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"It's strange. Dae-su and Joo-Hwan both address Joo-Hwan as 'sam-choon' which translate literally to "uncle". It could also be some sort of older male relative. (Such as a person's mother's cousin) However that would mean they were either brothers or brother-in-laws. The movie does not specify who is older, because they do not address each other as "hyung". (what a younger guy says to another guy, brother or not, who is older than them by a few years) They might possibly be the same age. However, in many korean people's experience, their dad's friends are called 'ah=juh-shi', NOT 'sam-choon'. Thus there are some possibilities.
1. Joo-Hwan is Dae-su's brother of the same/similar age. Because if Joo-Hwan was older, he would be called "hyung". Likewise If Dae-su was older, Joo-Hwan would call Dae-su "Hyung".
2. Joo-Hwan is Dae-su's friend of a same/similar age. This is most unlikely because he addresses himself as " Joo-Hwan sam-choom", not "Joo-Hwan ah-juh-shi"
3. Joo-Hwan is Dae-Su's brother in law. This is most unlikely due to the formality of how he is addressing Dae-su's wife.
4. Joo-Hwan is a distant relative to Dae-Su. Perhaps a second cousin or cousin's son or something?: -Mr. SmartyPants
"Actually, Joo-Hawn was Dae-su's friend, not brother. The word sam-choon (삼춘) in Korean is a term that is often used affectionately between children and close friends of parents." - -- Rommely 08:22, 15 June 2006 (UTC) -That is incorrect. Sam-choon means uncle.
That is debatable. I've never really called any of my father's very affection or close friends by that term. Rather I called them "ah-juh-shii" which is what Mido calls Dae-Su. Is it possible for someone to address another by "uncle" when they are not really related like that? Possibly, but It's not really definite what Joo-Hwan's relation is with Dae-Su. Either brother or friend. My first impression was that they were siblings. But friend does seem to make more sense.
I wanted to add that the person who picks up Daesu from the police station is his brother NOT his friend, on the phone conversation he says "som-chone" which is Korean for uncle. - Chris K. Lewis
Actually, Joo-Hawn was Dae-su's friend, not brother. The word sam-choon (삼춘) in Korean is a term that is often used affectionately between children and close friends of parents. - -- Rommely 08:22, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
The guy that bails Dae-Su out is his brother. This is evident when he's on the phone with Dae-su's daughter and says the word "sahm-chun" which translate to "uncle" in Korean. --—Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.49.210.72 ( talk • contribs)
I am Korean, and I guarantee that Joo-Hwan is NOT Dae-su's brother. Children or babies are supposed to call 'uncle' the friend of their father. I think that in English, it's the same. Indiana Pacers players called 'Uncle Reggie' Reggie Miller. Does it mean that Jermaine O'neil is the cousin of Reggie Miller? Egressio 20:44, 9 July 2007 (UTC) egressio
I think that we should prepare the 'FAQ' section with "spoiler warning" in this article. Many spectators leave the theater with lots of questions unsolved, sometimes because of cultural difference, sometimes because they couldn't pay attention to some details. I mean questions like "Why 15 years?", "name of chinese restaurant", "meaning of the title OLD BOY", "Evergreen thing", "meaning of the name Oh Dae-Soo", "Ants on a train", "Did Dae-Soo forget all this in the last scene?" etc.
One day, as it turned out, Dae-su had spied on Woo-jin and his sister, Soo-ah, and discovered that they were having an incestuous relationship -- i think it should be noted that Deasu wasn't aware that the scene he witnessed was incest when he blabbed about it, if I'm wrong about this somebody just change it back. 216.207.246.230 02:33, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
Oh Dal-su is also in Sympathy for Mr. Vengence at the very end, he is in that terrorist organization that kills the guy at the very end of the movie. As you can see, the reason I didn't make the change myself is because I don't remember the terrorist group name or the guy who was killed at the end. My question is Oh Dal-su , who is the jailowner, is also the guy who commits suicide with his poodle by jumping off the building when Dae Su is finally out of the jail. Do they expect people to not realize it's the same guy with the huge mole or what? Never understood that
-->> hey, You are confusing Oh Dal-Su (jailowner) and Oh Kwnag-rok(leader of anarchist gang and suicidal man). Check out the Recurring Cast in Park's filmography
I took out the Oldboy alternatie usage because this page is solely about the movie and it is distracting. The alternative Oldboy meaning should be in a disambiguation page not the Oldboy movie page.
imo the "ant scene" shows a condition of Delusional parasitosis - anyone agree and wants to put that into the main text?
