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Daily Telegraph of Sydney (Sep 2. 2005): " http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occupied--Japan Be wary of the "facts" but this is a good overview, with pictures and links to documents."
The novels and short stories written during this time have a special name because of its unique characteristics. Not sure what (name & characteristics) though. -- Menchi 04:34 2 Jul 2003 (UTC)
The large amount of text recently added (2005 Mar 12) by Revolutionary appears to be very similar to http://www.crystalinks.com/japan11.html, so I've removed it on the assumption that it's probably a copyright violation. -- JTN 23:03, 2005 Mar 20 (UTC)
Where there any armed resistance or insurgency?
-- Duemellon 13:58, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)
No -- and if the article doesn't make this and the reasons behind it clear, it needs some revisions. I'll see what I can do. -- Ambyr 13:36, 2 August 2005 (UTC)
Those in the armed forces that were most opposed to the peace treaty commited suicide shortly after the Emperor annouced their surrender. The Japanese honor code said that if you surrendered, you were disgraced, but also it also said you had to follow the emperor. There should be several books on this. Joncnunn 13:43, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
Does anyone have any kind of source whatsoever for the article's claim that trade unions were on the verge of instigating a full communist revolution, but all backed off because of MacArthur's fighting words? This sounds a lot more like wishful thinking. MrVoluntarist 02:06, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
I feel bad to give a Start assessment to such a long article, with so many pictures, and which, it is obvious, quite a bit of work has gone into. But the Occupation is such an incredibly major event, not only militarily, but also politically, economically, and culturally, there is a lot more to be said here. Particularly since I have heard recently of some scholarly texts and articles which take a rather contrary view on the Occupation, asserting that it was not as selflessly benevolent, as organized, or as positive as we all are taught it was. I am afraid I do not have the names of these sources, let alone the texts themselves, but I will look into it.
The jist was that the US didn't really have some magical knowledge of exactly how to handle the Japanese Occupation perfectly. The Showa Constitution and other laws put into place by the Occupation government were extremely strict, and were essentially knee-jerk reactions to the causes of the rise of militarism and outbreak of the war, with little concern or understanding for how a peaceful, productive nation could survive and develop under this system. Also, as the Cold War began to emerge shortly after WWII, the US apparently made an about-face in their treatment of the Japanese military. We disarmed them, wrote into their constitution a provision against having a military, and then turned right around and asked for their help in the Korean War and in the Cold War in general. I do apologize again that I do not have these sources on me, and am essentially just recounting my memories of a conversation with a friend. But suffice it to say, this is the kind of topic that entire books have been written on. This article is an excellent start, as it stands right now, but there is much much more to be written. LordAmeth 16:29, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
Everyone seems to think that America's occupation of Japan was good on both sides, but this is not true. When the American soilders occupied Japan, women who were once mothers, wives, artists, were forced by the soilders into prostitution. Many of them were sexually abused. The Americans took cultural buildings, such as traditional theatres, and turned them into dance halls, in attepmts to evaporate Japanese culture. And let us not forget the isolation camps back in America, isolationg anyone who looked Japanese.
"In a bid to occupy as much Japanese territory as possible, Soviet troops continued offensive military operations after the Japanese surrender, causing large scale civilian casualties." I see no point in this; this is reffering to combat operations in Manchuria and Korea- parts of Japan's empire, but not Japan itself. Otherwise, US landings at Inchon in southern Korea should be included in this section as well. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.110.19.170 ( talk) 00:51, 12 August 2011 (UTC)
If I were a Japanese female I would be extremely offended by the above paragraph (Negative Occupation).
The claim to know what "Everyone" thinks is very conceited. Since most women fall into one of the categories listed above, the writer has insulted the entire nation of Japan by stating that the current population is, or is decended from, prostitutes.
As for Japanese culture, it is alive and well. Imagine what it would have been like under Communism.
If the writer believes that Japan was better off in 1940 than it is today, tell that to all the Japanese woman that now have the right to vote. Tell that to Japanese women that have become engineers and politicians, making Japan one of the most powerful nations in the world -- all without the use of arms.
Thank you, I rest my case.
If you are the writer of the previous section, your case isn't very strong.
Chiss Boy
11:47, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
In face of the recent news, it seems obvious that author has very strong case, indeed. 207.126.230.225.
The article has the current flag of Japan (which is the same flag of the former Empire of Japan) as being the flag of occupied Japan, but didn't the Allies ban the Japanese flag throughout the occupation (similar to their ban on German symbols throught the occupation of Germany)? In Germany they provided for a modified C-pennant as a provisional civil ensign (see: Allied Occupation Zones in Germany and Flag of Germany). Wasn't there a similar ensign for Japan (a simple blue above red swallow-tailed ensign if I remember correctly)? 72.27.77.144 17:59, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
The flag should be changed to this one [1] from [2]. I'll try to find a place to to make flag requests for someone to create an SVG version. -- Scott Alter 21:58, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
The "Legacy" section of this article is simply a naive non-neutral consideration. It dismiss all the activities of the founders of the LDP and their links to the surviving showa regime leaders and "behind the scene" activists such as Yoshio Kodama. It also omit the work done bu the American Central Intelligence Agency against the Socialists and Communists. All the section should be reworded. -- Flying tiger 14:02, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
I had read on a few books. The books was about rapes in the World War II of japanese and russian soldiers. The american and australian soldiers was engaged in the masse rape of Japansese woman in the first years and was the worst example of masse rape committed of allied soldiers from the West in the World War II. On August 30, 1945 two marines went into a civilian house in Yokosuka and raped a mother and daughter. The marines was in MacArthur`s bodyguard as had landed only three hours earlier. In only two days was 11 rapes reported, one woman was gang-raped of 27 american soldies. On September 10 was 1.336 rapes reported. A BIG deal of the U.S. forces rape many japanese womans.
70.000 womans "work" for the organization Recreation and Amusement Association as prostitutes in only a half year. Many was forced as sex-slaves.
Go on Chris Boy, open deleted now. deleted. America was able to transform Japan by force. This same force was used in South Korea. It failed in Vietnam and it is failing in Iraq. America attempting to culturally invade other nations' cultures is not working any longer. The world is a smaller place, with TV/Internet and media. It is no longer possible for American soldiers to walk into a Japanese woman's house, S.Korean's house or Iraqi's house and rape their women without it being front page news. This is why the US will not be able to create a modern democracy(their fucked up version) in any country in the world. People are aware now, god knows how the Japanese can forgive the Americans for the atomic bombs. Deleted
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A History of Sexual Violence in Okinawa by U.S. Servicemen. Although formal U.S. occupation ended in 1952, Okinawa remained under U.S. military authority until 1972, when the island reverted to Japanese rule. The United States and Japan signed a SOFA in 1960 to establish, among other things, the jurisdictional boundaries applying to U.S. military personnel on the island. This relationship between the U.S. military and the local populace of Okinawa is marred with hundreds of allegations of sexual crimes. Okinawan police reports from 1945 to 1950, for example, reveal 278 reported rapes by U.S. servicemen, including the rape of a nine month old girl in 1949. Similarly, in 1955, local records indicate that a U.S. serviceman kidnapped, raped, and murdered a six year old Okinawa girl.
