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Dear MPF, I see no reason to capitalize common names of trees (pecan, hickory, walnut), nor do I see why one wouldn't place scientific names inside parentheses in the following example:
The Pecan Carya illinoensis is a large hickory ...
Since you overruled my edits, I assume this is somehow important to you. I certainly won't get into an editing war, but I do believe that the above style is quirky and unprofessional. In any reputable British, American, or Canadian encyclopedia, the style would be:
The pecan (Carya illinoensis) is a large hickory... --An American copy editor
pecan pie, anyone?
As in, where is the associated article in the Wikicookbook? User_Talk:Michael_Reiter
Hey, I'm pretty sure the "pecan" in the Everman Park picture ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:EvermanPark.JPG) is something more like a post oak. Confirmation, anyone? I don't know Abilene very well and the picture ain't so great. Lawiseman ( talk) 03:54, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
I'd like to contribute the following image showing how pecan nuts grow to the article: http://www.flickr.com/photos/78223339@N00/15025997/
Should I, or should the amount of images per article be kept to a minimum?
I just uploaded another image of pecan flowers from the same tree as the pecan nuts. Should the caption say that the two images are from the same tree? -- Pmg 18:14, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
"Someone please change the picture on the left. It is a picture of pistachios, not pecans.". Whatver it is, it is about to be removed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.254.11.37 ( talk) 01:37, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
Can anyone describe how pecans taste?:) In comparison to walnuts. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.131.137.50 ( talk) 15:33, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
When are the pecan ready how do you know i have 12 trees and they are loaded and some are falling. this is Theresa Smith from Chross Plains tx.
Um, dude.....this article is WAY incorrect. The first pecan trees were planted by Native Americans long before Europeans ever set foot in the Western hemisphere, as such they were domesticated no more recently than most other crops of New World origin, e.g. maize, vanilla, chocolate, sunflowers, etc. This horrendously erroneous assertion ought to be fixed in a jiffy —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.222.101.126 ( talk) 02:52, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
Does anyone know why the pecans actually rise during baking of a pie? 173.23.131.102 ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 03:38, 27 November 2009 (UTC).
V Mexiku z Koahvily jižně do Chaliska and Věrokříže. Slovo "Pekan" je algonkinského původu (druh indiánů), znamenající ořech vyžadující louskáček (v indiánském životě byl louskáčkem většinou kámen) k rozštípnutí. Zdroj: Wickipedie —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.16.105.3 ( talk) 11:34, 25 December 2009 (UTC)
Zdroj: Wickipedie —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.16.105.3 ( talk) 11:51, 25 December 2009 (UTC)
Waisel Y, Keynan N, Gil T, Tayar D, Bezerano A, Goldberg A, Geller-Bernstein C, Dolev Z, Tamir R, Levy I, et al.
[Allergic responses to date palm and pecan pollen in Israel]
[Article in Hebrew] Harefuah. 1994 Mar 15;126(6):305-10, 368. Tel Aviv University. Abstract
Date palm (Phoenix dactylifera) and pecan (Carya illinoensis) trees are commonly planted in Israel for fruit, for shade, or as ornamental plants. Pollen grains of both species are allergenic; however, the extent of exposure to such pollen and the incidence of allergic response have not been studied here. We therefore investigated skin-test responses to pollen extracts of 12 varieties of palm and 9 of pecan in 705 allergic patients living in 3 cities and 19 rural settlements. Sensitivity to the pollen extracts of both species was much higher among residents of rural than of urban communities. Moreover, there was a definite relationship between the abundance of these trees in a region and the incidence of skin responders to their pollen. Sensitivity was frequent in settlements rich in these 2 species, such as those with nearby commercial date or pecan plantations. In general, sensitivity to date pollen extracts was lower than to pecan. However, differences in skin responses to pollen extracts of various clones were substantiated. Air sampling revealed that pollen pollution decreased considerably with distance from the trees. At approximately 100 m from a source concentrations of airborne pollen were low. Since planting of male palm and pecan trees in population centers would increase pollen pollution, it should be avoided. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.167.61.217 ( talk) 21:42, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
The importance of the pecan tree pollen in allergic manifestations. Clin Exp Allergy. 1996 Mar;26(3):323-9.
