what does "solid roots" mean? 152.91.9.9 ( talk) 06:19, 5 June 2019 (UTC)jc
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The result of the move request was: use Oei Hui-lan, per the discussion below. Dekimasu よ! 00:40, 19 April 2018 (UTC)
Oei Hui Lan →
Oei Hui-lan – – reasons below
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Sunshine567: you moved Oei Hui-lan to Oei Hui Lan. The latter is indeed the standard orthography for Chinese-Indonesian names. Mme Koo, however, was not a typical Chinese-Indonesian and chose to spell her name "Hui-lan". I feel that we ought to respect her decision. This is also the spelling Mme Koo herself chose when she published her two memoirs, see:
It is also the spelling of her name under which she is best known in English language publications and at international public institutions, for example:
The romanisation and spelling of her name would have been very important to Mme Koo as a Chinese-Indonesian with limited familiarity with Chinese languages, living for the most part in western countries. I think you should move the article back to Oei Hui-lan.
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Reviewer: Carabinieri ( talk · contribs) 19:35, 11 June 2018 (UTC)
Hi, thanks for all the work you've put into this article. I've done some copyediting, mainly to ensure compliance with the Manual of Style.
Right now, I'm concerned about the article's heavy reliance on primary sources, namely the two autobiographies. While primary sources can be used, they should only be used sparingly (see WP:RSPRIMARY and WP:PRIMARY).
Here are a few more minor notes:
Carabinieri Hi, I'm back now. Thank you for offering to review this article. Please find my response to your comments below:
ClaraElisaOng ( talk) 08:25, 22 July 2018 (UTC)
ClaraElisaOng ( talk) 17:06, 28 September 2018 (UTC)
Hi Carabinieri, thank you for your work on this article! I've tried to address some of your concerns:
Thanks again! ClaraElisaOng ( talk) 12:21, 21 October 2018 (UTC)
Carabinieri Hi, perhaps you might like to have a look at the article when you have time? ClaraElisaOng ( talk) 03:15, 14 November 2018 (UTC)
I will take over this review. I will leave comments under this heading. AIRcorn (talk) 10:17, 2 February 2019 (UTC)
Her father, the tycoon Majoor-titulair Oei Tiong Ham, headed Kian Gwan, a company founded by her grandfather Oei Tjie Sien in 1863 that became the largest conglomerate in Southeast Asia at the start of the twentieth century.Maybe add what this company did.
Her mother, Goei Bing-nio, was her father's senior wife and only legal spouse andSo he had other wives? If that is the case how can she be his only legal spouse?
who served as BoedelmeesterWhats a Boedelmeester?
Oei's maternal Goei family traces its roots and prominence in Semarang back to the 1770s, and had initially resisted her father's social and economic riseDon't follow this
had an elder sister, Oei Tjong-lan, aka Gwendoline, from the same motherBut a different father?
In addition, her father had 18 junior wives and acknowledged concubinesOkay I am assuming Junior Wives are not considered spouses. Does the 18 just refer to the wives or is it including the concubines.
receiving a thoroughly modern upbringing by contemporary standardsI am not sure this works. I have never heard that phrase before as modern and contemporary basically mean the same thing. I think you are saying they received a modern upbringing by the standards of their time, or something like that.
The progressive outlook and attainments of the Oei sisters received the admiration of R.A. Kartini, a Javanese aristocrat and pioneering women's rights activist.This paragraph ends rather abruptly. Is it leading soemwhere? Is something missing? What relevance does Kartini's admiration have.
More to come. AIRcorn (talk) 10:17, 2 February 2019 (UTC)
By the time she died in 1992, she had survived her former husband and both her sons.Doesn't she have three sons?
A very nice article. Mostly minor points above. AIRcorn (talk) 12:45, 9 March 2019 (UTC)
Aircorn: I've tried to deal with all the above queries but in some cases I was not able to access the sources quoted and therefore could not verify the facts in question. Please let me know if there are any matters which require further work.-- Ipigott ( talk) 11:12, 21 March 2019 (UTC)
The lead has:
What is "solid"? Wealthy? Famous? Stemmed from influential families? I don't think "solid" is a word we can use here.-- Nø ( talk) 12:36, 5 June 2019 (UTC)
There's an obituary on Newspaperarchives.com for "Huilan Koo" of New York, Dec. 21 1896 - Dec. 1, 1992. These dates are "based on data from the US Government's Social Security Death Index." This same information can also be found here, which also cites the SSDI. Ancestry.com shows this same Huilan Koo (in the U.S., Social Security Applications and Claims Index, 1936-2007) filed a social security application on 12 Apr 1966 in the state of New York, living in New York city, and listed their father as "T H Oer" and mother as "B N Goer", though I'm thinking the 'r's on both parents names may have been mistakenly recorded on the file description as simply replacing the letter 'r' with the letter 'i' would perfectly match up their names and initials with that of Oei Hui-lan's parents. Lemunz ( talk) 04:46, 14 June 2019 (UTC)
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The result of the move request was: use Oei Hui-lan, per the discussion below. Dekimasu よ! 00:40, 19 April 2018 (UTC)
Oei Hui Lan →
Oei Hui-lan – – reasons below
ClaraElisaOng (
talk) 13:08, 12 April 2018 (UTC)
Sunshine567: you moved Oei Hui-lan to Oei Hui Lan. The latter is indeed the standard orthography for Chinese-Indonesian names. Mme Koo, however, was not a typical Chinese-Indonesian and chose to spell her name "Hui-lan". I feel that we ought to respect her decision. This is also the spelling Mme Koo herself chose when she published her two memoirs, see:
It is also the spelling of her name under which she is best known in English language publications and at international public institutions, for example:
The romanisation and spelling of her name would have been very important to Mme Koo as a Chinese-Indonesian with limited familiarity with Chinese languages, living for the most part in western countries. I think you should move the article back to Oei Hui-lan.