"Ji-tae Yu" is transcribed as "Ji-tae Yoo" on my DVD cover, what's the right spelling? ( clem 19:27, 10 Apr 2005 (UTC))
the gas was said in the subtitles to be "valium gas" i believe, but it also said it was the same gas as used in the moscow theater? that is listed as Fentanyl... - Omegatron 03:15, Apr 11, 2005 (UTC)
I made some tiny changes in the Oldboy article. I'm very sure that he was not calling his wife for a ride but his daughter. I also delted the womanizing part because the movie never really showed anything to imply he womanized. I also removed the part where the clue was a wrapper. I'm don't remember a wrapper, but the way he found where he was imprisoned was by going to a lot of restaurants and tasting the dumplings. Remember how Mido was crossing out those words on that list? I don't want to step on anyone's shoes, I just wanted to correct what I'm very sure was incorrect. Hope no one is offended. ( usni Apr 16 2005)
I felt I had to include a bigger warning because I feel the ending is so critical for the movie that a person needs to be sufficiently warned.
I have watched this film three times and love how the director keeps little secrets. There are still some interesting details not up yet. I will post once I have the time. Cheers. - Zhixiong 03:04, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
I don't want to turn this into an edit war, but there's two ways to read this sentence
I see the subject as being Mi-do (i.e. Dae-su has chosen to live a life with Mi-do (break) as her lover) rather than seeing Dae-su as the subject (i.e. Dae-su has chosen to live a life (break) with Mi-do as his lover)
Which is grammatically correct, and why? If both are correct, the sentence needs to be reworded so as not to lead to confusion. Sarge Baldy June 29, 2005 22:17 (UTC)
this is an exceptionally written plot summary, IMHO. whoever wrote this page should take on some of the other movie synopses on wikipedia. Streamless 13:30, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
The plot summary seems to follow-up every single major point in the plot that even reveals the ending. No matter how well it is written, the Plot Summary should not reveal the whole story but merely be what the story is about. The time the author took to write the plot summary is laudable and appreciated by the fans of Wikipedia, but this reveals way too much. This, in my belief, kills the very movie and its story-driven action. I think the author of this page should cut the plot summary down to what is sufficient in explaining what the story is about and not give the whole story away. But then again, this is just my opinion.
The Plot Summary does indeed give away the entire film, which it should not. It should be a paragrpah or so, according to WP's film template page. Geoff B 02:17, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
I pulled this summary off of Rotten Tomatoes and did some minor editing: The story follows Dae-Su who is locked in a hotel room for 15 years without knowing his captor's motives. When he is finally released, Dae Su finds himself still trapped in a web of conspiracy and strangeness. His own quest for vengeance becomes tied in with romance when he falls for an attractive sushi chef, who may or may not be involved with the bizarre mystery. Not sure how to link the current spoiler-ific summary for those who want it. Any help is appreciated.
Why not put it in the introduction? I'll just do it myself. People need to really start putting three/four sentence synopses in the introduction for movie articles. Ant6n ( talk) 09:22, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
"Indeed, upon release, it was proven that Zinda was nearly identical" - source
"A few Indian films are indeed "remakes" of American films, sometimes even copying the entire film nearly line for line" - source
"Sometimes even the biggest Indian superstars like Amitabh Bachchan are cast in such movies which are exact replica of foreign movies." - source
"Oldboy is one of the first instances in which a non-American film has been remade." - this is total BS.
"Another movie from Hong Kong called "The Eye" was supposedly copied to make an Indian movie Naina." - source
"Famous Indian directors like Rakesh Roshan also copied various parts of "ET" to make a hit Indian movie called "Koi Mil Gaya" but he denies any such allegations. Currently he is about to launch a sequel to this called "Krish" which apparently has got some similarities with Matrix Revolutions. Plagiarism is very common in Bollywood industry and it majorly runs on remakes violating copyrights as the returns are not enough to pay for the copyrights." source.
Sources, and plenty of them, need to be found, or a whole load of 'allegedly's need to be dropped into that whole section. I'll give it a couple of days and if it's not changed I'll severely trim it myself. Opinions? Geoff B 02:15, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
"Eventually, the rumor grew out of proportion until it involved Soo-ah becoming pregnant. It is not clear whether this did in fact occur,"
I just watched the film, and it seems to be pretty clear that Soo-ah wasn't pregnant, but that she believed she was, and it is stated that Dae Su 'got her pregnant with his tongue' or something like that...there doesnt seem to be any lack of clarity as to whether or not she actually did get pregnant, it seems pretty clear to me at least that she *wasn't*, but believed she was.
We don't really have any way of establishing whether she was or not. I think the only info we get is from Woo-jin, and he's hardly likely to admit getting his own sister up the duff and sharing responsibility for her suicide. He prefers to blame Dae-su. Geoff B 20:28, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
what type of gun was used? 69.137.223.153 02:44, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
IIRC it was a derringer. Geoff B 05:08, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
The Virginia Tech connection merits a section outside "Trivia": there are too many sources. Ichormosquito 22:59, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
Somebody should request protection! This movie could be a target for vandalism.
Ehh... I actually think this section should be deleted. The evidence is pretty flimsy and the "Sky News" citation that claims he watched the film repeatedly (something i haven't read anywhere else) can't even be trusted to get the name of the Virginia Governor correct (calling him Tom instead of Tim)
I suggest the section be removed from the article, as it is not relevant to the movie itself. And please, do we really need to go to every movie article and put up a section if anybody claimed there was a connection between that movie and some lunatic who may or may not have been influenced by it? Shaolin Samurai 11:35, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
There is no evidence whatsoever that Cho had ever watched "Oldboy." chunwook 03:16, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
We really need your help. The page is quite a mess and needs some updating. And please add a "Reaction" page as well as a "production page too.
