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Here's a useful public domain booklet; material from this can be freely copied into the article [1] Enchanter 00:13, 15 January 2003 (UTC)
The article linked to by extinction is irrelevant. I don't know what to change it to, as there is no article about the indented meaning of the word "extinction". However, extinction (disambiguation) mentions it. — Daniel Brockman 21:14, 5 May 2004 (UTC)
I don't know who at Wikipedia decided that titles of books, films, etc., should take italics rather than quotation marks, but it's an atrocious decision. Italics might be the way it's done in freshman college essays, but it's not the way it's done in the real world. Check the stylebook of most any contemporary publication; quotes are used for titles.
The italics look amateur. (Which I suppose is what Wikipedia legitimately is, when it comes down to it.) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.41.175.119 ( talk) 21:14, 28 October 2004 (UTC)
Then again, the OCD page is probably the last place I want to be starting a nitpicky argument about details. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.41.175.119 ( talk) 21:14, 28 October 2004 (UTC)
"An estimated two to three percent of the population is thought to have OCD or display OCD-like symptoms."
The population of where? I assume it's either the US or the entire world, more likely the former, but it's not exactly clear. TheJames 00:54, 10 Dec 2004 (UTC)
I think this list is highly questionable. I researched a few names just now and the links to OCD are questionable. Just because Donald Trump says he is a "germ freak" doesn't mean he has OCD. Cameron Diaz reportedly opens doors with her elbows – this is stronger evidence, but the reference was 2nd hand at best. IMHO, Wikipedia should not list someone as having OCD unless they have been diagnosed and admitted it in public. Should the list be removed entirely with names only being added back in when their OCD is verified? Robertbrockway 07:50, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)
It is almost like the list of celebrities with breast implants. Do we have sources for this apparently growing list? -- None-of-the-Above 03:12, 31 August 2005 (UTC)
The list of celebs who have OCD seems very speculative. As suggested in discussion above, it should probably be purged, and names only added back in if a source/reference exists.
No particular objection was raised above, so unless someone gives reason to the contrary, I propose the list be removed in a couple of days.-- Starwed 01:37, 24 December 2005 (UTC)
Shouldn't there be a separate list for people who were dead before OCD was even documented? Darwin, Proust, Florence Nightingale and so on... Pascal.Tesson 15:04, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
Jessica Alba said she had OCD as a child. So she isn't a sufferer anymore. I think it would be appropriate to remove her name from the list on the article. -- Porcher 17:27, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
In case it hasn't already been done, Joey Ramone's OCD can be verified by statements made by his mother and brother in the film End of the Century: The Story of the Ramones. Also, please reconsider the "Diane Chambers" and Vertigo; they sound more like either OCPD, or minor, non-clinical compulsive tendencies, than true OCD. Illusi0nist 03:13, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
To the anon IP, can you say something about why you're removing this list? If you feel there are mistakes in it, perhaps you could edit it rather than deleting it entirely. SlimVirgin (talk) 22:02, 22 June 2005 (UTC)
The Monica Geller reference needs to be completed. Also, another example is the X-Files Episode Bad Blood,which depicts a vampire afflicted with the need to pick up something scattered on the floor by Mulder. -- Silverhand 15:26, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
DOCTOR. What is it she does now? Look how she rubs her hands. GENTLEWOMAN. It is an accustomed action with her, to seem thus washing her hands. I have known her continue in this a quarter of an hour. LADY MACBETH. Yet here's a spot. DOCTOR. Hark, she speaks! I will set down what comes from her, to satisfy my remembrance the more strongly. LADY MACBETH. Out, damned spot! Out, I say!--One: two: why then 'tis time to do't. Hell is murky. Fie, my lord, fie! A soldier, and afeard? What need we fear who knows it, when none can call our power to account? Yet who would have thought the old man to have had so much blood in him? DOCTOR. Do you mark that? LADY MACBETH. The Thane of Fife had a wife; where is she now? What, will these hands ne'er be clean? No more o' that, my lord, no more o' that. You mar all with this starting. DOCTOR. Go to, go to; you have known what you should not. GENTLEWOMAN. She has spoke what she should not, I am sure of that. Heaven knows what she has known. LADY MACBETH. Here's the smell of the blood still. All the perfumes of Arabia will not sweeten this little hand. Oh, oh, oh! DOCTOR. What a sigh is there! The heart is sorely charged. GENTLEWOMAN. I would not have such a heart in my bosom for the dignity of the whole body. DOCTOR. Well, well, well-- GENTLEWOMAN. Pray God it be, sir. DOCTOR. This disease is beyond my practice. Yet I have known those which have walked in their sleep who have died holily in their beds. LADY MACBETH. Wash your hands, put on your nightgown, look not so pale. I tell you yet again, Banquo's buried; he cannot come out on's grave. DOCTOR. Even so? LADY MACBETH. To bed, to bed; there's knocking at the gate. Come, come, come, come, give me your hand.What's done cannot be undone.To bed, to bed, to bed. [Exit. DOCTOR. Will she go now to bed? GENTLEWOMAN. Directly. DOCTOR. Foul whisperings are abroad. Unnatural deeds Do breed unnatural troubles; infected minds To their deaf pillows will discharge their secrets. More needs she the divine than the physician. God, God, forgive us all! Look after her; Remove from her the means of all annoyance, And still keep eyes upon her. So good night. My mind she has mated and amazed my sight. I think, but dare not speak. GENTLEWOMAN. Good night, good doctor. [Exeunt.
I strongly recommend the short story of an Russian writer Anton Pavlovich Chekhov: The Death Of A Government Clerk.
Read online:
http://www.amlit.com/Chekhov/SS/TheDeathOfAGovernmentClerk.html
It seems that the main character suffers from OCD... (posted by anonymUser)
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213.151.228.223 (
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Why does info about As Good As It Gets say something like OCD is portrayed in a sterotypical way in this movie? I don't think that this movie really was that much worse than other movies in its portrayal of OCD and a lot of aspects of this movie show the true suffering of someone with OCD....the scene where Melvin keeps locking and unlocking the door come to mind. You also see Melvin burning his hands in the beginning of the movie as well. Flyerhell 09:26, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
I think it would be nice if some aspects of this article were expanded. Specifically, the history of OCD (Anal fixation from Freud????) and better treatment details (Exposure and Response prevention). Depression tends to be highly comorbid with OCD as well (Helpless-hopeless hypothosis), it would be nice if this were mentioned. Done. The part about opiates was interesting but it would be nice if it were expanded...and perhaps a reason could be offered for the treatment effects of opiates. I have read some recent research positing that the comorbidity rate of OCD with drug addiction is VERY high, perhaps because drug addiction can be viewed as a type of compulsive behavior? Done. I also take issue with this sentence: "People who suffer with OCPD tend to derive pleasure from their obsessions or compulsions. Those with OCD do not derive pleasure but are ridden with anxiety. This is a significant difference between these disorders." While people with OCD are in fact filled with anxiety, it is important to note that the compulsion RELIEVES this anxiety (temporarily)....and while the compulsions are distressing to individuals with OCD, it is important to note that since these compulsions are anxiety-relieving, the OCD sufferer may actually enjoy the compulsion to a point? Just something to keep in mind. I can make the edits, but I wanted to get some feedback on them before I do so.
Flyerhell 09:30, 16 November 2005 (UTC) Revised:
Flyerhell 09:42, 23 November 2005 (UTC)
I scanned for a few of the references throughout the article but I could not find any citations of them. If these are not actually cited in the article, shouldn't they be under "further reading"? I will also add the reference from the citation that I put into the article last week. Done. I also attempted to clean up the reference section, it appears that 2 or 3 different types of styles were used to cite references. I think that we should agree on one style. I would recommend APA (that is what I used) as this is a psych article. Let me know your thoughts.
Flyerhell 09:11, 23 November 2005 (UTC)
Obsessive-compulsives, please join the Recent Changes patrol and monitor Wikipedia for vandalism. Your help is definitely necessary. Don't forget to eat and sleep, however. And make sure you are earning enough cash to pay for basic necessities. Thanks. - MPD 00:26, 1 January 2006 (UTC)
The neuropsychiatry section is incredibly hard to read, at first it list the receptor but then it lists them again in some sort of sequence that is just incredibly disoriented, I don't object to this section but I think we should make it more readable. Deathawk 04:53, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
In the section OCD in Literature and Fiction, the article claims that the novel Xenocide by Orson Scott Card features a planet where people with OCD are revered as religious figures. It was actually Children of the Mind, Xenocide's sequel, that featured this planet- it was the character Wang-Mu that most heavily presented OCD in the novel (she would sometimes have to trace wood grains).
I've changed the article accordingly. Mouseclicker 02:26, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
I am interested in adding an external link to our website (the OCD Center of Los Angeles at www.ocdla.com) from the Wikipedia page of OCD. I have added the site 2-3 times, but it has been removed each time. I wrote an email to Wikipedia and the person who responded suggested I write to the discussion section of the OCD page.
Our site contains over 20 pages of information about OCD and related OC Spectrum Disorders. The site includes an OCD test, in-depth descriptions of OCD and Obsessional OCD, information on the appropriate treatment of the disorder, and a list of links to over 75 OCD-related sites across the world. In fact, many of the sites listed in the external links section of the Wikipedia OCD page link to our site, and one actually uses our OCD test.
I realize that one could say that our site is a commercial site, but so are a number of the current external links on the OCD page. While our site is for our clinic, it is also meant to be a resource for those seeking expert information on OCD and its treatment. I look forward to comments. Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.106.45.178 ( talk) 02:43, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
Most OCD sufferers are aware that such thoughts and behavior are not rational, but feel bound to comply with them to fend off fears of panic or dread.
I know that this is what is said about the condition, had their been not aware of, probably their cases will include delusions and psychosis. But, this bothers me, if they are aware that the fear, for example of contamination, is not real, why would they fear dead? If you know that this thought of contamination killing you is not real, why would you fear of dying? This is problematic, since it is true that they fear of being contaminated and dying from this, but is this claim of them knowing that it is not rational not unclear? I think the thing here is that psychiatrists have tried to differentiate OCD with psychotic disorders such as schizophrenia, and this knowledge that the belief does not make sense is important but I believe this sentence is problematic, it seems to be contradictory. Fad (ix) 02:04, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
I propose changing the page to:
or
According to the Wikipedia page on her she suffered from the bipolar disorder. Not OCD. A quick Google search brought up different sources... some saying she suffered from bipolar disorder (
1), others saying she suffered from Chronic Fatigue Syndrome. (
2)
This would constitute adding a remark stating that the claim is disputed. Especially because this is a historic person and there is no first-hand/contemporary diagnosis. The claim is based on historic evidence of the symptoms she showed.
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"Studies have also been done that show nutrition deficiencies may also be a probable cause for OCD and other mental disorders. Certain vitamin and mineral supplements may aid in such disorders and provide the nutrients necessary for proper mental functioning."
To be sure, nutrition is helpful.
And to make this point even more effective, there should be some evidence to back it up. Otherwise we're in the realm of ritalindeath.com. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 211.72.108.19 ( talk) 17:59, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
Ha! an encyclopedia entry on OCD being so long because so many of the people editing it HAVE OCD. Is that Irony? Actually, it's probably the opposite. Anyway, maybe the page should have a special thanks to people with OCD for making Wikipedia possible in the first place! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.19.72.173 ( talk) 05:01, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
I don't know but I've wondered for years if I do. Basically, both sides of my body have to be equal, for example, if I touch my right hand on something, I then have to touch my left hand on it in the same way, and it feels very irritating if I don't do it. Also, when I'm walking, say from room to room, I have to make an even number of steps in each room and I have to count my steps (in groups of 4) in my head while I'm walking. I'm 26 now and I've done it since I was about 13 or 14. Although at times it doesn't affect me at all. Does this sound like OCD? Sweetie Petie 23:31, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
I'm giving this a seperate section so it will hopefully stand out more.
Some good work has gone on recently (a big improvement) but we are still listing people without verifying the facts. No one should be listed as suffering from a mental illness on WP without a citation or preferably a self admission. It could be considered slanderous.
I'm going to do what I should have done a long time ago. I'm going to go through and remove references to any celebrity that doesn't have a citation. Time permitting I'm going to research them to see if I can find an admission of OCD. Claiming people have OCD without proof is a big deal. Robert Brockway 07:37, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
As an added reminder of why we need citations please see Wikipedia:Verifiability. Robert Brockway 07:42, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
This list contains people who have been added to Obsessive-compulsive disorder#Famous/celebrity OCD sufferers without a source. They can be removed from this list and placed in the article if accompanied by at least one valid source. Multiple sources are preferable, especially in ambiguous cases. Discussion on each person can be placed below their name.-- GregRM 22:55, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
See also: Talk:Obsessive-compulsive disorder#List of celebrities
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This sounds rather inappropriate and trollish, hence I removed it for now. Would you mind providing any sources that agree with you? -- intgr 09:50, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
Does anyone have a theory on the connection between some mythic vampire behaviors and OCD? I have OCD, and I'm also of Eastern European descent. So I'm wondering if there's a connection there. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.65.75.224 ( talk) 23:36, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
David Beckham is no longer England captain, so I shall change this appropriately.-- 86.3.172.237 14:04, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
These articles often seem to be written by people who don't actually have the disorder. Most bothersome is the lack of an understanding that our human 'models and definitions' are really just simplifications of reality; the real picture is far murkier and more complex (for example, is a transgendered person male or female?). To claim that OCD and OCPD are totally unrelated is ridiculous. I have symptoms of both; for me they are related and I'll bet for other sufferers too.
Second, the orthodox way of over-defining qualifications may lead to some to exclude themselves. Like saying that 'I'm not gay because I don't dress up in women's clothes,' misunderstanding that not all symptoms need be present for one to suffer from OCD is important. I don't check the door 20 times, I just check once or twice. I count steps, try to avoid stepping on lines on sidewalks, but I don't worry about 'balancing' the right side with the left. I might spend hours on end about one subject but not another one. I do believe there is a degree, someone might be more OCD than others. The article needs to be re-written, disposing of the ironically OCPD point of view bias (everything is black or white, right or wrong) in favor of a more nuanced view. 68.219.73.31 03:43, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
Can someone please add a source to the assertion that OCD is not curable. Personally – as someone with OCD and virtually all the symptoms listed on this page – I think OCD is a deep-set mindset brought on by social trauma, and therefore theoretically curable with the correct therapy. Nullbit 23:46, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
Although most of the statements and sources in this article seem pretty reliable, the referencing is not done properly. In particular, there are no page references. I tried looking for the original author of the article, but it appears most of the work was done by an anon IP: [4]Â :( If you have added any references to the article please go back and add in the pages. I'm going to try to get a hold of some of the references mentioned here, but if I cannot find the exact pages the sources may be thrown out because of unverifiability. A good example of a well-referenced article is this. Sofeil 09:51, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
"One serious symptom which stems from this is "counting" your steps, e.g. you must take twelve steps to the car in the morning."
This symptom does not seem to differ in severity from the other ones listed, so why is it given a special emphasis? Monkeyfinger 06:52, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
"An estimated 1 in 2 adolescents and adults are thought to have OCD." Half of people over 12 meet criteria for obsessive-compulsive disorder? Are you kidding me? I changed this to: "Community studies have placed the prevalence between 1 and 3%, although the prevalence of clinically recognized OCD is much lower, suggesting that many individuals with the disorder are unaccounted for clinically." and added a reference. 69.118.25.126 09:29, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
I noticed the tag saying references should be more specific (ie. cite pages), being as this is a psychology related article, and that it cites sources according to APA format (which doesn't use page numbers), it seems that it is unlikely or even impossible for someone to scan these references and come up with page numbers. I propose removing this tag. Thoughts? Beatdown 08:21, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
This whole section looks like reiterated info that's already in the intro.
“ | Obsessions are thoughts and ideas that the sufferer cannot stop thinking about. Common OCD obsessions include fears of acquiring disease, getting hurt, or causing harm to someone. Obsessions are typically automatic, frequent, distressing, and difficult to control or put an end to...
...untreated OCD is often regarded as one of the most vexing and frustrating of the major anxiety disorders. |
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I'm not gonna edit it just in case it's necessary in some way. But someone should look at it. The Snake 08:08, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
...they tell you what to do all the time, even the simplest of tasks, chores or activities that are either trivial or a no-brainer, but find yourself being told how to do it as if you don't know what you are doing? And in many instances telling you what and how to do something when you are just about to do it yourself? If it's not OCD it's gotta be something, because not only is it annoying and (to me) insulting, it doesn't seem to me to be natural for a person to do things like this to others. Can someone please help me out here? This sort of stuff can drive people up the wall at times! NiceDoggie 17:04, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
This page's content plus the unusually huge number of edits to it is highly amusing. Jtrainor 03:45, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
I'm new to Wikipedia editing so I don't know exactly what to do about it, but the way in which this entire section of the OCD article states conjectures about relationships between neurology and the disorder as matters of fact is not neutral or stylistically correct.
It also does not list any sources, besides for a quote. It talks about OCD and certain neurological receptors being strongly correlated, which is evidently based on scientific studies, but no source is given. Specific statments about the relationships between neuropsychiatry and OCD as proven matters of scientific fact are probably inaccurate anyway. The section should either be overhauled and cited or deleted. ( Tperson 06:38, 13 February 2007 (UTC))
Can someone please explain why an NMDA ANAGONIST may be a useful drug in treating OCD when it just said that the disorder's severity was negatively correlated with the activity of the NMDA receptor. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Joel2017 ( talk • contribs) 22:25, 4 March 2007 (UTC).
Can we please at least devote a few sentences to explaining the and emphasising the fact that OCD can exist in an almost completely invisible form in which the rituals can take the form of things such as "counter-arguments" in the person's mind to help relieve the anxiety of the obsession. For some sufferers the disease seems to consist of an unwanted "debate" that fills up most of their waking minutes, between the irrational obsessive fears and the intellectual arguments to dispel the fears (which of course only provides relief for a short time, before obsessive thoughts invade the mind again, and a defensive counterargument must be summoned again and so on). —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Joel2017 ( talk • contribs) 22:37, 4 March 2007 (UTC).