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Reviewer: Carabinieri ( talk · contribs) 19:35, 11 June 2018 (UTC)
Hi, thanks for all the work you've put into this article. I've done some copyediting, mainly to ensure compliance with the Manual of Style.
Right now, I'm concerned about the article's heavy reliance on primary sources, namely the two autobiographies. While primary sources can be used, they should only be used sparingly (see WP:RSPRIMARY and WP:PRIMARY).
Here are a few more minor notes:
Carabinieri Hi, I'm back now. Thank you for offering to review this article. Please find my response to your comments below:
ClaraElisaOng ( talk) 08:25, 22 July 2018 (UTC)
ClaraElisaOng ( talk) 17:06, 28 September 2018 (UTC)
Hi Carabinieri, thank you for your work on this article! I've tried to address some of your concerns:
Thanks again! ClaraElisaOng ( talk) 12:21, 21 October 2018 (UTC)
Carabinieri Hi, perhaps you might like to have a look at the article when you have time? ClaraElisaOng ( talk) 03:15, 14 November 2018 (UTC)
I will take over this review. I will leave comments under this heading. AIRcorn (talk) 10:17, 2 February 2019 (UTC)
Her father, the tycoon Majoor-titulair Oei Tiong Ham, headed Kian Gwan, a company founded by her grandfather Oei Tjie Sien in 1863 that became the largest conglomerate in Southeast Asia at the start of the twentieth century.Maybe add what this company did.
Her mother, Goei Bing-nio, was her father's senior wife and only legal spouse andSo he had other wives? If that is the case how can she be his only legal spouse?
who served as BoedelmeesterWhats a Boedelmeester?
Oei's maternal Goei family traces its roots and prominence in Semarang back to the 1770s, and had initially resisted her father's social and economic riseDon't follow this
had an elder sister, Oei Tjong-lan, aka Gwendoline, from the same motherBut a different father?
In addition, her father had 18 junior wives and acknowledged concubinesOkay I am assuming Junior Wives are not considered spouses. Does the 18 just refer to the wives or is it including the concubines.
receiving a thoroughly modern upbringing by contemporary standardsI am not sure this works. I have never heard that phrase before as modern and contemporary basically mean the same thing. I think you are saying they received a modern upbringing by the standards of their time, or something like that.
The progressive outlook and attainments of the Oei sisters received the admiration of R.A. Kartini, a Javanese aristocrat and pioneering women's rights activist.This paragraph ends rather abruptly. Is it leading soemwhere? Is something missing? What relevance does Kartini's admiration have.
More to come. AIRcorn (talk) 10:17, 2 February 2019 (UTC)
By the time she died in 1992, she had survived her former husband and both her sons.Doesn't she have three sons?
A very nice article. Mostly minor points above. AIRcorn (talk) 12:45, 9 March 2019 (UTC)
Aircorn: I've tried to deal with all the above queries but in some cases I was not able to access the sources quoted and therefore could not verify the facts in question. Please let me know if there are any matters which require further work.-- Ipigott ( talk) 11:12, 21 March 2019 (UTC)
The lead has:
What is "solid"? Wealthy? Famous? Stemmed from influential families? I don't think "solid" is a word we can use here.-- Nø ( talk) 12:36, 5 June 2019 (UTC)
There's an obituary on Newspaperarchives.com for "Huilan Koo" of New York, Dec. 21 1896 - Dec. 1, 1992. These dates are "based on data from the US Government's Social Security Death Index." This same information can also be found here, which also cites the SSDI. Ancestry.com shows this same Huilan Koo (in the U.S., Social Security Applications and Claims Index, 1936-2007) filed a social security application on 12 Apr 1966 in the state of New York, living in New York city, and listed their father as "T H Oer" and mother as "B N Goer", though I'm thinking the 'r's on both parents names may have been mistakenly recorded on the file description as simply replacing the letter 'r' with the letter 'i' would perfectly match up their names and initials with that of Oei Hui-lan's parents. Lemunz ( talk) 04:46, 14 June 2019 (UTC)