians were always known as 'Iranian' or 'Aryan' to themselves. It was the Greeks and Romans and other outside entities who called the land "Persia", in reference to the province of 'Pars' (today called 'Fars'), because the first great emperor of Persia/Iran (Cyrus the Great) was born and raised in Pars, so this region became the culture's namesake. For thousands of years, Iranians/Persians have used the names "Persia" and "Iran" interchangeably. The only caveat is that in 1935, the government under the shah, Reza Shah Pahlavi, officiated the country's name as "Iran" instead of "Persia" for everyone to use, whether internally by the citizens or externally by the other countries of the world. Then, again in 1979, the official name was changed from "Iran" to "The Islamic Republic of Iran", due to the new government administration. So, in essence, from 1935 until the present day, "Persian" refers to Iran as a whole, as country, culture, etc., anytime before the year 1935, but today it also refers to the ethnicity of "Persian", meaning any member of this native ethnic group who has stuck around this region since the dawning of the original first Persian Empire (Achaemenid Empire) under Cyrus the Great.
tl;dr "Iran" and "Persia" are essentially interchangeable, and the Parthian Empire was ABSOLUTELY a Persian Empire. — Preceding unsigned comment added by CascatheBrash ( talk • contribs) 16:05, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
“Pretty sure I know”?? This is the criteria? Where are YOUR references?
Here’s one of mine. WIKIPEDIA:
“The Parthian Empire (/ˈpɑːrθiən/; 247 BC – 224 AD), also known as the Arsacid Empire (/ˈɑːrsəsɪd/),[9] was a major Iranian political and cultural power in ancient Iran.”
IRAN = PERSIA
PERSIA = IRAN
Here’s more reference to the official name change from Persia to Iran in 1935. Why would the Iranians recognize this as such a monumental event if they only ever considered themselves under the words “Iran” and “Iranian”?
From the Wikipedia page ‘Name of Iran’
“In the Western world, Persia (or one of its cognates) was historically the common name for Iran.[1] On the Nowruz of 1935, Reza Shah asked foreign delegates to use the term Iran, the endonym of the country, in formal correspondence. Subsequently, the common adjective for citizens of Iran changed from Persian to Iranian. In 1959, the government of Mohammad Reza Shah, Reza Shah's son, announced that both "Persia" and "Iran" can be used interchangeably, in formal correspondence.[2] ”
Here’s the article referenced by the [2]:
Please NEVER make any more decisions about Persia/Iran articles again on Wikipedia, since you are clearly disgraced by the obliteration of your credibility at this point.
Just because the Parthians (originally Parni) weren’t ethnic Persians doesn’t mean their empire was not Persian.
First of all, the Parni were closer in ethnicity and culture than any non-Persian dynasty or empire within Greater Iran (Greek, Arab, Mongol, Turk, etc.). The Parthians were an Indo-Iranian (and, remember, before the year 1935, IRANIAN = PERSIAN, PERSIAN = IRANIAN. Yes, Persian is a specific Iranian ethnicity, but it more generally means ‘of the native culture and history of Iran/Persia’) nomadic tribe [1] “Parthia was overrun by the Parni, a nomad tribe from the Central-Asian steppe.” (like the Persians originally were),The Parthians spoke Persian [1] “Courtiers spoke Persian and used the Pahlavi script”, and modeled their empire heavily on the Achaemenid Empire. [1] “Another source of inspiration was the Achaemenid dynasty that had once ruled the Persian Empire...the Arsacid kings wanted to be called -as Cyrus the Great had ordered his subjects to do in the sixth century- ‘king of kings’.” They intentionally made their empire as ‘Persian’ as possible, unlike other empires or dynasties thus mentioned which (barring perhaps Alexander’s Empire) tried to force their will to change the configuration of power and culture within the region. Also unlike the empires and dynasties of Alexander or Timurlane or whatever other non-Persian dynasties, Iranians today look back on the Parthian Empire and consider it within the same canon of Persian-run, Persian-cultured Persian empires. [2]
Iranians consider Parthians to be Iranian! Parthians (together with Persians and Medians) were one of the main groups of Indo-Iranians who entered Iranian plateau in ancient times, and their empire is counted as one of the four Iranian empires before Islam. Their empire is called ‘Ashkani’ by Iranians or Arsacid in English after the name each emperor used upon coronation: Arsaces I,Arsaces II …. Even though they had some Greek influence(like most peoples of western Asia in those days) Iranian culture and religion had a revival and comeback during their time, furthermore during the centuries following Arab conquest of Iran it was Parthians who retained and safeguarded Iranian culture until it could reemerge under a more politically open conditions in Iranian Intermezzo.”