The plot is WAAAY too large (WAY over the average of I think 900 words per movie [with culturally significant movies usually getting more]), the Zinda controversy is stated twice in two different places and neither of them have sources, the box office section has no sources, in fact, the only place WITH sources seems to be how it won different awards. In fact, I'll just list what this article needs.
1] Shorten the plot length 2] Provide sources for Zinda controversy 3] Provide sources or just get rid of the 'open interpretation of ending' section 4] The production section seems vaguely like a trivia section, so please provide sources (and put it into prose) or merge with other parts of the article
This isn't a horrible article, it's not necessarily a bad one, it's just put together wrong and unsourced. 72.200.27.179 05:48, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
No wonder that the plot is excessively detailed, as it is a copypaste from the IMDB page. The IMDB copyright and conditions of use says this: This site or any portion of this site may not be reproduced, duplicated, copied, sold, resold, visited, or otherwise exploited for any commercial purpose without express written consent of IMDb.
Is the plot copied illegally?
83.108.42.40 22:04, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
I just read the whole Manga (8 vols.) but the movie is better. The reason of capture and release is not clear in the Manga. Please see the thread "Ending" in the discussion section of the Manga ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Old_Boy_%28manga%29#Ending.3F.3F)
Not quite sure enough of my French to correct it, but I'm pretty sure that "film" takes the plural - not "noir" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.247.109.152 ( talk) 05:50, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
The layout is horrible, and everything about this article is just horrendous. What happened to the last DECENT edit that was added? Why on earth has a musical score been added into the middle of an article and why is everything on single headers? Whoever had the screwed up idea of rewriting or restructuring the article would do best to go away and cry. Shame that in this instance, the "pirahna process" ate this article as live bait. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.130.154.200 ( talk) 01:57, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
I heard a rumor that an American adaptation is in the works? If this is true, would it be worth adding something to the article mentioning the adaptation? Pwojdacz ( talk)
Is there a particular consensus as to which poster is used for foreign films, the American poster or the original one? Because most foreign film articles I've seen have the original poster. If no one has any complaints I'll try finding the Korean poster for Oldboy.-- CyberGhostface ( talk) 23:36, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
MOS:FILM#Image says to use the original theatrical release poster, and Oldboy came out in South Korea long before other territories. PC78, why are you arguing for the English-language poster? — Erik ( talk • contrib) 14:23, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
I don't really see where the "international recognition" plays a factor in this - even in our articles on the most noted foreign films ever, we generally use the original poster, regardless of which country/language this is. There's also an argument that using the US poster constitutes a bias, not only towards English, but also towards the American release in particular. Aesthetics and box office performance are not compelling arguments in this regard, in my view. Girolamo Savonarola ( talk) 00:15, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
I do not think that you have reached a real consensus about the poster to be taken. For me it is more appropriate to include the english language poster if the film had a release. The title of the article is Oldboy, not Oldeuboi.-- Johnny Freak ( talk) 13:44, 18 February 2015 (UTC)
I've just watched the film and came to this article to better understand this, but it isn't even said here. Right before Woo-jin leaves the penthouse, the tape reproduces Mi-do's saying "you have to know", while having sex with Dae-su, suggesting she already knew it. By the time Woo-jin leaves, he asks Dae-su if they will be able to live knowing about their relationship, which enforces the fact that they both know. But then, if wouldn't make sense that box when she's enprisioned or Dae-su being hypnotized to forget about it. What do you think? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 187.114.188.250 ( talk) 20:36, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
Neither knew. During the sex scene, she says, "Ajeossi, it hurts so much. I'm enduring it, you have to know [that]." Before Woo-jin kills himself, he says that he and his sister loved each other knowing about their familial relationship, and asks if Daesu and Mido could have done the same. That's what happens in the original Korean version, without subtitles. Arumdaum ( talk) 02:19, 14 December 2014 (UTC)
People read movies reviews to get an idea as to whether a new movie is worth their money and time to see. Therefore I believe that reviews should never give away any of the surprises that the writer and director intend the viewer to experience -- let alone the ending.
Encyclopedia entries on movies are not reviews. People read them to learn about the movie and what makes it significant. Imagine a review of Bonnie and Clyde that did not mention the ending of the movie and the impact of the final scene! Ditto Henry the Serial Killer. Therefore, I assume someone who comes to Wikipedia is here to learn about the movie in as much detail as possible -- not for a review. In the case of Oldboy that would include revealing who the puppet-master is, why he wants revenge, and the nature of the enigmatic ending.