Does anyone know if there is any FIRM, SPECIFIC scietific evidence to suggest that physical exercise helps in treating OCD, as it does for other anxiety disorders and depression? One of the changes cuased by chronic ssri treatment (in rats at least) is up-regulation of 5ht2c receptors. However exercise is believed to cause downregulation of central 5ht2c receptors. Therefore is there the potential that exercise could even make OCD worse? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.234.157.64 ( talk) 15:12, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
On March 4, I edited the list of "Symptoms," and today I saw that it was removed. I have Asperger's Syndrome, to which many people believe OCD, as well as growth with parallels to gigantism, is linked, and this is a problem for me. Now I know that if I do indeed have OCD, then I don't have it as well as most such people! Gmeric13@aol.com 01:42, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
Looking at the talk page, it seems like there was a list of examples of OCD in fiction, but it has been removed. I don't see why it shouldn't be in here, as similar articles have 'in fiction' lists. However, I do feel it should be restricted to examples where the condition is explictly stated to be OCD, and not just characters showing Obsessive-Compulsive tendancies (since they're open to interpretation). Off the top of my head, I can think of
If there are no objections, I'll add this section.
-- Darksun 12:48, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
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OK, further to this there have been a couple of recent additions that are questionable.
"The con artist Roy Walker, played by Nicholas Cage in the film Matchstick Men, displays many traits of the disorder, in addition to panic disorder and agoraphobia." - is there a specific mention of OCD? As I stated earlier, the list shouldn't include people who just show 'traits'.
"There has been debate among some readers of Shakespeare on whether the character Lady MacBeth in The Tragedy of Macbeth exhibits symptoms of OCD toward the end of the play. She is tormented with guilt and anxiety about the crimes committed by her husband and herself, and is seen to be repeatedly washing her hands in order to cleanse herself of imaginary blood on them that symbolises the atrocities that she has taken part in." - is there some 3rd party work to back up this 'debate'. Seems like Original Research to me, and again falls foul of the 'showing traits' rule.
-- Darksun 12:47, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
Anyone notice this statement?
Anyone who has OCD has brown hair, anyone with blonde, red or black hair has no chance of having OCD, studies show.
I couldn't find any sources to corroborate this, and it seems rather unlikely. 24.155.108.246 11:40, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
Months ago there was an information here regarding how high testosterone levels can lead to OCD in males. I am not seeing it here now. I am a male and I believe my condition is caused by high testosterone levels. I am an obsessions-sufferer only. Never thought about compulsions. I don't have fear.. I just have thoughts that keep appearing. Most of the time I don't even think about them in concrete.. but the speed of my mind forces them to appear.
Anyone here with similar symptoms? I also suffer from anxiety.. I mean, what is anxiety after all? I am determined, I am fearless.. but this state of mind upsets me. I am extremely reflexive, obviously into philosophical meditations.
I know I am not the typical OCD sufferer. Regarding the statement above, I do think that mania, anxiety, anger and OCD can be caused by testosterone levels.
Any opinions about that? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.155.84.214 ( talk) 11:34, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
Jim Luzynski is a chronic sufferer of this disorder
What is wrong with having a list of famous sufferers. These people are all verified on their respective wikipedia pages as having the disorder, so what why did this idiot called PIrish delete my edits?
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You could always just put them back. I know some of the most famous sufferers of other major diseases are listed in other articles. --
Hourick (
talk) 14:50, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
This seams to be an ongoing problem.-- Ekologkonsult ( talk) 06:55, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
There is already a list of 'famous sufferers', in a separate Wiki 'Category' page, i.e Category: People diagnosed with Obsessive-Compulsive Disorder. I therefore don't quite understand why there should be a need to have a list in this article. Snookerrobot ( talk) 10:55, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
I think the notable cases that is now works.-- Ekologkonsult ( talk) 12:59, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
Where is this 'category' page? Shouldn't there be a link at the bottom of this page?
OckRaz ( talk) 09:20, 10 February 2009 (UTC)YES I agree! TYhere should be a list of famous OCD suffers or those thought to be Nikola tesla91856-1943) surely would be added to this list! Thanksamtu06160921stcntdateddecdeEAJ SWORDINHAND ( talk) 18:09, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
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Jim Luzynski is a chronic sufferer of this disorder —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.238.168.54 ( talk) 22:09, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
While I certainly believe that OCD is one of the top 10 most disabling illnesses, the link only goes to a page that has some professor saying that the WHO said this. I think it would be a lot better if someone could find the actual WHO publication... I looked for it and could find no such list. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.75.247.88 ( talk) 23:48, 16 March 2007 (UTC).
Well in my book "Overcoming ocd" It says that OCD was called one of the top ten disabling illnesses in the world, by the world health organisation. I saw some website listing all of them in order but I cant remember which one? lol that's not very obsessive of me, sorry! XYaAsehShalomX
Firstly, I moved this discussion section to the bottom of the page as I'm adding this comment. I really think that this comment about OCD being one of the top 10 most disabling illnesses needs to be referenced from it's original source - ie, the WHO - rather than a repeating source. Can anyone help with that? 85.210.178.198 03:31, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
The document referenced actually does NOT say what is claimed in the first paragraph. It says that "Among individuals between the ages of 15 and 44, panic disorder, drug use disorders and obsessive-compulsive disorder (OCD) were in cluded in the top 20 disorders." Also, it does not credit a particular document or person within the WHO for this claim. If you google for ("World Health Organization" "top 10" "disabling illnesses"), you'll find pages of links each referencing this Wikipedia article, which in turn references a document which makes a different claim and makes no references to back that claim. You won't find any of those Google hits pointing to an actual source document. Going to the WHO site and searching, both through the search feature, or by manual digging through the "Statistics" section finds no such claim.
This claim should be removed from this article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.207.218.130 ( talk) 23:57, 12 October 2007 (UTC) It's referenced in a book by David Veale and Robert Willson called "Overcoming obsessive compulsive disorder". Is that better?? XYaAsehShalomX ( talk)
It is the point of the reference to diabetes and asthma? These aren't mental illnesses! 124.197.15.138 ( talk) 01:44, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
I live in NZ where benzylpiperazine is legal. I tend to find that other stimulants (caffeine, nicotine etc) make my OCD worse, but BZP makes it much better. Has anyone else noticed this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:{{{1}}}|{{{1}}}]] ([[User talk:{{{1}}}|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/{{{1}}}|contribs]])
OCD is not fun at all. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.23.75.191 ( talk) 23:22, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
I suggest we add a separate section for Pure-Obsessive OCD. It is a very distinct kind and with different treatment results. I would have added it myself but don't have adequate reliable sources for the info yet. Please comment. -- Amit 20:14, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
[7] Here's one. More on the way. 86.20.26.239 18:41, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
[8] This study mentions purely obsessional OCD. Of couse the existance of all conditions has to be proven though clinical studys so i will find the appropiate resources proving that purely obsessional OCD is a real condition. 86.20.26.239 20:08, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
Hi everyone. I think I need to clarify, the above unsigned comments were not made by me. I only made two comments before on this page, both of them were signed. As for evidence, I am looking for reliable sources and will be right back with them soon. I have no conflict with anybody. -- Amit 04:08, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
I am a medical doctor and OCD can be diagnosed with obsessions alone. This is stated in the DSMV criteria. Longsocksandbooks ( talk) 08:48, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
Someone should just cite information. It is so annoying seeing a page have all of these "citation needed" things. The box at the top of the page will go away if someone just puts down sources 216.93.229.62 02:48, 8 October 2007 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.93.229.62 ( talk) 03:37, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
Could somebody sort out these references? Magazines such as New Scientist are not suitable references for research. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.125.65.112 ( talk) 10:53, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
There seems to be a vandalised paragraph: "A good example of OCD is Sharon Ludwick of Mount Holly, New Jersey..." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.74.65.25 ( talk) 23:57, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
Are external links to OCD treatment centers/programs considered linkspam? I lean towards yes, but I guess if there's valuable info at the site it may be worth inclusion. Thoughts? AlphaEta 17:28, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
And why? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.93.254.29 ( talk) 03:23, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
External links to patient support groups (especially online chat boards), blogs, and commercial (e.g., "buy our program") sites are normally not accepted on Wikipedia. Please read the external links policy and the specific rules for medical articles before adding more external links. WhatamIdoing ( talk) 00:41, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
Should nutritional therapies be included from quality articles and studies (i.e. peer reviewed, double-blind, randomized, controlled-trials)? I think, absolutely. If there is general agreement, will do... Gnif global ( talk) 12:50, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
In the following paragraph in the medication section of this article, there is an error:
Recent research has found increasing evidence that opioids may significantly reduce OCD symptoms, though the addictive property of these drugs likely stands as an obstacle to their sanctioned approval for OCD treatment. Anecdotal reports suggest that some OCD sufferers have successfully self-medicated with opioids such as Ultram and Vicodin, though the off-label use of such painkillers is not widely accepted, again because of their addictive qualities. Tramadol is an atypical opioid that may be a viable option as it has a low potential for abuse and addiction, mild side effects, and shows signs of rapid efficacy in OCD. Tramadol not only provides the anti-OCD effects of an opiate, but also inhibits the re-uptake of serotonin (in addition to norepinephrine). This may provide additional benefits, but should not be taken in combination with antidepressant medication unless under careful medical supervision due to potential serotonin syndrome.[20]
Ultram is the trade name for the medication Tramadol - they are described in this paragraph as substantially different.
-- 24.121.109.186 ( talk) 02:56, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
On the St. Johns Wort section, the references given for st. Johns wort being an effective treatment for OCD are completely bogus, if you read the actual papers that are cited through the citation, both clinical trials involve depressed patients, not OCD patients. This is misleading and the paragraph should be removed. - signed by an anon IP
This is not entirely accurate. It is effective with people suffering OCD in the similar biological pathway that improves the lifestyles of people with depression. SSRIs are given to both depressives (types of) and people with OCD. There is a clinical protocol in subscribing St Johns Wort in children and teenagers. Longsocksandbooks ( talk) 08:52, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
Try this ref: "St John's wort versus placebo in obsessive-compulsive disorder: results from a double-blind study" by Kenneth A Kobak, Leslie V H Taylor, Alexander Bystritsky, Cary J Kohlenberg, John H Greist, Phebe Tucker, Gemma Warner, Rise Futterer, Tanya Vapnik; Int Clin Psychopharmacol; Nov 2005 (Vol. 20, Issue 6, (pp 299-304) |||| —Preceding unsigned comment added by 20.133.0.13 ( talk) 13:16, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
I wanna make it clear on there should be other additions to the article: OCD is also characterized by an intense fascination or "obsession" with a thing, subject or person (i.e. stalking). There are theories on whether stalking involves one person obsessed with another person who doesn't desire to be near or associate with them, that is to obsessively follow around or harrass the other person as a possible OCD trait. To be obsessed or "fixated" over something like an attachment is a classic example of obsessive behaviors associated with OCD. + Mike D 26 ( talk) 02:47, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
A symptom of OCD according to the article:
"Chasing- Having the need to follow people who the victim is irritated by. Sometimes having warm feelings inside about this person."
By the victim, do we mean "sufferer". If so could this be made clear, and then also, the second sentence seems contradictory. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.105.223.238 ( talk) 15:36, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
Sorry, I'm new to this stuff and haven't figure out how to generate a new item so, I'll attempt to add it here. Something doesn't read right to me and I think it should read as follows:
"Although these signs are often present in OCD, a person who shows signs of infatuation or fixation with a subject/object, or displays traits such as perfectionism, does not necessarily have OCD, a specific and well-defined condition."
mike Mjpearson ( talk) 00:34, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
In case anyone is wondering, I re-added "anal-retentive character" to the introduction as an alternative explanation of various traits. I'm well aware that this isn't a DSM differential diagnosis, but the point is that people who are "OCD" in the vernacular do not necessarily have OCD or even OC personality disorder, and may simply have character traits that are best described as "anal-retentive." Cosmic Latte ( talk) 10:32, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
OK, so add a citation or don't add it. It purely doesn't belong here. For a disease that the world health organization considers the 10th most debilitating on the planet, you would think that this kind of vandalism would be stopped. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.162.85.84 ( talk) 18:07, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
Do you have any clue whatsoever about this illness? People often don't discover this for some time after having all kinds of fears and doubts about what might be "wrong" with them. Wiki being as popular as it is; should bend over backwards to include valid, reliable information. Quoting Freud (who is largely considered to be a pioneer but with ideas that today are considered outdated and antiquated and not to mention highly inaccurate today) is hardly valid. Do you know the suicide statistics of this illness? How would you feel if you were diagnosed with OCD or were trying to find out more information about it based on suspicions you might have OCD only to come across this page which tells them they might in fact just be "anal retentive". While I may be a complete novice to wiki; I am far from a novice when it comes to OCD having suffered with it all my life. Perhaps I should ask my Psychiatrist to come edit this crap out and I bet you still come up with a way to add it back in and disagree with the modern Psychiatric field. What gives though really? It doesn't belong. Get over it and try to realize who your audience is on this page and provide them with valid information and not some obscure Freud reference. I've looked on many professional web sites with information regarding OCD and not one of them mention that these sufferers are "anal retentive". You quite possibly could cause emotional distress or more to an individual reading this and to be perfectly honest you seem quite "anal" yourself. This needs disputing and arbitration as far as I am concerned and is just another wonderful example of how Wiki needs to get better control over things.
The "anal-retentive" thing keeps bothering me... not because it's mentioned, but because it's mentioned in the opening summary-paragraph of the article, clearly implying that its characteristics are universally applicable, or at least recognizable, in cases of OCD. That is, although those "some symptoms" may not be at all present in an OCD sufferer, the opening paragraph clearly suggests that when OCD (or OCPD) is present, some of its symptoms-- which symptoms, I might add, are neither enumerated, distinguished, nor referenced here-- will certainly resemble "anal-retentiveness".
The whole anal-retentive thing seems too beholden to pop-culture considerations; its inclusion here is simple, vague, and unreferenced. It's not enough to claim that "it began with Freud" without any further qualification. If it began with Freud, where? Quote something. Reference something. Describe something. Be specific. What is "anal retentive" personality, what are its characteristics, and how are these confused with obsessive-compulsive disorder, and when are they not? Before a connection between OCD and "anal retentive" is worthy of being mentioned in the opening paragraph here as a primary distinguishing characteristic of OCD, I think such a connection deserves more sophisticated treatment and analysis in a body-article section. Until that section is properly written, detailed, and referenced, I simply can't see the justification for its inclusion in the opening paragraph. aruffo ( talk) 19:53, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
I'm certainly not an expert on ocd but the definition of a compulsion, given in the main article, is slightly at odds with what I've read elsewhere (sorry can't remember the references). In the main article, a compulsion is defined as the act (mental or physical) that is carried out in response to the anxiety produced by the obsession, usually to 'neutralise' that anxiety. According to what I have read elsewhere, however, a compulsion is not really the act itself but the mental urge to carry out the act. So the compulsion, like the obsession, is also a mental 'event'. According to this point of view, an obsession is a mental event in the form of an intruding thought such as: "My hands might be covered in germs" (generating anxiety). The compulsion would then be another mental event i.e. a thought in the form of a 'mental urge': "Therefore I MUST wash my hands." The act is then carried out (the direct product of the compulsion) and the anxiety temporarily relieved. This point of view also allows for the existence of 'pure C' as well as 'pure O'. An example would be people who compulsively arrange things in a certain way or in a symmetrical pattern. These people simply have a mental compulsion to order and arrange, but there is frequently no identifiable 'obsession' as such. I have no idea which point of view is correct, but I am simply raising the question as to whether the definition of 'compulsion' that has been given is scientifically accurate. Can any knowledgeable expert advise? Snookerrobot ( talk) 14:50, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
I think Wikipedias Article about Alzheimer is pretty good, and it has been featured. This article has a paragraph about known individual affected by Alzheimer, so deleting it from this page with the argument that this is about the disease , not a celebrity article makes no sense. In fact, giving people real examples adds value to an article about, what for many readers is a fairly unknown disease. I would like to have more discussion about this before its deleted again. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ekologkonsult ( talk • contribs) 07:04, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
To start with I suggest that you drop your angry tone and calm down, there is no need to get speedy by a disagreement. As you may know both the featured article about Alzheimer, and the featured Article about Downs Syndrom include notable cases. Why do you think this article merits the same. Do you have anything against people with OCD, and do not want to have people with OCD feeling that there are more people like them. That is many times the purpose of such information. To make people realize that there are many people with the condition.
I think this articles should have this information first and foremost because most people looking for information about OCD on the net, are people who either have OCD themself or have near ones affected by OCD. Yes you might also find academics searching information, but Wikipedia is something else than just a pharmaceuptic dictionary. Please feel free to call on a moderator.-- Ekologkonsult ( talk) 08:35, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
Where do you draw the line between notable cases, and celebrities. Reagans Alzheimer is seen as notable, but this was because he was an ex-president. Beckham is the most influential person in the Uk according to the Observer. He has talked openly about his struggle with OCD in the media. Your friends that are affected are of course just as important, but they do not have the same familiarity to most people. Ths is not celebrity gossip. Someone speeking open about their struggle is not gossip. Just because they are known, does not make them less human.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-381802/The-obsessive-disorder-haunts-life.html
Do you really believe your friends with OCD get humiliated by information that Beckham has OCD. I know that the very close friends with OCD I know like that people get information about that anyone can have OCD, without it being seen form the outside. Isn´t it so that it bothers you because your friends cases are close to you, but Beckhams is not. I do agree that it should be switched to notable cases, and not famous.-- Ekologkonsult ( talk) 14:34, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
Unless someone can give a good reason not to do so, I intend to add Howie Mandel. He's about as well known for his OCD now as for anything else. Marc Summers is a possibility too- although he is less notable. I'm putting this on the talk page prior to making changes to see if consensus can be reached first. I believe that there may also be reason to include Martin Luther. OckRaz ( talk) 09:47, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
Aruffo, how about a compromise. I can see your point that a list of people can give a gossipy impression. I have taken away all examples except BEckham, and even added another source to this. Is this compromise better?-- Ekologkonsult ( talk) 14:41, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
Did not know that, but I see that it is mentioned a lot on the Wikipedia article regarding him. It should bee with, you´re right.-- Ekologkonsult ( talk) 19:30, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
As a minor sufferer of OCD (I fiddle with my fingers lots in completive ways, and have to complete certain rituals with my feet in rhythmic patterns), I feel that it has contributed in certain ways in understanding rhythm and melody (creating a musical anomaly then solving it with a climax), and often considered it something that inspires me. A brief google shows many articles on the internet on OCD and music suggesting a link between musical genius and OCD. I'm no musical genius - I wasted it drinking too much booze, but I see my ticks as related to the way I resolve my musical opening bars with the closing bars. In fact, I can see how it can make you artistic in many disciplines. I spent a lot of times experimenting with odd time-signatures. My finger twitching seems to always end with a final resolution, which is difficult to describe, but is always even. My right hand compliments the left, but after an odd and quite creative sequence, with the right performing three to the left doing two, to the right doing one, the the left two. etc.. etc..