With the reversion of Okinawa to Japan in 1972, local authorities gained more authority to address problems caused by the U.S. military, but acts of sexual violence persisted nonetheless. A local human rights group, Okinawan Women Act Against Military Violence, cite Okinawan police records that report U.S. military personnel raped 200 Okinawan women between 1972 and 1997. This number, however, is likely to be artificially low not only because of the difficulty and uncertainty of criminal justice processes, but also because of the historical under-reporting of sex crimes. |
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“ | We Americans have the dangerous tendency in our international thinking to take a holier-than-thou attitude toward other nations. We consider ourselves to be more noble and decent than other peoples, and consequently in a better position to decide what is right and wrong in the world. What kind of war do civilians suppose we fought, anyway? We shot prisoners in cold blood, wiped out hospitals, strafed lifeboats, killed or mistreated enemy civilians, finished off the enemy wounded, tossed the dying into a hole with the dead, and in the Pacific boiled the flesh off enemy skulls to make table ornaments for sweethearts, or carved their bones into letter openers. We topped off our saturation bombing and burning of enemy civilians by dropping atomic bombs on two nearly defenseless cities, thereby setting an all-time record for instantaneous mass slaughter.
As victors we are privileged to try our defeated opponents for their crimes against humanity; but we should be realistic enough to appreciate that if we were on trial for breaking international laws, we should be found guilty on a dozen counts. We fought a dishonorable war, because morality had a low priority in battle. The tougher the fighting, the less room for decency, and in Pacific contests we saw mankind reach the blackest depths of bestiality. |
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“ | The first form of fury is most often linked to the hatred American troops felt towards the Japanese. The following words from a lieutenant of the 11th Airborne Division to his mother illustrate vividly this point: "Nothing can describe the hate we feel for the Nips--the destruction, the torture, burning & death of countless civilians, the savage fight without purpose--to us they are dogs and rats--we love to kill them--to me and all of us killing Nips is the greatest sport known--it causes no sensation of killing a human being but we really get a kick out of hearing the bastards scream" (p. 207). This hatred heightened the dehumanization of the Japanese soldiers whether alive or already dead. Most dead Japanese were desecrated and mutilated. "American soldiers on Okinawa were seen urinating into the gaping mouth of the slain. They were 'rebutchered.' 'As the bodies jerked and quivered,' a marine on Guadalcanal wrote of the repeated shooting of corpses, 'we would laugh gleefully and hysterically'" (p. 209). As the GIs closed in on the Japanese archipelago, the more the difference between combatants and noncombatants became fuzzy and almost pointless to them.
For instance, rape--which is considered a way to sharpen aggressiveness of soldiers, steeling male bonding among warriors, and, moreover, "reflects a burning need to establish total dominance of the other" (p. 211)--was a general practice against Japanese women. "The estimate of one Okinawan historian for the entire three-month period of the campaign exceeds 10,000. A figure that does not seem unlikely when one realizes that during the first 10 days of the occupation of Japan there were 1,336 reported cases of rape of Japanese women by American soldiers in Kanagawa prefecture alone" (p. 212). |
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I guess all this should make us wary of war. 218.186.11.235 ( talk) 16:10, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
@StorStark: You cite sources of 200 raped woman in more than 20 years in Okinawa and other incidents and actually compare these to the mass murder of tens of millions in Russia by Germany or in China by Japan? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.188.121.250 ( talk) 19:45, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
Shouldn't it be "The Occupation of Japan" or "The Occupation of Japan by Allied Forces" User5802 01:26, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
Not really. Compare with every article in Category:World War II occupied territories. The is always avoided. The forces which occupy do not seem to be always specified at the title. "Occupation of Japan" would be a reasonable rename but not all that different from the current title User:Dimadick —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dimadick ( talk • contribs) 08:00, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
Since no one else has suggested it, I'm going to go ahead and suggest that this be moved. I don't believe I've ever seen "Occupied Japan" used in a text with a capital "o", that is, as a proper noun. More common terms include "the Occupation", "the Occupation of Japan", "the Japanese Occupation" (though some confuse this for the Japanese occupation of various other territories such as China, Korea, Taiwan, Burma, etc), "the American Occupation", "the US Occupation of Japan", etc.
As can clearly be seen on the pages Japanese Occupation (a disambig), and Allied Occupation Zones in Germany, there is, contrary to Dimadick's assertion, no real consistent standard for avoiding naming the occupying power. Thus, I suppose, we could leave this open to further options. LordAmeth 22:02, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
Actually I never claimed we have a consistent standard for avoiding naming the occupying power. I just noted we do not have a consistent standard for always naming the occupying power either. As far as I know this is the only period in its history where the whole of Japan is under foreign occupation. So the addition of "American" or "United States" would not serve a disambiguation purpose.
Like before I think "Occupation of Japan" is the most reasonable name if we do rename the article. "The Occupation" would create disambiguation problems with many other articles covering historic occupations and "The American Occupation" with various former administrations by Americal military presence. Dimadick 09:12, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
I've moved the page, per the above discussion. Please let me know if you have any questions or concerns. - GTBacchus( talk) 00:05, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
(I'm Japanese.So,I'm not english speaker.) Japanese flag is "Flag of Japan.svg" at any time. But "Flag of Allied Occupied Japan.svg" is not (Occupation of) Japanese flag. It is a merchant flag. So,I think to use here is unfit. And, Wikipedia Japanese version and Chinese version is using "Flag of Japan.svg" at Occupation of Japan page. -- Heat5959 ( talk) 13:47, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
User:Kingj123, I think that your perception of the National flag is inaccurate.
If you want to change the image of National flag, please show me citation that the SCAP had changed Japanese National flag into this flag, otherwise evidence that the Sun-flag was not the Japanese National flag during occupied period. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Watermint ( talk • contribs) 11:35, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
(undent) I'm getting kinda tired of this flag business. I'll research it too. I know people weren't allowed to salute the flag, but haven't seen if it was changed. Will continue looking. Ling.Nut 07:43, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
(undent) No evidence the flag was replaced; just that flying it was severely restricted. This is a classic case of "it's hard to prove something didn't happen." If it wasn't replaced, then no one would note something that didn't happen. Ling.Nut 11:47, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
(undent) I disagree. The Hinomaru was the de facto but not de jure flag of japan, even at the time of the Occupation. Plus it was never banned, see my lengthy discussion in the notes... Ling.Nut 06:22, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
(undent) I'm wondering how much of this debate is colored by the political persuasion of some of the participants. I don't give a hang about Japanese politics; it just makes sense to go with the de facto (albeit not de jure) flag of Japan. Moreover, I can find academic references which support the idea that it was the de facto flag of Japan. Verifiability trumps... whatever those other arguments are called. ;-) Ling.Nut 01:23, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
:It is only a request. There is no proof that Macarthur agreed to this request.