[1] Jona Lendering, “Parthian Empire”, http://www.iranchamber.com/history/parthians/parthians.php
[2] Mohamad Karimi, response to “Do Persians consider the Parthian empire to be a Persian dynasty, or foreign overlords?”, https://www.quora.com/Do-Persians-consider-the-Parthian-empire-to-be-a-Persian-dynasty-or-foreign-overlords
Finally, what’s with this nonsense of “X didn’t call themselves Y, therefore not Y”? I’m ‘pretty sure’ the Ancient Greeks referred to themselves as “Hellenes” and not “Greeks”. That means they’re not Greek, right?
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Why nobody ever tried to write a proper article for this very important article? Something like Roman Empire, which also covers a lot of dynasties. Aryzad ( talk) 20:42, 19 June 2019 (UTC)
@ LouisAragon: Can you explain with more details? which parts you are talking about? Aryzad ( talk) 13:55, 1 July 2019 (UTC)
Persian empire neanderthels and caucasian came from europe they migrated from europe and came to persia and then became persians and now conquered by muslim to form iranians who became parsis totravel to india means persians muslims parsis and indian are different and as suchthere was no caucassian war in persia since zoreaster left and muslims invaded and got settled inpersia and became iran since then no war in persia and acheneimid empire wasnt in persia it was in europe in alexander first and achaneimid was given to search maps of countries of globes. Amita samant ( talk) 06:01, 14 October 2019 (UTC)
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Completely wrong article 49.199.219.97 ( talk) 13:36, 21 December 2019 (UTC)
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The Parthian Empire should be included in the list of bullet points. Should look like:
Parthian Empire (247 BC–224 AD)
It should be listed after the Achaemenid Empire (550–330 BC) and before the Sasanian Empire (224–651 AD). The Parthian Empire is a VERY important empire in Iran's history and must be included.
There should also be another globe image visualization, maybe in baby blue, that shows the full extent of the empire's borders, as seen here:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f1/Parthian_Empire_at_its_greatest_extent_%28geographical%29.jpg CascatheBrash ( talk) 19:53, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
Oh, yes it is! "PARTHIAN" as in referencing the province of "PARS" (today called 'Fars'), I.E. PERSIAN. The word "Persian" itself comes from "Pars". The 'Par' in PARTHIAN comes from the same word origin, "Pars". Who died and make you King Historian of Iran? You are WRONG, the Parthian Empire was not only indisputably a PERSIAN Empire, it was one of the most important, whose cultural influences are still felt to this day in Iran. — Preceding
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This Page Should Be Titled as " Iranian Empire(S)" , Instead of 'Persian Empires'.
Also Why there is No Mentions for Median Empire ????
As Well As there should be A Description for Non-Iranian Polity and foreign political Bodies like :
1- Greek Seleucid Empire As well As Macedonian Empire .
2-Mongol Empire and Subsequent Ilkhanate .
3- The Seljuk Empire which were followed By Timurid Empire , Mention it is critical one because The Timurid preceded the Safavid Dynasty and laid its foundation !!!