There's nothing here in how OCD may affect art. One says that "insanity is to art what garlic is to salad". Perhaps a section should be added? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.145.224.22 ( talk) 23:12, 20 September 2008 (UTC)
I suggest that an administrator semi-protects the article Obsessive-compulsive disorder due to the longlasting continous vandalism to the page by ip-users which is obvious from a quick look at this article's edit-history. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ekologkonsult ( talk • contribs)
a patient should be concerned that intrusive thoughts are dangerous if the person doesn't feel upset by the thoughts, rather finds them pleasurable; has ever acted on violent or sexual thoughts or urges;
If read literally, this means that intrusive thougths are dangerous for all normal adults. That is -- assuming they "have ever acted on sexual thoughts or urges". Which most people do regularily....
Rephrase ?
-- Eivind Kjørstad ( talk) 08:32, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
I added an infobox with the ICD-10 link, feel free to update the rest of the fields :) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sradevic ( talk • contribs) 11:09, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
Examples of manifestation seem to be conspicuously absent. Perhaps a section. Just a thought thought thought.-- Anna Frodesiak ( talk) 05:21, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
One example in the computer age might be the compulsion to click 'refresh' again and again, as though to clean the screen. (In China, half of all computer users seem to suffer from this urge.) -- Anna Frodesiak ( talk) 05:23, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
Hi- I just added this section because the other's on this topic were getting cluttered. First, how does one find the category list mentioned above and can a link be included on the main entry page. Secondly, I propose adding: Howie Mandel, Marc Summers, and Martin Luther. OckRaz ( talk) 09:51, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
To Martinevans123:
To Aruffo:
From the opening sentence of the article, "Obsessive-compulsive disorder (OCD) is a mental disorder most commonly characterized by intrusive, repetitive thoughts resulting in compulsive behaviors and mental acts that the person feels driven to perform, according to rules that must be applied rigidly, aimed at preventing some imagined dreaded event; however, these behaviors or mental acts are not connected to the imagined dreaded event," the clause, "aimed at preventing some imagined dreaded event", strikes me as odd if not inaccurate.
I don't want to delete it right off the bat, but are there any references for it? From my own understanding, a sufferer of OCD simply acts compulsively because he or she "has to", not because of some goal or "dreaded event". Does anyone care to comment? Damienivan ( talk) 18:15, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
Hi all,
Came across this OCD wiki page, and reorganized a bit dividing it into OCD with and without overt compulsions.
This is generally the distinction used in scientific literature, which I try to contribute to in my professional life, and I think it will solve a lot of the discussion about the whole "pure-O" thing (a laymen's term), as well enhancing the organization of the paper.
Keep in mind, the diagnosis of OCD does not necessarily include overt compulsions, and OCD without overt compulsions is a major subtype of OCD in the clinical literature (as is OCD with overt compulsions)
The OCD with overt compulsions section would benefit from more info on checking compulsions, which is another major subtype next to washing.
Hi Looie,
Well, it's mostly a laymen's term. Not one I particularly like, but it's in use nonetheless (i.e. http://www.ocduk.org/1/pureo.htm). Not sure whether internet links should be sources. I'm not that familair with Wiki and leave that up to everyone's good judgement here. Thanks for the signing tip. 66.131.205.60 ( talk) 04:03, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
Added in a better reference regarding the distinction between OCD with and and without overt compulsions, and made a few corrections. Regarding the mentioning of pure-O, I think it's justified merely by the frequent use of the term by sufferers and laymen, and as long as it is pointed out out that it's not a generally accepted term in the clinical literature (which would be OCD without overt compulsions). The subtype of is also sometimes referred to as "obsessional ruminators" in the clinical literature. 66.131.205.60 ( talk) 18:10, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
Wondering if OCD suffers9as am I!) are more prone to addictions?Thanks! Andreisme ( talk) 19:10, 7 April 2009 (UTC)Edsonamtu04070921stcentdecded.
The result of the proposal was support for move.-- Fuhghettaboutit ( talk) 01:48, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
According to MOS:ENDASH, the title of this article should be "Obsessive–compulsive disorder" (with an en dash), not "Obsessive-compulsive disorder" (with a hyphen). I noticed this problem when reading the following recent review, which used the en dash:
I propose to switch to using the en dash uniformly in this article, as per MOS and per usage in high-quality publications. Eubulides ( talk) 08:00, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
I disagree with the results of this move request. Per WP:COMMONNAME, this article should be at Obsessive-compulsive disorder, as that is the form of dash that is used in most sources. – Pee Jay 09:40, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
I added a separate small paragraph explaining that not all OCD patients understand their thoughts are not reality. This article works on the idea that ocd patients realize that their thoughts are irrational. This is not always the case, though when one can realize this they are starting the healing proscess. I am an OCD sufferer, and am not posting this point off of personal opinion, but the reality that the disorder confuses reality with the mysteries of intrusive thinking. One so involved in the thoughts can not see that they are just chemical disfunctions, and tend to think they are a horrible person. If anyone wants to contest this, they can feel free to fight this fact. (added by 70.43.117.162 ( talk · contribs)).
It's a fairly complicated isse brought up here. The phrase "recognise that their thoughts are thoughts - and not reality" refers to the ego-dystonic nature of obsessions in OCD. That is, the person with OCD generally recognizes that their thoughts are senseless, irrational and excessive. The obsessions are usually alien to the self. This is not always the case, however. As pointed out, in the middle of an obsessional episode, obsessions may not be experienced as ego-dystonic as outside of it, and there may be some blurring between reality and the obsession. Generally, in the scientific literature, if the senseless of the obsession is not recognized, then it would be referred as OCD with overvalued ideation or as an ego-syntonic obsession. The concept is closely related to insight as well in the professional literature, and touches on delusional disorder as well in that an entirely ego-syntonic obsessions is difficult to differentiate from a delusion. So overall, an addition of this sort would be justified, albeit fairly complicated to get into, and it would require a quite a bit of literature and background. 66.131.205.60 ( talk) 04:54, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
Perhaps I should have brought this here before removing it, but I've removed this ( Caffeine anaphylaxis-stage II: obsessive–compulsive disorder, Townsend Letter for Doctors and Patients, April, 2004, by Ruth Whalen) source and the accompanying statement that caffeine causes OCD symptoms. The source itself is a letter to the editor. The letter was published (in the letters to the editor section) in the Townsend Letter for Doctors and Patients. I know little about this publication, but their byline appears to be "Examines medical alternatives from multiple traditions and disciplines."
The title of the article is "Caffeine anaphylaxis-stage II: obsessive-compulsive disorder - Letters to the Editor - Letter to the Editor". I have serious doubts as to whether or not this is a theory supported by research. I've found nothing from a peer reviewed journal, or even the popular press, that links caffeine anaphylaxis to OCD. Caffeine anaphylaxis is rare and, like most anaphylaxis, accute (Allergy. 2003 Jul;58(7):681-2.). While I don't doubt, in fact, I suspect there are studies that suggest a link between caffeine and OCD, this particular one does not meet WP:RS. Shadowjams ( talk) 19:37, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
Is it a sly Wikipedia editor's joke that "Obsessive-compulsive disorder" is a redirect to "Obsessive—compulsive disorder"? Tempshill ( talk) 05:12, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
Please would someone correct the spelling of the header for the article? Thank you. 81.99.108.57 ( talk) 16:29, 4 December 2010 (UTC)
The Purely Obsessional OCD Article should be a considered for merging with the OCD article most academic sources don't differentiate Pure-O from O.C.D. they just refer to the sufferer as "Purely Obsesional person" or call it OCD without overt compulsions. See "The OCD workbook" By Bruce M. Hyman, Cherry Pedrick & "Coping with OCD" By Bruce M. Hyman, Troy DuFrene, Page 60. This is also present here Obsessive-compulsive disorders By Fred Penzel 2000-- 87.202.88.193 ( talk) 23:46, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
I am not an expert in this area, but it appears to me that as both OCD and OCPD have WP articles, it is helpful to add the hatnotes to clarify this and lead from each to the other. PamD ( talk) 07:31, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
"Obsessive-compulsive disorder affects roughly six million Americans." How about the other people around the world?-- 88.229.255.129 ( talk) 17:15, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
Looks like Essjay all over again: people playing with the facts to try to do some good that they feel can't be done any other way. According to college textbooks, there are clear lines between extremism and obsessive compulsive disorder. I can't properly say this article is altogether credible. Tcaudilllg ( talk) 20:05, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
are they all really necessary? I understand the links to Intrusive thoughts and Neuropsychiatry, but the Biology of OCD, the Current diagnostic criteria for OCD and the Treatment of OCD are all subjects pertaining specifically to OCD, so why create additional pages for them? Wouldn't we just be reexplaining ourselves? MichaelExe ( talk) 15:12, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
Do you think it would be wise to "protect" the article to prevent
trolls and
cyber-bullies alike from tampering with it? Per instance, there's a man over in
Norway that's constantly being harassed by a group of Canadians who made off with 4 kittens in
2007, saying he has the disorder, when by specification alone he does not.
Protection of the article may work, if any
vandalism attempt should be stopped.
--
205.214.245.39 (
talk) 16:19, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
I've tried to make Compulsive behavior look halfway decent, but in all honesty, this unsourced stub says nothing that isn't or can't be covered in here. I wouldn't delete this spinoff by any means, because it's a plausible search term, and because, I suppose, it's possible that someone, someday could write an article about non-obsessive or non-clinical compulsions. But until that day comes, or at least until this article becomes more presentable and better-sourced, I don't see how the Compulsive behavior article really adds or encourages any material that isn't or shouldn't be in the OCD article. In fact, as it stands, the CB article looks like little more than a dictionary definition, and so belongs over yonder. So, does anybody else think that the CB page should be redirected to the OCD one? Cosmic Latte ( talk) 13:40, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
Heard (didnt see in article) That bacterial infections in childhood or in Adults affecting the brain. Could induce OCD.Is this so? TheStrikingsword ( talk) 09:48, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
I added only stepping on sertain color tiles to the list of compulsions because I, as a sufferer of OCD have experienced and discussed with a few of my friends who also soposedly have it. I also talked about it with a psychiatrist who said that it was not uncommon. I just hope that this edit is considered verifiable and not concidered original research. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.226.111.151 ( talk) 23:08, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
This article needs some information about social or family influences in the development of the disease. Theres is a lot of research about it. 186.80.153.41 ( talk) 04:54, 14 January 2010 (UTC)Castel
The WHO map right there at section one isn't really explained. I would assume the red areas are the bad ones, but that requires an assumption unwarranted by the evidence. Does clicking on the map cause it to be explained? (I've not clicked on it myself) Unless I am missing something (say, perhaps somewhere in the article itself the map is referred to and explained), I suggest that perhaps something could be added to the caption explaining what the colors represent. -- Neptunerover ( talk) 06:13, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
It appears some overeager editor was spamming anxiety-disorder articles to promote the TV show, which of course was automatically reacted to (and removed) as vandalism. If this is actually a genuine nonfiction documentary-type series about OCD and its relatives, airing on a legitimate cable station, I would concur that it deserves the same level of attention here as does Monk. aruffo ( talk) 21:52, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
I agree with CosmicLatte that the Jack Nicholson edit was in good faith. The editor was probably not aware of the previous conversation about that particular section of the article becoming a dumping ground for every example that anyone could list of celebrities who exhibited OCD tendencies in some manner (real or fictional). The article linked to made a specific point about movies' influence on society, and this point, rather than the trivial fact that an actor portrayed a person, is relevant to this article. aruffo ( talk) 11:31, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
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What does "preocupation with religious impulses etc." mean? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.123.44.210 ( talk) 08:23, 21 March 2010 (UTC)
..There was a segment on the page titled "Law" which mentioned some jurisdictions passing legislation infringing on the civil freedoms of those suffering with OCD but with a "citation needed" posted afterward..living in a rural region & having dealt with both covert & overt discrimination of my OCD it would be nice to know some legitimate sources of legal information to this effect which could make life here easier for me here as there is virtually no advocacy available to me in this cultural wasteland where I am by circumstances forced to live now..thank you for any help anyone can render.. 64.85.223.59 ( talk) 00:58, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
Reply to 64.85.223.59. You do not say which country you are in.
The United Kingdom now has The Equality Act 2010 which supercedes several other acts including the Disability Discrimination Act 1995.
The Equalities And Human Rights Commission provides mediation in the UK.
http://www.equalityhumanrights.com
More information is also provided by
If you live elsewhere, do an internet search on "Human Rights" and "Disability Legislation" and "Disability Discrimination", and you should be able to find references to appropriate legislation in your own country to provide you with the protection from discrimination which you need.
Also check the United Nations website for The Universal Declaration of Human Rights and other legislation and documents provided by that organization related to disabled people.
http://www.un.org/cyberschoolbus/humanrights/resources/universal.asp
See also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convention_on_the_Rights_of_Persons_with_Disabilities
There is also a lot more info here on Wikipedia about the rights of disabled people which I think will provide you with the necessary links. I am sorry I cannot provide you with more LINKS at this time as I have saved lots of PAGES on discrimination rather than LINKS so that I can read them when I do not have an internet connection. 81.99.108.57 ( talk) 16:50, 4 December 2010 (UTC)
It is confusing to switch terms from one sentence to the next. Pick one term and stick to it. If "anxiety disorder" is the more accurate term, then use it. I understand that the current use of "anxiety" in the first sentence makes it awkward to use the term "anxiety disorder" there but I don't think the solution is to introduce the term in the second sentence. Address the repetitive use of the word "anxiety" in the first sentence by either breaking that sentence into two sentences or replacing the other uses with something else.This is writing problem that needs to be addressed and edit warring and stubbornly sticking with what's there is not going to fix it. I'd rather see the awkward repetition rather than the confusing use of terminology:
Joja lozzo 16:33, 20 June 2010 (UTC)
The neurotransmitter section is littered by the subject of dopamine addiction which is forcibly linked to OCD by a questionable theory which hasn't been validated by relevant citations. The suggestion is that people with OCD repeatedly think of rewarding thoughts to satisfy dopamine addiction, which supposedly explains the heightened levels of dopamine in the brains of OCD patients. This is ludicrous because normally people with OCD who have reoccurring thoughts have negative thoughts, not rewarding ones. After the termination of obsessive thoughts perhaps there is a heightened level of dopamine which brings a patient a sense of relief, but it seems very unlikely that the obsessive thoughts themselves raise dopamine levels. The entire part that focuses on dopamine and the pathology of dopamine addiction needs to be deleted. 98.201.105.130 ( talk) 23:38, 21 June 2010 (UTC)
Wiki Guidelines state links should be added if they are"accessible to the reader", if site content is proper, and if the link is likely to remain functional. Not a long list here, only 2 links
The following links should be added:
Beehivenoqueen ( talk) 02:29, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
It has been proposed at Wikipedia talk:Invitation to edit that, because of the relatively high number of IP editors attracted to Obsessive compulsive disorder, it form part of a one month trial of a strategy aimed at improving the quality of new editors' contributions to health-related articles. It would involve placing this:
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at the top of the article, linking to this mini-tutorial about MEDRS sourcing, citing and content, as well as basic procedures, and links to help pages. Your comments regarding the strategy are invited at the project talk page, and comments here, regarding the appropriateness of trialling it on this article, would be appreciated. Anthony ( talk) 11:53, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
I just came across the oddest entry at a disambiguation page, CDO, linking to the present article with the description "the alphabetically sorted version of Obsessive-compulsive disorder, a psychological disorder". Is this a joke? __ meco ( talk) 16:49, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
In your article, it states that one of the addictive behaviors that is often associated with obsessive compulsive disorder is overeating. Could the opposite, aneorexia, also be a side effect. My cousin has ocd and had a near-fatal bought with aneorexia, and was started supposedly because she heard people talking about her weight, causing her to obsess about her own weight. Is this also a common and likely connection? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ryantheincredible ( talk • contribs) 01:29, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
I was able to edit this page back in October and now I can't edit it now. What can I do to be able to edit this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Curten jb ( talk • contribs) 18:04, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
{{ edit semi-protected}} Under External Links, would you please add the IOCDF, Internation Obsessive Compulsive Disorder Foundation.
It is a very important place for people dealing with OCD, themselves or in their family, to go to for acurate, up to date information and is run by the TOP EXPERTS on OCD in not only this country but the WORLD.
68.37.132.124 (
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I really do not like that hand-washing is being used as the main picture. Having dealt with many severe sufferers of OCD (such as myself) who did not exhibit any tendency towards obsessive hand-washing, I feel like this constitutes a stereotype and I really do not like it. P2.71828182 ( talk) 22:31, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
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Doc James (
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email) 04:22, 6 March 2011 (UTC)As for an alternative image, other articles have used a brain scan highlighting the regions involved in OCD organising precision cleaning trichotillomania checking hoarding symbolic representation. Would any of these be more appropriate? -- Anthonyhcole ( talk) 05:06, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
Seeing that the cause is unknown a brain scan says little about this topic. I have provided evidence of how common this symptom / sign is. Can you present evidence that it is a harmful sterotype? Remember Wikipedia is trying to be evidence based. Doc James ( talk · contribs · email) 04:49, 7 March 2011 (UTC)
hello... I have ocd and i find this stereotype to be quite offensive... being a programmer i have the means and know how to wage war upon this page and remove that picture.... if it is replaced... it will be taken down... this is the end of all argument to this picture. —Preceding
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P2.71828182, it is a bad way to represent OCD; plus, it could and does offend many people with OCD. Rsercher ( talk) 21:40, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
Like some commentators on this page, I've been diagnosed with OCD. Like some commentators, I'm also familiar with the research litature. I don't see anything offensive or inaccurate about the hand-washing picture. But that, in my estimation, is the problem. The picture is not offensive enough, and at the same time it's just too accurate:
I don't claim to have the slightest clue what an ideal picture for the introduction to this article would look like; rather, I maintain that it has yet to be discovered or suggested, and I encourage further exploration in a continued (if confusing) quest to find an image which may compensate for any superfcial irreverence or imprecision by embodying a deeper logic and more sensitive aesthetics than those apparent in the current choice.
