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There is a citation needed on this page under the subheading Iraq. we found an article to support this text: http://www.thenewhumanitarian.org/report/89571/middle-east-palestinian-refugee-numberswhereabouts RhondaRosen ( talk) 17:16, 25 March 2019 (UTC)
It is a standard Israeli claim that UNRWA refugee status automatically passes to descendants while UNCHR refugee status never passes to descendants. Actually both claims are false in general, though it remains true that the two sets of rules are different. For UNCHR it is useless to rely on an executive summary; the only proper source is the Procedural Handbook, see "derivative refugee status". Zero talk 03:42, 20 February 2020 (UTC)
""During the 1948 Palestine War, 711,000 out of around 900,000 Palestine Arabs fled or were expelled from the territories that became the State of Israel.[1] The causes and responsibilities of the exodus are a matter of controversy among historians and commentators of the conflict.[19]"""
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There were only about 400,000 Palestinians in the territory that would become Israel in 1947. Most of the refugees, about two-thirds, were "Internally displaced" from one part of 'Palestine' to what would become another. NOT from the territories that became Israel. - -
UNSCOP's population estimates for the land that was allocated to the Jewish state was: (1947)
Jewish: 498,000 (55%)
Non-Jewish: 407,000 (45%)
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Mitchel Bard, Jewish Virtual Library: http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/myths3/MFpartition.html "...The borders of the Jewish State were arranged with no consideration of security; hence, the new state’s frontiers were virtually indefensible. Overall, the Jewish State was to be comprised of roughly 5,500 square miles (about 55% of Palestine), and the Population was to be 538,000 Jews and 397,000 Arabs...."
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Benny Morris: http://www.zionism-israel.com/israel_news/2008/02/israel-and-palestinians-according-to.html - _
"....The displacement of the 700,000 Arabs who became "refugees" - and I put the term in inverted commas, as two-thirds of them were displaced from one part of Palestine to another and not from their country (which is the usual definition of a refugee)..."
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So there were Never even "900,000" in the "territory that became Israel", but app 400,000.
2/3 of the 600k-900k overall total went from one part of 'palestine' to another. (ie, WB to Gaza) Probably only 250,000 of the refugees were "from the territory that would become Israel". And widely agreed app 130k-160k remained in Israel. The kernel of the current 1.3 million.
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— Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.201.149.66 ( talk) 17:32, 17 October 2012 (UTC)
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PS: footnote [1] from which the error apparently comes, is a 'book' worth of text. I suspect an error in that report (rather than the wiki writer) being the use of "Israel" instead of the WHOLE territory that was to become BOTH Israel and Palestine. That's the only way that the refugee Total could be confused with the lesser PART that was from "the territory to become Israel" -
again marc, unmarc@gmail.com
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The Mitchell Bard source cited gives a figure of 1.2 million Arabs vs. 600,000 Jews at the time of the 1947 partition, page 32. I'm unclear on what the the 538K v 398K number is based. Huskerdru ( talk) 22:38, 5 February 2022 (UTC)
Gotcha, that makes sense, thank you for the clarification! Huskerdru ( talk) 17:25, 6 February 2022 (UTC)
"... the self-declared State of Palestine remains unable to absorb the Palestinian refugees, due to lack of de facto sovereignty over its claimed territories." There is no source quoted, and I can see only little logical merit to this claim. What stops the PA/State of Pal. to give them the (same) citizen status as to the other Palestinians, let's say from Area C? Those are not under PA sovereign administration either. Or do they actually have Palestinian citizenship, but the PA is not in the position (economically, in terms of infrastructure) to offer them the same range of services it provides to non-refugee citizens? Can't it be done with external (EU, US, UN...) help? It's an important distinction. If so, why? Is the cause, as claimed w/o source, the lack of sovereignty, or the lack of means, or maybe the lack of political will? Probably a mix, but that's exactly the point: discuss it, don't just drop in unsourced statements! Cheers, Arminden ( talk) 09:53, 4 April 2020 (UTC)
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Change: The term "Palestine refugees" originally referred to both Arabs and Jews whose normal place of residence had been in Mandatory Palestine but were displaced and lost their livelihoods as a result of the 1948 Palestine war.
to: The term "Palestine refugees" originally referred to persons whose normal place of residence had been in that part of Mandatory Palestine which came under Israeli control but were displaced and lost their livelihoods as a result of the 1948 Palestine war.
