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The term "nutraceutical" is a term being propagated by commercial interests and smacks of pseudoscience. Does it really belong in Wikipedia? -- Rhombus 16:27, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
indeed this is just a propaganda page trying to leverage Health Canada and FDA use of a word. footnote 10 in the Classification of nutraceuticals section is incorrect. the document does not confirm the statement associated with it. this page has definitely been corrupted in order to con potential customers doing research. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.49.196.44 ( talk) 23:21, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
The first sentence states 'Neutraceutical ... refers to foods claimed to have a medicinal effect". I would think that all neutraceuticals actually DO have an effect. The fact that many foods wrongly claim to be neutracuticals does not alter the definition. User:pathh
Under links, we have links to the topic nutraceuticals in many search engines. These links aren't substantial enough to be here. A reader can go to the search engine and type in the word for themself. External links should give you something with real human work behind it: an article, not just a computerized string search you can run for yourself.
I haven't erased them yet, because I am deferring to the authors of the article, but I think erasing them would be appropriate. 67.127.185.219 00:28, 5 July 2006 (UTC)Kevin
I did a wiki search for Medical Foods and was led to this page on Nutraceuticals/Nutriceuticals. That is uncool - many nutraceutical marketers have attempted to pose as Medical Foods. This is inappropriate given that the FDA provides virtually no oversight or regulation regarding the informal use of the term "nutriceutical" whereas Medical Foods are a distinct class of product and are indeed regulated. Creating confusion in the mind of patient/consumers is an unfair practice (at worse) and ignorant (at least). Palassistant ( talk) 16:31, 9 July 2010 (UTC)Jim Currie Palassistant ( talk) 16:31, 9 July 2010 (UTC)
Removed this sentence:
Ground 21:40, 27 Dec 2004 (UTC)
I added a link to the American Nutraceutical Association web page. That web page has an FAQ with a really great discussion of what exactly "nutraceutical" means, but the evil structure of the web site prevents linking directly to that page. Currently the nutraceutical FAQ is at http://www.americanutra.com/faq_links.cfm?FaqCategoryID=3&cfid=598052&cftoken=16931204, and you must use JavaScript to view the actual FAQ entry for the word. I felt it was better to just link the front page than to incorporate a link that is likely to be broken in the future. -- Steveha 19:00, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Much of modern traditional medicine is aimed at treating sick people, not at keeping healthy people people healthy. There are sources of "non-traditional" material which can be especially useful as a starting point for people who are looking for new perpsectives in addition to what their doctor may be telling them. For example, the Results Project is a non-profit organization which encourages kids with Attention_Deficit_Disorder to be happy, healthy and successful by using, among other approaches, nutritional therapies. The Results Project has a particularly thought-provoking set of quotations including:
"Doctors give drugs of which they know little, into bodies, of which they know less, for diseases of which they know nothing at all." Voltaire
"The carpenter desires timber, the physician disease." Rig Veda IX. 7.9
"I find medicine is the best of all trades because whether you do any good or not you still get your money." (Moliere: "A Physician in Spite of Himself," 1664)
"Unless we put medical freedom into the Constitution, the time will come when medicine will organize into an undercover dictatorship to restrict the art of healing to one class of men and deny equal privileges to others; the Constitution of the Republic should make a special privilege for medical freedoms as well as religious freedom." Benjamin Rush, MD., a signer of the Declaration of Independence and personal physician to George Washington
"The doctor of the future will no longer treat the human frame with drugs, but rather will cure and prevent disease with nutrition." Thomas Edison