Rachmiel M, Verleger H, Waisel Y, Keynan N, Kivity S, Katz Y.
Pulmonary and Allergy Institute, 'Assaf-Harofeh' Medical Center, Zerifin, Israel.
...
CONCLUSION: Pecan tree releases highly allergenic pollen grains, which are correlated to the incidence of hay fever in the exposed population. The contribution of pecan tree pollen to the symptoms was highly significant after discounting olive and cypress trees that also pollinate in the spring. In children, the pecan tree constitutes a possible etiologic agent for the development of asthma. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.167.61.217 ( talk) 21:57, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
I've opened a discussion here like to propose that Hickory should be separated from Carya and Annamocarya. This would allow some text about the evolution of the genus Carya, which is currently on this species page, to be moved to a genus page. Such an arrangement would parallel, for example, the separation of Banana from Musa. Nadiatalent ( talk) 13:58, 14 May 2011 (UTC)
What type of fertilizer should I use for trees and the best way to use it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.136.142.245 ( talk) 23:30, 19 September 2011 (UTC)
Are pecans grown anywhere outside of the US and Northern Mexico? 109.246.254.186 ( talk) 13:31, 26 November 2011 (UTC)
Yes there is a smaller variety growing in Ontario, Algonquin territory. The Name PuhKhan came from the Algonquin language. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.229.229.31 ( talk) 02:58, 25 January 2020 (UTC)
Came here looking for basic info on the development of the pecan tree, specifically how many years it takes to reach maturity. Disappointed to find no info on this. 70.59.74.42 ( talk) 00:07, 11 December 2011 (UTC)
The correct scientific name of the species is Carya illinoensis, not illinoiensis (spare i) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 138.100.116.136 ( talk) 17:34, 8 March 2012 (UTC)
The article states that the pecan fruit is a drupe. Contrastingly, the sites on Hickory (Carya) and on Juglandaceae define the fruits as true nuts. References to the special fruit type tryma are confusing, as it is respectively called a drupe-like nut or nut-like drupe. 188.107.252.53 ( talk) 09:19, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
Some
editors
above were patting themselves on the back for growing recognition of regional differences in pronunciation but, nope, Wikipedia's
WP:NOTADICTIONARY. If we were going to have a laundry list of pronunciations, they don't belong
cluttering up the lead section as currently. You'd need to drop it down to a #Name or #Etymology section and provide a full explanation of who says it which way which proportion of the time in which dialects with
WP:RELIABLESOURCES. Unsourced, unexplained lists of pronunciations belong at
pecan's Wiktionary entry, if there. (The alternative is to provide all 6 pronunciations the OED mentions, along with at least three more regional variants off the top of my head, which really just creates
UNHELPFUL
CLUTTER.) —
LlywelynII
12:20, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
.
It would be nice to explain that some people believe that pronouncing pee-kahn is more proper than a can for urination.
With more modern plumbing access, that type of can is used less than in the past.
Somitcw (
talk)
09:07, 14 October 2017 (UTC)
Yes a pronunciation of peecan is incorrect. One e is puhkhan, Think peanut, Second vowel hard e, Not Can but Khan, think StarTrek. Algonquin word. There are Pecans in Algonquin territory, They are a smaller variety than what is found in what is now Georgia, Muskogee Territory. I was told years ago by a Cajun, that "a peecan was sumpthun you put up under yo bayed" Some would call that a Bedpan. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.229.229.31 ( talk) 02:55, 25 January 2020 (UTC)
To add to this article: the chemical components in pecan nuts that give them their distinctive flavor. 173.88.246.138 ( talk) 02:02, 4 February 2021 (UTC)
Does the "mouse-ear" link in the diseases section lead to the correct article? It seems to be about a completely different plant. Duckduckgoop ( talk) 04:24, 22 April 2021 (UTC)
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Dear MPF, I see no reason to capitalize common names of trees (pecan, hickory, walnut), nor do I see why one wouldn't place scientific names inside parentheses in the following example:
The Pecan Carya illinoensis is a large hickory ...