So the flag was restored starting from 1947. Kingj123 04:08, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
(undent) OK here's a summary, again:
“ | In 1870 the [Hinomaru] was designated as the national flag by means of a 'declaration (fukoku) by the Council of State (Daijō-kan太政官). In 1871, however, the Council was reorganized and the legislative function entrusted to the Left Chamber (Sa-in). Finally in 1885 the Council was replaced by a modern cabinet, with the result that the Council's declarations were abolished. (Cripps 1996:77-78) | ” |
(undent) The flag's dimensions/specs were explicity set one way in 1870 and very explicitly changed to a new set of specs in 1999. Did the 1999 law invalidate making the Hinomaru the national flag (which had already been invalidated, in my opinion) or merely invalidate the 1870 dimensions and specs? Ling.Nut —Preceding comment was added at 06:05, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
I added the SCAP directives below. Hinomaru was the national flag even during the occupation. I think it is nonsense for us to talk what the Japanese national flag was before 1999. Japanese language is the de facto official language of Japan. Hinomaru was similary the de facto national flag.-- Mochi 11:59, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
Here is the list of Supreme Commander for the Allied Powers Directives to the Japanese Government( [8]). The Directives about the flag are as follows:
Same directives are on
In 14 September 1948:
In 15 November 1948:
In 6 January 1949:
SCAP allowed to use Hinomaru in holidays at first, and then allowed all the time in 1949. In addition, SCAP regarded Hinomaru as the national flag. -- Mochi 11:59, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
However, Hinomaru was not the official flag of Occupied Japan. It is an assumption that SCAP regarded Hinomaru as the national flag. I disagree to place Hinomaru in the infobox just because it was restricted at times although gradually relaxed, and allowing to fly a historic/cultural/ traditional flag may bring "happiness" among Japanese citizens. However, the civil ensign was de facto the official flag of Japan during the occupation. Nevertheless, I agree that we should really closed down this argument... just for a flag. Kingj123 ( talk) 21:34, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
According to the citations presented here, the following facts became clear.
Moreover, I found some citations which are considering the hinomaru as the national flag of Japan. [9], [10], [11], [12]
I give support to use the Hinomaru for infobox rather than nothing. Because, This articIe is not the Flag of Japan. I don't see any problem in using the Hinomaru considered to be a national flag. I think it should be mentioned in the article of Flag of Japan as instructions. Otherwise should we demand RfC?-- W/mint -Talk- 10:03, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
The occupation lasted until 1952 while SCAP allowed to use hinomaru in 1949 in Japan. This means at least during 1949-1952, hinomaru was the flag of Japan, which was the Occupied Japan. So we can put hinomaru in the infobox. In addition, if
was used instead of hinomaru, this might be considered a symbol of Japan, so we can put
together in the infobox. However, we still lack information about
. Several sources say the flag was for ships. This does not mean "The naval-ensign was de facto the official flag of Allied occupation of Japan."--
Mochi (
talk)
11:36, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
However, there are no sites so far that states that hinomaru is the national flag of occupied Japan, it is ambiguous. However, there is at least a source that states that
was an occupation flag of Japan. Even if the flag is just a naval ensign, residential flag, organisation flag... it does not matter.
Kingj123 (
talk)
15:34, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
I have to say again that it is nonsense for us to talk what the Japanese national flag was before 1999. Hinomaru was the de facto national flag, and SCAP called hinomaru national flag.
In addition, we have no reliable sources that
was an occupation flag of Japan.
[13] lacks official/legal sources. I found some books and websites about
that saying it was a civil/naval ensign for Japanese ships and called "E flag" or "SCAJAP flag". But they does not say it was a flag of Occupied Japan.--
Mochi (
talk)
04:36, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
The article currently states that "MacArthur arrived in Tokyo on August 30, and immediately decreed several laws: ... No Allied personnel were to eat the scarce Japanese food.'". If I recall correctly, Embracing Defeat spins this rather differently: MacArthurs wasn't concerned about limited Japanese supplies, he was concerned about his soldiers getting poisoned. Jpatokal ( talk) 06:32, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
Content was copy/pasted word for word (preserving poor spelling in the original) from Agricultural Land Reform in Postwar Japan: Experiences and Issues Ling.Nut 12:18, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
Straw poll on the issue of flags:
Conclusion The poll has been up a few days; I notified a couple people yesterday in addition to the ones who had already voted. It stands at 6-to-1 in favor of the Hinomaru. I'm calling that a supermajority. This decision refelects
WP:CONSENSUS. It also refelects de facto usage... Since we have both
WP:CONSENSUS and
Verifiability there is little or no grounds for further debate. Further discussion is possible, but if it becomes contentious (including further page reversions) then I suggest that it be taken to
Wikipedia:Requests for comment.
Ling.Nut (
talk)
03:42, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
Can someone decent please add a section explaining the negative aspects of the Occupation, it reads somewhat like a piece of American propaganda at the moment. Adding the negatives and clarifying the positives is needed to keep this article neutral... —Preceding unsigned comment added by IrishHaremOtaku ( talk • contribs) 20:43, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
I have removed the following map from the article as no citiation was provided for it in the article or on the image's page, and there's no explanation of whether it was ever accepted. It should only be re-added if citations can be provided, and a map of the actual occupation zones would be more useful anyway. Nick Dowling ( talk) 00:34, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
I have to ask where you got this information? The Allies never had any agreement to divide Japan. The Soviets wished to occupy Hokkaido, but where forestalled because Japan surrendered and Truman began making it clear that the Yalta Agreement did not give Russia any right to occupy any part of the Japanese Home Islands. Jmacatty ( talk) 14:12, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
Is this really the case? The Japanese press was censored during the 1930s and 1940s and the Japanese government routinely didn't allow bad news to be printed (for instance, all knowledge of the Battle of Midway was supressed for some months (years?)). It's hard to see how the Allies made the Japanese media any less free. Nick Dowling ( talk) 00:19, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
"there were around 40 reported rapes a day until the spring of 1946, when the figures rose to over 300 reported rapes a day due to the criminalization of prostitution". To whom did they report to and where are those reports? In the H-net review ( http://www.h-net.org/reviews/showrev.cgi?path=114661059720058 ) the only source for mass rapes is "one okinawan historian"... I don't think this is appropriate to accuse thousands of American soldiers without any formal investigation. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.19.169.5 ( talk) 18:01, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
I removed the POV banner that had been placed in April 08 as the dispute to which it refers appears fairly non-existent, other than a brief note placed here on the talk page that has been subsequently ignored. Given that there appears to be no dispute, and the original poster's complaint that there was no coverage of any negative consequences has been (as far as I can see) reasonably responded to with what is there now, I personally think it's removable. - Chrism would like to hear from you 20:36, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
This entire article on Japan's Occupation resounds with pessimism and focuses too much on negative aspects of the occupation. If you want the truth read American Caesar. The occupation was a resounding success and it must be understood by the reader of the article that very rarely if ever has a conquered nation been treated so charitable and equitable as was post WWII Japan. America infused liberty and self determination, our most prized ideals, into Japan's culture and law. Japan accepted these ideals and transformed themselves from a militaristic feudalistic nationalistic state to one of the very greatest nations on earth in a matter of a few years. Focusing on the "negative occupation" does a diservice to modern Japan and twists the altruistic intentions of MacArthur and his SCAB. It undermines MacArthur's wisdom and deep understanding of Asian peoples. This article needs some serious revision. In its current state it stinks of anti-Americanism and hatred of the US military. I am deeply offended and call for a rewrite. I'll do it myself if necessary. Mezz07 ( talk) 11:04, 9 July 2011 (UTC)
An editor has made the claim that Taiwan was also placed under military occupation; however, the claim is actually highly contentious and should not be stated as fact (de facto Taiwan was detached from the Japanese empire and given/restored to China). The references used seem questionable. I would appreciate comment. Ngchen ( talk) 14:22, 20 September 2011 (UTC)
Yes that's right — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.40.176.33 ( talk) 14:20, 10 April 2013 (UTC)
It's seems very opinionated to find the link to RAA prostitution in the "See also" section listed as "Comfort Women by the United States in Occupied Japan". "Comfort Women" is a very charged name and a translation of 慰安婦, a Japanese word I never saw used in relation to RAA activities. Also, said activities were mostly organized by the Japanese government, as explained in the article, even if known and agreed by SCAP for a time. It is also the only link where the title of the linked article is modified.