"We must admit that we have never fought the homeopath on matters of principle. We fought them because they came into our community and got the business." Dr. J.N. McCormack, AMA, 1903
"One of the biggest tragedies of human civilization is the precedents of chemical therapy over nutrition. It's a substitution of artificial therapy over nature, of poisons over food, in which we are feeding people poisons trying to correct the reactions of starvation." Dr. Royal Lee, January 12, 1951
No quote is a substitute for scientific evidence, which is profoundly lacking for a number--arguably a majority--of "neutraceuticals". I recommend watching this page for scientifically-ungrounded marketing blitzes and allowing only the most thoroughly backed-up specific claims.-- Xris0 ( talk) 03:26, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
At WikiProject Food and Drink I've started the thread Food additives etc. ==> need merging. in hopes that some of the pages:
can be merged/eliminated. I hope that that thread will be a central place to discuss this somewhat messy situation. I'll be adding this comment to each of the articles' Talk pages. -- Hordaland ( talk) 12:02, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
The article starts off by noting that nutraceutical is a combination of nutrition and pharmaceutical. Would it be appropriate to mention that it is a portmanteau/portmanteau word? -Indalcecio ( talk) 17:35, 1 May 2011 (UTC)
In the intro paragraph the claim is made that
I did a search on the FDA website, for the term "American Nutraceutical Association" and could only find one usage on the entire website, on page 28 of a letter to the FDA with the subject "Our Reference: GRAS Notification and Exemption Claim for Certified Organic Spirulina" [1] [2]:
This leads me to believe that the claim is not true and makes skeptical of all the other claims. All information I have been able to find points to the American Nutraceutical Association being a bogus organization that sounds scientific and exists for the sole purpose of endorsing dubious claims. Most of this article is basically a pseudoscience advertisement for the vitamin sellers.
Chuck Coker ( talk) 05:25, 5 March 2013 (UTC)
References
HI, I went through this article today and removed a great deal of essay-like WP:SOAPBOX content, including content that has been tagged with "citation needed" for over 2 years. Also removed self published sources. The National Nutraceuticals Center appears dead - it has not been updated since 2005 ( http://www.clemson.edu/NNC/index.html) and its founder and director doesn't even list it on his website http://www.clemson.edu/cafls/departments/biosci/faculty_staff/gangemi_j.html so I removed this as a source. "Farmaceuticals" are not nutraceuticals - this is just a way to manufacture drugs... the plants or animals are not intended to be eaten. Deleted that text. Likewise, medical foods are not relevant, so deleted that. Deleted the examples... unclear what the point of this is -- the list could go on and on. Renamed "medicine as food" section as "history" and moved to the end. Jytdog ( talk) 00:17, 31 March 2013 (UTC)
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The term "nutraceutical" is a term being propagated by commercial interests and smacks of pseudoscience. Does it really belong in Wikipedia? -- Rhombus 16:27, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
indeed this is just a propaganda page trying to leverage Health Canada and FDA use of a word. footnote 10 in the Classification of nutraceuticals section is incorrect. the document does not confirm the statement associated with it. this page has definitely been corrupted in order to con potential customers doing research. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.49.196.44 ( talk) 23:21, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
The first sentence states 'Neutraceutical ... refers to foods claimed to have a medicinal effect". I would think that all neutraceuticals actually DO have an effect. The fact that many foods wrongly claim to be neutracuticals does not alter the definition. User:pathh
Under links, we have links to the topic nutraceuticals in many search engines. These links aren't substantial enough to be here. A reader can go to the search engine and type in the word for themself. External links should give you something with real human work behind it: an article, not just a computerized string search you can run for yourself.