With a new image of this sort the lead should spare the reader from the smallest hermeneutic circle and from the slightest semiotic scramble.
Cosmic Latte (
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Meanwhile, someone who has no obsession about their hands is counting peas on their plate and hording until they have head high stacks falling on them and fires breaking out. Why? Because those with this condition or those who live with them looking for information about them, but all they see is a hand washer. Stereotyping is not helpful. I agree with those who say it is harmful, but it is also deceptive. It is not the only or even the most likely symptom. SEE:
http://understanding_ocd.tripod.com/ocd_symptoms.html Why do you need an image at all?
JohnLloydScharf (
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someone deleted the psychology section?? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.7.103.230 ( talk) 19:35, 31 July 2011 (UTC)
Since OCD suffers are "addicted" to their comulsions. Does this lead many to addiction? (drugs etc?) Also, since there is temporary loss of memory often associated with OCD . May be this a factor in predicting future alAHEIMERÂ ? SOCALKIDME ( talk) 19:03, 17 August 2011 (UTC)
The external links section should include a link to OCD Chicago. It is one of the biggest resources on the web for information on the subject of OCD.
The link is: http://www.ocdchicago.org/
Dougbertram ( talk) 16:18, 20 October 2011 (UTC)
The reference to Melvin Udall in As Good as it Gets having OCD is not entirely accurate (despite a line in the movie mentioning OCD), and I think that providing an inaccurate example will leave readers with a false impression of the disorder. Udall more likely suffered from OCPD than OCD, most notably because of the egosyntonic nature of his symptoms. He never seemed to have a problem with his behavior, whereas someone with OCD would suffer distress from their obsessions or rituals. In contrast, he alienated many people around him with his intolerance and rigidity, which are more characteristic of OCPD. I think that the reference should stay in the article but be modified to mention the OCPD diagnosis, in order to most effectively combat the misinformation within the movie. EriktheRed53 ( talk) 05:25, 15 November 2011 (UTC)
"The phrase obsessive–compulsive has become part of the English lexicon, and is often used in an informal or caricatured manner to describe someone who is excessively meticulous, perfectionistic, absorbed, or otherwise fixated.[4] The term obsession came from the latin terms “obsessio†and “posessio†were commonly used during warfare. “Obsessio†means that a group of soldiers have the desire to take over a town or city. When the soldiers successfully took over the city, they cheered “Posessio.†This metaphor was often related to the devil taking over one’s soul. The difference is possessive people’s minds were completely taken over. Obsessive people knew their minds were being controlled, but did not know how to stop the images in their heads. “Obsession is a well- known category involving doing or thinking one thing too much, being aware of that activity, but being unable to stop it." [1]These signs are present in OCD, a person who exhibits them does not necessarily have OCD, and may instead have obsessive–compulsive personality disorder (OCPD), an autism spectrum disorder, or no clinical condition"
Here, the main problem has been put in bold. This is both unmentioned in the OCPD article as well as being an unfounded and unsupported statement. Either back it up with a suitable citation and add it to the OCPD article as well, or remove the claim entirely. -- 83.183.127.178 ( talk) 21:11, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
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There is an important need to add two symptoms to the OCD symptoms list: a "feeling of being poisoned by chemicals" and a "feeling of being threatened by electromagnetic radiation".
Reference: "The Brain That Changes Itself" by Dr. Norman Doidge, page 166.
Foxbat21 (
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There is an important need to replace the ERP treatment (described as the most effective treatment) with the even more effective four step treatment by Dr. Jeffery Schwartz described in his book "Brain Lock". Foxbat21 ( talk) 05:34, 24 November 2011 (UTC)
I have just had a look at your page about recovery from ocd - saying periods of ocd abating is uncommon !! there are people like my self who have recovered from the illness. I feel that this is not being highlighted in this article people do recover from this illness. I think you should have look at stats on recovery. thanks... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.24.174.248 ( talk) 19:45, 4 February 2012 (UTC)
Let me find these for u thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.28.144.55 ( talk) 15:55, 3 March 2012 (UTC)
I suggest that the following information should be included as relevant to the entry on OCD: PANS is an acronym for Pediatric Acute-Onset Neuropsychiatric Syndrome. This diagnosis is used to describe children who have "abrupt, dramatic onset of obsessive-compulsive disorder (OCD) or severely restricted food intake" coincident with the presence of two or more neuropsychiatric symptoms. [2] Werelived ( talk) 01:49, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
I notice the external links section is extremely concise, for obvious reasons. So I'll just ask: any support for adding this online NFB documentary as an external link? thanks, Shawn in Montreal ( talk) 22:01, 1 March 2012 (UTC)
I just read this article to see if their were other names for OCD, but the sexual obsession paragraph (second paragraph under “Obsessionsâ€), was rather unnecessary.
I am aware that some people with OCD experience sexual, intrusive thoughts, those are some that I get, as well), but it's not an obsession; when I listen to my OCD, I am making a concious decission to do so, in hope that it will stop the anxiety. My intrusive thoughts, however, are something I can never control. I try as hard as I can to get them out of my mind, but I don't have control over it. It's not something I can say “no†to like my OCD (you can say no, it's just extremely difficult), it's as if someone else is controlling my mind.
As to the comment of obsessing over what ones sexual orientation is, many people do, not just the ones with OCD.
But what really bothers me about these comments on “sexual obsession†is that, it is all intrusive thoughts. All though I am very aware intrusive thoughts occurs in many OCD patients, intrusive thoughts aren't always sexual.
My OCD gives me many intrusive thoughts; whenever I see someone, a derogatory term based on their ethnicity comes to my mind. I'm not racist; I can't control it. Intrusive thoughts can include thoughts of murder. I know people who keep imagining their loved ones dying, some even imagining that they are actually killing their loved ones. It's not them, it's their intrusive thoughts, brought on by their OCD.
Excuse my rant, but the point I am trying to make with it is that, all though it makes sense to mention these sexual thoughts, it should be specified that some people with OCD have intrusive thoughts, which I assume would have its own page, which then specifies the different types of thoughts. If it's really necessary, then, when mentioining intrusive thoughts, put down “sexual, violent, etc.†or something like that. 98.217.230.157 ( talk) 20:26, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
As a person who has been diagnosed with obsessive-compulsive disorder, I would like to respectfully object to the hand-washing photo used at the top of this article. Its prominence and placement appears to me to be perpetuating a stereotype of OCD, namely the stereotype that we're all compulsive hand-washers. Because of this, and also because of how it so narrowly represents merely one manifestation of the disorder, I'd like to suggest that the photo be either removed or replaced. Any thoughts? Chenmaoen ( talk) 02:55, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
I don't think the picture nor the article implies that OCD sufferers are "all compulsive hand-washers". It's just a common symptom, as the caption says. To pick a few other mental health articles at random, not everyone with autism repetitively stacks objects, not all schizophrenics spout incoherent word salad, and not everyone with Aspergers displays abnormally focused interests. It's just difficult to illustrate every possible permutation of a disorder within a single image. Do you have any suggestions as to what should replace the hand-washing photo? DoctorKubla ( talk) 06:10, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
The photo is offensive and less than helpful. Prove it's a common symptom. It's a common stereotype because of misinformation. It should be changed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.242.102.226 ( talk) 02:21, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
this is a better picture: http://www.ocdawarenessweek.org/sites/default/files/field/image/ocd.jpg — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.242.102.226 ( talk) 02:27, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
Well, the reference given in the article says "The most common obsession is fear of contamination and results in compulsive hand-washing". The picture you're offering seems a bit too abstract to be useful or appropriate for an encyclopedia. (As for its legal status, you could try contacting OCD-UK. If they own the copyright, I'm sure they'd be happy for us to use the image.) DoctorKubla ( talk) 07:48, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
Perhaps the OCD ribbon could be used. Whether as the main pucture or just anotherpicturebin the article, it's pretty significant. 98.217.230.157 ( talk) 23:13, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
I really think that this article is too short. It doesn't give much information about OCD, just how to supposedly "cure" it. What I mean to say is that it needs more info. Colabcalub ( talk) 01:12, 5 June 2012 (UTC)
Is treatment available for this? 216.67.115.204 ( talk) 11:42, 4 July 2012 (UTC)
Clomipramine injections as cited here: http://archpsyc.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=204286
Mind you the methodology is changing as it is still under testing and refinement. I will be receiving treatment via "home-infusions" soon. It is currently not FDA approved.
- Thank you.
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Add Clomipramine infusions under treatments ("Introduction of a solution into the body through a vein for therapeutic purposes." - http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/infusion). Clomipramine injections as cited here: http://archpsyc.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=204286 Mind you the methodology is changing as it is still under testing and refinement. I will be receiving treatment via "home-infusions" soon. It is currently not FDA approved. - Thank you.
Williash03 ( talk) 02:34, 7 July 2012 (UTC)
The sentences are: "OCD is the fourth most common mental disorder, and is diagnosed nearly as often as asthma and diabetes mellitus.[1] In the United States, one in 50 adults suffers from OCD.[2]"
The first sentence is blatantly false. OCD has a lifetime prevalence of about 2-3% ( http://archpsyc.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=494440), which is less than almost all anxiety disorders and certainly far from being the 4th most prevalent mental disorder ( http://archpsyc.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=208678). The second sentence is thus also false, and misleading since it sounds like point prevalence, although this would also be false. I don't have the knowledge to make these changes properly with citations in wikipedia, but someone please do so! OCD is closer to being the 20th most prevalent mental disorder. The epidemiology section seems to be more accurate. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.67.91.35 ( talk) 18:41, 10 July 2012 (UTC)
The atypical antipsychotics olanzapine, quetiapine, and risperidone have also been found to be useful as adjuncts to an SSRI in treatment-resistant OCD. However, these drugs are often poorly tolerated, and have significant metabolic side effects that limit their use. None of the atypical antipsychotics have demonstrated efficacy as a monotherapy.[55]
Edit: The atypical antipsychotics olanzapine, quetiapine, risperidone and ariprazole have also been found to be useful as adjuncts to an SSRI in treatment-resistant OCD. However, these drugs are often poorly tolerated, and some have significant metabolic side effects that limit their use. None of the atypical antipsychotics have demonstrated efficacy as a monotherapy.[55]
The atypical anti psychotic aripiprazole (Abilify) has a different mechanism of action than the other antipsychotics. It has been shown to be antiobsessive as compared to the other atypical antipsychotics. The atypical anti psychotics each have a different side-effect profile.
Reference: Psychol Med. 2011 Nov;41(11):2361-73. Epub 2011 Apr 5. Antiserotonergic antipsychotics are associated with obsessive-compulsive symptoms in schizophrenia. Schirmbeck F, Esslinger C, Rausch F, Englisch S, Meyer-Lindenberg A, Zink M. Source Central Institute of Mental Health, Department of Psychiatry and Psychotherapy, Mannheim, Germany.
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Please include http://www.beyondocd.org to to included in the external links section because the non-profit organization is a valuable resource for people wanting to know more about Obsessive Compulsive Disorder and people suffering from the disorder.
Mfoy1234 ( talk) 17:41, 30 August 2012 (UTC)
Aurochs,
http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Obsessive%E2%80%93compulsive_disorder&diff=513313575&oldid=512939858
What's the background on this edit, and the basis for describing as "fringe"?
If it's a treatment that has had clinical discussion, even if unproven or discredited, I guess it should be mentioned anyway, the balanced view should be included with cited clinical views if it is "fringe".
(I do not have a personal opinion)
James
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In the "Neurotransmitters Role" Section
PLEASE CHANGE "Differences in other parts of the brain and an imbalance of brain chemicals, especially serotonin and dopamine, may also contribute to OCD.[42]" TO "Differences in other parts of the brain and an imbalance of brain chemicals, especially serotonin, dopamine, and glutamate, may also contribute to OCD.[42]" BECAUSE Glutamate dysregulation in OCD has been demonstrated in research literature.
CITATION FOR THIS WILL BE: Pittenger, C, Bloch, MH, Williams, K. Glutamate abnormalities in obsessive-compulsive disorder: Neurobiology, pathophysiology, and treatment. Pharmacology & Therapeutics. 2011;132:314-332.
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In the "Medication" Section
Please add citations listed to location [X] in the sentence mentioned below. There have been research on riluzole treatment in treatment-refractory OCD. The most definitive review of the literature to date includes the citation below.
"Much current research is devoted to the therapeutic potential of the agents that affect the release of the neurotransmitter glutamate or the binding to its receptors. These include riluzole [X]..."
CITATION 1: Pittenger, C, Coric, V, Banasr, M, Bloch, M, Krystal, JH, Sanacora, G. Riluzole in the treatment of mood and anxiety disorders. CNS Drugs. 2008;22:761-786.
CITATION 2: http://www.ocfoundation.org/glutamate.aspx
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Mkelly15 (
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Aurochs,
Though the Pharmacol Biochem Behav article mentions Riluzole, I don't think that it is central enough in the article to use as it's sole citation. If you won't add the CNS Article (Pittenger, C, Coric, V, Banasr, M, Bloch, M, Krystal, JH, Sanacora, G. Riluzole in the treatment of mood and anxiety disorders. CNS Drugs. 2008;22:761-786.) then please add this one instead:
Coric V, Taskiran S, Pittenger C, Wasylink S, Mathalon DH, Valentine G, et al. Riluzole Augmentation in Treatment-Resistant Obsessive–Compulsive Disorder: An Open-Label Trial. Biological Psychiatry. 2005;58(5):424-428.
The article specifically targets riluzole augmentation
The abstract for this article can be found here: http://www.biologicalpsychiatryjournal.com/article/S0006-3223(05)00563-9/abstract http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15993857
Thanks.
Mkelly15 ( talk) 00:49, 19 October 2012 (UTC)
There are many people, both sufferers and mental health professionals who frankly balk at the notion that any form of mental illness is purely or even mostly caused by 'faulty biology' We see this as a highly damaging idea promoted by drug companies and pandered to by govenments only too happy not to have to face the problem of dysfunctional families within modern societies. There are many alternative opinions regarding the sources of OCD from a psychodynamic perspective, none of which are covered by theis article at all or even given a nod. Outrageous. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.5.6.123 ( talk) 22:04, 2 January 2013 (UTC)
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In the "Society and Culture" section, the last bullet point reads, "OCD is one of the main themes in Xenocide, a SF novel by Orson Scott Card. Grammatically, it should be an SF novel or, for more clarity, a Science Fiction novel. Idez ( talk) 16:17, 23 January 2013 (UTC)
Where is it said that Obsessive-Compulsive Personality Disorder is an Autism Spectrum Disorder? I cannot find this anywhere in the primary literature or the DSM V. I propose that this be removed until further assessment. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Magnesiumdreamz ( talk • contribs) 20:50, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
Someone exhibiting OCD signs does not necessarily have OCD. Behaviors that present as (or seem to be) obsessive or compulsive can also be found in a number of other conditions as well, including obsessive–compulsive personality disorder (OCPD), an autism spectrum disorder, disorders where perseveration is a possible feature (ADHD, PTSD, bodily disorders or habit problems),[3] or sub-clinically.
please consider adding the section to wiki article I assume this short story depicts a neurotic (OCD) character http://www.online-literature.com/yeats/1107/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.197.156.14 ( talk) 08:31, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
As of DSM-V (May, 2013), OCD is no longer classified as an "anxiety disorder." See: http://pro.psychcentral.com/2013/dsm-5-changes-obsessive-compulsive-and-related-disorders/004404.html#: "According to the American Psychiatric Association (APA), the publisher of the DSM-5, the major change for obsessive-compulsive disorder is the fact that it and related disorders now have their own chapter. They are no longer considered “anxiety disorders.†This is due to increasing research evidence demonstrating common threads running through a number of OCD-related disorders — obsessive thoughts and/or repetitive behaviors."
While nearly every source on the internet continues to describe OCD as an "anxiety disorder", as Wikipedia itself notes, the DSM provides the "standard criteria for the classification of mental disorders."
I propose that this article at least acknowledge the changing classification of this disorder within the medical community. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.191.108.153 ( talk) 07:04, 2 September 2013 (UTC)
It would be too evil to have grammar errors on the OCD page. "However, OCD sufferers generally recognize their obsessions and compulsions as irrational, and may become further distressed by this realization." Nope, the last comma should be gone, and the page is locked for editing.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Eioehigksdg444444lskdfg ( talk • contribs)
If you know how to edit the text of the article please include in the text the next important passage from the source: There is no evidence that general counseling, psychodynamic therapy, psychoanalytic therapy, hypnotherapy, or transactional analysis are of any benefit in obsessive-compulsive disorder. [3] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.90.71.16 ( talk) 03:28, 27 October 2013 (UTC)
There is an error in the first word of the section "Other common comorbidities and OCD-like conditions" Somebody please fix it. 114.79.29.64 ( talk) 06:39, 2 December 2013 (UTC)
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Here's a useful public domain booklet; material from this can be freely copied into the article [1] Enchanter 00:13, 15 January 2003 (UTC)
The article linked to by extinction is irrelevant. I don't know what to change it to, as there is no article about the indented meaning of the word "extinction". However, extinction (disambiguation) mentions it. — Daniel Brockman 21:14, 5 May 2004 (UTC)
I don't know who at Wikipedia decided that titles of books, films, etc., should take italics rather than quotation marks, but it's an atrocious decision. Italics might be the way it's done in freshman college essays, but it's not the way it's done in the real world. Check the stylebook of most any contemporary publication; quotes are used for titles.