Since you overruled my edits, I assume this is somehow important to you. I certainly won't get into an editing war, but I do believe that the above style is quirky and unprofessional. In any reputable British, American, or Canadian encyclopedia, the style would be:
The pecan (Carya illinoensis) is a large hickory... --An American copy editor
pecan pie, anyone?
As in, where is the associated article in the Wikicookbook? User_Talk:Michael_Reiter
Hey, I'm pretty sure the "pecan" in the Everman Park picture ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:EvermanPark.JPG) is something more like a post oak. Confirmation, anyone? I don't know Abilene very well and the picture ain't so great. Lawiseman ( talk) 03:54, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
I'd like to contribute the following image showing how pecan nuts grow to the article: http://www.flickr.com/photos/78223339@N00/15025997/
Should I, or should the amount of images per article be kept to a minimum?
I just uploaded another image of pecan flowers from the same tree as the pecan nuts. Should the caption say that the two images are from the same tree? -- Pmg 18:14, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
"Someone please change the picture on the left. It is a picture of pistachios, not pecans.". Whatver it is, it is about to be removed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.254.11.37 ( talk) 01:37, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
Can anyone describe how pecans taste?:) In comparison to walnuts. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.131.137.50 ( talk) 15:33, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
When are the pecan ready how do you know i have 12 trees and they are loaded and some are falling. this is Theresa Smith from Chross Plains tx.
Um, dude.....this article is WAY incorrect. The first pecan trees were planted by Native Americans long before Europeans ever set foot in the Western hemisphere, as such they were domesticated no more recently than most other crops of New World origin, e.g. maize, vanilla, chocolate, sunflowers, etc. This horrendously erroneous assertion ought to be fixed in a jiffy —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.222.101.126 ( talk) 02:52, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
Does anyone know why the pecans actually rise during baking of a pie? 173.23.131.102 ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 03:38, 27 November 2009 (UTC).
V Mexiku z Koahvily jižně do Chaliska and Věrokříže. Slovo "Pekan" je algonkinského původu (druh indiánů), znamenající ořech vyžadující louskáček (v indiánském životě byl louskáčkem většinou kámen) k rozštípnutí. Zdroj: Wickipedie —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.16.105.3 ( talk) 11:34, 25 December 2009 (UTC)
Zdroj: Wickipedie —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.16.105.3 ( talk) 11:51, 25 December 2009 (UTC)
Waisel Y, Keynan N, Gil T, Tayar D, Bezerano A, Goldberg A, Geller-Bernstein C, Dolev Z, Tamir R, Levy I, et al.
[Allergic responses to date palm and pecan pollen in Israel]
[Article in Hebrew] Harefuah. 1994 Mar 15;126(6):305-10, 368. Tel Aviv University. Abstract
Date palm (Phoenix dactylifera) and pecan (Carya illinoensis) trees are commonly planted in Israel for fruit, for shade, or as ornamental plants. Pollen grains of both species are allergenic; however, the extent of exposure to such pollen and the incidence of allergic response have not been studied here. We therefore investigated skin-test responses to pollen extracts of 12 varieties of palm and 9 of pecan in 705 allergic patients living in 3 cities and 19 rural settlements. Sensitivity to the pollen extracts of both species was much higher among residents of rural than of urban communities. Moreover, there was a definite relationship between the abundance of these trees in a region and the incidence of skin responders to their pollen. Sensitivity was frequent in settlements rich in these 2 species, such as those with nearby commercial date or pecan plantations. In general, sensitivity to date pollen extracts was lower than to pecan. However, differences in skin responses to pollen extracts of various clones were substantiated. Air sampling revealed that pollen pollution decreased considerably with distance from the trees. At approximately 100 m from a source concentrations of airborne pollen were low. Since planting of male palm and pecan trees in population centers would increase pollen pollution, it should be avoided. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.167.61.217 ( talk) 21:42, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
The importance of the pecan tree pollen in allergic manifestations. Clin Exp Allergy. 1996 Mar;26(3):323-9.
