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The second line of the article currently says "...the Israeli government considers them to be "terrorists"." Wouldn't it be better to say "...the Israeli government describes them as "terrorists"., given that is the extent of our knowledge? We know what they call the fedayeen; we can hardly be expected to know what they think.
Lapsed Pacifist ( talk) 13:04, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
Very good article that passes all criteria except being incomplete. What are these guys doing today. That section is missing. The relation to Hamas should be expanded because of recent events in Gaza. Wandalstouring ( talk) 18:48, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
I'm at a loss:
-- first it says: "had different meanings to different people at various points" -- true enough
-- then "one who sacrifices himself" is opposed to "self-sacrificer(s)".
I don't see a difference, and indeed there is NO difference of opinion about the original /root meaning of the word.
Just cut the second definition. 85.178.65.247 ( talk) 06:00, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
I am rusty at editing Wikipedia articles, so may not be following the proper protocols. (Please excuse.) The following is purely linguistic comment about a lack of clarity in the section titled "Definitions of the Term." In the final paragraph of this section, we read:
"Beverly Milton-Edwards describes the Palestinian fedayeen as "modern revolutionaries fighting for national liberation, not religious salvation," distinguishing them from mujahaddin (i.e. "fighters of the jihad").[2] While the fallen soldiers of both mujahaddin and fedayeen are called shahid (i.e. "martyrs") by Palestinians, Milton nevertheless contends that it would be political and religious blasphemy to call the "leftist fighters" of the fedayeen.[2]"
The final sentence is ungrammatical and its meaning is unclear. I believe the writer's intent was to say the following: . . . Milton nevertheless contends that it would be political and religious blasphemy to characterise the leftist "fighters of the fedayeen" as "members of the mujahaddin."
While the article following the emergence of Fedayeen groups is good, early sections detailing its emergence seem more interested in talking about Israeli retribution than the fedayeen! Needs to be rewritten to better reflect the article's focus, because right now it is thinly veiled partisan manuevering. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.25.100.85 ( talk) 00:46, 29 April 2011 (UTC)
(Section formerly titled "Emergence")
This paragraph seems to belong on this Talk page, not in the actual Article:
In the actual article, I have attempted to boil these varied statistics down to a simpler summary. If anyone can provide additional and reliable citations, perhaps the figures for killed and wounded could be expressed as a range.
- Zulu Kane ( talk) 20:31, 12 May 2014 (UTC)
An anonymous editor (from IP address 77.126.249.42) made multiple additions and edits to this section, all which seem to be without citation (or with a dead link to an unreliable source). This includes the following:
Not only is that strongly worded, but it is without any citation.
A little further down, a similar — and, perhaps, redundant — addition, also without any reference:
The following was edited and added, with only a dead link citation:
Because the above subsumed and replaced the previous content, and makes multiple claims without any actual citation, I may simply restore the previous (and much simpler) text.
The following was added within the existing reference currently numbered 17:
Any of the above passages that remain without citation can probably be deleted.
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I deleted three types of content from the following paragraph:
After deleting all those items, nothing was left of this paragraph:
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Because President Nasser's rhetorical flourish "the disciples of Pharaoh" is merely a dramatic metaphor, and neither this article nor this section is about nor refers to ancient Egypt, I don't believe this use of the word "Pharoah" (within this quotation) needs a wikilink to that unrelated article. Just as "Islam" (used right afterwards, in the same manner) does not require (nor have) a link. Let's not muddy up this quotation with links which shine no light on the subject of this article.
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That's my current thinking, as I proceed into this minefield. I wonder what guidelines other interested editors are applying to their own contributions?
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Is this plug for a novel really appropriate or informative:
I think it could be deleted, without taking anything away from this article.
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This sentence, as written, does not make sense: "[...] it would be political and religious blasphemy to call the 'leftist fighters' of the fedayeen." I imagine it was intended to say either "[...] it would be political and religious blasphemy to call the 'leftist fighters' fedayeen." or "[...] it would be political and religious blasphemy to call the 'leftist fighters' of the fedayeen 'martyrs'." -sche ( talk) 01:16, 29 July 2014 (UTC)
Probably the most crucial fact there is to know of this entire article - were any Arab governments, particularly Egypt, funding the fedayeen prior to around 1955 when Israel's Operation Black Arrow was undertaken? The justification for that operation, in which dozens of Egyptian soldiers were killed unprovoked, was a fedayeen soldier found with Egyptian military intel. Is there any more evidence? Sources in this article state that prior to the operation, Egypt did not support the Palestinian terrorism. Can anybody with knowledge on this please shed some light.
