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Other than Deng, who else does this title refer to? -- Menchi 07:44 13 Jul 2003 (UTC)
Anyone follows the Chinese communist politic would know that there is always in-party fighting and constant behind the scene life-or-death power struggle. To start with, Hu Jintao may be the Chairman of the Central Military Commission, but the real power that commands the PLA is not in his hand. In the true sense, Hu is not yet THE paramount leader, but on the outside, he is. This is the complexicity of Chinese politic; there is a lot of guess work. Arilang talk 22:00, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
The result of the move request was not moved. Jafeluv ( talk) 01:59, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
Paramount leader → Paramount Leader — "Paramount Leader" is used as a title, even though it's unofficial. roc (talk) 07:26, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: No move Orlady ( talk) 14:27, 10 September 2010 (UTC)
Paramount leader →
Paramount Leader — Why was this rejected? Let's think this through. Either "Parmount Leader" is a title or it is not. If it is a title, then it is is a proper noun and both words should be capitalized. If it is merely a description, neither should be capitalized. (One usage that is clearly incorrect would be "Paramount leader", which I had found used in the
Hu Jintao article. "Paramount leader" means "The Paramount (who is a leader)").
But it's clearly a title, albeit an informal one - the title of the leader of China. If it's not a title, what is it? If it's merely a neutral description, like "head of state" it would apply to any national leader. For instance, we could say "Barack Obama is the paramount leader of the United States." We could say this, but we don't, because its not a generally accepted neutral description. When and if we do, we can use the same capitalization for "Paramount Leader" as we use for "Head of state" (and change the article to read "Paramount leader is the generic term for an individual who is generally considered to be the most powerful political figure in an independent state..." or something). Finally, consider the parallel to the Supreme Leader of Iran, who is not just the "supreme leader of Iran". Granted his title is formal while Hu Jintao's is informal, but so what?
At any rate, this article and related articles need to rationalized. This article uses both "Paramount Leader" and "paramount leader" (and I have seen "Paramount leader" elsewhere). I can't fix this until I know what the deal is.
If the current title is retained, we probably ought to consider just deleting the article. We don't have articles such as Greatest leader of all mankind ("Greatest leader of all mankind is a description of the position of Kim Jong Il among mortals...") and so forth. Herostratus ( talk) 14:49, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
I know Wikipedia is not a crystal ball but Reliable sources are now consistently saying that Xi Jinping is expected to take over Hu's position(s) next year as a new generation of leadership transitions in. This seems like valuable information to include in the article but I honestly couldn't figure out where to put it. some sources [1] [2] [3] [4]. and pretty much any time a newspaper talks about Joe Biden visiting China, or anytime Xi Jinping is mentioned there is some mention that he is presumed to be the sucessor to Hu. - Metal lunchbox ( talk) 23:46, 17 August 2011 (UTC)
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While the term "paramount leader" is well attested in relation to Deng Xiaoping and (less so) Mao Zedong, the claims that it also applies to Jiang, Hu and Xi are in decreasing order of acceptance. The article as it stands now provides no citations for its most central claims - the two citations which have been provided relate to peripheral claims only. Unless better citation can be provided, it seems wholly inappropriate to claim that, for example, Xi is called a paramount leader. -- PalaceGuard008 ( Talk) 14:42, 28 November 2012 (UTC)
I don't know if it is appropriate for Wikipedia to prescribe the 'end date' for Deng Xiaoping's tenure as 'paramount leader'. It is unsourced and totally dubious - and would need to be substantiated. Deng Xiaoping's informal authority, some scholars believe, continued well into the 1990s. Others say he lost it before his "southern tour" of 1992... so it really depends on who you ask when Deng was paramount "until". Colipon+( Talk) 04:50, 9 April 2013 (UTC)
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最高 should be translated as "top". Why does the article use "paramount"?
Translating 最高领导人 to "paramount leader" is just weird. The term "top leader" would be accurate. Even "supreme leader" would be a much better alternative compared to "paramount leader".