The italics look amateur. (Which I suppose is what Wikipedia legitimately is, when it comes down to it.) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.41.175.119 ( talk) 21:14, 28 October 2004 (UTC)
Then again, the OCD page is probably the last place I want to be starting a nitpicky argument about details. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.41.175.119 ( talk) 21:14, 28 October 2004 (UTC)
"An estimated two to three percent of the population is thought to have OCD or display OCD-like symptoms."
The population of where? I assume it's either the US or the entire world, more likely the former, but it's not exactly clear. TheJames 00:54, 10 Dec 2004 (UTC)
I think this list is highly questionable. I researched a few names just now and the links to OCD are questionable. Just because Donald Trump says he is a "germ freak" doesn't mean he has OCD. Cameron Diaz reportedly opens doors with her elbows – this is stronger evidence, but the reference was 2nd hand at best. IMHO, Wikipedia should not list someone as having OCD unless they have been diagnosed and admitted it in public. Should the list be removed entirely with names only being added back in when their OCD is verified? Robertbrockway 07:50, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)
It is almost like the list of celebrities with breast implants. Do we have sources for this apparently growing list? -- None-of-the-Above 03:12, 31 August 2005 (UTC)
The list of celebs who have OCD seems very speculative. As suggested in discussion above, it should probably be purged, and names only added back in if a source/reference exists.
No particular objection was raised above, so unless someone gives reason to the contrary, I propose the list be removed in a couple of days.-- Starwed 01:37, 24 December 2005 (UTC)
Shouldn't there be a separate list for people who were dead before OCD was even documented? Darwin, Proust, Florence Nightingale and so on... Pascal.Tesson 15:04, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
Jessica Alba said she had OCD as a child. So she isn't a sufferer anymore. I think it would be appropriate to remove her name from the list on the article. -- Porcher 17:27, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
In case it hasn't already been done, Joey Ramone's OCD can be verified by statements made by his mother and brother in the film End of the Century: The Story of the Ramones. Also, please reconsider the "Diane Chambers" and Vertigo; they sound more like either OCPD, or minor, non-clinical compulsive tendencies, than true OCD. Illusi0nist 03:13, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
To the anon IP, can you say something about why you're removing this list? If you feel there are mistakes in it, perhaps you could edit it rather than deleting it entirely. SlimVirgin (talk) 22:02, 22 June 2005 (UTC)
The Monica Geller reference needs to be completed. Also, another example is the X-Files Episode Bad Blood,which depicts a vampire afflicted with the need to pick up something scattered on the floor by Mulder. -- Silverhand 15:26, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
DOCTOR. What is it she does now? Look how she rubs her hands. GENTLEWOMAN. It is an accustomed action with her, to seem thus washing her hands. I have known her continue in this a quarter of an hour. LADY MACBETH. Yet here's a spot. DOCTOR. Hark, she speaks! I will set down what comes from her, to satisfy my remembrance the more strongly. LADY MACBETH. Out, damned spot! Out, I say!--One: two: why then 'tis time to do't. Hell is murky. Fie, my lord, fie! A soldier, and afeard? What need we fear who knows it, when none can call our power to account? Yet who would have thought the old man to have had so much blood in him? DOCTOR. Do you mark that? LADY MACBETH. The Thane of Fife had a wife; where is she now? What, will these hands ne'er be clean? No more o' that, my lord, no more o' that. You mar all with this starting. DOCTOR. Go to, go to; you have known what you should not. GENTLEWOMAN. She has spoke what she should not, I am sure of that. Heaven knows what she has known. LADY MACBETH. Here's the smell of the blood still. All the perfumes of Arabia will not sweeten this little hand. Oh, oh, oh! DOCTOR. What a sigh is there! The heart is sorely charged. GENTLEWOMAN. I would not have such a heart in my bosom for the dignity of the whole body. DOCTOR. Well, well, well-- GENTLEWOMAN. Pray God it be, sir. DOCTOR. This disease is beyond my practice. Yet I have known those which have walked in their sleep who have died holily in their beds. LADY MACBETH. Wash your hands, put on your nightgown, look not so pale. I tell you yet again, Banquo's buried; he cannot come out on's grave. DOCTOR. Even so? LADY MACBETH. To bed, to bed; there's knocking at the gate. Come, come, come, come, give me your hand.What's done cannot be undone.To bed, to bed, to bed. [Exit. DOCTOR. Will she go now to bed? GENTLEWOMAN. Directly. DOCTOR. Foul whisperings are abroad. Unnatural deeds Do breed unnatural troubles; infected minds To their deaf pillows will discharge their secrets. More needs she the divine than the physician. God, God, forgive us all! Look after her; Remove from her the means of all annoyance, And still keep eyes upon her. So good night. My mind she has mated and amazed my sight. I think, but dare not speak. GENTLEWOMAN. Good night, good doctor. [Exeunt.
I strongly recommend the short story of an Russian writer Anton Pavlovich Chekhov: The Death Of A Government Clerk.
Read online:
http://www.amlit.com/Chekhov/SS/TheDeathOfAGovernmentClerk.html
It seems that the main character suffers from OCD... (posted by anonymUser)
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Why does info about As Good As It Gets say something like OCD is portrayed in a sterotypical way in this movie? I don't think that this movie really was that much worse than other movies in its portrayal of OCD and a lot of aspects of this movie show the true suffering of someone with OCD....the scene where Melvin keeps locking and unlocking the door come to mind. You also see Melvin burning his hands in the beginning of the movie as well. Flyerhell 09:26, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
I think it would be nice if some aspects of this article were expanded. Specifically, the history of OCD (Anal fixation from Freud????) and better treatment details (Exposure and Response prevention). Depression tends to be highly comorbid with OCD as well (Helpless-hopeless hypothosis), it would be nice if this were mentioned. Done. The part about opiates was interesting but it would be nice if it were expanded...and perhaps a reason could be offered for the treatment effects of opiates. I have read some recent research positing that the comorbidity rate of OCD with drug addiction is VERY high, perhaps because drug addiction can be viewed as a type of compulsive behavior? Done. I also take issue with this sentence: "People who suffer with OCPD tend to derive pleasure from their obsessions or compulsions. Those with OCD do not derive pleasure but are ridden with anxiety. This is a significant difference between these disorders." While people with OCD are in fact filled with anxiety, it is important to note that the compulsion RELIEVES this anxiety (temporarily)....and while the compulsions are distressing to individuals with OCD, it is important to note that since these compulsions are anxiety-relieving, the OCD sufferer may actually enjoy the compulsion to a point? Just something to keep in mind. I can make the edits, but I wanted to get some feedback on them before I do so.
Flyerhell 09:30, 16 November 2005 (UTC) Revised:
Flyerhell 09:42, 23 November 2005 (UTC)
I scanned for a few of the references throughout the article but I could not find any citations of them. If these are not actually cited in the article, shouldn't they be under "further reading"? I will also add the reference from the citation that I put into the article last week. Done. I also attempted to clean up the reference section, it appears that 2 or 3 different types of styles were used to cite references. I think that we should agree on one style. I would recommend APA (that is what I used) as this is a psych article. Let me know your thoughts.
Flyerhell 09:11, 23 November 2005 (UTC)
Obsessive-compulsives, please join the Recent Changes patrol and monitor Wikipedia for vandalism. Your help is definitely necessary. Don't forget to eat and sleep, however. And make sure you are earning enough cash to pay for basic necessities. Thanks. - MPD 00:26, 1 January 2006 (UTC)
The neuropsychiatry section is incredibly hard to read, at first it list the receptor but then it lists them again in some sort of sequence that is just incredibly disoriented, I don't object to this section but I think we should make it more readable. Deathawk 04:53, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
In the section OCD in Literature and Fiction, the article claims that the novel Xenocide by Orson Scott Card features a planet where people with OCD are revered as religious figures. It was actually Children of the Mind, Xenocide's sequel, that featured this planet- it was the character Wang-Mu that most heavily presented OCD in the novel (she would sometimes have to trace wood grains).
I've changed the article accordingly. Mouseclicker 02:26, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
I am interested in adding an external link to our website (the OCD Center of Los Angeles at www.ocdla.com) from the Wikipedia page of OCD. I have added the site 2-3 times, but it has been removed each time. I wrote an email to Wikipedia and the person who responded suggested I write to the discussion section of the OCD page.
Our site contains over 20 pages of information about OCD and related OC Spectrum Disorders. The site includes an OCD test, in-depth descriptions of OCD and Obsessional OCD, information on the appropriate treatment of the disorder, and a list of links to over 75 OCD-related sites across the world. In fact, many of the sites listed in the external links section of the Wikipedia OCD page link to our site, and one actually uses our OCD test.
I realize that one could say that our site is a commercial site, but so are a number of the current external links on the OCD page. While our site is for our clinic, it is also meant to be a resource for those seeking expert information on OCD and its treatment. I look forward to comments. Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.106.45.178 ( talk) 02:43, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
Most OCD sufferers are aware that such thoughts and behavior are not rational, but feel bound to comply with them to fend off fears of panic or dread.
I know that this is what is said about the condition, had their been not aware of, probably their cases will include delusions and psychosis. But, this bothers me, if they are aware that the fear, for example of contamination, is not real, why would they fear dead? If you know that this thought of contamination killing you is not real, why would you fear of dying? This is problematic, since it is true that they fear of being contaminated and dying from this, but is this claim of them knowing that it is not rational not unclear? I think the thing here is that psychiatrists have tried to differentiate OCD with psychotic disorders such as schizophrenia, and this knowledge that the belief does not make sense is important but I believe this sentence is problematic, it seems to be contradictory. Fad (ix) 02:04, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
I propose changing the page to:
or
According to the Wikipedia page on her she suffered from the bipolar disorder. Not OCD. A quick Google search brought up different sources... some saying she suffered from bipolar disorder (
1), others saying she suffered from Chronic Fatigue Syndrome. (
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This would constitute adding a remark stating that the claim is disputed. Especially because this is a historic person and there is no first-hand/contemporary diagnosis. The claim is based on historic evidence of the symptoms she showed.
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"Studies have also been done that show nutrition deficiencies may also be a probable cause for OCD and other mental disorders. Certain vitamin and mineral supplements may aid in such disorders and provide the nutrients necessary for proper mental functioning."
To be sure, nutrition is helpful.
And to make this point even more effective, there should be some evidence to back it up. Otherwise we're in the realm of ritalindeath.com. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 211.72.108.19 ( talk) 17:59, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
Ha! an encyclopedia entry on OCD being so long because so many of the people editing it HAVE OCD. Is that Irony? Actually, it's probably the opposite. Anyway, maybe the page should have a special thanks to people with OCD for making Wikipedia possible in the first place! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.19.72.173 ( talk) 05:01, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
I don't know but I've wondered for years if I do. Basically, both sides of my body have to be equal, for example, if I touch my right hand on something, I then have to touch my left hand on it in the same way, and it feels very irritating if I don't do it. Also, when I'm walking, say from room to room, I have to make an even number of steps in each room and I have to count my steps (in groups of 4) in my head while I'm walking. I'm 26 now and I've done it since I was about 13 or 14. Although at times it doesn't affect me at all. Does this sound like OCD? Sweetie Petie 23:31, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
I'm giving this a seperate section so it will hopefully stand out more.
Some good work has gone on recently (a big improvement) but we are still listing people without verifying the facts. No one should be listed as suffering from a mental illness on WP without a citation or preferably a self admission. It could be considered slanderous.
I'm going to do what I should have done a long time ago. I'm going to go through and remove references to any celebrity that doesn't have a citation. Time permitting I'm going to research them to see if I can find an admission of OCD. Claiming people have OCD without proof is a big deal. Robert Brockway 07:37, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
As an added reminder of why we need citations please see Wikipedia:Verifiability. Robert Brockway 07:42, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
This list contains people who have been added to Obsessive-compulsive disorder#Famous/celebrity OCD sufferers without a source. They can be removed from this list and placed in the article if accompanied by at least one valid source. Multiple sources are preferable, especially in ambiguous cases. Discussion on each person can be placed below their name.-- GregRM 22:55, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
See also: Talk:Obsessive-compulsive disorder#List of celebrities
User:Anthony cfc added the following text:
This sounds rather inappropriate and trollish, hence I removed it for now. Would you mind providing any sources that agree with you? -- intgr 09:50, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
Does anyone have a theory on the connection between some mythic vampire behaviors and OCD? I have OCD, and I'm also of Eastern European descent. So I'm wondering if there's a connection there. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.65.75.224 ( talk) 23:36, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
David Beckham is no longer England captain, so I shall change this appropriately.-- 86.3.172.237 14:04, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
These articles often seem to be written by people who don't actually have the disorder. Most bothersome is the lack of an understanding that our human 'models and definitions' are really just simplifications of reality; the real picture is far murkier and more complex (for example, is a transgendered person male or female?). To claim that OCD and OCPD are totally unrelated is ridiculous. I have symptoms of both; for me they are related and I'll bet for other sufferers too.
Second, the orthodox way of over-defining qualifications may lead to some to exclude themselves. Like saying that 'I'm not gay because I don't dress up in women's clothes,' misunderstanding that not all symptoms need be present for one to suffer from OCD is important. I don't check the door 20 times, I just check once or twice. I count steps, try to avoid stepping on lines on sidewalks, but I don't worry about 'balancing' the right side with the left. I might spend hours on end about one subject but not another one. I do believe there is a degree, someone might be more OCD than others. The article needs to be re-written, disposing of the ironically OCPD point of view bias (everything is black or white, right or wrong) in favor of a more nuanced view. 68.219.73.31 03:43, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
Can someone please add a source to the assertion that OCD is not curable. Personally – as someone with OCD and virtually all the symptoms listed on this page – I think OCD is a deep-set mindset brought on by social trauma, and therefore theoretically curable with the correct therapy. Nullbit 23:46, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
Although most of the statements and sources in this article seem pretty reliable, the referencing is not done properly. In particular, there are no page references. I tried looking for the original author of the article, but it appears most of the work was done by an anon IP: [4]Â :( If you have added any references to the article please go back and add in the pages. I'm going to try to get a hold of some of the references mentioned here, but if I cannot find the exact pages the sources may be thrown out because of unverifiability. A good example of a well-referenced article is this. Sofeil 09:51, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
"One serious symptom which stems from this is "counting" your steps, e.g. you must take twelve steps to the car in the morning."
This symptom does not seem to differ in severity from the other ones listed, so why is it given a special emphasis? Monkeyfinger 06:52, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
"An estimated 1 in 2 adolescents and adults are thought to have OCD." Half of people over 12 meet criteria for obsessive-compulsive disorder? Are you kidding me? I changed this to: "Community studies have placed the prevalence between 1 and 3%, although the prevalence of clinically recognized OCD is much lower, suggesting that many individuals with the disorder are unaccounted for clinically." and added a reference. 69.118.25.126 09:29, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
I noticed the tag saying references should be more specific (ie. cite pages), being as this is a psychology related article, and that it cites sources according to APA format (which doesn't use page numbers), it seems that it is unlikely or even impossible for someone to scan these references and come up with page numbers. I propose removing this tag. Thoughts? Beatdown 08:21, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
This whole section looks like reiterated info that's already in the intro.
“ | Obsessions are thoughts and ideas that the sufferer cannot stop thinking about. Common OCD obsessions include fears of acquiring disease, getting hurt, or causing harm to someone. Obsessions are typically automatic, frequent, distressing, and difficult to control or put an end to...
...untreated OCD is often regarded as one of the most vexing and frustrating of the major anxiety disorders. |
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I'm not gonna edit it just in case it's necessary in some way. But someone should look at it. The Snake 08:08, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
...they tell you what to do all the time, even the simplest of tasks, chores or activities that are either trivial or a no-brainer, but find yourself being told how to do it as if you don't know what you are doing? And in many instances telling you what and how to do something when you are just about to do it yourself? If it's not OCD it's gotta be something, because not only is it annoying and (to me) insulting, it doesn't seem to me to be natural for a person to do things like this to others. Can someone please help me out here? This sort of stuff can drive people up the wall at times! NiceDoggie 17:04, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
This page's content plus the unusually huge number of edits to it is highly amusing. Jtrainor 03:45, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
I'm new to Wikipedia editing so I don't know exactly what to do about it, but the way in which this entire section of the OCD article states conjectures about relationships between neurology and the disorder as matters of fact is not neutral or stylistically correct.
It also does not list any sources, besides for a quote. It talks about OCD and certain neurological receptors being strongly correlated, which is evidently based on scientific studies, but no source is given. Specific statments about the relationships between neuropsychiatry and OCD as proven matters of scientific fact are probably inaccurate anyway. The section should either be overhauled and cited or deleted. ( Tperson 06:38, 13 February 2007 (UTC))
Can someone please explain why an NMDA ANAGONIST may be a useful drug in treating OCD when it just said that the disorder's severity was negatively correlated with the activity of the NMDA receptor. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Joel2017 ( talk • contribs) 22:25, 4 March 2007 (UTC).
Can we please at least devote a few sentences to explaining the and emphasising the fact that OCD can exist in an almost completely invisible form in which the rituals can take the form of things such as "counter-arguments" in the person's mind to help relieve the anxiety of the obsession. For some sufferers the disease seems to consist of an unwanted "debate" that fills up most of their waking minutes, between the irrational obsessive fears and the intellectual arguments to dispel the fears (which of course only provides relief for a short time, before obsessive thoughts invade the mind again, and a defensive counterargument must be summoned again and so on). —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Joel2017 ( talk • contribs) 22:37, 4 March 2007 (UTC).