The article says that Fedayeen groups united under the umbrella of PLO, while still using this concept also later on. In any case, no one is using the name "fedayeen" any more. My question is when has the term become obsolete - is it 1964, 1967, 1970 or 1982? GreyShark ( dibra) 13:03, 12 November 2015 (UTC)
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"misleading". The Fedayeen position according to the source is that any Jew who refuses to renounce Zionism is to be refused from any ostensible Palestinian state. You have inverted that logic and reworded it to read that Prior to 1974, the fedayeen position was that any Jew who renounced Zionism could remain in the Palestinian state to be created.
This misleadingly suggests it is an inclusionary policy, while in fact it is exclusionary according to the source. It is the former wording that is correct and true to the source, not the latter; this was a weak revert.
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"There has been inconsistency on the question of which Jews could remain in the new Palestinian state. Although the pre-1974 position of the fedayeen was that any Jew renouncing Zionism could stay, there have been suggestions that only those who were there before 1917 or, alternatively, 1947, could do so."So the wording preferred by Nableezy is almost an exact quotation. Nableezy's version also matches the source regarding which Palestinian state is being referred to—it is the state which the fedayeen sought to create. There is no support in the source for Wikieditor19920's version and I invite Wikieditor19920 to assure us that his/her misrepresentation of the source was accidental. Zero talk 06:59, 25 September 2019 (UTC)
There has been a question of which Jews could remain in the new Palestinian state. [Emphasis added.] While the most recent position of the fedayeen has been that any Jew renouncing Zionism could stay, there have been suggestions that only those who were there prior to 197, or alternatively, 1947, could do so... Since the "Zionist invasion" is generally understood to date to 1917, the conclusion is obvious.This provides direct support for my earlier, correct characterization of the text, and frankly, Zero's omission of that first line seems far too convenient. The source clearly describes the policy as excluding Jews who did not renounce Zionism and allowing only those Jews (apparently, not even all Jews that renounce Zionism) into a potential Palestinian state. If you believe otherwise, please feel free to get out your library card and provide the evidence. Until then, the line in the article should be edited to reflect the fact that this was in fact an exclusionary policy. Wikieditor19920 ( talk) 01:14, 26 September 2019 (UTC)
There has been a question of which Jews could remain in the new Palestinian state. [Emphasis added.] While the most recent position of the fedayeen has been that any Jew renouncing Zionism could stay, there have been suggestions that only those who were there prior to 197, or alternatively, 1947, could do so... Since the "Zionist invasion" is generally understood to date to 1917, the conclusion is obvious.I'll ask again, and this is the last time I will make this point: Do you believe that does or does not say that Jews who did not renounce Zionism may not remain in Palestine, according to the fedayeen? Wikieditor19920 ( talk) 23:43, 26 September 2019 (UTC)
That is it both in the body and in the footnote uses the phrasing that those Jews who were not Zionist would be allowed to remain. Yes, that necessarily means that those Jews who are Zionists would not be allowed to remain. I dont quite get why that matters. What the source supports is what our article says. nableezy - 00:10, 27 September 2019 (UTC)Since the fedayeen considered the attitude of the international community to be important in the liberation struggle against Israel, they made a concentrated attempt to transform their pre-1967 image as a group that merely wished to "throw the Jews into the sea" by stressing two points. First, non-Zionist Jews would be allowed to remain in the new Palestine and second, the new nation would be a "secular, democratic, non-sectarian state."