Rachmiel M, Verleger H, Waisel Y, Keynan N, Kivity S, Katz Y.
Pulmonary and Allergy Institute, 'Assaf-Harofeh' Medical Center, Zerifin, Israel.
...
CONCLUSION: Pecan tree releases highly allergenic pollen grains, which are correlated to the incidence of hay fever in the exposed population. The contribution of pecan tree pollen to the symptoms was highly significant after discounting olive and cypress trees that also pollinate in the spring. In children, the pecan tree constitutes a possible etiologic agent for the development of asthma. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.167.61.217 ( talk) 21:57, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
I've opened a discussion here like to propose that Hickory should be separated from Carya and Annamocarya. This would allow some text about the evolution of the genus Carya, which is currently on this species page, to be moved to a genus page. Such an arrangement would parallel, for example, the separation of Banana from Musa. Nadiatalent ( talk) 13:58, 14 May 2011 (UTC)
What type of fertilizer should I use for trees and the best way to use it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.136.142.245 ( talk) 23:30, 19 September 2011 (UTC)
Are pecans grown anywhere outside of the US and Northern Mexico? 109.246.254.186 ( talk) 13:31, 26 November 2011 (UTC)
Yes there is a smaller variety growing in Ontario, Algonquin territory. The Name PuhKhan came from the Algonquin language. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.229.229.31 ( talk) 02:58, 25 January 2020 (UTC)
Came here looking for basic info on the development of the pecan tree, specifically how many years it takes to reach maturity. Disappointed to find no info on this. 70.59.74.42 ( talk) 00:07, 11 December 2011 (UTC)
The correct scientific name of the species is Carya illinoensis, not illinoiensis (spare i) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 138.100.116.136 ( talk) 17:34, 8 March 2012 (UTC)
The article states that the pecan fruit is a drupe. Contrastingly, the sites on Hickory (Carya) and on Juglandaceae define the fruits as true nuts. References to the special fruit type tryma are confusing, as it is respectively called a drupe-like nut or nut-like drupe. 188.107.252.53 ( talk) 09:19, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
Some
editors
above were patting themselves on the back for growing recognition of regional differences in pronunciation but, nope, Wikipedia's
WP:NOTADICTIONARY. If we were going to have a laundry list of pronunciations, they don't belong
cluttering up the lead section as currently. You'd need to drop it down to a #Name or #Etymology section and provide a full explanation of who says it which way which proportion of the time in which dialects with
WP:RELIABLESOURCES. Unsourced, unexplained lists of pronunciations belong at
pecan's Wiktionary entry, if there. (The alternative is to provide all 6 pronunciations the OED mentions, along with at least three more regional variants off the top of my head, which really just creates
UNHELPFUL
CLUTTER.) —
LlywelynII
12:20, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
.
It would be nice to explain that some people believe that pronouncing pee-kahn is more proper than a can for urination.
With more modern plumbing access, that type of can is used less than in the past.
Somitcw (
talk)
09:07, 14 October 2017 (UTC)
Yes a pronunciation of peecan is incorrect. One e is puhkhan, Think peanut, Second vowel hard e, Not Can but Khan, think StarTrek. Algonquin word. There are Pecans in Algonquin territory, They are a smaller variety than what is found in what is now Georgia, Muskogee Territory. I was told years ago by a Cajun, that "a peecan was sumpthun you put up under yo bayed" Some would call that a Bedpan. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.229.229.31 ( talk) 02:55, 25 January 2020 (UTC)
To add to this article: the chemical components in pecan nuts that give them their distinctive flavor. 173.88.246.138 ( talk) 02:02, 4 February 2021 (UTC)
Does the "mouse-ear" link in the diseases section lead to the correct article? It seems to be about a completely different plant. Duckduckgoop ( talk) 04:24, 22 April 2021 (UTC)