For those reason, I changed the wording to the name of the articles it links to: "Recreation and Amusement Association". 212.77.176.226 ( talk) 05:56, 16 June 2014 (UTC) François
The lead does a poor job of summarizing the article or of identifying the major issues. Apart from the excellent Dower quote it is useless. Rjensen ( talk) 04:53, 16 December 2014 (UTC)
"Before and during the war, Japanese education was based on the German system, with "Gymnasium" (selective grammar schools) and universities to train students after primary school."
This section about school reform seems to contain an inaccuracy. Specifically German grammar schools are not selective (as far as I know), but rather German High schools are selective, splitting students into the the Gymnasium (college preparatory), Realschule (intermediate schools), and Hauptschule (vocational education) schools. This split usually occurs after the fourth grade in Germany.
I know nothing about the Japanese education system, but would it not be more accurate for the article to read as follows?
"Before and during the war, Japanese education was based on the German system, with "Gymnasium" (selective high schools) and universities to train students after primary school."
Here is more information on Demonstrations in Post-war Japan
"JAPS. SAY SACK EMPEROR". Examiner. 12 October 1945.
"REMOVE HIROHITO IS CRY OF FREED JAP COMMUNISTS". Toronto Daily Star. October 10, 1945.
"AMAZED TOKIO PEOPLE SEE COMMUNIST MARCH". The Telegraph. 11 October 1945.
"JAP COMMUNISTS PARADE IN TOKYO". The Norwalk Hour. Oct 10, 1945.
Subsections on Communists seem unduly long considering they were a third party well behind the other two. Student7 ( talk) 18:19, 21 November 2015 (UTC)
I agree. Some of the info should move to the JCP's wiki article instead.( Greg723 ( talk) 19:56, 1 December 2015 (UTC)). Info has been moved to the wiki article Japanese Communist Party ( Greg723 ( talk) 20:16, 1 December 2015 (UTC)).
The the article mentions Japanese-Americans serving in the occupation at Japanese American service in World War II#After the Surrender of Japan Fortunatestars ( talk) 09:56, 5 January 2016 (UTC)
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I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT ⚡ 14:44, 25 June 2017 (UTC)
What does it mean the "return" of Chichi Jima"? Chichi Jima was originally and first settled by White people, with an American leader, in the very early 1800's. Tokyo did not have sovereignty over Chichi Jima at the time and there was no Japan, in the sense of a central government. Based on the historical facts, the word "return" does not apply. It was first an American colony. Starhistory22 ( talk) 01:22, 1 January 2018 (UTC)
Looking back at the history of this page, there have been some long-term, low-grade edit wars going on in the infobox for at least 15 years, between editors who seem to mostly be Japanese and want to treat this page like a nation, and editors who seem to mostly be non-Japanese who don't. I did some investigating, and it seems that this is a translation issue between English and Japanese. While the standard term for this topic in English is "Allied Occupation of Japan," "U.S. Occupation of Japan," or just "Occupation of Japan," with "occupation" as the main noun, the standard term in Japanese (and the title of the associated Japanese Wikipedia page) is "Japan during the Allied Occupation" (連合国占領下の日本, Rengō kuni senryō-ka no Nihon), with "Japan" as the main noun. This means that the Japanese editors want to keep adding the imperial seal, the national anthem, and the capital to the infobox. However this makes much less sense in English, since the Occupation itself did not have an official capital, a national anthem, or an official flag or imperial seal (other than maybe the U.S. flag).
I would propose that since this is the English Wikipedia and the title of the page is "Occupation of Japan," that we not include the anthem or the capital or an "official language," and probably not the imperial seal either. But I would be interested in hearing other peoples' thoughts below in order to build consensus. -- Ash-Gaar ( talk) 19:46, 7 July 2021 (UTC)
It is fairly obvious to me that the lead sentence is an example of superfluous bolding, as the occupation of Japan is defined as an occupation of Japan. Ash-Gaar, could you please explain how it is not? Surtsicna ( talk) 15:52, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
There seems to be a mini-move war going on over the article's title. As it hasn't been discussed, I've moved it back to 'Occupation of Japan'. As far as I'm aware this is the common name, and as there are no other instances of Japan being occupied by other countries there doesn't seem to be a need for the 'Allied' at the front. Nick-D ( talk) 22:59, 18 June 2022 (UTC)
So, it says here on wiki that the occupation ended in the 50s; how can anyone say it ended in the 50s when clearly, nearly 10,000 acres of a very small nation were under the control of the US military in 2016. This is misleading, and a huge misrepresentation of the truth. How many more acres are really under the control of the US today? How many laws are still under the influence of Americans? Why do I ask this? The same is true in Germany, and in my opinion, it is time for the people to know the truth, or at least be aware that there are multiple perceptions of the truth. Regardless of a person's individual perception of World War Two and the participation of the Axis' role in the war, how is it justice to refuse to acknowledge the sovereignty of these nations for decades?
https://www.cnn.com/2016/12/06/politics/us-japan-okinawa-land-return/index.html 2001:569:5250:500:29E1:B170:AC92:EEB8 ( talk) 21:54, 3 March 2023 (UTC)
There was a redirect to the page from Operation Blacklist, I can find no reference to operation blacklist in the Japanese occupation primary page. If there was something related to the Japanese Occupation called operation Blacklist. I'll check up on this again by 3/1/2024 to see if any stake holders for the page know anything about operation blacklist as it relates to the occupation. Other wise, I'll remove the link eximo ( talk) 22:40, 23 January 2024 (UTC)
Although there are territorial disputes between China and the Philippines, there is no need to modify the contents of many treaties and the post-war de facto occupation. And the modification does not match the original map. -- Inkuaxjieng 17:29 13 May 2004 (UTC)
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Daily Telegraph of Sydney (Sep 2. 2005): " http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occupied--Japan Be wary of the "facts" but this is a good overview, with pictures and links to documents."