@ Zero0000:, I'm curious if you ever make a point that doesn't begin with a(n incorrect) bad-faith accusation. Also @ Nableezy: I believe you are mistaken. I am quoting from the exact same source as the two of you and the one that's cited in the article, the Bard O'Neil book. Apparently we share an understanding that the book describes a fedayeen policy that was ultimately exclusionary in nature, which some qualified exceptions. My issue with the article is that it describes the exceptions, but not the general policy as a whole. That would seem misleading to readers. Wikieditor19920 ( talk) 04:49, 27 September 2019 (UTC)
The following quote from the article:
Should be changed to:
The linked book is not a source for the quote. The linked book mentions the quote in passing to dismiss it, stating:
I could not find the origin of the quote, only places talking about it. Furthermore, all original fedayeen material is rather contradictory to the idea expressed in the quote, for instance while searching for the origin of the above quote I see in a Fatah pamphlet of the period:
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Change: "Most Palestinians consider the fedayeen to be "freedom fighters",[3] while most Israelis consider them to be "terrorists" " To: "Most Palestinians consider the fedayeen to be "freedom fighters",[3] while most Israelis consider them to be "terrorists" due to their attacks on uninvolved civilians" McGullivan ( talk) 01:17, 4 October 2023 (UTC)
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Remove the claim "Others argue that Israel "engineered eve-of-war lies and deceptions.... to give Israel the excuse needed to launch its strike", such as presenting a group of "captured fedayeen" to journalists, who were in fact Israeli soldiers" citing footnote 35. The source cited references another secondary source which cannot be found when searching google either in English or in Hebrew. Searching google for evidence of the claim that Israel presented IDF soldiers as captured Fedayeen terrorists also turns up no results. Whilst it is possible it could be true, there is no evidence to be found for the claim, and if it was true, it is likely there would be evidence that could be found as it is quite damning claim on the subject.
The source cited: https://www.kulturkaufhaus.de/en/detail/ISBN-9780791455852/Eisenberg-Laura-Zittrain/Traditions-and-Transitions-in-Israel-Studies-Books-on-Israel-Volume-VI
The source references the following for its claim: "See, for example, Eyal Kafkafi’s treatment of the episode in An Optional War: To Sinai and Back, 1956–1957 (Tel Aviv: Yad Tabenkin, in association with the Society to Commemorate Moshe Sharett, 1994), 99–101 (in Hebrew)."
Googling for this source yields 0 results, when googled in either English or Hebrew. Wesoifguhqeopia ( talk) 21:13, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
I am rusty at editing Wikipedia articles, so may not be following the proper protocols. (Please excuse.) The following is purely linguistic comment about a lack of clarity in the section titled "Definitions of the Term." In the final paragraph of this section, we read:
"Beverly Milton-Edwards describes the Palestinian fedayeen as "modern revolutionaries fighting for national liberation, not religious salvation," distinguishing them from mujahaddin (i.e. "fighters of the jihad").[2] While the fallen soldiers of both mujahaddin and fedayeen are called shahid (i.e. "martyrs") by Palestinians, Milton nevertheless contends that it would be political and religious blasphemy to call the "leftist fighters" of the fedayeen.[2]"
The final sentence is ungrammatical and its meaning is unclear. I believe the writer's intent was to say the following: . . . Milton nevertheless contends that it would be political and religious blasphemy to characterise the leftist "fighters of the fedayeen" as "members of the mujahaddin." — Preceding unsigned comment added by Edward Beach ( talk • contribs) 18:38, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
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In this phrase:
Most Palestinians consider the fedayeen to be "freedom fighters",[3] while most Israelis consider them to be "terrorists".
Please remove the quotation marks, resulting in the below phrase:
Most Palestinians consider the fedayeen to be freedom fighters,[3] while most Israelis consider them to be terrorists.
The sentence is talking about the ways that different people view them; it's not primarily talking about the terminology. Of course the terms are being discussed, but only to the extent of their meanings; the point is that they're celebrated by most Palestinians and abhorred by most Israelis, not that most Palestinians refer to them with two words and most Israelis with one. (Most people in both groups don't routinely use English anyway, so a words-as-words approach doesn't make much sense.) And it's not giving a specific quotation from a specific source, unlike the phrase "a secular, democratic, nonsectarian state" in the next paragraph. 123.51.107.94 ( talk) 00:42, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
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The second line of the article currently says "...the Israeli government considers them to be "terrorists"." Wouldn't it be better to say "...the Israeli government describes them as "terrorists"., given that is the extent of our knowledge? We know what they call the fedayeen; we can hardly be expected to know what they think.