Forgot to add ( 71.22.47.232 ( talk) 08:09, 3 February 2011 (UTC))
The plot synopsis stated that Dae-Su found the 'Chinese' restaurant after specifying that he was fed Mandu (dumplings). Mandu is Korean; is there anything in the movie specifying the restaurant as Chinese? If so it should be changed back, but I'm not entirely sure the Mandu link is appropriate. Googlypoo ( talk) 06:48, 5 January 2012 (UTC)
Daesu refers to it in the film as gunmandu, but I'm pretty sure the restaurants he goes to are Chinese. Chinese restaurants in Korea though are often Koreanized, like Chinese restaurants in America are often Americanized, and serve things like jjajangmyeon, jjamppong, and tangsuyuk, which tend to be perceived as Chinese food in Korea, but often Korean food elsewhere. The style of the restaurants he goes to also seems Chinese. Arumdaum ( talk) 02:31, 14 December 2014 (UTC)
I removed the following:
as I feel that it is an intentional attempt to mitigate the scenes impact. Given that octopi are treated by scientists globally as 'unofficial vertebrate' given their extremely high intelligence and sensory perception on par with a young human there are entirely different subsets of laws in regards to anything conducted on octopi that may injure or cause distress to it given it's high intellect and sentience. To see a patently absurd attempt at justification would leave the paragraph open to further clarification for context and pointing out that it is illegal in all first world nations to do this for that very reason (ie: to stop people using 'culture' as an excuse for cruelty and bizarre antics. Which is a fair and very valid point.
Rather than trying to balance the POV I feel it is better simply to remove it. The whole 'lolactor prayed for them' is kind of pushing it also. I am open to suggestions on what to do with that. 60.225.64.166 ( talk) 07:06, 6 July 2013 (UTC)
It should be included, as it helps non-Korean viewers have a better understanding of the scene. It's a Korean movie which was mainly intended for a Korean audience, but happened to find popularity around the globe. Vertebrates such as cows, pigs, and sheep are eaten all over the globe. Your personal views on octopi shouldn't remove needed information.
"First world nations," whether referring to the United States and its Cold War allies, or wealthy countries with advanced economies, do not have a common culture or a common system of laws. The consumption of live octopi is legal in South Korea, which falls into the category of both a US Cold War ally and a wealthy country with an advanced economy. I'm actually unsure of whether there is any country which forbids serving live octopus. Its consumption is totally normal. Most of the impact is supposed to come from him stuffing it into his mouth and eating it whole, not the fact that he's consuming a live octopus, which when cut up is pretty normal.
This is from a person who previously lived in Korea, and visited it often, with both parents being Korean. Arumdaum ( talk) 01:48, 14 December 2014 (UTC)
There's an editor Live to Die that keeps removing the one-liner about the 2013 remake from the lead section. Its pretty standard to include mention of remakes in lead paragraphs of the source movies, see for example The Man Who Knew Too Much (1934 film), Scarface (1932 film), The Italian Job, The Thomas Crown Affair (1968 film) and Avatar: The Last Airbender. Is there any reason why that line keeps getting removed? The editor has also been warned multiple times by a few editors on his talk page regarding his "enthusiasm" in this article and the article about the 2013 remake. Zhanzhao ( talk) 04:42, 6 December 2013 (UTC)
Hi, people. Recently Derevation added a table here, in Zinda (film), and in Oldboy (2013 film). I wanna dispute its relevance. The table doesn't is self-explanatory (well, there's only a few names but what they represent?); and even if it was a well-made table what's its relevance at all? Isn't prose preferable in this case? Gabriel Yuji ( talk) 16:34, 12 December 2014 (UTC)
Comment The tables should be removed. You can link to the films in the prose, but creating tables to supply the cast information is arbitrary and unnecessary. If readers are interested in the cast of the other films they can read those articles. Betty Logan ( talk) 20:32, 12 December 2014 (UTC)
I just saw blu-ray version and noticed they cut out the mice-scene? Does anyone else notice this?
Also, I swear before I saw a difference octopus eating scene, like the octopus was smaller... and looked CG... Andwan0 ( talk) 09:59, 19 March 2015 (UTC)
"Dae-su finds the hypnotist from the prison to erase his knowledge of Mi-do being his daughter, so that they can stay happy together." I suggest rewriting this statement. "Stay happy together" might be misconstrued to mean that they want to be together, when all Dae-su wants is to erase his memory. And why the hell did he track down the hynotist who had caused him so much trouble in the first place? 119.74.93.242 ( talk) 10:58, 4 December 2018 (UTC)
@ Zhanzhao: regarding your reversal of my edit, it is true that the 2013 film is a remake, but it is not notable enough to be included in the lead. The article of the movie itself ( Oldboy (2013 film)) even states that "The film was a box office bomb; it had one of worst box office performances of Lee's directing career." For example, Total Recall (2012 film) isn't worth mentioning in the lead of Total Recall (1990 film), because the 2012 film "has negative reviews from critics" and isn't notable. Ben-Hur (2016 film), which the lead states "received generally negative reviews and was a box office bomb" is not included in the lead of Ben-Hur (1959 film). Some1 ( talk) 03:39, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
The redirect Oldboy (2003 film has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 March 3 § Oldboy (2003 film until a consensus is reached. Utopes ( talk / cont) 18:15, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
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"It's strange. Dae-su and Joo-Hwan both address Joo-Hwan as 'sam-choon' which translate literally to "uncle". It could also be some sort of older male relative. (Such as a person's mother's cousin) However that would mean they were either brothers or brother-in-laws. The movie does not specify who is older, because they do not address each other as "hyung". (what a younger guy says to another guy, brother or not, who is older than them by a few years) They might possibly be the same age. However, in many korean people's experience, their dad's friends are called 'ah=juh-shi', NOT 'sam-choon'. Thus there are some possibilities.
