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My mother and her family emigrated from Malta to NYC in the early part of the 20th century. We had pastizzi as a part of our family culinary heritage and they were one of my favorite childhood foods.
My career has been as a professional chef, and as such I have long been fascinated by the fact that the unique dough that makes pastizzi special has no counterpart in European cuisines.
It was in Singapore that I learned to make Malabar paratha which are quite popular there. The similarities of those doughs and the hand-rolling technique are unmistakable. It is equally plausible that the word paratha morphed into pastizzi in Malti.
It is an easy and logical leap to imagine that traders from southern India brought their paratha with them as they traveled across the Mediterranean and centuries ago morphed into the savory staple that are Maltese pastizzi today.
Wayne Nish
Shouldn't this page be renamed "Pastizz" in line with WP: SINGULAR?
Demdem ( talk) 19:55, 18 September 2011 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: page moved. Vegaswikian ( talk) 20:49, 4 October 2011 (UTC)
Pastizzi →
Pastizz – Per
WP: SINGULAR.
Demdem (
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17:38, 27 September 2011 (UTC)
"Such is its ubiquity at the heart of the Maltese psyche", in my view, is an instance of WP:PEA. You'd think the Maltese have nothing but pastizzi on their minds. Same goes for "multiple meanings"; in effect it refers to only two meanings (and "selling like pastizzi" is a similie involving not change in meaning).
Demdem ( talk) 13:00, 20 December 2011 (UTC)
Perhaps I am too stupid to understand the word "psyche", I don't know. I am not too dumb, however, to recognise (a) edit-warring and (b) unreferenced material when I come across them. I have removed the disputed passage from the article as it was entirely without references except for the last sentence, for which the reference given was a newspaper article about Elton John(!). The material can be replaced in the article at any time, provided it is supported by proper references to reliable sources. Please note that the WP:BURDEN of finding such sources lies with the editor adding or restoring the material. Justlettersandnumbers ( talk) 00:59, 30 December 2011 (UTC)
Kont Dracula ( talk) 22:13, 31 December 2011 (UTC)
Could some kind person with a good knowledge of Maltese grammar (which I regret I absolutely do not have) kindly confirm whether jinbigħu or jinbiegħu is the correct form to show in the article? Thank you. Justlettersandnumbers ( talk) 14:36, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
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what is the point of occasionally using cheese cake and pea cake in the article when in reality those 2 terms are rarely ever used anymore by Maltese people when talking to tourists, etc?
Living in Malta it's clear that the "English" name is no longer in favour at all (apart from the fact that is is literally incorrect as it's not a cake but anyway). And rightly so. Who translates pizza to flatbread, or paella and risotto to rice? no one.
I suggest that pea cake and cheese cake are replaced by ricotta pastizz and pea pastizz in the article.
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My mother and her family emigrated from Malta to NYC in the early part of the 20th century. We had pastizzi as a part of our family culinary heritage and they were one of my favorite childhood foods.
My career has been as a professional chef, and as such I have long been fascinated by the fact that the unique dough that makes pastizzi special has no counterpart in European cuisines.
It was in Singapore that I learned to make Malabar paratha which are quite popular there. The similarities of those doughs and the hand-rolling technique are unmistakable. It is equally plausible that the word paratha morphed into pastizzi in Malti.
It is an easy and logical leap to imagine that traders from southern India brought their paratha with them as they traveled across the Mediterranean and centuries ago morphed into the savory staple that are Maltese pastizzi today.
Wayne Nish
Shouldn't this page be renamed "Pastizz" in line with WP: SINGULAR?
Demdem ( talk) 19:55, 18 September 2011 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: page moved. Vegaswikian ( talk) 20:49, 4 October 2011 (UTC)
Pastizzi →
Pastizz – Per
WP: SINGULAR.
Demdem (
talk)
17:38, 27 September 2011 (UTC)
"Such is its ubiquity at the heart of the Maltese psyche", in my view, is an instance of WP:PEA. You'd think the Maltese have nothing but pastizzi on their minds. Same goes for "multiple meanings"; in effect it refers to only two meanings (and "selling like pastizzi" is a similie involving not change in meaning).
Demdem ( talk) 13:00, 20 December 2011 (UTC)
Perhaps I am too stupid to understand the word "psyche", I don't know. I am not too dumb, however, to recognise (a) edit-warring and (b) unreferenced material when I come across them. I have removed the disputed passage from the article as it was entirely without references except for the last sentence, for which the reference given was a newspaper article about Elton John(!). The material can be replaced in the article at any time, provided it is supported by proper references to reliable sources. Please note that the WP:BURDEN of finding such sources lies with the editor adding or restoring the material. Justlettersandnumbers ( talk) 00:59, 30 December 2011 (UTC)
Kont Dracula ( talk) 22:13, 31 December 2011 (UTC)
Could some kind person with a good knowledge of Maltese grammar (which I regret I absolutely do not have) kindly confirm whether jinbigħu or jinbiegħu is the correct form to show in the article? Thank you. Justlettersandnumbers ( talk) 14:36, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
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what is the point of occasionally using cheese cake and pea cake in the article when in reality those 2 terms are rarely ever used anymore by Maltese people when talking to tourists, etc?
Living in Malta it's clear that the "English" name is no longer in favour at all (apart from the fact that is is literally incorrect as it's not a cake but anyway). And rightly so. Who translates pizza to flatbread, or paella and risotto to rice? no one.
I suggest that pea cake and cheese cake are replaced by ricotta pastizz and pea pastizz in the article.