Should the term "paramount leader" be changed? Pacerier ( talk) 02:31, 15 January 2016 (UTC)
What do the “Beijing At-large (49–76)” etc. refer to? These must be made clear. -- Kaihsu ( talk) 17:57, 7 June 2016 (UTC)
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Other than Deng, who else does this title refer to? -- Menchi 07:44 13 Jul 2003 (UTC)
Anyone follows the Chinese communist politic would know that there is always in-party fighting and constant behind the scene life-or-death power struggle. To start with, Hu Jintao may be the Chairman of the Central Military Commission, but the real power that commands the PLA is not in his hand. In the true sense, Hu is not yet THE paramount leader, but on the outside, he is. This is the complexicity of Chinese politic; there is a lot of guess work. Arilang talk 22:00, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
The result of the move request was not moved. Jafeluv ( talk) 01:59, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
Paramount leader → Paramount Leader — "Paramount Leader" is used as a title, even though it's unofficial. roc (talk) 07:26, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: No move Orlady ( talk) 14:27, 10 September 2010 (UTC)
Paramount leader →
Paramount Leader — Why was this rejected? Let's think this through. Either "Parmount Leader" is a title or it is not. If it is a title, then it is is a proper noun and both words should be capitalized. If it is merely a description, neither should be capitalized. (One usage that is clearly incorrect would be "Paramount leader", which I had found used in the
Hu Jintao article. "Paramount leader" means "The Paramount (who is a leader)").
But it's clearly a title, albeit an informal one - the title of the leader of China. If it's not a title, what is it? If it's merely a neutral description, like "head of state" it would apply to any national leader. For instance, we could say "Barack Obama is the paramount leader of the United States." We could say this, but we don't, because its not a generally accepted neutral description. When and if we do, we can use the same capitalization for "Paramount Leader" as we use for "Head of state" (and change the article to read "Paramount leader is the generic term for an individual who is generally considered to be the most powerful political figure in an independent state..." or something). Finally, consider the parallel to the Supreme Leader of Iran, who is not just the "supreme leader of Iran". Granted his title is formal while Hu Jintao's is informal, but so what?
At any rate, this article and related articles need to rationalized. This article uses both "Paramount Leader" and "paramount leader" (and I have seen "Paramount leader" elsewhere). I can't fix this until I know what the deal is.
If the current title is retained, we probably ought to consider just deleting the article. We don't have articles such as Greatest leader of all mankind ("Greatest leader of all mankind is a description of the position of Kim Jong Il among mortals...") and so forth. Herostratus ( talk) 14:49, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
I know Wikipedia is not a crystal ball but Reliable sources are now consistently saying that Xi Jinping is expected to take over Hu's position(s) next year as a new generation of leadership transitions in. This seems like valuable information to include in the article but I honestly couldn't figure out where to put it. some sources [1] [2] [3] [4]. and pretty much any time a newspaper talks about Joe Biden visiting China, or anytime Xi Jinping is mentioned there is some mention that he is presumed to be the sucessor to Hu. - Metal lunchbox ( talk) 23:46, 17 August 2011 (UTC)
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While the term "paramount leader" is well attested in relation to Deng Xiaoping and (less so) Mao Zedong, the claims that it also applies to Jiang, Hu and Xi are in decreasing order of acceptance. The article as it stands now provides no citations for its most central claims - the two citations which have been provided relate to peripheral claims only. Unless better citation can be provided, it seems wholly inappropriate to claim that, for example, Xi is called a paramount leader. -- PalaceGuard008 ( Talk) 14:42, 28 November 2012 (UTC)
I don't know if it is appropriate for Wikipedia to prescribe the 'end date' for Deng Xiaoping's tenure as 'paramount leader'. It is unsourced and totally dubious - and would need to be substantiated. Deng Xiaoping's informal authority, some scholars believe, continued well into the 1990s. Others say he lost it before his "southern tour" of 1992... so it really depends on who you ask when Deng was paramount "until". Colipon+( Talk) 04:50, 9 April 2013 (UTC)
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最高 should be translated as "top". Why does the article use "paramount"?
Translating 最高领导人 to "paramount leader" is just weird. The term "top leader" would be accurate. Even "supreme leader" would be a much better alternative compared to "paramount leader".
Should the term "paramount leader" be changed? Pacerier ( talk) 02:31, 15 January 2016 (UTC)
What do the “Beijing At-large (49–76)” etc. refer to? These must be made clear. -- Kaihsu ( talk) 17:57, 7 June 2016 (UTC)
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