Lapsed Pacifist ( talk) 13:04, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
Very good article that passes all criteria except being incomplete. What are these guys doing today. That section is missing. The relation to Hamas should be expanded because of recent events in Gaza. Wandalstouring ( talk) 18:48, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
I'm at a loss:
-- first it says: "had different meanings to different people at various points" -- true enough
-- then "one who sacrifices himself" is opposed to "self-sacrificer(s)".
I don't see a difference, and indeed there is NO difference of opinion about the original /root meaning of the word.
Just cut the second definition. 85.178.65.247 ( talk) 06:00, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
I am rusty at editing Wikipedia articles, so may not be following the proper protocols. (Please excuse.) The following is purely linguistic comment about a lack of clarity in the section titled "Definitions of the Term." In the final paragraph of this section, we read:
"Beverly Milton-Edwards describes the Palestinian fedayeen as "modern revolutionaries fighting for national liberation, not religious salvation," distinguishing them from mujahaddin (i.e. "fighters of the jihad").[2] While the fallen soldiers of both mujahaddin and fedayeen are called shahid (i.e. "martyrs") by Palestinians, Milton nevertheless contends that it would be political and religious blasphemy to call the "leftist fighters" of the fedayeen.[2]"
The final sentence is ungrammatical and its meaning is unclear. I believe the writer's intent was to say the following: . . . Milton nevertheless contends that it would be political and religious blasphemy to characterise the leftist "fighters of the fedayeen" as "members of the mujahaddin."
While the article following the emergence of Fedayeen groups is good, early sections detailing its emergence seem more interested in talking about Israeli retribution than the fedayeen! Needs to be rewritten to better reflect the article's focus, because right now it is thinly veiled partisan manuevering. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.25.100.85 ( talk) 00:46, 29 April 2011 (UTC)
(Section formerly titled "Emergence")
This paragraph seems to belong on this Talk page, not in the actual Article:
In the actual article, I have attempted to boil these varied statistics down to a simpler summary. If anyone can provide additional and reliable citations, perhaps the figures for killed and wounded could be expressed as a range.
- Zulu Kane ( talk) 20:31, 12 May 2014 (UTC)
An anonymous editor (from IP address 77.126.249.42) made multiple additions and edits to this section, all which seem to be without citation (or with a dead link to an unreliable source). This includes the following:
Not only is that strongly worded, but it is without any citation.
A little further down, a similar — and, perhaps, redundant — addition, also without any reference:
The following was edited and added, with only a dead link citation:
Because the above subsumed and replaced the previous content, and makes multiple claims without any actual citation, I may simply restore the previous (and much simpler) text.
The following was added within the existing reference currently numbered 17:
Any of the above passages that remain without citation can probably be deleted.
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I deleted three types of content from the following paragraph:
After deleting all those items, nothing was left of this paragraph:
Gilbertp58
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help page).- Zulu Kane ( talk) 00:18, 14 May 2014 (UTC)
Because President Nasser's rhetorical flourish "the disciples of Pharaoh" is merely a dramatic metaphor, and neither this article nor this section is about nor refers to ancient Egypt, I don't believe this use of the word "Pharoah" (within this quotation) needs a wikilink to that unrelated article. Just as "Islam" (used right afterwards, in the same manner) does not require (nor have) a link. Let's not muddy up this quotation with links which shine no light on the subject of this article.
- Zulu Kane ( talk) 12:01, 2 June 2014 (UTC)
Even though I, personally, have no axe to grind in this fight, I know I'm walking into a minefield by choosing to edit any article on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. But I can't help myself; as a frequent reader of Wikipedia, I want it to be readable to ordinary people. Here are the guidelines I'm trying to follow, and my general thinking, as I edit this page:
That's my current thinking, as I proceed into this minefield. I wonder what guidelines other interested editors are applying to their own contributions?
- Zulu Kane ( talk) 23:32, 13 May 2014 (UTC)
Is this plug for a novel really appropriate or informative:
I think it could be deleted, without taking anything away from this article.