The novels and short stories written during this time have a special name because of its unique characteristics. Not sure what (name & characteristics) though. -- Menchi 04:34 2 Jul 2003 (UTC)
The large amount of text recently added (2005 Mar 12) by Revolutionary appears to be very similar to http://www.crystalinks.com/japan11.html, so I've removed it on the assumption that it's probably a copyright violation. -- JTN 23:03, 2005 Mar 20 (UTC)
Where there any armed resistance or insurgency?
-- Duemellon 13:58, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)
No -- and if the article doesn't make this and the reasons behind it clear, it needs some revisions. I'll see what I can do. -- Ambyr 13:36, 2 August 2005 (UTC)
Those in the armed forces that were most opposed to the peace treaty commited suicide shortly after the Emperor annouced their surrender. The Japanese honor code said that if you surrendered, you were disgraced, but also it also said you had to follow the emperor. There should be several books on this. Joncnunn 13:43, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
Does anyone have any kind of source whatsoever for the article's claim that trade unions were on the verge of instigating a full communist revolution, but all backed off because of MacArthur's fighting words? This sounds a lot more like wishful thinking. MrVoluntarist 02:06, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
I feel bad to give a Start assessment to such a long article, with so many pictures, and which, it is obvious, quite a bit of work has gone into. But the Occupation is such an incredibly major event, not only militarily, but also politically, economically, and culturally, there is a lot more to be said here. Particularly since I have heard recently of some scholarly texts and articles which take a rather contrary view on the Occupation, asserting that it was not as selflessly benevolent, as organized, or as positive as we all are taught it was. I am afraid I do not have the names of these sources, let alone the texts themselves, but I will look into it.
The jist was that the US didn't really have some magical knowledge of exactly how to handle the Japanese Occupation perfectly. The Showa Constitution and other laws put into place by the Occupation government were extremely strict, and were essentially knee-jerk reactions to the causes of the rise of militarism and outbreak of the war, with little concern or understanding for how a peaceful, productive nation could survive and develop under this system. Also, as the Cold War began to emerge shortly after WWII, the US apparently made an about-face in their treatment of the Japanese military. We disarmed them, wrote into their constitution a provision against having a military, and then turned right around and asked for their help in the Korean War and in the Cold War in general. I do apologize again that I do not have these sources on me, and am essentially just recounting my memories of a conversation with a friend. But suffice it to say, this is the kind of topic that entire books have been written on. This article is an excellent start, as it stands right now, but there is much much more to be written. LordAmeth 16:29, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
Everyone seems to think that America's occupation of Japan was good on both sides, but this is not true. When the American soilders occupied Japan, women who were once mothers, wives, artists, were forced by the soilders into prostitution. Many of them were sexually abused. The Americans took cultural buildings, such as traditional theatres, and turned them into dance halls, in attepmts to evaporate Japanese culture. And let us not forget the isolation camps back in America, isolationg anyone who looked Japanese.
"In a bid to occupy as much Japanese territory as possible, Soviet troops continued offensive military operations after the Japanese surrender, causing large scale civilian casualties." I see no point in this; this is reffering to combat operations in Manchuria and Korea- parts of Japan's empire, but not Japan itself. Otherwise, US landings at Inchon in southern Korea should be included in this section as well. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.110.19.170 ( talk) 00:51, 12 August 2011 (UTC)
If I were a Japanese female I would be extremely offended by the above paragraph (Negative Occupation).
The claim to know what "Everyone" thinks is very conceited. Since most women fall into one of the categories listed above, the writer has insulted the entire nation of Japan by stating that the current population is, or is decended from, prostitutes.
As for Japanese culture, it is alive and well. Imagine what it would have been like under Communism.
If the writer believes that Japan was better off in 1940 than it is today, tell that to all the Japanese woman that now have the right to vote. Tell that to Japanese women that have become engineers and politicians, making Japan one of the most powerful nations in the world -- all without the use of arms.
Thank you, I rest my case.
If you are the writer of the previous section, your case isn't very strong.
Chiss Boy
11:47, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
In face of the recent news, it seems obvious that author has very strong case, indeed. 207.126.230.225.
The article has the current flag of Japan (which is the same flag of the former Empire of Japan) as being the flag of occupied Japan, but didn't the Allies ban the Japanese flag throughout the occupation (similar to their ban on German symbols throught the occupation of Germany)? In Germany they provided for a modified C-pennant as a provisional civil ensign (see: Allied Occupation Zones in Germany and Flag of Germany). Wasn't there a similar ensign for Japan (a simple blue above red swallow-tailed ensign if I remember correctly)? 72.27.77.144 17:59, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
The flag should be changed to this one [1] from [2]. I'll try to find a place to to make flag requests for someone to create an SVG version. -- Scott Alter 21:58, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
The "Legacy" section of this article is simply a naive non-neutral consideration. It dismiss all the activities of the founders of the LDP and their links to the surviving showa regime leaders and "behind the scene" activists such as Yoshio Kodama. It also omit the work done bu the American Central Intelligence Agency against the Socialists and Communists. All the section should be reworded. -- Flying tiger 14:02, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
I had read on a few books. The books was about rapes in the World War II of japanese and russian soldiers. The american and australian soldiers was engaged in the masse rape of Japansese woman in the first years and was the worst example of masse rape committed of allied soldiers from the West in the World War II. On August 30, 1945 two marines went into a civilian house in Yokosuka and raped a mother and daughter. The marines was in MacArthur`s bodyguard as had landed only three hours earlier. In only two days was 11 rapes reported, one woman was gang-raped of 27 american soldies. On September 10 was 1.336 rapes reported. A BIG deal of the U.S. forces rape many japanese womans.
70.000 womans "work" for the organization Recreation and Amusement Association as prostitutes in only a half year. Many was forced as sex-slaves.
Go on Chris Boy, open deleted now. deleted. America was able to transform Japan by force. This same force was used in South Korea. It failed in Vietnam and it is failing in Iraq. America attempting to culturally invade other nations' cultures is not working any longer. The world is a smaller place, with TV/Internet and media. It is no longer possible for American soldiers to walk into a Japanese woman's house, S.Korean's house or Iraqi's house and rape their women without it being front page news. This is why the US will not be able to create a modern democracy(their fucked up version) in any country in the world. People are aware now, god knows how the Japanese can forgive the Americans for the atomic bombs. Deleted
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A History of Sexual Violence in Okinawa by U.S. Servicemen. Although formal U.S. occupation ended in 1952, Okinawa remained under U.S. military authority until 1972, when the island reverted to Japanese rule. The United States and Japan signed a SOFA in 1960 to establish, among other things, the jurisdictional boundaries applying to U.S. military personnel on the island. This relationship between the U.S. military and the local populace of Okinawa is marred with hundreds of allegations of sexual crimes. Okinawan police reports from 1945 to 1950, for example, reveal 278 reported rapes by U.S. servicemen, including the rape of a nine month old girl in 1949. Similarly, in 1955, local records indicate that a U.S. serviceman kidnapped, raped, and murdered a six year old Okinawa girl.