While there were some Jewish refugees from areas which came under control of Arab governments, they were a tiny minority. Current wording gives a falsely implies equivalency and "Palestinian refugees" never referred to them as such in the UN discussions. See, e.g., https://www.un.org/unispal/document/auto-insert-211401/
Change: Being the only refugees in the world to be mainly inherited, including unregistered,
To: Including unregistered,
See https://www.unrwa.org/who-we-are/frequently-asked-questions/, answering the question "Is the Transfer of Refugee Status to Descendants Unique to UNRWA?" - Somalian and Afghanistan conflicts have also resulted in situations in which refugee status is inherited. The assertion that Palestinians are the only refugees in the world to be mainly inherited is unverified.
The whole section titled "Origin of the Palestinian Refugees" is not presented in a neutral manner, with the Zionist case (that Palestinians voluntarily departed) prominent and the case that Palestinians were forced out obfuscated by tacking it onto the end of a paragraph making the Zionist case. The case regarding Palestinians being forced out deserves at least its own paragraph. Besides, the quote from Steven Glazer makes it appear that he agrees with the Zionist position that he notes. He does not.
Change: Whereas historians now agree on most of the events of that period, there remains disagreement as to whether the exodus was the result of a plan designed before or during the war by Zionist leaders or was an unintended consequence of the war.[32].
To: Whereas historians now agree on most of the events of that period, there remains disagreement as to whether the exodus was the result of a plan designed before or during the war by Zionist leaders or was an unintended consequence of the war.[32]. Some Zionist writings indicate that Zionists had planned, or at least intended the expulsion prior to the war, for example Ben-Gurion wrote in 1937:
"With compulsory transfer we [would] have a vast area [for settlement] .... I support compulsory transfer. I don't see anything immoral in it." ([Benny Morris,] Righteous Victims, p. 144)" (quoted from www.palestineremembered.com)
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In a study of bias in Palestinian and Zionist sources dealing with the 1948 Palestinian exodus, Steven Glazer lists a number of early Zionist historians and writers, notably Joseph Schechtman, Leo Kohn, Jon Kimche and Maria Syrkin, who considered that:
"...the Arabs in Palestine were asked to stay and live as citizens in the Jewish state. Instead, they chose to leave, either because they were unwilling to live with the Jews, or because they expected an Arab military victory which would annihilate the Zionists. They thought they could leave temporarily and return at their leisure. Later, an additional claim was put forth, namely that the Palestinians were ordered to leave, with radio broadcasts instructing them to quit their homes".[33]
The implication of this position is that the Palestinians chose to leave, and thus forfeited their rights to their land, and must accept their own responsibilities for the plight they find themselves in.[33]. According to Benny Morris, between December 1947 and March 1948, around 100,000 Palestine Arabs fled. Among them were many from the higher and middle classes from the cities, who left voluntarily, expecting to return when the Arab states won the war and took control of the country.[34]
To: In a study of bias in Palestinian and Zionist sources dealing with the 1948 Palestinian exodus, Steven Glazer lists a number of early Zionist historians and writers, notably Joseph Schechtman, Leo Kohn, Jon Kimche and Maria Syrkin, who considered that:
"...the Arabs in Palestine were asked to stay and live as citizens in the Jewish state. Instead, they chose to leave, either because they were unwilling to live with the Jews, or because they expected an Arab military victory which would annihilate the Zionists. They thought they could leave temporarily and return at their leisure. Later, an additional claim was put forth, namely that the Palestinians were ordered to leave [by Arab leadership], with radio broadcasts instructing them to quit their homes".[33]
Steven Glazer adds:
"Zionist historians have been hard pressed to come up with much concrete, factual evidence to bear out their position. As stated, much of the Zionist case has rested on the theory that the Palestinians were ordered to leave by their leaders, a claim which has been difficult for them to substantiate, as evidence is lacking"
