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Oppose – when the short name is ambiguous, the more full or official name is a good natural disambiguation; natural disambiguation is generally preferred to parenthetical disambiguation.
Dicklyon (
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04:10, 21 March 2016 (UTC)reply
I do not like inventing short forms names when a perfectly acceptable formal one exists. Do you have any evidence of broad usage that surpasses the present title?
RGloucester —
☎02:29, 22 March 2016 (UTC)reply
It's not an invented form, it's one that is used much more commonly than the formal name. "Oki" is definitely used most commonly. The corporate logo is "OKI" is all caps, and that's the name that is typically used, even by the company to refer to itself on its
own English webpage. "Oki Industries" is a less common alternate. The company's history that it published reflected this, it's entitled
"The 120-Year History of Oki Electric". "Oki Electric Industry" alone is almost never used; I can only find a few non-Wikipedia usages, but these all seem to be in contexts where the full name is used: "Oki Electric Industry Co. Ltd." "Oki Group" is relatively common as well. I'm not expert enough in google searches (nor can I be bothered) to quickly set out ratios, percentages, or changes of usage over time. But I do know in fact that the current WP name is definitely less common than at least three other alternatives. As an American comparison, I would say "Oki" is used about as commonly as "GE" (maybe a bit more); "Oki Electric" is used about as commonly as "General Electric" (maybe a bit less); "Oki Electric Industries" is used about as commonly as "General Electric Company": ie, not very often and generally only when the formal name is being set out.
Good Ol’factory(talk)02:46, 22 March 2016 (UTC)reply
I see plenty of hits for "Oki Electric Industry" in both
Google and Google News searches, comming from such sources as Reuters and The Japan Times. I see no need for a change from the present title. The lack of the "Co. Ltd." is a product of
WP:NCCORP, which prefers usage without such suffixes.
RGloucester —
☎03:37, 22 March 2016 (UTC)reply
I'm not saying the formal name is never used; I'm just saying it is less common than a number of others. I don't care that much about getting this article renamed, I literally saw it in passing and it was slightly jarring because I do know that the current name is not the most common way to refer to the company in English. But whatever. Wikipedia is weird that way sometimes. I'll just go have coffee at my local Starbucks Coffee Company New Zealand. Let me know if you want to come along, I can pick you up in my Toyota Motor vehicle. :)
Good Ol’factory(talk)04:02, 22 March 2016 (UTC)reply
"Oki Electric" is very common – partly because Oki Electric Industry has about 9 subsidiaries with that as part of their name, per
this page. Probably introducing this much extra ambiguity is not a great idea.
Dicklyon (
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04:16, 22 March 2016 (UTC)reply
I understood the article to be about the entire group of companies—original company and subsidiaries. The article is not terribly well written or structured, so it's a little hard to tell what was intended in this regard.
Good Ol’factory(talk)04:21, 22 March 2016 (UTC)reply
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User:Störm moved the article to "OKI (company)" despite that nothing has changed since the 2016 discussion above, and despite "OKI" being a violation of
MOS:TMRULES: "Follow standard English
text formatting and
capitalization practices, even if the trademark owner considers nonstandard formatting 'official'". "Oki" is the name of the founder,
Kibataro Oki, not an acronym. According to
the corporate brochure, it was founded in 1881 as "Meikosha, Ltd.", changed its name in 1889 to "Oki Electric Works", founded "Oki Electric Co., Ltd." in 1912, and reorganized in 1949 as "Oki Electric Industry Co., Ltd." in 1949. --
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Oppose – when the short name is ambiguous, the more full or official name is a good natural disambiguation; natural disambiguation is generally preferred to parenthetical disambiguation.
Dicklyon (
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04:10, 21 March 2016 (UTC)reply
I do not like inventing short forms names when a perfectly acceptable formal one exists. Do you have any evidence of broad usage that surpasses the present title?
RGloucester —
☎02:29, 22 March 2016 (UTC)reply
It's not an invented form, it's one that is used much more commonly than the formal name. "Oki" is definitely used most commonly. The corporate logo is "OKI" is all caps, and that's the name that is typically used, even by the company to refer to itself on its
own English webpage. "Oki Industries" is a less common alternate. The company's history that it published reflected this, it's entitled
"The 120-Year History of Oki Electric". "Oki Electric Industry" alone is almost never used; I can only find a few non-Wikipedia usages, but these all seem to be in contexts where the full name is used: "Oki Electric Industry Co. Ltd." "Oki Group" is relatively common as well. I'm not expert enough in google searches (nor can I be bothered) to quickly set out ratios, percentages, or changes of usage over time. But I do know in fact that the current WP name is definitely less common than at least three other alternatives. As an American comparison, I would say "Oki" is used about as commonly as "GE" (maybe a bit more); "Oki Electric" is used about as commonly as "General Electric" (maybe a bit less); "Oki Electric Industries" is used about as commonly as "General Electric Company": ie, not very often and generally only when the formal name is being set out.
Good Ol’factory(talk)02:46, 22 March 2016 (UTC)reply
I see plenty of hits for "Oki Electric Industry" in both
Google and Google News searches, comming from such sources as Reuters and The Japan Times. I see no need for a change from the present title. The lack of the "Co. Ltd." is a product of
WP:NCCORP, which prefers usage without such suffixes.
RGloucester —
☎03:37, 22 March 2016 (UTC)reply
I'm not saying the formal name is never used; I'm just saying it is less common than a number of others. I don't care that much about getting this article renamed, I literally saw it in passing and it was slightly jarring because I do know that the current name is not the most common way to refer to the company in English. But whatever. Wikipedia is weird that way sometimes. I'll just go have coffee at my local Starbucks Coffee Company New Zealand. Let me know if you want to come along, I can pick you up in my Toyota Motor vehicle. :)
Good Ol’factory(talk)04:02, 22 March 2016 (UTC)reply
"Oki Electric" is very common – partly because Oki Electric Industry has about 9 subsidiaries with that as part of their name, per
this page. Probably introducing this much extra ambiguity is not a great idea.
Dicklyon (
talk)
04:16, 22 March 2016 (UTC)reply
I understood the article to be about the entire group of companies—original company and subsidiaries. The article is not terribly well written or structured, so it's a little hard to tell what was intended in this regard.
Good Ol’factory(talk)04:21, 22 March 2016 (UTC)reply
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Comment:
User:Störm moved the article to "OKI (company)" despite that nothing has changed since the 2016 discussion above, and despite "OKI" being a violation of
MOS:TMRULES: "Follow standard English
text formatting and
capitalization practices, even if the trademark owner considers nonstandard formatting 'official'". "Oki" is the name of the founder,
Kibataro Oki, not an acronym. According to
the corporate brochure, it was founded in 1881 as "Meikosha, Ltd.", changed its name in 1889 to "Oki Electric Works", founded "Oki Electric Co., Ltd." in 1912, and reorganized in 1949 as "Oki Electric Industry Co., Ltd." in 1949. --
Closeapple (
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12:42, 23 April 2018 (UTC)reply
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