With the reversion of Okinawa to Japan in 1972, local authorities gained more authority to address problems caused by the U.S. military, but acts of sexual violence persisted nonetheless. A local human rights group, Okinawan Women Act Against Military Violence, cite Okinawan police records that report U.S. military personnel raped 200 Okinawan women between 1972 and 1997. This number, however, is likely to be artificially low not only because of the difficulty and uncertainty of criminal justice processes, but also because of the historical under-reporting of sex crimes. |
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“ | We Americans have the dangerous tendency in our international thinking to take a holier-than-thou attitude toward other nations. We consider ourselves to be more noble and decent than other peoples, and consequently in a better position to decide what is right and wrong in the world. What kind of war do civilians suppose we fought, anyway? We shot prisoners in cold blood, wiped out hospitals, strafed lifeboats, killed or mistreated enemy civilians, finished off the enemy wounded, tossed the dying into a hole with the dead, and in the Pacific boiled the flesh off enemy skulls to make table ornaments for sweethearts, or carved their bones into letter openers. We topped off our saturation bombing and burning of enemy civilians by dropping atomic bombs on two nearly defenseless cities, thereby setting an all-time record for instantaneous mass slaughter.
As victors we are privileged to try our defeated opponents for their crimes against humanity; but we should be realistic enough to appreciate that if we were on trial for breaking international laws, we should be found guilty on a dozen counts. We fought a dishonorable war, because morality had a low priority in battle. The tougher the fighting, the less room for decency, and in Pacific contests we saw mankind reach the blackest depths of bestiality. |
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“ | The first form of fury is most often linked to the hatred American troops felt towards the Japanese. The following words from a lieutenant of the 11th Airborne Division to his mother illustrate vividly this point: "Nothing can describe the hate we feel for the Nips--the destruction, the torture, burning & death of countless civilians, the savage fight without purpose--to us they are dogs and rats--we love to kill them--to me and all of us killing Nips is the greatest sport known--it causes no sensation of killing a human being but we really get a kick out of hearing the bastards scream" (p. 207). This hatred heightened the dehumanization of the Japanese soldiers whether alive or already dead. Most dead Japanese were desecrated and mutilated. "American soldiers on Okinawa were seen urinating into the gaping mouth of the slain. They were 'rebutchered.' 'As the bodies jerked and quivered,' a marine on Guadalcanal wrote of the repeated shooting of corpses, 'we would laugh gleefully and hysterically'" (p. 209). As the GIs closed in on the Japanese archipelago, the more the difference between combatants and noncombatants became fuzzy and almost pointless to them.
For instance, rape--which is considered a way to sharpen aggressiveness of soldiers, steeling male bonding among warriors, and, moreover, "reflects a burning need to establish total dominance of the other" (p. 211)--was a general practice against Japanese women. "The estimate of one Okinawan historian for the entire three-month period of the campaign exceeds 10,000. A figure that does not seem unlikely when one realizes that during the first 10 days of the occupation of Japan there were 1,336 reported cases of rape of Japanese women by American soldiers in Kanagawa prefecture alone" (p. 212). |
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I guess all this should make us wary of war. 218.186.11.235 ( talk) 16:10, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
@StorStark: You cite sources of 200 raped woman in more than 20 years in Okinawa and other incidents and actually compare these to the mass murder of tens of millions in Russia by Germany or in China by Japan? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.188.121.250 ( talk) 19:45, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
Shouldn't it be "The Occupation of Japan" or "The Occupation of Japan by Allied Forces" User5802 01:26, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
Not really. Compare with every article in Category:World War II occupied territories. The is always avoided. The forces which occupy do not seem to be always specified at the title. "Occupation of Japan" would be a reasonable rename but not all that different from the current title User:Dimadick —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dimadick ( talk • contribs) 08:00, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
Since no one else has suggested it, I'm going to go ahead and suggest that this be moved. I don't believe I've ever seen "Occupied Japan" used in a text with a capital "o", that is, as a proper noun. More common terms include "the Occupation", "the Occupation of Japan", "the Japanese Occupation" (though some confuse this for the Japanese occupation of various other territories such as China, Korea, Taiwan, Burma, etc), "the American Occupation", "the US Occupation of Japan", etc.
As can clearly be seen on the pages Japanese Occupation (a disambig), and Allied Occupation Zones in Germany, there is, contrary to Dimadick's assertion, no real consistent standard for avoiding naming the occupying power. Thus, I suppose, we could leave this open to further options. LordAmeth 22:02, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
Actually I never claimed we have a consistent standard for avoiding naming the occupying power. I just noted we do not have a consistent standard for always naming the occupying power either. As far as I know this is the only period in its history where the whole of Japan is under foreign occupation. So the addition of "American" or "United States" would not serve a disambiguation purpose.
Like before I think "Occupation of Japan" is the most reasonable name if we do rename the article. "The Occupation" would create disambiguation problems with many other articles covering historic occupations and "The American Occupation" with various former administrations by Americal military presence. Dimadick 09:12, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
I've moved the page, per the above discussion. Please let me know if you have any questions or concerns. - GTBacchus( talk) 00:05, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
(I'm Japanese.So,I'm not english speaker.) Japanese flag is "Flag of Japan.svg" at any time. But "Flag of Allied Occupied Japan.svg" is not (Occupation of) Japanese flag. It is a merchant flag. So,I think to use here is unfit. And, Wikipedia Japanese version and Chinese version is using "Flag of Japan.svg" at Occupation of Japan page. -- Heat5959 ( talk) 13:47, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
User:Kingj123, I think that your perception of the National flag is inaccurate.
If you want to change the image of National flag, please show me citation that the SCAP had changed Japanese National flag into this flag, otherwise evidence that the Sun-flag was not the Japanese National flag during occupied period. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Watermint ( talk • contribs) 11:35, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
(undent) I'm getting kinda tired of this flag business. I'll research it too. I know people weren't allowed to salute the flag, but haven't seen if it was changed. Will continue looking. Ling.Nut 07:43, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
(undent) No evidence the flag was replaced; just that flying it was severely restricted. This is a classic case of "it's hard to prove something didn't happen." If it wasn't replaced, then no one would note something that didn't happen. Ling.Nut 11:47, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
(undent) I disagree. The Hinomaru was the de facto but not de jure flag of japan, even at the time of the Occupation. Plus it was never banned, see my lengthy discussion in the notes... Ling.Nut 06:22, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
(undent) I'm wondering how much of this debate is colored by the political persuasion of some of the participants. I don't give a hang about Japanese politics; it just makes sense to go with the de facto (albeit not de jure) flag of Japan. Moreover, I can find academic references which support the idea that it was the de facto flag of Japan. Verifiability trumps... whatever those other arguments are called. ;-) Ling.Nut 01:23, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
:It is only a request. There is no proof that Macarthur agreed to this request.