The implication of this (the Zionist) position is that the Palestinians chose to leave, and thus forfeited their rights to their land, and must accept their own responsibilities for the plight they find themselves in.[33]. According to Benny Morris, between December 1947 and March 1948, around 100,000 Palestine Arabs fled. Among them were many from the higher and middle classes from the cities, who left voluntarily, expecting to return when the Arab states won the war and took control of the country.[34]
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When the Haganah and then the emerging Israeli army (Israel Defense Forces or IDF) went on the defensive, between April and July, a further 250,000 to 300,000 Palestinian Arabs left or were expelled, mainly from the towns of Haifa, Tiberias, Beit-Shean, Safed, Jaffa and Acre, which lost more than 90 percent of their Arab inhabitants.[35] Expulsions took place in many towns and villages, particularly along the Tel Aviv–Jerusalem road[36] and in Eastern Galilee.[37] About 50,000–70,000 inhabitants of Lydda and Ramle were expelled towards Ramallah by the IDF during Operation Danny,[38] and most others during operations of the IDF in its rear areas.[39] During Operation Dekel, the Arabs of Nazareth and South Galilee were allowed to remain in their homes.[40] Today they form the core of the Arab Israeli population. From October to November 1948, the IDF launched Operation Yoav to remove Egyptian forces from the Negev and Operation Hiram to remove the Arab Liberation Army from North Galilee during which at least nine events named massacres of Arabs were carried out by IDF soldiers.[41] These events generated an exodus of 200,000 to 220,000 Palestinian Arabs. Here, Arabs fled fearing atrocities or were expelled if they had not fled.[42] After the war, from 1948 to 1950, the IDF resettled around 30,000 to 40,000 Arabs from the borderlands of the new Israeli state.[43]
To: Whatever the reason for the exodus during the first months of the conflict, during the later parts it was clear there was a concerted effort by Zionist forces to terrorize the Palestinian population into leaving, using massacres as well as threats of massacres [33]. When the Haganah and then the emerging Israeli army (Israel Defense Forces or IDF) went on the offensive, between April and July, a further 250,000 to 300,000 Palestinian Arabs left or were expelled, mainly from the towns of Haifa, Tiberias, Beit-Shean, Safed, Jaffa and Acre, which lost more than 90 percent of their Arab inhabitants.[35] Expulsions took place in many towns and villages, particularly along the Tel Aviv–Jerusalem road[36] and in Eastern Galilee.[37] About 50,000–70,000 inhabitants of Lydda and Ramle were expelled towards Ramallah by the IDF during Operation Danny,[38] and most others during operations of the IDF in its rear areas.[39] During Operation Dekel, the Arabs of Nazareth and South Galilee were allowed to remain in their homes.[40] Today they form the core of the Arab Israeli population. From October to November 1948, the IDF launched Operation Yoav to remove Egyptian forces from the Negev and Operation Hiram to remove the Arab Liberation Army from North Galilee during which at least nine events named massacres of Arabs were carried out by IDF soldiers.[41] These events generated an exodus of 200,000 to 220,000 Palestinian Arabs. Here, Arabs fled fearing atrocities or were expelled if they had not fled.[42] LynEve ( talk) 01:29, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
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17:48, 25 July 2020 (UTC)The article uses the term "patrilineal". The source however uses the words "descendants of male refugees". They don't descibe the same group of people:
- Partilineal descendants would mean descendants of male refugees, their sons, and of their sons, and of their sons, etc. It would not include descendants of a daughter of a male refugee.
- On the other hand, the words "descendants of a male refugee" means all children and childrens' children etc. of a male refugee, including his daughters' children and their childrens' children.
-- PeterTrompeter ( talk) 11:06, 7 February 2022 (UTC)
@ Izzy Borden:
The term [Palestinian refugees] originally referred to both Arabs and Jews whose normal place of residence had been in Mandatory Palestine but were displaced and lost their livelihoods as a result of the 1948 Palestine war.
The term 'refugees' applies to all persons, Arabs, Jews and others who have been displaced from their homes in Palestine. This would include Arabs in Israel who have been shifted from their normal places of residence. It would also include Jews who had their homes in Arab Palestine, such as the inhabitants of the Jewish quarter of the Old City. It would not include Arabs who lost their lands but not their houses, such as the inhabitants of Tulkarm
The citation does not support:
Yes there were a small number of Jewish refugees, but they are not in scope for this article.