Does anyone know if there is any FIRM, SPECIFIC scietific evidence to suggest that physical exercise helps in treating OCD, as it does for other anxiety disorders and depression? One of the changes cuased by chronic ssri treatment (in rats at least) is up-regulation of 5ht2c receptors. However exercise is believed to cause downregulation of central 5ht2c receptors. Therefore is there the potential that exercise could even make OCD worse? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.234.157.64 ( talk) 15:12, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
On March 4, I edited the list of "Symptoms," and today I saw that it was removed. I have Asperger's Syndrome, to which many people believe OCD, as well as growth with parallels to gigantism, is linked, and this is a problem for me. Now I know that if I do indeed have OCD, then I don't have it as well as most such people! Gmeric13@aol.com 01:42, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
Looking at the talk page, it seems like there was a list of examples of OCD in fiction, but it has been removed. I don't see why it shouldn't be in here, as similar articles have 'in fiction' lists. However, I do feel it should be restricted to examples where the condition is explictly stated to be OCD, and not just characters showing Obsessive-Compulsive tendancies (since they're open to interpretation). Off the top of my head, I can think of
If there are no objections, I'll add this section.
-- Darksun 12:48, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
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OK, further to this there have been a couple of recent additions that are questionable.
"The con artist Roy Walker, played by Nicholas Cage in the film Matchstick Men, displays many traits of the disorder, in addition to panic disorder and agoraphobia." - is there a specific mention of OCD? As I stated earlier, the list shouldn't include people who just show 'traits'.
"There has been debate among some readers of Shakespeare on whether the character Lady MacBeth in The Tragedy of Macbeth exhibits symptoms of OCD toward the end of the play. She is tormented with guilt and anxiety about the crimes committed by her husband and herself, and is seen to be repeatedly washing her hands in order to cleanse herself of imaginary blood on them that symbolises the atrocities that she has taken part in." - is there some 3rd party work to back up this 'debate'. Seems like Original Research to me, and again falls foul of the 'showing traits' rule.
-- Darksun 12:47, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
Anyone notice this statement?
Anyone who has OCD has brown hair, anyone with blonde, red or black hair has no chance of having OCD, studies show.
I couldn't find any sources to corroborate this, and it seems rather unlikely. 24.155.108.246 11:40, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
Months ago there was an information here regarding how high testosterone levels can lead to OCD in males. I am not seeing it here now. I am a male and I believe my condition is caused by high testosterone levels. I am an obsessions-sufferer only. Never thought about compulsions. I don't have fear.. I just have thoughts that keep appearing. Most of the time I don't even think about them in concrete.. but the speed of my mind forces them to appear.
Anyone here with similar symptoms? I also suffer from anxiety.. I mean, what is anxiety after all? I am determined, I am fearless.. but this state of mind upsets me. I am extremely reflexive, obviously into philosophical meditations.
I know I am not the typical OCD sufferer. Regarding the statement above, I do think that mania, anxiety, anger and OCD can be caused by testosterone levels.
Any opinions about that? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.155.84.214 ( talk) 11:34, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
Jim Luzynski is a chronic sufferer of this disorder
What is wrong with having a list of famous sufferers. These people are all verified on their respective wikipedia pages as having the disorder, so what why did this idiot called PIrish delete my edits?
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You could always just put them back. I know some of the most famous sufferers of other major diseases are listed in other articles. --
Hourick (
talk) 14:50, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
This seams to be an ongoing problem.-- Ekologkonsult ( talk) 06:55, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
There is already a list of 'famous sufferers', in a separate Wiki 'Category' page, i.e Category: People diagnosed with Obsessive-Compulsive Disorder. I therefore don't quite understand why there should be a need to have a list in this article. Snookerrobot ( talk) 10:55, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
I think the notable cases that is now works.-- Ekologkonsult ( talk) 12:59, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
Where is this 'category' page? Shouldn't there be a link at the bottom of this page?
OckRaz ( talk) 09:20, 10 February 2009 (UTC)YES I agree! TYhere should be a list of famous OCD suffers or those thought to be Nikola tesla91856-1943) surely would be added to this list! Thanksamtu06160921stcntdateddecdeEAJ SWORDINHAND ( talk) 18:09, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
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Jim Luzynski is a chronic sufferer of this disorder —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.238.168.54 ( talk) 22:09, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
While I certainly believe that OCD is one of the top 10 most disabling illnesses, the link only goes to a page that has some professor saying that the WHO said this. I think it would be a lot better if someone could find the actual WHO publication... I looked for it and could find no such list. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.75.247.88 ( talk) 23:48, 16 March 2007 (UTC).
Well in my book "Overcoming ocd" It says that OCD was called one of the top ten disabling illnesses in the world, by the world health organisation. I saw some website listing all of them in order but I cant remember which one? lol that's not very obsessive of me, sorry! XYaAsehShalomX
Firstly, I moved this discussion section to the bottom of the page as I'm adding this comment. I really think that this comment about OCD being one of the top 10 most disabling illnesses needs to be referenced from it's original source - ie, the WHO - rather than a repeating source. Can anyone help with that? 85.210.178.198 03:31, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
The document referenced actually does NOT say what is claimed in the first paragraph. It says that "Among individuals between the ages of 15 and 44, panic disorder, drug use disorders and obsessive-compulsive disorder (OCD) were in cluded in the top 20 disorders." Also, it does not credit a particular document or person within the WHO for this claim. If you google for ("World Health Organization" "top 10" "disabling illnesses"), you'll find pages of links each referencing this Wikipedia article, which in turn references a document which makes a different claim and makes no references to back that claim. You won't find any of those Google hits pointing to an actual source document. Going to the WHO site and searching, both through the search feature, or by manual digging through the "Statistics" section finds no such claim.
This claim should be removed from this article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.207.218.130 ( talk) 23:57, 12 October 2007 (UTC) It's referenced in a book by David Veale and Robert Willson called "Overcoming obsessive compulsive disorder". Is that better?? XYaAsehShalomX ( talk)
It is the point of the reference to diabetes and asthma? These aren't mental illnesses! 124.197.15.138 ( talk) 01:44, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
I live in NZ where benzylpiperazine is legal. I tend to find that other stimulants (caffeine, nicotine etc) make my OCD worse, but BZP makes it much better. Has anyone else noticed this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:{{{1}}}|{{{1}}}]] ([[User talk:{{{1}}}|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/{{{1}}}|contribs]])
OCD is not fun at all. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.23.75.191 ( talk) 23:22, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
I suggest we add a separate section for Pure-Obsessive OCD. It is a very distinct kind and with different treatment results. I would have added it myself but don't have adequate reliable sources for the info yet. Please comment. -- Amit 20:14, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
[7] Here's one. More on the way. 86.20.26.239 18:41, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
[8] This study mentions purely obsessional OCD. Of couse the existance of all conditions has to be proven though clinical studys so i will find the appropiate resources proving that purely obsessional OCD is a real condition. 86.20.26.239 20:08, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
Hi everyone. I think I need to clarify, the above unsigned comments were not made by me. I only made two comments before on this page, both of them were signed. As for evidence, I am looking for reliable sources and will be right back with them soon. I have no conflict with anybody. -- Amit 04:08, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
I am a medical doctor and OCD can be diagnosed with obsessions alone. This is stated in the DSMV criteria. Longsocksandbooks ( talk) 08:48, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
Someone should just cite information. It is so annoying seeing a page have all of these "citation needed" things. The box at the top of the page will go away if someone just puts down sources 216.93.229.62 02:48, 8 October 2007 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.93.229.62 ( talk) 03:37, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
Could somebody sort out these references? Magazines such as New Scientist are not suitable references for research. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.125.65.112 ( talk) 10:53, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
There seems to be a vandalised paragraph: "A good example of OCD is Sharon Ludwick of Mount Holly, New Jersey..." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.74.65.25 ( talk) 23:57, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
Are external links to OCD treatment centers/programs considered linkspam? I lean towards yes, but I guess if there's valuable info at the site it may be worth inclusion. Thoughts? AlphaEta 17:28, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
And why? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.93.254.29 ( talk) 03:23, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
External links to patient support groups (especially online chat boards), blogs, and commercial (e.g., "buy our program") sites are normally not accepted on Wikipedia. Please read the external links policy and the specific rules for medical articles before adding more external links. WhatamIdoing ( talk) 00:41, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
Should nutritional therapies be included from quality articles and studies (i.e. peer reviewed, double-blind, randomized, controlled-trials)? I think, absolutely. If there is general agreement, will do... Gnif global ( talk) 12:50, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
In the following paragraph in the medication section of this article, there is an error:
Recent research has found increasing evidence that opioids may significantly reduce OCD symptoms, though the addictive property of these drugs likely stands as an obstacle to their sanctioned approval for OCD treatment. Anecdotal reports suggest that some OCD sufferers have successfully self-medicated with opioids such as Ultram and Vicodin, though the off-label use of such painkillers is not widely accepted, again because of their addictive qualities. Tramadol is an atypical opioid that may be a viable option as it has a low potential for abuse and addiction, mild side effects, and shows signs of rapid efficacy in OCD. Tramadol not only provides the anti-OCD effects of an opiate, but also inhibits the re-uptake of serotonin (in addition to norepinephrine). This may provide additional benefits, but should not be taken in combination with antidepressant medication unless under careful medical supervision due to potential serotonin syndrome.[20]
Ultram is the trade name for the medication Tramadol - they are described in this paragraph as substantially different.
-- 24.121.109.186 ( talk) 02:56, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
On the St. Johns Wort section, the references given for st. Johns wort being an effective treatment for OCD are completely bogus, if you read the actual papers that are cited through the citation, both clinical trials involve depressed patients, not OCD patients. This is misleading and the paragraph should be removed. - signed by an anon IP
This is not entirely accurate. It is effective with people suffering OCD in the similar biological pathway that improves the lifestyles of people with depression. SSRIs are given to both depressives (types of) and people with OCD. There is a clinical protocol in subscribing St Johns Wort in children and teenagers. Longsocksandbooks ( talk) 08:52, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
Try this ref: "St John's wort versus placebo in obsessive-compulsive disorder: results from a double-blind study" by Kenneth A Kobak, Leslie V H Taylor, Alexander Bystritsky, Cary J Kohlenberg, John H Greist, Phebe Tucker, Gemma Warner, Rise Futterer, Tanya Vapnik; Int Clin Psychopharmacol; Nov 2005 (Vol. 20, Issue 6, (pp 299-304) |||| —Preceding unsigned comment added by 20.133.0.13 ( talk) 13:16, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
I wanna make it clear on there should be other additions to the article: OCD is also characterized by an intense fascination or "obsession" with a thing, subject or person (i.e. stalking). There are theories on whether stalking involves one person obsessed with another person who doesn't desire to be near or associate with them, that is to obsessively follow around or harrass the other person as a possible OCD trait. To be obsessed or "fixated" over something like an attachment is a classic example of obsessive behaviors associated with OCD. + Mike D 26 ( talk) 02:47, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
A symptom of OCD according to the article:
"Chasing- Having the need to follow people who the victim is irritated by. Sometimes having warm feelings inside about this person."
By the victim, do we mean "sufferer". If so could this be made clear, and then also, the second sentence seems contradictory. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.105.223.238 ( talk) 15:36, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
Sorry, I'm new to this stuff and haven't figure out how to generate a new item so, I'll attempt to add it here. Something doesn't read right to me and I think it should read as follows:
"Although these signs are often present in OCD, a person who shows signs of infatuation or fixation with a subject/object, or displays traits such as perfectionism, does not necessarily have OCD, a specific and well-defined condition."
mike Mjpearson ( talk) 00:34, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
In case anyone is wondering, I re-added "anal-retentive character" to the introduction as an alternative explanation of various traits. I'm well aware that this isn't a DSM differential diagnosis, but the point is that people who are "OCD" in the vernacular do not necessarily have OCD or even OC personality disorder, and may simply have character traits that are best described as "anal-retentive." Cosmic Latte ( talk) 10:32, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
OK, so add a citation or don't add it. It purely doesn't belong here. For a disease that the world health organization considers the 10th most debilitating on the planet, you would think that this kind of vandalism would be stopped. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.162.85.84 ( talk) 18:07, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
Do you have any clue whatsoever about this illness? People often don't discover this for some time after having all kinds of fears and doubts about what might be "wrong" with them. Wiki being as popular as it is; should bend over backwards to include valid, reliable information. Quoting Freud (who is largely considered to be a pioneer but with ideas that today are considered outdated and antiquated and not to mention highly inaccurate today) is hardly valid. Do you know the suicide statistics of this illness? How would you feel if you were diagnosed with OCD or were trying to find out more information about it based on suspicions you might have OCD only to come across this page which tells them they might in fact just be "anal retentive". While I may be a complete novice to wiki; I am far from a novice when it comes to OCD having suffered with it all my life. Perhaps I should ask my Psychiatrist to come edit this crap out and I bet you still come up with a way to add it back in and disagree with the modern Psychiatric field. What gives though really? It doesn't belong. Get over it and try to realize who your audience is on this page and provide them with valid information and not some obscure Freud reference. I've looked on many professional web sites with information regarding OCD and not one of them mention that these sufferers are "anal retentive". You quite possibly could cause emotional distress or more to an individual reading this and to be perfectly honest you seem quite "anal" yourself. This needs disputing and arbitration as far as I am concerned and is just another wonderful example of how Wiki needs to get better control over things.
The "anal-retentive" thing keeps bothering me... not because it's mentioned, but because it's mentioned in the opening summary-paragraph of the article, clearly implying that its characteristics are universally applicable, or at least recognizable, in cases of OCD. That is, although those "some symptoms" may not be at all present in an OCD sufferer, the opening paragraph clearly suggests that when OCD (or OCPD) is present, some of its symptoms-- which symptoms, I might add, are neither enumerated, distinguished, nor referenced here-- will certainly resemble "anal-retentiveness".
The whole anal-retentive thing seems too beholden to pop-culture considerations; its inclusion here is simple, vague, and unreferenced. It's not enough to claim that "it began with Freud" without any further qualification. If it began with Freud, where? Quote something. Reference something. Describe something. Be specific. What is "anal retentive" personality, what are its characteristics, and how are these confused with obsessive-compulsive disorder, and when are they not? Before a connection between OCD and "anal retentive" is worthy of being mentioned in the opening paragraph here as a primary distinguishing characteristic of OCD, I think such a connection deserves more sophisticated treatment and analysis in a body-article section. Until that section is properly written, detailed, and referenced, I simply can't see the justification for its inclusion in the opening paragraph. aruffo ( talk) 19:53, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
I'm certainly not an expert on ocd but the definition of a compulsion, given in the main article, is slightly at odds with what I've read elsewhere (sorry can't remember the references). In the main article, a compulsion is defined as the act (mental or physical) that is carried out in response to the anxiety produced by the obsession, usually to 'neutralise' that anxiety. According to what I have read elsewhere, however, a compulsion is not really the act itself but the mental urge to carry out the act. So the compulsion, like the obsession, is also a mental 'event'. According to this point of view, an obsession is a mental event in the form of an intruding thought such as: "My hands might be covered in germs" (generating anxiety). The compulsion would then be another mental event i.e. a thought in the form of a 'mental urge': "Therefore I MUST wash my hands." The act is then carried out (the direct product of the compulsion) and the anxiety temporarily relieved. This point of view also allows for the existence of 'pure C' as well as 'pure O'. An example would be people who compulsively arrange things in a certain way or in a symmetrical pattern. These people simply have a mental compulsion to order and arrange, but there is frequently no identifiable 'obsession' as such. I have no idea which point of view is correct, but I am simply raising the question as to whether the definition of 'compulsion' that has been given is scientifically accurate. Can any knowledgeable expert advise? Snookerrobot ( talk) 14:50, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
I think Wikipedias Article about Alzheimer is pretty good, and it has been featured. This article has a paragraph about known individual affected by Alzheimer, so deleting it from this page with the argument that this is about the disease , not a celebrity article makes no sense. In fact, giving people real examples adds value to an article about, what for many readers is a fairly unknown disease. I would like to have more discussion about this before its deleted again. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ekologkonsult ( talk • contribs) 07:04, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
To start with I suggest that you drop your angry tone and calm down, there is no need to get speedy by a disagreement. As you may know both the featured article about Alzheimer, and the featured Article about Downs Syndrom include notable cases. Why do you think this article merits the same. Do you have anything against people with OCD, and do not want to have people with OCD feeling that there are more people like them. That is many times the purpose of such information. To make people realize that there are many people with the condition.
I think this articles should have this information first and foremost because most people looking for information about OCD on the net, are people who either have OCD themself or have near ones affected by OCD. Yes you might also find academics searching information, but Wikipedia is something else than just a pharmaceuptic dictionary. Please feel free to call on a moderator.-- Ekologkonsult ( talk) 08:35, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
Where do you draw the line between notable cases, and celebrities. Reagans Alzheimer is seen as notable, but this was because he was an ex-president. Beckham is the most influential person in the Uk according to the Observer. He has talked openly about his struggle with OCD in the media. Your friends that are affected are of course just as important, but they do not have the same familiarity to most people. Ths is not celebrity gossip. Someone speeking open about their struggle is not gossip. Just because they are known, does not make them less human.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-381802/The-obsessive-disorder-haunts-life.html
Do you really believe your friends with OCD get humiliated by information that Beckham has OCD. I know that the very close friends with OCD I know like that people get information about that anyone can have OCD, without it being seen form the outside. Isn´t it so that it bothers you because your friends cases are close to you, but Beckhams is not. I do agree that it should be switched to notable cases, and not famous.-- Ekologkonsult ( talk) 14:34, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
Unless someone can give a good reason not to do so, I intend to add Howie Mandel. He's about as well known for his OCD now as for anything else. Marc Summers is a possibility too- although he is less notable. I'm putting this on the talk page prior to making changes to see if consensus can be reached first. I believe that there may also be reason to include Martin Luther. OckRaz ( talk) 09:47, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
Aruffo, how about a compromise. I can see your point that a list of people can give a gossipy impression. I have taken away all examples except BEckham, and even added another source to this. Is this compromise better?-- Ekologkonsult ( talk) 14:41, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
Did not know that, but I see that it is mentioned a lot on the Wikipedia article regarding him. It should bee with, you´re right.-- Ekologkonsult ( talk) 19:30, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
As a minor sufferer of OCD (I fiddle with my fingers lots in completive ways, and have to complete certain rituals with my feet in rhythmic patterns), I feel that it has contributed in certain ways in understanding rhythm and melody (creating a musical anomaly then solving it with a climax), and often considered it something that inspires me. A brief google shows many articles on the internet on OCD and music suggesting a link between musical genius and OCD. I'm no musical genius - I wasted it drinking too much booze, but I see my ticks as related to the way I resolve my musical opening bars with the closing bars. In fact, I can see how it can make you artistic in many disciplines. I spent a lot of times experimenting with odd time-signatures. My finger twitching seems to always end with a final resolution, which is difficult to describe, but is always even. My right hand compliments the left, but after an odd and quite creative sequence, with the right performing three to the left doing two, to the right doing one, the the left two. etc.. etc..