- Zulu Kane ( talk) 07:27, 14 May 2014 (UTC)
This sentence, as written, does not make sense: "[...] it would be political and religious blasphemy to call the 'leftist fighters' of the fedayeen." I imagine it was intended to say either "[...] it would be political and religious blasphemy to call the 'leftist fighters' fedayeen." or "[...] it would be political and religious blasphemy to call the 'leftist fighters' of the fedayeen 'martyrs'." -sche ( talk) 01:16, 29 July 2014 (UTC)
Probably the most crucial fact there is to know of this entire article - were any Arab governments, particularly Egypt, funding the fedayeen prior to around 1955 when Israel's Operation Black Arrow was undertaken? The justification for that operation, in which dozens of Egyptian soldiers were killed unprovoked, was a fedayeen soldier found with Egyptian military intel. Is there any more evidence? Sources in this article state that prior to the operation, Egypt did not support the Palestinian terrorism. Can anybody with knowledge on this please shed some light.
The article says that Fedayeen groups united under the umbrella of PLO, while still using this concept also later on. In any case, no one is using the name "fedayeen" any more. My question is when has the term become obsolete - is it 1964, 1967, 1970 or 1982? GreyShark ( dibra) 13:03, 12 November 2015 (UTC)
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"misleading". The Fedayeen position according to the source is that any Jew who refuses to renounce Zionism is to be refused from any ostensible Palestinian state. You have inverted that logic and reworded it to read that Prior to 1974, the fedayeen position was that any Jew who renounced Zionism could remain in the Palestinian state to be created.
This misleadingly suggests it is an inclusionary policy, while in fact it is exclusionary according to the source. It is the former wording that is correct and true to the source, not the latter; this was a weak revert.
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"There has been inconsistency on the question of which Jews could remain in the new Palestinian state. Although the pre-1974 position of the fedayeen was that any Jew renouncing Zionism could stay, there have been suggestions that only those who were there before 1917 or, alternatively, 1947, could do so."So the wording preferred by Nableezy is almost an exact quotation. Nableezy's version also matches the source regarding which Palestinian state is being referred to—it is the state which the fedayeen sought to create. There is no support in the source for Wikieditor19920's version and I invite Wikieditor19920 to assure us that his/her misrepresentation of the source was accidental. Zero talk 06:59, 25 September 2019 (UTC)
There has been a question of which Jews could remain in the new Palestinian state. [Emphasis added.] While the most recent position of the fedayeen has been that any Jew renouncing Zionism could stay, there have been suggestions that only those who were there prior to 197, or alternatively, 1947, could do so... Since the "Zionist invasion" is generally understood to date to 1917, the conclusion is obvious.This provides direct support for my earlier, correct characterization of the text, and frankly, Zero's omission of that first line seems far too convenient. The source clearly describes the policy as excluding Jews who did not renounce Zionism and allowing only those Jews (apparently, not even all Jews that renounce Zionism) into a potential Palestinian state. If you believe otherwise, please feel free to get out your library card and provide the evidence. Until then, the line in the article should be edited to reflect the fact that this was in fact an exclusionary policy. Wikieditor19920 ( talk) 01:14, 26 September 2019 (UTC)
There has been a question of which Jews could remain in the new Palestinian state. [Emphasis added.] While the most recent position of the fedayeen has been that any Jew renouncing Zionism could stay, there have been suggestions that only those who were there prior to 197, or alternatively, 1947, could do so... Since the "Zionist invasion" is generally understood to date to 1917, the conclusion is obvious.I'll ask again, and this is the last time I will make this point: Do you believe that does or does not say that Jews who did not renounce Zionism may not remain in Palestine, according to the fedayeen? Wikieditor19920 ( talk) 23:43, 26 September 2019 (UTC)
That is it both in the body and in the footnote uses the phrasing that those Jews who were not Zionist would be allowed to remain. Yes, that necessarily means that those Jews who are Zionists would not be allowed to remain. I dont quite get why that matters. What the source supports is what our article says. nableezy - 00:10, 27 September 2019 (UTC)Since the fedayeen considered the attitude of the international community to be important in the liberation struggle against Israel, they made a concentrated attempt to transform their pre-1967 image as a group that merely wished to "throw the Jews into the sea" by stressing two points. First, non-Zionist Jews would be allowed to remain in the new Palestine and second, the new nation would be a "secular, democratic, non-sectarian state."