1. Joo-Hwan is Dae-su's brother of the same/similar age. Because if Joo-Hwan was older, he would be called "hyung". Likewise If Dae-su was older, Joo-Hwan would call Dae-su "Hyung".
2. Joo-Hwan is Dae-su's friend of a same/similar age. This is most unlikely because he addresses himself as " Joo-Hwan sam-choom", not "Joo-Hwan ah-juh-shi"
3. Joo-Hwan is Dae-Su's brother in law. This is most unlikely due to the formality of how he is addressing Dae-su's wife.
4. Joo-Hwan is a distant relative to Dae-Su. Perhaps a second cousin or cousin's son or something?: -Mr. SmartyPants
"Actually, Joo-Hawn was Dae-su's friend, not brother. The word sam-choon (삼춘) in Korean is a term that is often used affectionately between children and close friends of parents." - -- Rommely 08:22, 15 June 2006 (UTC) -That is incorrect. Sam-choon means uncle.
That is debatable. I've never really called any of my father's very affection or close friends by that term. Rather I called them "ah-juh-shii" which is what Mido calls Dae-Su. Is it possible for someone to address another by "uncle" when they are not really related like that? Possibly, but It's not really definite what Joo-Hwan's relation is with Dae-Su. Either brother or friend. My first impression was that they were siblings. But friend does seem to make more sense.
I wanted to add that the person who picks up Daesu from the police station is his brother NOT his friend, on the phone conversation he says "som-chone" which is Korean for uncle. - Chris K. Lewis
Actually, Joo-Hawn was Dae-su's friend, not brother. The word sam-choon (삼춘) in Korean is a term that is often used affectionately between children and close friends of parents. - -- Rommely 08:22, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
The guy that bails Dae-Su out is his brother. This is evident when he's on the phone with Dae-su's daughter and says the word "sahm-chun" which translate to "uncle" in Korean. --—Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.49.210.72 ( talk • contribs)
I am Korean, and I guarantee that Joo-Hwan is NOT Dae-su's brother. Children or babies are supposed to call 'uncle' the friend of their father. I think that in English, it's the same. Indiana Pacers players called 'Uncle Reggie' Reggie Miller. Does it mean that Jermaine O'neil is the cousin of Reggie Miller? Egressio 20:44, 9 July 2007 (UTC) egressio
I think that we should prepare the 'FAQ' section with "spoiler warning" in this article. Many spectators leave the theater with lots of questions unsolved, sometimes because of cultural difference, sometimes because they couldn't pay attention to some details. I mean questions like "Why 15 years?", "name of chinese restaurant", "meaning of the title OLD BOY", "Evergreen thing", "meaning of the name Oh Dae-Soo", "Ants on a train", "Did Dae-Soo forget all this in the last scene?" etc.
One day, as it turned out, Dae-su had spied on Woo-jin and his sister, Soo-ah, and discovered that they were having an incestuous relationship -- i think it should be noted that Deasu wasn't aware that the scene he witnessed was incest when he blabbed about it, if I'm wrong about this somebody just change it back. 216.207.246.230 02:33, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
Oh Dal-su is also in Sympathy for Mr. Vengence at the very end, he is in that terrorist organization that kills the guy at the very end of the movie. As you can see, the reason I didn't make the change myself is because I don't remember the terrorist group name or the guy who was killed at the end. My question is Oh Dal-su , who is the jailowner, is also the guy who commits suicide with his poodle by jumping off the building when Dae Su is finally out of the jail. Do they expect people to not realize it's the same guy with the huge mole or what? Never understood that
-->> hey, You are confusing Oh Dal-Su (jailowner) and Oh Kwnag-rok(leader of anarchist gang and suicidal man). Check out the Recurring Cast in Park's filmography
I took out the Oldboy alternatie usage because this page is solely about the movie and it is distracting. The alternative Oldboy meaning should be in a disambiguation page not the Oldboy movie page.
imo the "ant scene" shows a condition of Delusional parasitosis - anyone agree and wants to put that into the main text?
"Ji-tae Yu" is transcribed as "Ji-tae Yoo" on my DVD cover, what's the right spelling? ( clem 19:27, 10 Apr 2005 (UTC))
the gas was said in the subtitles to be "valium gas" i believe, but it also said it was the same gas as used in the moscow theater? that is listed as Fentanyl... - Omegatron 03:15, Apr 11, 2005 (UTC)
I made some tiny changes in the Oldboy article. I'm very sure that he was not calling his wife for a ride but his daughter. I also delted the womanizing part because the movie never really showed anything to imply he womanized. I also removed the part where the clue was a wrapper. I'm don't remember a wrapper, but the way he found where he was imprisoned was by going to a lot of restaurants and tasting the dumplings. Remember how Mido was crossing out those words on that list? I don't want to step on anyone's shoes, I just wanted to correct what I'm very sure was incorrect. Hope no one is offended. ( usni Apr 16 2005)
I felt I had to include a bigger warning because I feel the ending is so critical for the movie that a person needs to be sufficiently warned.