There's nothing here in how OCD may affect art. One says that "insanity is to art what garlic is to salad". Perhaps a section should be added? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.145.224.22 ( talk) 23:12, 20 September 2008 (UTC)
I suggest that an administrator semi-protects the article Obsessive-compulsive disorder due to the longlasting continous vandalism to the page by ip-users which is obvious from a quick look at this article's edit-history. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ekologkonsult ( talk • contribs)
a patient should be concerned that intrusive thoughts are dangerous if the person doesn't feel upset by the thoughts, rather finds them pleasurable; has ever acted on violent or sexual thoughts or urges;
If read literally, this means that intrusive thougths are dangerous for all normal adults. That is -- assuming they "have ever acted on sexual thoughts or urges". Which most people do regularily....
Rephrase ?
-- Eivind Kjørstad ( talk) 08:32, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
I added an infobox with the ICD-10 link, feel free to update the rest of the fields :) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sradevic ( talk • contribs) 11:09, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
Examples of manifestation seem to be conspicuously absent. Perhaps a section. Just a thought thought thought.-- Anna Frodesiak ( talk) 05:21, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
One example in the computer age might be the compulsion to click 'refresh' again and again, as though to clean the screen. (In China, half of all computer users seem to suffer from this urge.) -- Anna Frodesiak ( talk) 05:23, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
Hi- I just added this section because the other's on this topic were getting cluttered. First, how does one find the category list mentioned above and can a link be included on the main entry page. Secondly, I propose adding: Howie Mandel, Marc Summers, and Martin Luther. OckRaz ( talk) 09:51, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
To Martinevans123:
To Aruffo:
From the opening sentence of the article, "Obsessive-compulsive disorder (OCD) is a mental disorder most commonly characterized by intrusive, repetitive thoughts resulting in compulsive behaviors and mental acts that the person feels driven to perform, according to rules that must be applied rigidly, aimed at preventing some imagined dreaded event; however, these behaviors or mental acts are not connected to the imagined dreaded event," the clause, "aimed at preventing some imagined dreaded event", strikes me as odd if not inaccurate.
I don't want to delete it right off the bat, but are there any references for it? From my own understanding, a sufferer of OCD simply acts compulsively because he or she "has to", not because of some goal or "dreaded event". Does anyone care to comment? Damienivan ( talk) 18:15, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
Hi all,
Came across this OCD wiki page, and reorganized a bit dividing it into OCD with and without overt compulsions.
This is generally the distinction used in scientific literature, which I try to contribute to in my professional life, and I think it will solve a lot of the discussion about the whole "pure-O" thing (a laymen's term), as well enhancing the organization of the paper.
Keep in mind, the diagnosis of OCD does not necessarily include overt compulsions, and OCD without overt compulsions is a major subtype of OCD in the clinical literature (as is OCD with overt compulsions)
The OCD with overt compulsions section would benefit from more info on checking compulsions, which is another major subtype next to washing.
Hi Looie,
Well, it's mostly a laymen's term. Not one I particularly like, but it's in use nonetheless (i.e. http://www.ocduk.org/1/pureo.htm). Not sure whether internet links should be sources. I'm not that familair with Wiki and leave that up to everyone's good judgement here. Thanks for the signing tip. 66.131.205.60 ( talk) 04:03, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
Added in a better reference regarding the distinction between OCD with and and without overt compulsions, and made a few corrections. Regarding the mentioning of pure-O, I think it's justified merely by the frequent use of the term by sufferers and laymen, and as long as it is pointed out out that it's not a generally accepted term in the clinical literature (which would be OCD without overt compulsions). The subtype of is also sometimes referred to as "obsessional ruminators" in the clinical literature. 66.131.205.60 ( talk) 18:10, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
Wondering if OCD suffers9as am I!) are more prone to addictions?Thanks! Andreisme ( talk) 19:10, 7 April 2009 (UTC)Edsonamtu04070921stcentdecded.
The result of the proposal was support for move.-- Fuhghettaboutit ( talk) 01:48, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
According to MOS:ENDASH, the title of this article should be "Obsessive–compulsive disorder" (with an en dash), not "Obsessive-compulsive disorder" (with a hyphen). I noticed this problem when reading the following recent review, which used the en dash:
I propose to switch to using the en dash uniformly in this article, as per MOS and per usage in high-quality publications. Eubulides ( talk) 08:00, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
I disagree with the results of this move request. Per WP:COMMONNAME, this article should be at Obsessive-compulsive disorder, as that is the form of dash that is used in most sources. – Pee Jay 09:40, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
I added a separate small paragraph explaining that not all OCD patients understand their thoughts are not reality. This article works on the idea that ocd patients realize that their thoughts are irrational. This is not always the case, though when one can realize this they are starting the healing proscess. I am an OCD sufferer, and am not posting this point off of personal opinion, but the reality that the disorder confuses reality with the mysteries of intrusive thinking. One so involved in the thoughts can not see that they are just chemical disfunctions, and tend to think they are a horrible person. If anyone wants to contest this, they can feel free to fight this fact. (added by 70.43.117.162 ( talk · contribs)).
It's a fairly complicated isse brought up here. The phrase "recognise that their thoughts are thoughts - and not reality" refers to the ego-dystonic nature of obsessions in OCD. That is, the person with OCD generally recognizes that their thoughts are senseless, irrational and excessive. The obsessions are usually alien to the self. This is not always the case, however. As pointed out, in the middle of an obsessional episode, obsessions may not be experienced as ego-dystonic as outside of it, and there may be some blurring between reality and the obsession. Generally, in the scientific literature, if the senseless of the obsession is not recognized, then it would be referred as OCD with overvalued ideation or as an ego-syntonic obsession. The concept is closely related to insight as well in the professional literature, and touches on delusional disorder as well in that an entirely ego-syntonic obsessions is difficult to differentiate from a delusion. So overall, an addition of this sort would be justified, albeit fairly complicated to get into, and it would require a quite a bit of literature and background. 66.131.205.60 ( talk) 04:54, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
Perhaps I should have brought this here before removing it, but I've removed this ( Caffeine anaphylaxis-stage II: obsessive–compulsive disorder, Townsend Letter for Doctors and Patients, April, 2004, by Ruth Whalen) source and the accompanying statement that caffeine causes OCD symptoms. The source itself is a letter to the editor. The letter was published (in the letters to the editor section) in the Townsend Letter for Doctors and Patients. I know little about this publication, but their byline appears to be "Examines medical alternatives from multiple traditions and disciplines."
The title of the article is "Caffeine anaphylaxis-stage II: obsessive-compulsive disorder - Letters to the Editor - Letter to the Editor". I have serious doubts as to whether or not this is a theory supported by research. I've found nothing from a peer reviewed journal, or even the popular press, that links caffeine anaphylaxis to OCD. Caffeine anaphylaxis is rare and, like most anaphylaxis, accute (Allergy. 2003 Jul;58(7):681-2.). While I don't doubt, in fact, I suspect there are studies that suggest a link between caffeine and OCD, this particular one does not meet WP:RS. Shadowjams ( talk) 19:37, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
Is it a sly Wikipedia editor's joke that "Obsessive-compulsive disorder" is a redirect to "Obsessive—compulsive disorder"? Tempshill ( talk) 05:12, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
Please would someone correct the spelling of the header for the article? Thank you. 81.99.108.57 ( talk) 16:29, 4 December 2010 (UTC)
The Purely Obsessional OCD Article should be a considered for merging with the OCD article most academic sources don't differentiate Pure-O from O.C.D. they just refer to the sufferer as "Purely Obsesional person" or call it OCD without overt compulsions. See "The OCD workbook" By Bruce M. Hyman, Cherry Pedrick & "Coping with OCD" By Bruce M. Hyman, Troy DuFrene, Page 60. This is also present here Obsessive-compulsive disorders By Fred Penzel 2000-- 87.202.88.193 ( talk) 23:46, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
I am not an expert in this area, but it appears to me that as both OCD and OCPD have WP articles, it is helpful to add the hatnotes to clarify this and lead from each to the other. PamD ( talk) 07:31, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
"Obsessive-compulsive disorder affects roughly six million Americans." How about the other people around the world?-- 88.229.255.129 ( talk) 17:15, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
Looks like Essjay all over again: people playing with the facts to try to do some good that they feel can't be done any other way. According to college textbooks, there are clear lines between extremism and obsessive compulsive disorder. I can't properly say this article is altogether credible. Tcaudilllg ( talk) 20:05, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
are they all really necessary? I understand the links to Intrusive thoughts and Neuropsychiatry, but the Biology of OCD, the Current diagnostic criteria for OCD and the Treatment of OCD are all subjects pertaining specifically to OCD, so why create additional pages for them? Wouldn't we just be reexplaining ourselves? MichaelExe ( talk) 15:12, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
Do you think it would be wise to "protect" the article to prevent
trolls and
cyber-bullies alike from tampering with it? Per instance, there's a man over in
Norway that's constantly being harassed by a group of Canadians who made off with 4 kittens in
2007, saying he has the disorder, when by specification alone he does not.
Protection of the article may work, if any
vandalism attempt should be stopped.
--
205.214.245.39 (
talk) 16:19, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
I've tried to make Compulsive behavior look halfway decent, but in all honesty, this unsourced stub says nothing that isn't or can't be covered in here. I wouldn't delete this spinoff by any means, because it's a plausible search term, and because, I suppose, it's possible that someone, someday could write an article about non-obsessive or non-clinical compulsions. But until that day comes, or at least until this article becomes more presentable and better-sourced, I don't see how the Compulsive behavior article really adds or encourages any material that isn't or shouldn't be in the OCD article. In fact, as it stands, the CB article looks like little more than a dictionary definition, and so belongs over yonder. So, does anybody else think that the CB page should be redirected to the OCD one? Cosmic Latte ( talk) 13:40, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
Heard (didnt see in article) That bacterial infections in childhood or in Adults affecting the brain. Could induce OCD.Is this so? TheStrikingsword ( talk) 09:48, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
I added only stepping on sertain color tiles to the list of compulsions because I, as a sufferer of OCD have experienced and discussed with a few of my friends who also soposedly have it. I also talked about it with a psychiatrist who said that it was not uncommon. I just hope that this edit is considered verifiable and not concidered original research. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.226.111.151 ( talk) 23:08, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
This article needs some information about social or family influences in the development of the disease. Theres is a lot of research about it. 186.80.153.41 ( talk) 04:54, 14 January 2010 (UTC)Castel
The WHO map right there at section one isn't really explained. I would assume the red areas are the bad ones, but that requires an assumption unwarranted by the evidence. Does clicking on the map cause it to be explained? (I've not clicked on it myself) Unless I am missing something (say, perhaps somewhere in the article itself the map is referred to and explained), I suggest that perhaps something could be added to the caption explaining what the colors represent. -- Neptunerover ( talk) 06:13, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
It appears some overeager editor was spamming anxiety-disorder articles to promote the TV show, which of course was automatically reacted to (and removed) as vandalism. If this is actually a genuine nonfiction documentary-type series about OCD and its relatives, airing on a legitimate cable station, I would concur that it deserves the same level of attention here as does Monk. aruffo ( talk) 21:52, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
I agree with CosmicLatte that the Jack Nicholson edit was in good faith. The editor was probably not aware of the previous conversation about that particular section of the article becoming a dumping ground for every example that anyone could list of celebrities who exhibited OCD tendencies in some manner (real or fictional). The article linked to made a specific point about movies' influence on society, and this point, rather than the trivial fact that an actor portrayed a person, is relevant to this article. aruffo ( talk) 11:31, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
The American Psychiatric Association has not released its Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders into public domain, but claims copyright. The Wikimedia Foundation has received a letter of complaint ( Ticket:2010030910040817, for those with access) about the use of their diagnostic criteria in this and a number of other articles. Currently, this content is blanked pending investigation, which will last approximately one week. Please feel free to provide input at the copyright problems board listing during that time. Individuals with access to the books would be particularly welcome in helping to conduct the investigation. Assistance developing a plan to prevent misuse of the APA's material on Wikipedia projects would also be welcome. Thank you. Moonriddengirl (talk) 13:58, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
What does "preocupation with religious impulses etc." mean? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.123.44.210 ( talk) 08:23, 21 March 2010 (UTC)
..There was a segment on the page titled "Law" which mentioned some jurisdictions passing legislation infringing on the civil freedoms of those suffering with OCD but with a "citation needed" posted afterward..living in a rural region & having dealt with both covert & overt discrimination of my OCD it would be nice to know some legitimate sources of legal information to this effect which could make life here easier for me here as there is virtually no advocacy available to me in this cultural wasteland where I am by circumstances forced to live now..thank you for any help anyone can render.. 64.85.223.59 ( talk) 00:58, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
Reply to 64.85.223.59. You do not say which country you are in.
The United Kingdom now has The Equality Act 2010 which supercedes several other acts including the Disability Discrimination Act 1995.
The Equalities And Human Rights Commission provides mediation in the UK.
http://www.equalityhumanrights.com
More information is also provided by
If you live elsewhere, do an internet search on "Human Rights" and "Disability Legislation" and "Disability Discrimination", and you should be able to find references to appropriate legislation in your own country to provide you with the protection from discrimination which you need.
Also check the United Nations website for The Universal Declaration of Human Rights and other legislation and documents provided by that organization related to disabled people.
http://www.un.org/cyberschoolbus/humanrights/resources/universal.asp
See also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convention_on_the_Rights_of_Persons_with_Disabilities
There is also a lot more info here on Wikipedia about the rights of disabled people which I think will provide you with the necessary links. I am sorry I cannot provide you with more LINKS at this time as I have saved lots of PAGES on discrimination rather than LINKS so that I can read them when I do not have an internet connection. 81.99.108.57 ( talk) 16:50, 4 December 2010 (UTC)
It is confusing to switch terms from one sentence to the next. Pick one term and stick to it. If "anxiety disorder" is the more accurate term, then use it. I understand that the current use of "anxiety" in the first sentence makes it awkward to use the term "anxiety disorder" there but I don't think the solution is to introduce the term in the second sentence. Address the repetitive use of the word "anxiety" in the first sentence by either breaking that sentence into two sentences or replacing the other uses with something else.This is writing problem that needs to be addressed and edit warring and stubbornly sticking with what's there is not going to fix it. I'd rather see the awkward repetition rather than the confusing use of terminology:
Joja lozzo 16:33, 20 June 2010 (UTC)
The neurotransmitter section is littered by the subject of dopamine addiction which is forcibly linked to OCD by a questionable theory which hasn't been validated by relevant citations. The suggestion is that people with OCD repeatedly think of rewarding thoughts to satisfy dopamine addiction, which supposedly explains the heightened levels of dopamine in the brains of OCD patients. This is ludicrous because normally people with OCD who have reoccurring thoughts have negative thoughts, not rewarding ones. After the termination of obsessive thoughts perhaps there is a heightened level of dopamine which brings a patient a sense of relief, but it seems very unlikely that the obsessive thoughts themselves raise dopamine levels. The entire part that focuses on dopamine and the pathology of dopamine addiction needs to be deleted. 98.201.105.130 ( talk) 23:38, 21 June 2010 (UTC)
Wiki Guidelines state links should be added if they are"accessible to the reader", if site content is proper, and if the link is likely to remain functional. Not a long list here, only 2 links
The following links should be added:
Beehivenoqueen ( talk) 02:29, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
It has been proposed at Wikipedia talk:Invitation to edit that, because of the relatively high number of IP editors attracted to Obsessive compulsive disorder, it form part of a one month trial of a strategy aimed at improving the quality of new editors' contributions to health-related articles. It would involve placing this:
You can edit this page. Click here to find out how.
at the top of the article, linking to this mini-tutorial about MEDRS sourcing, citing and content, as well as basic procedures, and links to help pages. Your comments regarding the strategy are invited at the project talk page, and comments here, regarding the appropriateness of trialling it on this article, would be appreciated. Anthony ( talk) 11:53, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
I just came across the oddest entry at a disambiguation page, CDO, linking to the present article with the description "the alphabetically sorted version of Obsessive-compulsive disorder, a psychological disorder". Is this a joke? __ meco ( talk) 16:49, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
In your article, it states that one of the addictive behaviors that is often associated with obsessive compulsive disorder is overeating. Could the opposite, aneorexia, also be a side effect. My cousin has ocd and had a near-fatal bought with aneorexia, and was started supposedly because she heard people talking about her weight, causing her to obsess about her own weight. Is this also a common and likely connection? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ryantheincredible ( talk • contribs) 01:29, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
I was able to edit this page back in October and now I can't edit it now. What can I do to be able to edit this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Curten jb ( talk • contribs) 18:04, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
{{ edit semi-protected}} Under External Links, would you please add the IOCDF, Internation Obsessive Compulsive Disorder Foundation.
It is a very important place for people dealing with OCD, themselves or in their family, to go to for acurate, up to date information and is run by the TOP EXPERTS on OCD in not only this country but the WORLD.