Onceinawhile ( talk) 21:12, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
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There is a citation needed on this page under the subheading Iraq. we found an article to support this text: http://www.thenewhumanitarian.org/report/89571/middle-east-palestinian-refugee-numberswhereabouts RhondaRosen ( talk) 17:16, 25 March 2019 (UTC)
It is a standard Israeli claim that UNRWA refugee status automatically passes to descendants while UNCHR refugee status never passes to descendants. Actually both claims are false in general, though it remains true that the two sets of rules are different. For UNCHR it is useless to rely on an executive summary; the only proper source is the Procedural Handbook, see "derivative refugee status". Zero talk 03:42, 20 February 2020 (UTC)
""During the 1948 Palestine War, 711,000 out of around 900,000 Palestine Arabs fled or were expelled from the territories that became the State of Israel.[1] The causes and responsibilities of the exodus are a matter of controversy among historians and commentators of the conflict.[19]"""
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There were only about 400,000 Palestinians in the territory that would become Israel in 1947. Most of the refugees, about two-thirds, were "Internally displaced" from one part of 'Palestine' to what would become another. NOT from the territories that became Israel. - -
UNSCOP's population estimates for the land that was allocated to the Jewish state was: (1947)
Jewish: 498,000 (55%)
Non-Jewish: 407,000 (45%)
- - -
Mitchel Bard, Jewish Virtual Library: http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/myths3/MFpartition.html "...The borders of the Jewish State were arranged with no consideration of security; hence, the new state’s frontiers were virtually indefensible. Overall, the Jewish State was to be comprised of roughly 5,500 square miles (about 55% of Palestine), and the Population was to be 538,000 Jews and 397,000 Arabs...."
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Benny Morris: http://www.zionism-israel.com/israel_news/2008/02/israel-and-palestinians-according-to.html - _
"....The displacement of the 700,000 Arabs who became "refugees" - and I put the term in inverted commas, as two-thirds of them were displaced from one part of Palestine to another and not from their country (which is the usual definition of a refugee)..."
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So there were Never even "900,000" in the "territory that became Israel", but app 400,000.
2/3 of the 600k-900k overall total went from one part of 'palestine' to another. (ie, WB to Gaza) Probably only 250,000 of the refugees were "from the territory that would become Israel". And widely agreed app 130k-160k remained in Israel. The kernel of the current 1.3 million.
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— Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.201.149.66 ( talk) 17:32, 17 October 2012 (UTC)
-- - Yes, absolutely, I am proposing an edit. I would gladly let some writing pro do it, but would give it a shot if you like as it would be a short, maybe medium size, paragraph and/or addition to/modification-of the current one. I would post it here for approval. Thank you -
PS: footnote [1] from which the error apparently comes, is a 'book' worth of text. I suspect an error in that report (rather than the wiki writer) being the use of "Israel" instead of the WHOLE territory that was to become BOTH Israel and Palestine. That's the only way that the refugee Total could be confused with the lesser PART that was from "the territory to become Israel" -
again marc, unmarc@gmail.com
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The Mitchell Bard source cited gives a figure of 1.2 million Arabs vs. 600,000 Jews at the time of the 1947 partition, page 32. I'm unclear on what the the 538K v 398K number is based. Huskerdru ( talk) 22:38, 5 February 2022 (UTC)
Gotcha, that makes sense, thank you for the clarification! Huskerdru ( talk) 17:25, 6 February 2022 (UTC)
"... the self-declared State of Palestine remains unable to absorb the Palestinian refugees, due to lack of de facto sovereignty over its claimed territories." There is no source quoted, and I can see only little logical merit to this claim. What stops the PA/State of Pal. to give them the (same) citizen status as to the other Palestinians, let's say from Area C? Those are not under PA sovereign administration either. Or do they actually have Palestinian citizenship, but the PA is not in the position (economically, in terms of infrastructure) to offer them the same range of services it provides to non-refugee citizens? Can't it be done with external (EU, US, UN...) help? It's an important distinction. If so, why? Is the cause, as claimed w/o source, the lack of sovereignty, or the lack of means, or maybe the lack of political will? Probably a mix, but that's exactly the point: discuss it, don't just drop in unsourced statements! Cheers, Arminden ( talk) 09:53, 4 April 2020 (UTC)
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Change: The term "Palestine refugees" originally referred to both Arabs and Jews whose normal place of residence had been in Mandatory Palestine but were displaced and lost their livelihoods as a result of the 1948 Palestine war.
to: The term "Palestine refugees" originally referred to persons whose normal place of residence had been in that part of Mandatory Palestine which came under Israeli control but were displaced and lost their livelihoods as a result of the 1948 Palestine war.