I have watched this film three times and love how the director keeps little secrets. There are still some interesting details not up yet. I will post once I have the time. Cheers. - Zhixiong 03:04, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
I don't want to turn this into an edit war, but there's two ways to read this sentence
I see the subject as being Mi-do (i.e. Dae-su has chosen to live a life with Mi-do (break) as her lover) rather than seeing Dae-su as the subject (i.e. Dae-su has chosen to live a life (break) with Mi-do as his lover)
Which is grammatically correct, and why? If both are correct, the sentence needs to be reworded so as not to lead to confusion. Sarge Baldy June 29, 2005 22:17 (UTC)
this is an exceptionally written plot summary, IMHO. whoever wrote this page should take on some of the other movie synopses on wikipedia. Streamless 13:30, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
The plot summary seems to follow-up every single major point in the plot that even reveals the ending. No matter how well it is written, the Plot Summary should not reveal the whole story but merely be what the story is about. The time the author took to write the plot summary is laudable and appreciated by the fans of Wikipedia, but this reveals way too much. This, in my belief, kills the very movie and its story-driven action. I think the author of this page should cut the plot summary down to what is sufficient in explaining what the story is about and not give the whole story away. But then again, this is just my opinion.
The Plot Summary does indeed give away the entire film, which it should not. It should be a paragrpah or so, according to WP's film template page. Geoff B 02:17, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
I pulled this summary off of Rotten Tomatoes and did some minor editing: The story follows Dae-Su who is locked in a hotel room for 15 years without knowing his captor's motives. When he is finally released, Dae Su finds himself still trapped in a web of conspiracy and strangeness. His own quest for vengeance becomes tied in with romance when he falls for an attractive sushi chef, who may or may not be involved with the bizarre mystery. Not sure how to link the current spoiler-ific summary for those who want it. Any help is appreciated.
Why not put it in the introduction? I'll just do it myself. People need to really start putting three/four sentence synopses in the introduction for movie articles. Ant6n ( talk) 09:22, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
"Indeed, upon release, it was proven that Zinda was nearly identical" - source
"A few Indian films are indeed "remakes" of American films, sometimes even copying the entire film nearly line for line" - source
"Sometimes even the biggest Indian superstars like Amitabh Bachchan are cast in such movies which are exact replica of foreign movies." - source
"Oldboy is one of the first instances in which a non-American film has been remade." - this is total BS.
"Another movie from Hong Kong called "The Eye" was supposedly copied to make an Indian movie Naina." - source
"Famous Indian directors like Rakesh Roshan also copied various parts of "ET" to make a hit Indian movie called "Koi Mil Gaya" but he denies any such allegations. Currently he is about to launch a sequel to this called "Krish" which apparently has got some similarities with Matrix Revolutions. Plagiarism is very common in Bollywood industry and it majorly runs on remakes violating copyrights as the returns are not enough to pay for the copyrights." source.
Sources, and plenty of them, need to be found, or a whole load of 'allegedly's need to be dropped into that whole section. I'll give it a couple of days and if it's not changed I'll severely trim it myself. Opinions? Geoff B 02:15, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
"Eventually, the rumor grew out of proportion until it involved Soo-ah becoming pregnant. It is not clear whether this did in fact occur,"
I just watched the film, and it seems to be pretty clear that Soo-ah wasn't pregnant, but that she believed she was, and it is stated that Dae Su 'got her pregnant with his tongue' or something like that...there doesnt seem to be any lack of clarity as to whether or not she actually did get pregnant, it seems pretty clear to me at least that she *wasn't*, but believed she was.
We don't really have any way of establishing whether she was or not. I think the only info we get is from Woo-jin, and he's hardly likely to admit getting his own sister up the duff and sharing responsibility for her suicide. He prefers to blame Dae-su. Geoff B 20:28, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
what type of gun was used? 69.137.223.153 02:44, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
IIRC it was a derringer. Geoff B 05:08, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
The Virginia Tech connection merits a section outside "Trivia": there are too many sources. Ichormosquito 22:59, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
Somebody should request protection! This movie could be a target for vandalism.
Ehh... I actually think this section should be deleted. The evidence is pretty flimsy and the "Sky News" citation that claims he watched the film repeatedly (something i haven't read anywhere else) can't even be trusted to get the name of the Virginia Governor correct (calling him Tom instead of Tim)
I suggest the section be removed from the article, as it is not relevant to the movie itself. And please, do we really need to go to every movie article and put up a section if anybody claimed there was a connection between that movie and some lunatic who may or may not have been influenced by it? Shaolin Samurai 11:35, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
There is no evidence whatsoever that Cho had ever watched "Oldboy." chunwook 03:16, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
We really need your help. The page is quite a mess and needs some updating. And please add a "Reaction" page as well as a "production page too.