68.37.132.124 (
talk) 20:38, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
I really do not like that hand-washing is being used as the main picture. Having dealt with many severe sufferers of OCD (such as myself) who did not exhibit any tendency towards obsessive hand-washing, I feel like this constitutes a stereotype and I really do not like it. P2.71828182 ( talk) 22:31, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
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Doc James (
talk ·
contribs ·
email) 04:22, 6 March 2011 (UTC)As for an alternative image, other articles have used a brain scan highlighting the regions involved in OCD organising precision cleaning trichotillomania checking hoarding symbolic representation. Would any of these be more appropriate? -- Anthonyhcole ( talk) 05:06, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
Seeing that the cause is unknown a brain scan says little about this topic. I have provided evidence of how common this symptom / sign is. Can you present evidence that it is a harmful sterotype? Remember Wikipedia is trying to be evidence based. Doc James ( talk · contribs · email) 04:49, 7 March 2011 (UTC)
hello... I have ocd and i find this stereotype to be quite offensive... being a programmer i have the means and know how to wage war upon this page and remove that picture.... if it is replaced... it will be taken down... this is the end of all argument to this picture. —Preceding
unsigned comment added by
75.107.54.227 (
talk) 00:18, 24 March 2011 (UTC)
P2.71828182, it is a bad way to represent OCD; plus, it could and does offend many people with OCD. Rsercher ( talk) 21:40, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
Like some commentators on this page, I've been diagnosed with OCD. Like some commentators, I'm also familiar with the research litature. I don't see anything offensive or inaccurate about the hand-washing picture. But that, in my estimation, is the problem. The picture is not offensive enough, and at the same time it's just too accurate:
I don't claim to have the slightest clue what an ideal picture for the introduction to this article would look like; rather, I maintain that it has yet to be discovered or suggested, and I encourage further exploration in a continued (if confusing) quest to find an image which may compensate for any superfcial irreverence or imprecision by embodying a deeper logic and more sensitive aesthetics than those apparent in the current choice.
With a new image of this sort the lead should spare the reader from the smallest hermeneutic circle and from the slightest semiotic scramble.
Cosmic Latte (
talk) 23:56, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
Meanwhile, someone who has no obsession about their hands is counting peas on their plate and hording until they have head high stacks falling on them and fires breaking out. Why? Because those with this condition or those who live with them looking for information about them, but all they see is a hand washer. Stereotyping is not helpful. I agree with those who say it is harmful, but it is also deceptive. It is not the only or even the most likely symptom. SEE:
http://understanding_ocd.tripod.com/ocd_symptoms.html Why do you need an image at all?
JohnLloydScharf (
talk) 07:16, 21 August 2011 (UTC)
someone deleted the psychology section?? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.7.103.230 ( talk) 19:35, 31 July 2011 (UTC)
Since OCD suffers are "addicted" to their comulsions. Does this lead many to addiction? (drugs etc?) Also, since there is temporary loss of memory often associated with OCD . May be this a factor in predicting future alAHEIMERÂ ? SOCALKIDME ( talk) 19:03, 17 August 2011 (UTC)
The external links section should include a link to OCD Chicago. It is one of the biggest resources on the web for information on the subject of OCD.
The link is: http://www.ocdchicago.org/
Dougbertram ( talk) 16:18, 20 October 2011 (UTC)
The reference to Melvin Udall in As Good as it Gets having OCD is not entirely accurate (despite a line in the movie mentioning OCD), and I think that providing an inaccurate example will leave readers with a false impression of the disorder. Udall more likely suffered from OCPD than OCD, most notably because of the egosyntonic nature of his symptoms. He never seemed to have a problem with his behavior, whereas someone with OCD would suffer distress from their obsessions or rituals. In contrast, he alienated many people around him with his intolerance and rigidity, which are more characteristic of OCPD. I think that the reference should stay in the article but be modified to mention the OCPD diagnosis, in order to most effectively combat the misinformation within the movie. EriktheRed53 ( talk) 05:25, 15 November 2011 (UTC)
"The phrase obsessive–compulsive has become part of the English lexicon, and is often used in an informal or caricatured manner to describe someone who is excessively meticulous, perfectionistic, absorbed, or otherwise fixated.[4] The term obsession came from the latin terms “obsessio†and “posessio†were commonly used during warfare. “Obsessio†means that a group of soldiers have the desire to take over a town or city. When the soldiers successfully took over the city, they cheered “Posessio.†This metaphor was often related to the devil taking over one’s soul. The difference is possessive people’s minds were completely taken over. Obsessive people knew their minds were being controlled, but did not know how to stop the images in their heads. “Obsession is a well- known category involving doing or thinking one thing too much, being aware of that activity, but being unable to stop it." [1]These signs are present in OCD, a person who exhibits them does not necessarily have OCD, and may instead have obsessive–compulsive personality disorder (OCPD), an autism spectrum disorder, or no clinical condition"
Here, the main problem has been put in bold. This is both unmentioned in the OCPD article as well as being an unfounded and unsupported statement. Either back it up with a suitable citation and add it to the OCPD article as well, or remove the claim entirely. -- 83.183.127.178 ( talk) 21:11, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
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There is an important need to add two symptoms to the OCD symptoms list: a "feeling of being poisoned by chemicals" and a "feeling of being threatened by electromagnetic radiation".
Reference: "The Brain That Changes Itself" by Dr. Norman Doidge, page 166.
Foxbat21 (
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There is an important need to replace the ERP treatment (described as the most effective treatment) with the even more effective four step treatment by Dr. Jeffery Schwartz described in his book "Brain Lock". Foxbat21 ( talk) 05:34, 24 November 2011 (UTC)
I have just had a look at your page about recovery from ocd - saying periods of ocd abating is uncommon !! there are people like my self who have recovered from the illness. I feel that this is not being highlighted in this article people do recover from this illness. I think you should have look at stats on recovery. thanks... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.24.174.248 ( talk) 19:45, 4 February 2012 (UTC)
Let me find these for u thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.28.144.55 ( talk) 15:55, 3 March 2012 (UTC)
I suggest that the following information should be included as relevant to the entry on OCD: PANS is an acronym for Pediatric Acute-Onset Neuropsychiatric Syndrome. This diagnosis is used to describe children who have "abrupt, dramatic onset of obsessive-compulsive disorder (OCD) or severely restricted food intake" coincident with the presence of two or more neuropsychiatric symptoms. [2] Werelived ( talk) 01:49, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
I notice the external links section is extremely concise, for obvious reasons. So I'll just ask: any support for adding this online NFB documentary as an external link? thanks, Shawn in Montreal ( talk) 22:01, 1 March 2012 (UTC)
I just read this article to see if their were other names for OCD, but the sexual obsession paragraph (second paragraph under “Obsessionsâ€), was rather unnecessary.
I am aware that some people with OCD experience sexual, intrusive thoughts, those are some that I get, as well), but it's not an obsession; when I listen to my OCD, I am making a concious decission to do so, in hope that it will stop the anxiety. My intrusive thoughts, however, are something I can never control. I try as hard as I can to get them out of my mind, but I don't have control over it. It's not something I can say “no†to like my OCD (you can say no, it's just extremely difficult), it's as if someone else is controlling my mind.
As to the comment of obsessing over what ones sexual orientation is, many people do, not just the ones with OCD.
But what really bothers me about these comments on “sexual obsession†is that, it is all intrusive thoughts. All though I am very aware intrusive thoughts occurs in many OCD patients, intrusive thoughts aren't always sexual.
My OCD gives me many intrusive thoughts; whenever I see someone, a derogatory term based on their ethnicity comes to my mind. I'm not racist; I can't control it. Intrusive thoughts can include thoughts of murder. I know people who keep imagining their loved ones dying, some even imagining that they are actually killing their loved ones. It's not them, it's their intrusive thoughts, brought on by their OCD.
Excuse my rant, but the point I am trying to make with it is that, all though it makes sense to mention these sexual thoughts, it should be specified that some people with OCD have intrusive thoughts, which I assume would have its own page, which then specifies the different types of thoughts. If it's really necessary, then, when mentioining intrusive thoughts, put down “sexual, violent, etc.†or something like that. 98.217.230.157 ( talk) 20:26, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
As a person who has been diagnosed with obsessive-compulsive disorder, I would like to respectfully object to the hand-washing photo used at the top of this article. Its prominence and placement appears to me to be perpetuating a stereotype of OCD, namely the stereotype that we're all compulsive hand-washers. Because of this, and also because of how it so narrowly represents merely one manifestation of the disorder, I'd like to suggest that the photo be either removed or replaced. Any thoughts? Chenmaoen ( talk) 02:55, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
I don't think the picture nor the article implies that OCD sufferers are "all compulsive hand-washers". It's just a common symptom, as the caption says. To pick a few other mental health articles at random, not everyone with autism repetitively stacks objects, not all schizophrenics spout incoherent word salad, and not everyone with Aspergers displays abnormally focused interests. It's just difficult to illustrate every possible permutation of a disorder within a single image. Do you have any suggestions as to what should replace the hand-washing photo? DoctorKubla ( talk) 06:10, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
The photo is offensive and less than helpful. Prove it's a common symptom. It's a common stereotype because of misinformation. It should be changed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.242.102.226 ( talk) 02:21, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
this is a better picture: http://www.ocdawarenessweek.org/sites/default/files/field/image/ocd.jpg — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.242.102.226 ( talk) 02:27, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
Well, the reference given in the article says "The most common obsession is fear of contamination and results in compulsive hand-washing". The picture you're offering seems a bit too abstract to be useful or appropriate for an encyclopedia. (As for its legal status, you could try contacting OCD-UK. If they own the copyright, I'm sure they'd be happy for us to use the image.) DoctorKubla ( talk) 07:48, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
Perhaps the OCD ribbon could be used. Whether as the main pucture or just anotherpicturebin the article, it's pretty significant. 98.217.230.157 ( talk) 23:13, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
I really think that this article is too short. It doesn't give much information about OCD, just how to supposedly "cure" it. What I mean to say is that it needs more info. Colabcalub ( talk) 01:12, 5 June 2012 (UTC)
Is treatment available for this? 216.67.115.204 ( talk) 11:42, 4 July 2012 (UTC)
Clomipramine injections as cited here: http://archpsyc.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=204286
Mind you the methodology is changing as it is still under testing and refinement. I will be receiving treatment via "home-infusions" soon. It is currently not FDA approved.
- Thank you.
Williash03 ( talk) 00:30, 7 July 2012 (UTC)
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Add Clomipramine infusions under treatments ("Introduction of a solution into the body through a vein for therapeutic purposes." - http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/infusion). Clomipramine injections as cited here: http://archpsyc.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=204286 Mind you the methodology is changing as it is still under testing and refinement. I will be receiving treatment via "home-infusions" soon. It is currently not FDA approved. - Thank you.
Williash03 ( talk) 02:34, 7 July 2012 (UTC)
The sentences are: "OCD is the fourth most common mental disorder, and is diagnosed nearly as often as asthma and diabetes mellitus.[1] In the United States, one in 50 adults suffers from OCD.[2]"
The first sentence is blatantly false. OCD has a lifetime prevalence of about 2-3% ( http://archpsyc.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=494440), which is less than almost all anxiety disorders and certainly far from being the 4th most prevalent mental disorder ( http://archpsyc.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=208678). The second sentence is thus also false, and misleading since it sounds like point prevalence, although this would also be false. I don't have the knowledge to make these changes properly with citations in wikipedia, but someone please do so! OCD is closer to being the 20th most prevalent mental disorder. The epidemiology section seems to be more accurate. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.67.91.35 ( talk) 18:41, 10 July 2012 (UTC)
The atypical antipsychotics olanzapine, quetiapine, and risperidone have also been found to be useful as adjuncts to an SSRI in treatment-resistant OCD. However, these drugs are often poorly tolerated, and have significant metabolic side effects that limit their use. None of the atypical antipsychotics have demonstrated efficacy as a monotherapy.[55]
Edit: The atypical antipsychotics olanzapine, quetiapine, risperidone and ariprazole have also been found to be useful as adjuncts to an SSRI in treatment-resistant OCD. However, these drugs are often poorly tolerated, and some have significant metabolic side effects that limit their use. None of the atypical antipsychotics have demonstrated efficacy as a monotherapy.[55]
The atypical anti psychotic aripiprazole (Abilify) has a different mechanism of action than the other antipsychotics. It has been shown to be antiobsessive as compared to the other atypical antipsychotics. The atypical anti psychotics each have a different side-effect profile.
Reference: Psychol Med. 2011 Nov;41(11):2361-73. Epub 2011 Apr 5. Antiserotonergic antipsychotics are associated with obsessive-compulsive symptoms in schizophrenia. Schirmbeck F, Esslinger C, Rausch F, Englisch S, Meyer-Lindenberg A, Zink M. Source Central Institute of Mental Health, Department of Psychiatry and Psychotherapy, Mannheim, Germany.
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Please include http://www.beyondocd.org to to included in the external links section because the non-profit organization is a valuable resource for people wanting to know more about Obsessive Compulsive Disorder and people suffering from the disorder.
Mfoy1234 ( talk) 17:41, 30 August 2012 (UTC)
Aurochs,
http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Obsessive%E2%80%93compulsive_disorder&diff=513313575&oldid=512939858
What's the background on this edit, and the basis for describing as "fringe"?
If it's a treatment that has had clinical discussion, even if unproven or discredited, I guess it should be mentioned anyway, the balanced view should be included with cited clinical views if it is "fringe".
(I do not have a personal opinion)
James
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In the "Neurotransmitters Role" Section
PLEASE CHANGE "Differences in other parts of the brain and an imbalance of brain chemicals, especially serotonin and dopamine, may also contribute to OCD.[42]" TO "Differences in other parts of the brain and an imbalance of brain chemicals, especially serotonin, dopamine, and glutamate, may also contribute to OCD.[42]" BECAUSE Glutamate dysregulation in OCD has been demonstrated in research literature.
CITATION FOR THIS WILL BE: Pittenger, C, Bloch, MH, Williams, K. Glutamate abnormalities in obsessive-compulsive disorder: Neurobiology, pathophysiology, and treatment. Pharmacology & Therapeutics. 2011;132:314-332.
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In the "Medication" Section
Please add citations listed to location [X] in the sentence mentioned below. There have been research on riluzole treatment in treatment-refractory OCD. The most definitive review of the literature to date includes the citation below.
"Much current research is devoted to the therapeutic potential of the agents that affect the release of the neurotransmitter glutamate or the binding to its receptors. These include riluzole [X]..."
CITATION 1: Pittenger, C, Coric, V, Banasr, M, Bloch, M, Krystal, JH, Sanacora, G. Riluzole in the treatment of mood and anxiety disorders. CNS Drugs. 2008;22:761-786.
CITATION 2: http://www.ocfoundation.org/glutamate.aspx
Mkelly15 ( talk) 21:36, 17 October 2012 (UTC)
Mkelly15 (
talk) 00:49, 19 October 2012 (UTC)
Aurochs,
Though the Pharmacol Biochem Behav article mentions Riluzole, I don't think that it is central enough in the article to use as it's sole citation. If you won't add the CNS Article (Pittenger, C, Coric, V, Banasr, M, Bloch, M, Krystal, JH, Sanacora, G. Riluzole in the treatment of mood and anxiety disorders. CNS Drugs. 2008;22:761-786.) then please add this one instead:
Coric V, Taskiran S, Pittenger C, Wasylink S, Mathalon DH, Valentine G, et al. Riluzole Augmentation in Treatment-Resistant Obsessive–Compulsive Disorder: An Open-Label Trial. Biological Psychiatry. 2005;58(5):424-428.
The article specifically targets riluzole augmentation
The abstract for this article can be found here: http://www.biologicalpsychiatryjournal.com/article/S0006-3223(05)00563-9/abstract http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15993857
Thanks.
Mkelly15 ( talk) 00:49, 19 October 2012 (UTC)
There are many people, both sufferers and mental health professionals who frankly balk at the notion that any form of mental illness is purely or even mostly caused by 'faulty biology' We see this as a highly damaging idea promoted by drug companies and pandered to by govenments only too happy not to have to face the problem of dysfunctional families within modern societies. There are many alternative opinions regarding the sources of OCD from a psychodynamic perspective, none of which are covered by theis article at all or even given a nod. Outrageous. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.5.6.123 ( talk) 22:04, 2 January 2013 (UTC)
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In the "Society and Culture" section, the last bullet point reads, "OCD is one of the main themes in Xenocide, a SF novel by Orson Scott Card. Grammatically, it should be an SF novel or, for more clarity, a Science Fiction novel. Idez ( talk) 16:17, 23 January 2013 (UTC)
Where is it said that Obsessive-Compulsive Personality Disorder is an Autism Spectrum Disorder? I cannot find this anywhere in the primary literature or the DSM V. I propose that this be removed until further assessment. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Magnesiumdreamz ( talk • contribs) 20:50, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
Someone exhibiting OCD signs does not necessarily have OCD. Behaviors that present as (or seem to be) obsessive or compulsive can also be found in a number of other conditions as well, including obsessive–compulsive personality disorder (OCPD), an autism spectrum disorder, disorders where perseveration is a possible feature (ADHD, PTSD, bodily disorders or habit problems),[3] or sub-clinically.
please consider adding the section to wiki article I assume this short story depicts a neurotic (OCD) character http://www.online-literature.com/yeats/1107/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.197.156.14 ( talk) 08:31, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
As of DSM-V (May, 2013), OCD is no longer classified as an "anxiety disorder." See: http://pro.psychcentral.com/2013/dsm-5-changes-obsessive-compulsive-and-related-disorders/004404.html#: "According to the American Psychiatric Association (APA), the publisher of the DSM-5, the major change for obsessive-compulsive disorder is the fact that it and related disorders now have their own chapter. They are no longer considered “anxiety disorders.†This is due to increasing research evidence demonstrating common threads running through a number of OCD-related disorders — obsessive thoughts and/or repetitive behaviors."
While nearly every source on the internet continues to describe OCD as an "anxiety disorder", as Wikipedia itself notes, the DSM provides the "standard criteria for the classification of mental disorders."
I propose that this article at least acknowledge the changing classification of this disorder within the medical community. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.191.108.153 ( talk) 07:04, 2 September 2013 (UTC)
It would be too evil to have grammar errors on the OCD page. "However, OCD sufferers generally recognize their obsessions and compulsions as irrational, and may become further distressed by this realization." Nope, the last comma should be gone, and the page is locked for editing.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Eioehigksdg444444lskdfg ( talk • contribs)
If you know how to edit the text of the article please include in the text the next important passage from the source: There is no evidence that general counseling, psychodynamic therapy, psychoanalytic therapy, hypnotherapy, or transactional analysis are of any benefit in obsessive-compulsive disorder. [3] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.90.71.16 ( talk) 03:28, 27 October 2013 (UTC)
There is an error in the first word of the section "Other common comorbidities and OCD-like conditions" Somebody please fix it. 114.79.29.64 ( talk) 06:39, 2 December 2013 (UTC)
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