So the flag was restored starting from 1947. Kingj123 04:08, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
(undent) OK here's a summary, again:
“ | In 1870 the [Hinomaru] was designated as the national flag by means of a 'declaration (fukoku) by the Council of State (Daijō-kan太政官). In 1871, however, the Council was reorganized and the legislative function entrusted to the Left Chamber (Sa-in). Finally in 1885 the Council was replaced by a modern cabinet, with the result that the Council's declarations were abolished. (Cripps 1996:77-78) | ” |
(undent) The flag's dimensions/specs were explicity set one way in 1870 and very explicitly changed to a new set of specs in 1999. Did the 1999 law invalidate making the Hinomaru the national flag (which had already been invalidated, in my opinion) or merely invalidate the 1870 dimensions and specs? Ling.Nut —Preceding comment was added at 06:05, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
I added the SCAP directives below. Hinomaru was the national flag even during the occupation. I think it is nonsense for us to talk what the Japanese national flag was before 1999. Japanese language is the de facto official language of Japan. Hinomaru was similary the de facto national flag.-- Mochi 11:59, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
Here is the list of Supreme Commander for the Allied Powers Directives to the Japanese Government( [8]). The Directives about the flag are as follows:
Same directives are on
In 14 September 1948:
In 15 November 1948:
In 6 January 1949:
SCAP allowed to use Hinomaru in holidays at first, and then allowed all the time in 1949. In addition, SCAP regarded Hinomaru as the national flag. -- Mochi 11:59, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
However, Hinomaru was not the official flag of Occupied Japan. It is an assumption that SCAP regarded Hinomaru as the national flag. I disagree to place Hinomaru in the infobox just because it was restricted at times although gradually relaxed, and allowing to fly a historic/cultural/ traditional flag may bring "happiness" among Japanese citizens. However, the civil ensign was de facto the official flag of Japan during the occupation. Nevertheless, I agree that we should really closed down this argument... just for a flag. Kingj123 ( talk) 21:34, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
According to the citations presented here, the following facts became clear.
Moreover, I found some citations which are considering the hinomaru as the national flag of Japan. [9], [10], [11], [12]
I give support to use the Hinomaru for infobox rather than nothing. Because, This articIe is not the Flag of Japan. I don't see any problem in using the Hinomaru considered to be a national flag. I think it should be mentioned in the article of Flag of Japan as instructions. Otherwise should we demand RfC?-- W/mint -Talk- 10:03, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
The occupation lasted until 1952 while SCAP allowed to use hinomaru in 1949 in Japan. This means at least during 1949-1952, hinomaru was the flag of Japan, which was the Occupied Japan. So we can put hinomaru in the infobox. In addition, if
was used instead of hinomaru, this might be considered a symbol of Japan, so we can put
together in the infobox. However, we still lack information about
. Several sources say the flag was for ships. This does not mean "The naval-ensign was de facto the official flag of Allied occupation of Japan."--
Mochi (
talk)
11:36, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
However, there are no sites so far that states that hinomaru is the national flag of occupied Japan, it is ambiguous. However, there is at least a source that states that
was an occupation flag of Japan. Even if the flag is just a naval ensign, residential flag, organisation flag... it does not matter.
Kingj123 (
talk)
15:34, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
I have to say again that it is nonsense for us to talk what the Japanese national flag was before 1999. Hinomaru was the de facto national flag, and SCAP called hinomaru national flag.
In addition, we have no reliable sources that
was an occupation flag of Japan.
[13] lacks official/legal sources. I found some books and websites about
that saying it was a civil/naval ensign for Japanese ships and called "E flag" or "SCAJAP flag". But they does not say it was a flag of Occupied Japan.--
Mochi (
talk)
04:36, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
The article currently states that "MacArthur arrived in Tokyo on August 30, and immediately decreed several laws: ... No Allied personnel were to eat the scarce Japanese food.'". If I recall correctly, Embracing Defeat spins this rather differently: MacArthurs wasn't concerned about limited Japanese supplies, he was concerned about his soldiers getting poisoned. Jpatokal ( talk) 06:32, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
Content was copy/pasted word for word (preserving poor spelling in the original) from Agricultural Land Reform in Postwar Japan: Experiences and Issues Ling.Nut 12:18, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
Straw poll on the issue of flags:
Conclusion The poll has been up a few days; I notified a couple people yesterday in addition to the ones who had already voted. It stands at 6-to-1 in favor of the Hinomaru. I'm calling that a supermajority. This decision refelects
WP:CONSENSUS. It also refelects de facto usage... Since we have both
WP:CONSENSUS and
Verifiability there is little or no grounds for further debate. Further discussion is possible, but if it becomes contentious (including further page reversions) then I suggest that it be taken to
Wikipedia:Requests for comment.
Ling.Nut (
talk)
03:42, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
Can someone decent please add a section explaining the negative aspects of the Occupation, it reads somewhat like a piece of American propaganda at the moment. Adding the negatives and clarifying the positives is needed to keep this article neutral... —Preceding unsigned comment added by IrishHaremOtaku ( talk • contribs) 20:43, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
I have removed the following map from the article as no citiation was provided for it in the article or on the image's page, and there's no explanation of whether it was ever accepted. It should only be re-added if citations can be provided, and a map of the actual occupation zones would be more useful anyway. Nick Dowling ( talk) 00:34, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
I have to ask where you got this information? The Allies never had any agreement to divide Japan. The Soviets wished to occupy Hokkaido, but where forestalled because Japan surrendered and Truman began making it clear that the Yalta Agreement did not give Russia any right to occupy any part of the Japanese Home Islands. Jmacatty ( talk) 14:12, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
Is this really the case? The Japanese press was censored during the 1930s and 1940s and the Japanese government routinely didn't allow bad news to be printed (for instance, all knowledge of the Battle of Midway was supressed for some months (years?)). It's hard to see how the Allies made the Japanese media any less free. Nick Dowling ( talk) 00:19, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
"there were around 40 reported rapes a day until the spring of 1946, when the figures rose to over 300 reported rapes a day due to the criminalization of prostitution". To whom did they report to and where are those reports? In the H-net review ( http://www.h-net.org/reviews/showrev.cgi?path=114661059720058 ) the only source for mass rapes is "one okinawan historian"... I don't think this is appropriate to accuse thousands of American soldiers without any formal investigation. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.19.169.5 ( talk) 18:01, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
I removed the POV banner that had been placed in April 08 as the dispute to which it refers appears fairly non-existent, other than a brief note placed here on the talk page that has been subsequently ignored. Given that there appears to be no dispute, and the original poster's complaint that there was no coverage of any negative consequences has been (as far as I can see) reasonably responded to with what is there now, I personally think it's removable. - Chrism would like to hear from you 20:36, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
This entire article on Japan's Occupation resounds with pessimism and focuses too much on negative aspects of the occupation. If you want the truth read American Caesar. The occupation was a resounding success and it must be understood by the reader of the article that very rarely if ever has a conquered nation been treated so charitable and equitable as was post WWII Japan. America infused liberty and self determination, our most prized ideals, into Japan's culture and law. Japan accepted these ideals and transformed themselves from a militaristic feudalistic nationalistic state to one of the very greatest nations on earth in a matter of a few years. Focusing on the "negative occupation" does a diservice to modern Japan and twists the altruistic intentions of MacArthur and his SCAB. It undermines MacArthur's wisdom and deep understanding of Asian peoples. This article needs some serious revision. In its current state it stinks of anti-Americanism and hatred of the US military. I am deeply offended and call for a rewrite. I'll do it myself if necessary. Mezz07 ( talk) 11:04, 9 July 2011 (UTC)
An editor has made the claim that Taiwan was also placed under military occupation; however, the claim is actually highly contentious and should not be stated as fact (de facto Taiwan was detached from the Japanese empire and given/restored to China). The references used seem questionable. I would appreciate comment. Ngchen ( talk) 14:22, 20 September 2011 (UTC)
Yes that's right — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.40.176.33 ( talk) 14:20, 10 April 2013 (UTC)
It's seems very opinionated to find the link to RAA prostitution in the "See also" section listed as "Comfort Women by the United States in Occupied Japan". "Comfort Women" is a very charged name and a translation of 慰安婦, a Japanese word I never saw used in relation to RAA activities. Also, said activities were mostly organized by the Japanese government, as explained in the article, even if known and agreed by SCAP for a time. It is also the only link where the title of the linked article is modified.
