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"Academic philosophers have mostly ignored or rejected Rand's philosophy." This is a clear well-poisoning propaganda technique. If you want to put that into a criticism section, that's one thing, but to conclude the introduction of the article with "well it's basically bullsh!t, but those crazy lolbertarians believe in it anyway!" is blatant duplicity. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.191.15.34 ( talk) 15:27, 15 February 2018 (UTC)
Since various editors (or maybe just one using multiple IPs/accounts – it's hard to tell) continue to try to whitewash and deny what the sources say, I am going to lay out the statements from multiple academic secondary sources:
These sources show how academics describe the way other academics regard Rand and Objectivism, and they support the phrasings of "ignored" ("not mentioned at all", "little attention", "nobody ... pays any attention", "ignore", "not worthy of further consideration", "little attention") or "rejected" ("dismissed", "dismissing her work contemptuously", "ridicule"). Some of these authors indicate that academic interest in Objectivism is increasing, but from a small base that is not close to being a majority. I've updated the sentence in the article with some of the more recent sources, as well as adding sources specific to the other part of the sentence (about the existence of some pro-Objectivist academics). -- RL0919 ( talk) 06:41, 5 January 2023 (UTC)
Why is it felt that the statement about how academics often rejected her seen as a biased statement? As an objectivist one should desire your information be delivered objectively and that statement is completely objective. Despite completely agree with Rand's work, it is an objectively true fact that many scholars did in fact reject her work, so how is it biased? — Preceding unsigned comment added by MartysGospel ( talk • contribs) 01:00, 6 February 2019 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved. ( closed by non-admin page mover) feminist ( talk) 03:09, 11 February 2020 (UTC)
– This use of "Objectivism" is the clear WP:PRIMARYTOPIC as demonstrated by the page view stats of the uses listed at the dab page currently at Objectivism, not to mention that the only other significant use of "objectivism" covered on WP, Objectivity (philosophy), is arguably better known as objectivity, not objectivism. In any case, use of the Randian philosophical "objectivism" garners far more interest on WP, making the Randian use the primary topic, since page views of all other uses are negligible. This finding is bolstered by the WP:GOOGLETEST: searching for "objectivism", putting aside the dictionary definition per WP:NOTADICT, yields pages full of references to the Rand connotations, with very few others. The reflected titles should accurately reflect that this use is the primary topic. В²C ☎ 21:17, 3 February 2020 (UTC)-- В²C ☎ 21:17, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
This move was a bad idea, made with very little input. I don't have the time or energy to fight for a return to the status quo ante but if anyone in the future wants to fight that fight, this is me registering my support for them. I see Snowded made many good arguments in the last discussion about it 12 years ago, and I pretty much agree with him about that. -- Pfhorrest ( talk) 00:17, 12 June 2020 (UTC)
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The title is highly dubiously worded, considering Objectivism is defined as "the philosophy of Ayn Rand" and as such is a "closed system". It is fully valid to work "on" or "developing" philosophy in the vein of Objectivism, in any other sense than to fundamentally change it, but none other than Rand could create it and in such ways lay down the content of the philosophy itself. It is capital "Objectivism", after all, rather than merely a working theory still being formed or that could take any contradictory or random turns. 83.255.180.77 ( talk) 13:47, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
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"Academic philosophers have mostly ignored or rejected Rand's philosophy." This is a clear well-poisoning propaganda technique. If you want to put that into a criticism section, that's one thing, but to conclude the introduction of the article with "well it's basically bullsh!t, but those crazy lolbertarians believe in it anyway!" is blatant duplicity. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.191.15.34 ( talk) 15:27, 15 February 2018 (UTC)
Since various editors (or maybe just one using multiple IPs/accounts – it's hard to tell) continue to try to whitewash and deny what the sources say, I am going to lay out the statements from multiple academic secondary sources:
These sources show how academics describe the way other academics regard Rand and Objectivism, and they support the phrasings of "ignored" ("not mentioned at all", "little attention", "nobody ... pays any attention", "ignore", "not worthy of further consideration", "little attention") or "rejected" ("dismissed", "dismissing her work contemptuously", "ridicule"). Some of these authors indicate that academic interest in Objectivism is increasing, but from a small base that is not close to being a majority. I've updated the sentence in the article with some of the more recent sources, as well as adding sources specific to the other part of the sentence (about the existence of some pro-Objectivist academics). -- RL0919 ( talk) 06:41, 5 January 2023 (UTC)
Why is it felt that the statement about how academics often rejected her seen as a biased statement? As an objectivist one should desire your information be delivered objectively and that statement is completely objective. Despite completely agree with Rand's work, it is an objectively true fact that many scholars did in fact reject her work, so how is it biased? — Preceding unsigned comment added by MartysGospel ( talk • contribs) 01:00, 6 February 2019 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved. ( closed by non-admin page mover) feminist ( talk) 03:09, 11 February 2020 (UTC)
– This use of "Objectivism" is the clear WP:PRIMARYTOPIC as demonstrated by the page view stats of the uses listed at the dab page currently at Objectivism, not to mention that the only other significant use of "objectivism" covered on WP, Objectivity (philosophy), is arguably better known as objectivity, not objectivism. In any case, use of the Randian philosophical "objectivism" garners far more interest on WP, making the Randian use the primary topic, since page views of all other uses are negligible. This finding is bolstered by the WP:GOOGLETEST: searching for "objectivism", putting aside the dictionary definition per WP:NOTADICT, yields pages full of references to the Rand connotations, with very few others. The reflected titles should accurately reflect that this use is the primary topic. В²C ☎ 21:17, 3 February 2020 (UTC)-- В²C ☎ 21:17, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
This move was a bad idea, made with very little input. I don't have the time or energy to fight for a return to the status quo ante but if anyone in the future wants to fight that fight, this is me registering my support for them. I see Snowded made many good arguments in the last discussion about it 12 years ago, and I pretty much agree with him about that. -- Pfhorrest ( talk) 00:17, 12 June 2020 (UTC)
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The title is highly dubiously worded, considering Objectivism is defined as "the philosophy of Ayn Rand" and as such is a "closed system". It is fully valid to work "on" or "developing" philosophy in the vein of Objectivism, in any other sense than to fundamentally change it, but none other than Rand could create it and in such ways lay down the content of the philosophy itself. It is capital "Objectivism", after all, rather than merely a working theory still being formed or that could take any contradictory or random turns. 83.255.180.77 ( talk) 13:47, 20 June 2024 (UTC)