The plot is WAAAY too large (WAY over the average of I think 900 words per movie [with culturally significant movies usually getting more]), the Zinda controversy is stated twice in two different places and neither of them have sources, the box office section has no sources, in fact, the only place WITH sources seems to be how it won different awards. In fact, I'll just list what this article needs.
1] Shorten the plot length 2] Provide sources for Zinda controversy 3] Provide sources or just get rid of the 'open interpretation of ending' section 4] The production section seems vaguely like a trivia section, so please provide sources (and put it into prose) or merge with other parts of the article
This isn't a horrible article, it's not necessarily a bad one, it's just put together wrong and unsourced. 72.200.27.179 05:48, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
No wonder that the plot is excessively detailed, as it is a copypaste from the IMDB page. The IMDB copyright and conditions of use says this: This site or any portion of this site may not be reproduced, duplicated, copied, sold, resold, visited, or otherwise exploited for any commercial purpose without express written consent of IMDb.
Is the plot copied illegally?
83.108.42.40 22:04, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
I just read the whole Manga (8 vols.) but the movie is better. The reason of capture and release is not clear in the Manga. Please see the thread "Ending" in the discussion section of the Manga ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Old_Boy_%28manga%29#Ending.3F.3F)
Not quite sure enough of my French to correct it, but I'm pretty sure that "film" takes the plural - not "noir" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.247.109.152 ( talk) 05:50, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
The layout is horrible, and everything about this article is just horrendous. What happened to the last DECENT edit that was added? Why on earth has a musical score been added into the middle of an article and why is everything on single headers? Whoever had the screwed up idea of rewriting or restructuring the article would do best to go away and cry. Shame that in this instance, the "pirahna process" ate this article as live bait. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.130.154.200 ( talk) 01:57, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
I heard a rumor that an American adaptation is in the works? If this is true, would it be worth adding something to the article mentioning the adaptation? Pwojdacz ( talk)
Is there a particular consensus as to which poster is used for foreign films, the American poster or the original one? Because most foreign film articles I've seen have the original poster. If no one has any complaints I'll try finding the Korean poster for Oldboy.-- CyberGhostface ( talk) 23:36, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
MOS:FILM#Image says to use the original theatrical release poster, and Oldboy came out in South Korea long before other territories. PC78, why are you arguing for the English-language poster? — Erik ( talk • contrib) 14:23, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
I don't really see where the "international recognition" plays a factor in this - even in our articles on the most noted foreign films ever, we generally use the original poster, regardless of which country/language this is. There's also an argument that using the US poster constitutes a bias, not only towards English, but also towards the American release in particular. Aesthetics and box office performance are not compelling arguments in this regard, in my view. Girolamo Savonarola ( talk) 00:15, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
I do not think that you have reached a real consensus about the poster to be taken. For me it is more appropriate to include the english language poster if the film had a release. The title of the article is Oldboy, not Oldeuboi.-- Johnny Freak ( talk) 13:44, 18 February 2015 (UTC)
I've just watched the film and came to this article to better understand this, but it isn't even said here. Right before Woo-jin leaves the penthouse, the tape reproduces Mi-do's saying "you have to know", while having sex with Dae-su, suggesting she already knew it. By the time Woo-jin leaves, he asks Dae-su if they will be able to live knowing about their relationship, which enforces the fact that they both know. But then, if wouldn't make sense that box when she's enprisioned or Dae-su being hypnotized to forget about it. What do you think? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 187.114.188.250 ( talk) 20:36, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
Neither knew. During the sex scene, she says, "Ajeossi, it hurts so much. I'm enduring it, you have to know [that]." Before Woo-jin kills himself, he says that he and his sister loved each other knowing about their familial relationship, and asks if Daesu and Mido could have done the same. That's what happens in the original Korean version, without subtitles. Arumdaum ( talk) 02:19, 14 December 2014 (UTC)
People read movies reviews to get an idea as to whether a new movie is worth their money and time to see. Therefore I believe that reviews should never give away any of the surprises that the writer and director intend the viewer to experience -- let alone the ending.
Encyclopedia entries on movies are not reviews. People read them to learn about the movie and what makes it significant. Imagine a review of Bonnie and Clyde that did not mention the ending of the movie and the impact of the final scene! Ditto Henry the Serial Killer. Therefore, I assume someone who comes to Wikipedia is here to learn about the movie in as much detail as possible -- not for a review. In the case of Oldboy that would include revealing who the puppet-master is, why he wants revenge, and the nature of the enigmatic ending.