While there were some Jewish refugees from areas which came under control of Arab governments, they were a tiny minority. Current wording gives a falsely implies equivalency and "Palestinian refugees" never referred to them as such in the UN discussions. See, e.g., https://www.un.org/unispal/document/auto-insert-211401/
Change: Being the only refugees in the world to be mainly inherited, including unregistered,
To: Including unregistered,
See https://www.unrwa.org/who-we-are/frequently-asked-questions/, answering the question "Is the Transfer of Refugee Status to Descendants Unique to UNRWA?" - Somalian and Afghanistan conflicts have also resulted in situations in which refugee status is inherited. The assertion that Palestinians are the only refugees in the world to be mainly inherited is unverified.
The whole section titled "Origin of the Palestinian Refugees" is not presented in a neutral manner, with the Zionist case (that Palestinians voluntarily departed) prominent and the case that Palestinians were forced out obfuscated by tacking it onto the end of a paragraph making the Zionist case. The case regarding Palestinians being forced out deserves at least its own paragraph. Besides, the quote from Steven Glazer makes it appear that he agrees with the Zionist position that he notes. He does not.
Change: Whereas historians now agree on most of the events of that period, there remains disagreement as to whether the exodus was the result of a plan designed before or during the war by Zionist leaders or was an unintended consequence of the war.[32].
To: Whereas historians now agree on most of the events of that period, there remains disagreement as to whether the exodus was the result of a plan designed before or during the war by Zionist leaders or was an unintended consequence of the war.[32]. Some Zionist writings indicate that Zionists had planned, or at least intended the expulsion prior to the war, for example Ben-Gurion wrote in 1937:
"With compulsory transfer we [would] have a vast area [for settlement] .... I support compulsory transfer. I don't see anything immoral in it." ([Benny Morris,] Righteous Victims, p. 144)" (quoted from www.palestineremembered.com)
Change:
In a study of bias in Palestinian and Zionist sources dealing with the 1948 Palestinian exodus, Steven Glazer lists a number of early Zionist historians and writers, notably Joseph Schechtman, Leo Kohn, Jon Kimche and Maria Syrkin, who considered that:
"...the Arabs in Palestine were asked to stay and live as citizens in the Jewish state. Instead, they chose to leave, either because they were unwilling to live with the Jews, or because they expected an Arab military victory which would annihilate the Zionists. They thought they could leave temporarily and return at their leisure. Later, an additional claim was put forth, namely that the Palestinians were ordered to leave, with radio broadcasts instructing them to quit their homes".[33]
The implication of this position is that the Palestinians chose to leave, and thus forfeited their rights to their land, and must accept their own responsibilities for the plight they find themselves in.[33]. According to Benny Morris, between December 1947 and March 1948, around 100,000 Palestine Arabs fled. Among them were many from the higher and middle classes from the cities, who left voluntarily, expecting to return when the Arab states won the war and took control of the country.[34]
To: In a study of bias in Palestinian and Zionist sources dealing with the 1948 Palestinian exodus, Steven Glazer lists a number of early Zionist historians and writers, notably Joseph Schechtman, Leo Kohn, Jon Kimche and Maria Syrkin, who considered that:
"...the Arabs in Palestine were asked to stay and live as citizens in the Jewish state. Instead, they chose to leave, either because they were unwilling to live with the Jews, or because they expected an Arab military victory which would annihilate the Zionists. They thought they could leave temporarily and return at their leisure. Later, an additional claim was put forth, namely that the Palestinians were ordered to leave [by Arab leadership], with radio broadcasts instructing them to quit their homes".[33]
Steven Glazer adds:
"Zionist historians have been hard pressed to come up with much concrete, factual evidence to bear out their position. As stated, much of the Zionist case has rested on the theory that the Palestinians were ordered to leave by their leaders, a claim which has been difficult for them to substantiate, as evidence is lacking"