For those reason, I changed the wording to the name of the articles it links to: "Recreation and Amusement Association". 212.77.176.226 ( talk) 05:56, 16 June 2014 (UTC) François
The lead does a poor job of summarizing the article or of identifying the major issues. Apart from the excellent Dower quote it is useless. Rjensen ( talk) 04:53, 16 December 2014 (UTC)
"Before and during the war, Japanese education was based on the German system, with "Gymnasium" (selective grammar schools) and universities to train students after primary school."
This section about school reform seems to contain an inaccuracy. Specifically German grammar schools are not selective (as far as I know), but rather German High schools are selective, splitting students into the the Gymnasium (college preparatory), Realschule (intermediate schools), and Hauptschule (vocational education) schools. This split usually occurs after the fourth grade in Germany.
I know nothing about the Japanese education system, but would it not be more accurate for the article to read as follows?
"Before and during the war, Japanese education was based on the German system, with "Gymnasium" (selective high schools) and universities to train students after primary school."
Here is more information on Demonstrations in Post-war Japan
"JAPS. SAY SACK EMPEROR". Examiner. 12 October 1945.
"REMOVE HIROHITO IS CRY OF FREED JAP COMMUNISTS". Toronto Daily Star. October 10, 1945.
"AMAZED TOKIO PEOPLE SEE COMMUNIST MARCH". The Telegraph. 11 October 1945.
"JAP COMMUNISTS PARADE IN TOKYO". The Norwalk Hour. Oct 10, 1945.
Subsections on Communists seem unduly long considering they were a third party well behind the other two. Student7 ( talk) 18:19, 21 November 2015 (UTC)
I agree. Some of the info should move to the JCP's wiki article instead.( Greg723 ( talk) 19:56, 1 December 2015 (UTC)). Info has been moved to the wiki article Japanese Communist Party ( Greg723 ( talk) 20:16, 1 December 2015 (UTC)).
The the article mentions Japanese-Americans serving in the occupation at Japanese American service in World War II#After the Surrender of Japan Fortunatestars ( talk) 09:56, 5 January 2016 (UTC)
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I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Occupation of Japan's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.
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What does it mean the "return" of Chichi Jima"? Chichi Jima was originally and first settled by White people, with an American leader, in the very early 1800's. Tokyo did not have sovereignty over Chichi Jima at the time and there was no Japan, in the sense of a central government. Based on the historical facts, the word "return" does not apply. It was first an American colony. Starhistory22 ( talk) 01:22, 1 January 2018 (UTC)
Looking back at the history of this page, there have been some long-term, low-grade edit wars going on in the infobox for at least 15 years, between editors who seem to mostly be Japanese and want to treat this page like a nation, and editors who seem to mostly be non-Japanese who don't. I did some investigating, and it seems that this is a translation issue between English and Japanese. While the standard term for this topic in English is "Allied Occupation of Japan," "U.S. Occupation of Japan," or just "Occupation of Japan," with "occupation" as the main noun, the standard term in Japanese (and the title of the associated Japanese Wikipedia page) is "Japan during the Allied Occupation" (連合国占領下の日本, Rengō kuni senryō-ka no Nihon), with "Japan" as the main noun. This means that the Japanese editors want to keep adding the imperial seal, the national anthem, and the capital to the infobox. However this makes much less sense in English, since the Occupation itself did not have an official capital, a national anthem, or an official flag or imperial seal (other than maybe the U.S. flag).
I would propose that since this is the English Wikipedia and the title of the page is "Occupation of Japan," that we not include the anthem or the capital or an "official language," and probably not the imperial seal either. But I would be interested in hearing other peoples' thoughts below in order to build consensus. -- Ash-Gaar ( talk) 19:46, 7 July 2021 (UTC)
It is fairly obvious to me that the lead sentence is an example of superfluous bolding, as the occupation of Japan is defined as an occupation of Japan. Ash-Gaar, could you please explain how it is not? Surtsicna ( talk) 15:52, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
There seems to be a mini-move war going on over the article's title. As it hasn't been discussed, I've moved it back to 'Occupation of Japan'. As far as I'm aware this is the common name, and as there are no other instances of Japan being occupied by other countries there doesn't seem to be a need for the 'Allied' at the front. Nick-D ( talk) 22:59, 18 June 2022 (UTC)
So, it says here on wiki that the occupation ended in the 50s; how can anyone say it ended in the 50s when clearly, nearly 10,000 acres of a very small nation were under the control of the US military in 2016. This is misleading, and a huge misrepresentation of the truth. How many more acres are really under the control of the US today? How many laws are still under the influence of Americans? Why do I ask this? The same is true in Germany, and in my opinion, it is time for the people to know the truth, or at least be aware that there are multiple perceptions of the truth. Regardless of a person's individual perception of World War Two and the participation of the Axis' role in the war, how is it justice to refuse to acknowledge the sovereignty of these nations for decades?
https://www.cnn.com/2016/12/06/politics/us-japan-okinawa-land-return/index.html 2001:569:5250:500:29E1:B170:AC92:EEB8 ( talk) 21:54, 3 March 2023 (UTC)
There was a redirect to the page from Operation Blacklist, I can find no reference to operation blacklist in the Japanese occupation primary page. If there was something related to the Japanese Occupation called operation Blacklist. I'll check up on this again by 3/1/2024 to see if any stake holders for the page know anything about operation blacklist as it relates to the occupation. Other wise, I'll remove the link eximo ( talk) 22:40, 23 January 2024 (UTC)
Although there are territorial disputes between China and the Philippines, there is no need to modify the contents of many treaties and the post-war de facto occupation. And the modification does not match the original map. -- Inkuaxjieng 17:29 13 May 2004 (UTC)