Forgot to add ( 71.22.47.232 ( talk) 08:09, 3 February 2011 (UTC))
The plot synopsis stated that Dae-Su found the 'Chinese' restaurant after specifying that he was fed Mandu (dumplings). Mandu is Korean; is there anything in the movie specifying the restaurant as Chinese? If so it should be changed back, but I'm not entirely sure the Mandu link is appropriate. Googlypoo ( talk) 06:48, 5 January 2012 (UTC)
Daesu refers to it in the film as gunmandu, but I'm pretty sure the restaurants he goes to are Chinese. Chinese restaurants in Korea though are often Koreanized, like Chinese restaurants in America are often Americanized, and serve things like jjajangmyeon, jjamppong, and tangsuyuk, which tend to be perceived as Chinese food in Korea, but often Korean food elsewhere. The style of the restaurants he goes to also seems Chinese. Arumdaum ( talk) 02:31, 14 December 2014 (UTC)
I removed the following:
as I feel that it is an intentional attempt to mitigate the scenes impact. Given that octopi are treated by scientists globally as 'unofficial vertebrate' given their extremely high intelligence and sensory perception on par with a young human there are entirely different subsets of laws in regards to anything conducted on octopi that may injure or cause distress to it given it's high intellect and sentience. To see a patently absurd attempt at justification would leave the paragraph open to further clarification for context and pointing out that it is illegal in all first world nations to do this for that very reason (ie: to stop people using 'culture' as an excuse for cruelty and bizarre antics. Which is a fair and very valid point.
Rather than trying to balance the POV I feel it is better simply to remove it. The whole 'lolactor prayed for them' is kind of pushing it also. I am open to suggestions on what to do with that. 60.225.64.166 ( talk) 07:06, 6 July 2013 (UTC)
It should be included, as it helps non-Korean viewers have a better understanding of the scene. It's a Korean movie which was mainly intended for a Korean audience, but happened to find popularity around the globe. Vertebrates such as cows, pigs, and sheep are eaten all over the globe. Your personal views on octopi shouldn't remove needed information.
"First world nations," whether referring to the United States and its Cold War allies, or wealthy countries with advanced economies, do not have a common culture or a common system of laws. The consumption of live octopi is legal in South Korea, which falls into the category of both a US Cold War ally and a wealthy country with an advanced economy. I'm actually unsure of whether there is any country which forbids serving live octopus. Its consumption is totally normal. Most of the impact is supposed to come from him stuffing it into his mouth and eating it whole, not the fact that he's consuming a live octopus, which when cut up is pretty normal.
This is from a person who previously lived in Korea, and visited it often, with both parents being Korean. Arumdaum ( talk) 01:48, 14 December 2014 (UTC)
There's an editor Live to Die that keeps removing the one-liner about the 2013 remake from the lead section. Its pretty standard to include mention of remakes in lead paragraphs of the source movies, see for example The Man Who Knew Too Much (1934 film), Scarface (1932 film), The Italian Job, The Thomas Crown Affair (1968 film) and Avatar: The Last Airbender. Is there any reason why that line keeps getting removed? The editor has also been warned multiple times by a few editors on his talk page regarding his "enthusiasm" in this article and the article about the 2013 remake. Zhanzhao ( talk) 04:42, 6 December 2013 (UTC)
Hi, people. Recently Derevation added a table here, in Zinda (film), and in Oldboy (2013 film). I wanna dispute its relevance. The table doesn't is self-explanatory (well, there's only a few names but what they represent?); and even if it was a well-made table what's its relevance at all? Isn't prose preferable in this case? Gabriel Yuji ( talk) 16:34, 12 December 2014 (UTC)
Comment The tables should be removed. You can link to the films in the prose, but creating tables to supply the cast information is arbitrary and unnecessary. If readers are interested in the cast of the other films they can read those articles. Betty Logan ( talk) 20:32, 12 December 2014 (UTC)
I just saw blu-ray version and noticed they cut out the mice-scene? Does anyone else notice this?
Also, I swear before I saw a difference octopus eating scene, like the octopus was smaller... and looked CG... Andwan0 ( talk) 09:59, 19 March 2015 (UTC)
"Dae-su finds the hypnotist from the prison to erase his knowledge of Mi-do being his daughter, so that they can stay happy together." I suggest rewriting this statement. "Stay happy together" might be misconstrued to mean that they want to be together, when all Dae-su wants is to erase his memory. And why the hell did he track down the hynotist who had caused him so much trouble in the first place? 119.74.93.242 ( talk) 10:58, 4 December 2018 (UTC)
@ Zhanzhao: regarding your reversal of my edit, it is true that the 2013 film is a remake, but it is not notable enough to be included in the lead. The article of the movie itself ( Oldboy (2013 film)) even states that "The film was a box office bomb; it had one of worst box office performances of Lee's directing career." For example, Total Recall (2012 film) isn't worth mentioning in the lead of Total Recall (1990 film), because the 2012 film "has negative reviews from critics" and isn't notable. Ben-Hur (2016 film), which the lead states "received generally negative reviews and was a box office bomb" is not included in the lead of Ben-Hur (1959 film). Some1 ( talk) 03:39, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
The redirect Oldboy (2003 film has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 March 3 § Oldboy (2003 film until a consensus is reached. Utopes ( talk / cont) 18:15, 3 March 2024 (UTC)