If This Page 'Meant' Exclusively for Persian political bodies , than Why not Building A Separate Page For "Iranian" Empires ??? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 149.147.30.114 ( talk) 19:52, 22 August 2020 (UTC)
Based on the information from users like HistoryofIran, the Parthian Empire is not included in this list of Perisan Empires b/c they were from Parthia, not Persia proper. Then, may I ask, why are the Safavids, Afsharids, Zands, Qajars, and Pahlavis included here? The Safavids were Kurds, Afsharids and Qajars were Oghuz Turks, Zands were Lurs, and Pahlavis were from Mazandaran. None of these dynasties are from Persia proper like the Achaemenids and the Sassanids, but yet they are included in here, while the Parthians are excluded. Can somebody clarify a reason for this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.40.128.86 ( talk) 18:10, 2 October 2020 (UTC)
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Change title from "Persian Empire" to "Iranian Empire".
Justification:
Three out of five of the dynasties covered by the article were not Persian. The Selucids were Greek, Parthians were Parthian and Safavids were Azeri. The umbrella term Iranian is both the prefered name for them in modern Persian and has been since antiquity. While the country was refered to as Persia in old European maps, this too has been rectified for over a century. In other words, all Persian Empires are considered Iranian but not all Iranian Empires were necesserily Persian.
To put things in perspective, the current title is comparable to calling the Spanish Empire "Castillian", The British Empire "English" and the French Empire "Parisian". PouyalePers ( talk) 15:56, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
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its one of the raciest and worst articles i have ever seen in my life .... afshar and qacar and safavid were turks not persians . they were turks and ruled in iran . Karmida ( talk) 19:22, 24 October 2020 (UTC)
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apparently this page has been the target of vandalism as they removed the whole content and redirected the whole page to another page . i humbly ask the wikipedia to revert back the content to this revision and remove the redirect from it. https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Persian_Empire&oldid=990651513 and lock the whole page so no one else can vandalise it, this is an important page as it contain unique and important information about persian history. thanks in adance HHeidary98 ( talk) 16:52, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
i know exactly what vandalism is ,you might wanna look up what merging is before throwing the term around!! cause i dont see any merge here . they are simply removed! beside these two topics doesn't need merging, they both contain their respective information which defer from one another. this topic contain unique information which was vandalised and need to be fixed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by HHeidary98 ( talk • contribs) 17:51, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
decent and consequent graphical map of each dynasty territorial might is one for example. actualy you are a clear case of WP:JDLI and not me, otherwise i dont see why you would try to vandalise a country's history. you keep making made-up allegation and claims against me while those allegation in fact apply and suit yourself and not me. first you said they are merged while in fact they are not and these 2 topics does not need merging AT ALL! then you said i am a cse of WP:JDLI while in fact this apply to yourself.i have nothing more to say to vandaliser such as you. something have been vandalised and i want it fixed thats all.
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12:42, 18 December 2020 (UTC)nope they are not there at all. you obviously do not understand how reporting works! you are the one who deleted content and vandalised something and i'm the one objecting to it — Preceding unsigned comment added by HHeidary98 ( talk • contribs)
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No admin action needed here. As Melmann stated above, please work to form a consensus before submitting an edit request. To form a consensus you need to work nicely together so please stop throwing accusations around and start to comply with the fundamental pillars of Wikipedia, namely in this case assume good faith. Also HHeidary98, please sign your posts. Waggers TALK 13:26, 18 December 2020 (UTC)
i'm sorry but how should i assume good faith with someone who is intentionaly vandalising and actualy removing the whole content? you're kidding right?
i just joined wikipedia yesterday to object to this , in case wikipedia doesn't wanna fix this i doubt there's much i can do but you guys need to take a stricter policy against vandalism! otherwise "IT WILL" be cited that wikipedia "IS SUPPORTING" vandalism acts against countries/ethnic groups with political/social goals.
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HHeidary98 ( talk) 14:31, 18 December 2020 (UTC)
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