The implication of this (the Zionist) position is that the Palestinians chose to leave, and thus forfeited their rights to their land, and must accept their own responsibilities for the plight they find themselves in.[33]. According to Benny Morris, between December 1947 and March 1948, around 100,000 Palestine Arabs fled. Among them were many from the higher and middle classes from the cities, who left voluntarily, expecting to return when the Arab states won the war and took control of the country.[34]
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Change:
When the Haganah and then the emerging Israeli army (Israel Defense Forces or IDF) went on the defensive, between April and July, a further 250,000 to 300,000 Palestinian Arabs left or were expelled, mainly from the towns of Haifa, Tiberias, Beit-Shean, Safed, Jaffa and Acre, which lost more than 90 percent of their Arab inhabitants.[35] Expulsions took place in many towns and villages, particularly along the Tel Aviv–Jerusalem road[36] and in Eastern Galilee.[37] About 50,000–70,000 inhabitants of Lydda and Ramle were expelled towards Ramallah by the IDF during Operation Danny,[38] and most others during operations of the IDF in its rear areas.[39] During Operation Dekel, the Arabs of Nazareth and South Galilee were allowed to remain in their homes.[40] Today they form the core of the Arab Israeli population. From October to November 1948, the IDF launched Operation Yoav to remove Egyptian forces from the Negev and Operation Hiram to remove the Arab Liberation Army from North Galilee during which at least nine events named massacres of Arabs were carried out by IDF soldiers.[41] These events generated an exodus of 200,000 to 220,000 Palestinian Arabs. Here, Arabs fled fearing atrocities or were expelled if they had not fled.[42] After the war, from 1948 to 1950, the IDF resettled around 30,000 to 40,000 Arabs from the borderlands of the new Israeli state.[43]
To: Whatever the reason for the exodus during the first months of the conflict, during the later parts it was clear there was a concerted effort by Zionist forces to terrorize the Palestinian population into leaving, using massacres as well as threats of massacres [33]. When the Haganah and then the emerging Israeli army (Israel Defense Forces or IDF) went on the offensive, between April and July, a further 250,000 to 300,000 Palestinian Arabs left or were expelled, mainly from the towns of Haifa, Tiberias, Beit-Shean, Safed, Jaffa and Acre, which lost more than 90 percent of their Arab inhabitants.[35] Expulsions took place in many towns and villages, particularly along the Tel Aviv–Jerusalem road[36] and in Eastern Galilee.[37] About 50,000–70,000 inhabitants of Lydda and Ramle were expelled towards Ramallah by the IDF during Operation Danny,[38] and most others during operations of the IDF in its rear areas.[39] During Operation Dekel, the Arabs of Nazareth and South Galilee were allowed to remain in their homes.[40] Today they form the core of the Arab Israeli population. From October to November 1948, the IDF launched Operation Yoav to remove Egyptian forces from the Negev and Operation Hiram to remove the Arab Liberation Army from North Galilee during which at least nine events named massacres of Arabs were carried out by IDF soldiers.[41] These events generated an exodus of 200,000 to 220,000 Palestinian Arabs. Here, Arabs fled fearing atrocities or were expelled if they had not fled.[42] LynEve ( talk) 01:29, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
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17:48, 25 July 2020 (UTC)The article uses the term "patrilineal". The source however uses the words "descendants of male refugees". They don't descibe the same group of people:
- Partilineal descendants would mean descendants of male refugees, their sons, and of their sons, and of their sons, etc. It would not include descendants of a daughter of a male refugee.
- On the other hand, the words "descendants of a male refugee" means all children and childrens' children etc. of a male refugee, including his daughters' children and their childrens' children.
-- PeterTrompeter ( talk) 11:06, 7 February 2022 (UTC)
@ Izzy Borden:
The term [Palestinian refugees] originally referred to both Arabs and Jews whose normal place of residence had been in Mandatory Palestine but were displaced and lost their livelihoods as a result of the 1948 Palestine war.
The term 'refugees' applies to all persons, Arabs, Jews and others who have been displaced from their homes in Palestine. This would include Arabs in Israel who have been shifted from their normal places of residence. It would also include Jews who had their homes in Arab Palestine, such as the inhabitants of the Jewish quarter of the Old City. It would not include Arabs who lost their lands but not their houses, such as the inhabitants of Tulkarm
The citation does not support:
Yes there were a small number of Jewish refugees, but they are not in scope for this article.
Onceinawhile ( talk) 21:12, 17 July 2022 (UTC)