@ Zero0000:, I'm curious if you ever make a point that doesn't begin with a(n incorrect) bad-faith accusation. Also @ Nableezy: I believe you are mistaken. I am quoting from the exact same source as the two of you and the one that's cited in the article, the Bard O'Neil book. Apparently we share an understanding that the book describes a fedayeen policy that was ultimately exclusionary in nature, which some qualified exceptions. My issue with the article is that it describes the exceptions, but not the general policy as a whole. That would seem misleading to readers. Wikieditor19920 ( talk) 04:49, 27 September 2019 (UTC)
The following quote from the article:
Should be changed to:
The linked book is not a source for the quote. The linked book mentions the quote in passing to dismiss it, stating:
I could not find the origin of the quote, only places talking about it. Furthermore, all original fedayeen material is rather contradictory to the idea expressed in the quote, for instance while searching for the origin of the above quote I see in a Fatah pamphlet of the period:
Dotancohen ( talk) 09:21, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
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Change: "Most Palestinians consider the fedayeen to be "freedom fighters",[3] while most Israelis consider them to be "terrorists" " To: "Most Palestinians consider the fedayeen to be "freedom fighters",[3] while most Israelis consider them to be "terrorists" due to their attacks on uninvolved civilians" McGullivan ( talk) 01:17, 4 October 2023 (UTC)
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Remove the claim "Others argue that Israel "engineered eve-of-war lies and deceptions.... to give Israel the excuse needed to launch its strike", such as presenting a group of "captured fedayeen" to journalists, who were in fact Israeli soldiers" citing footnote 35. The source cited references another secondary source which cannot be found when searching google either in English or in Hebrew. Searching google for evidence of the claim that Israel presented IDF soldiers as captured Fedayeen terrorists also turns up no results. Whilst it is possible it could be true, there is no evidence to be found for the claim, and if it was true, it is likely there would be evidence that could be found as it is quite damning claim on the subject.
The source cited: https://www.kulturkaufhaus.de/en/detail/ISBN-9780791455852/Eisenberg-Laura-Zittrain/Traditions-and-Transitions-in-Israel-Studies-Books-on-Israel-Volume-VI
The source references the following for its claim: "See, for example, Eyal Kafkafi’s treatment of the episode in An Optional War: To Sinai and Back, 1956–1957 (Tel Aviv: Yad Tabenkin, in association with the Society to Commemorate Moshe Sharett, 1994), 99–101 (in Hebrew)."
Googling for this source yields 0 results, when googled in either English or Hebrew. Wesoifguhqeopia ( talk) 21:13, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
I am rusty at editing Wikipedia articles, so may not be following the proper protocols. (Please excuse.) The following is purely linguistic comment about a lack of clarity in the section titled "Definitions of the Term." In the final paragraph of this section, we read:
"Beverly Milton-Edwards describes the Palestinian fedayeen as "modern revolutionaries fighting for national liberation, not religious salvation," distinguishing them from mujahaddin (i.e. "fighters of the jihad").[2] While the fallen soldiers of both mujahaddin and fedayeen are called shahid (i.e. "martyrs") by Palestinians, Milton nevertheless contends that it would be political and religious blasphemy to call the "leftist fighters" of the fedayeen.[2]"
The final sentence is ungrammatical and its meaning is unclear. I believe the writer's intent was to say the following: . . . Milton nevertheless contends that it would be political and religious blasphemy to characterise the leftist "fighters of the fedayeen" as "members of the mujahaddin." — Preceding unsigned comment added by Edward Beach ( talk • contribs) 18:38, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
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In this phrase:
Most Palestinians consider the fedayeen to be "freedom fighters",[3] while most Israelis consider them to be "terrorists".
Please remove the quotation marks, resulting in the below phrase:
Most Palestinians consider the fedayeen to be freedom fighters,[3] while most Israelis consider them to be terrorists.
The sentence is talking about the ways that different people view them; it's not primarily talking about the terminology. Of course the terms are being discussed, but only to the extent of their meanings; the point is that they're celebrated by most Palestinians and abhorred by most Israelis, not that most Palestinians refer to them with two words and most Israelis with one. (Most people in both groups don't routinely use English anyway, so a words-as-words approach doesn't make much sense.) And it's not giving a specific quotation from a specific source, unlike the phrase "a secular, democratic, nonsectarian state" in the next paragraph. 123.51.107.94 ( talk) 00:42, 17 July 2024 (UTC)