I haven't erased them yet, because I am deferring to the authors of the article, but I think erasing them would be appropriate. 67.127.185.219 00:28, 5 July 2006 (UTC)Kevin
I did a wiki search for Medical Foods and was led to this page on Nutraceuticals/Nutriceuticals. That is uncool - many nutraceutical marketers have attempted to pose as Medical Foods. This is inappropriate given that the FDA provides virtually no oversight or regulation regarding the informal use of the term "nutriceutical" whereas Medical Foods are a distinct class of product and are indeed regulated. Creating confusion in the mind of patient/consumers is an unfair practice (at worse) and ignorant (at least). Palassistant ( talk) 16:31, 9 July 2010 (UTC)Jim Currie Palassistant ( talk) 16:31, 9 July 2010 (UTC)
Removed this sentence:
Ground 21:40, 27 Dec 2004 (UTC)
I added a link to the American Nutraceutical Association web page. That web page has an FAQ with a really great discussion of what exactly "nutraceutical" means, but the evil structure of the web site prevents linking directly to that page. Currently the nutraceutical FAQ is at http://www.americanutra.com/faq_links.cfm?FaqCategoryID=3&cfid=598052&cftoken=16931204, and you must use JavaScript to view the actual FAQ entry for the word. I felt it was better to just link the front page than to incorporate a link that is likely to be broken in the future. -- Steveha 19:00, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Much of modern traditional medicine is aimed at treating sick people, not at keeping healthy people people healthy. There are sources of "non-traditional" material which can be especially useful as a starting point for people who are looking for new perpsectives in addition to what their doctor may be telling them. For example, the Results Project is a non-profit organization which encourages kids with Attention_Deficit_Disorder to be happy, healthy and successful by using, among other approaches, nutritional therapies. The Results Project has a particularly thought-provoking set of quotations including:
"Doctors give drugs of which they know little, into bodies, of which they know less, for diseases of which they know nothing at all." Voltaire
"The carpenter desires timber, the physician disease." Rig Veda IX. 7.9
"I find medicine is the best of all trades because whether you do any good or not you still get your money." (Moliere: "A Physician in Spite of Himself," 1664)
"Unless we put medical freedom into the Constitution, the time will come when medicine will organize into an undercover dictatorship to restrict the art of healing to one class of men and deny equal privileges to others; the Constitution of the Republic should make a special privilege for medical freedoms as well as religious freedom." Benjamin Rush, MD., a signer of the Declaration of Independence and personal physician to George Washington
"The doctor of the future will no longer treat the human frame with drugs, but rather will cure and prevent disease with nutrition." Thomas Edison
"We must admit that we have never fought the homeopath on matters of principle. We fought them because they came into our community and got the business." Dr. J.N. McCormack, AMA, 1903
"One of the biggest tragedies of human civilization is the precedents of chemical therapy over nutrition. It's a substitution of artificial therapy over nature, of poisons over food, in which we are feeding people poisons trying to correct the reactions of starvation." Dr. Royal Lee, January 12, 1951
No quote is a substitute for scientific evidence, which is profoundly lacking for a number--arguably a majority--of "neutraceuticals". I recommend watching this page for scientifically-ungrounded marketing blitzes and allowing only the most thoroughly backed-up specific claims.-- Xris0 ( talk) 03:26, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
At WikiProject Food and Drink I've started the thread Food additives etc. ==> need merging. in hopes that some of the pages:
can be merged/eliminated. I hope that that thread will be a central place to discuss this somewhat messy situation. I'll be adding this comment to each of the articles' Talk pages. -- Hordaland ( talk) 12:02, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
The article starts off by noting that nutraceutical is a combination of nutrition and pharmaceutical. Would it be appropriate to mention that it is a portmanteau/portmanteau word? -Indalcecio ( talk) 17:35, 1 May 2011 (UTC)
In the intro paragraph the claim is made that
I did a search on the FDA website, for the term "American Nutraceutical Association" and could only find one usage on the entire website, on page 28 of a letter to the FDA with the subject "Our Reference: GRAS Notification and Exemption Claim for Certified Organic Spirulina" [1] [2]:
This leads me to believe that the claim is not true and makes skeptical of all the other claims. All information I have been able to find points to the American Nutraceutical Association being a bogus organization that sounds scientific and exists for the sole purpose of endorsing dubious claims. Most of this article is basically a pseudoscience advertisement for the vitamin sellers.
Chuck Coker ( talk) 05:25, 5 March 2013 (UTC)
References
HI, I went through this article today and removed a great deal of essay-like WP:SOAPBOX content, including content that has been tagged with "citation needed" for over 2 years. Also removed self published sources. The National Nutraceuticals Center appears dead - it has not been updated since 2005 ( http://www.clemson.edu/NNC/index.html) and its founder and director doesn't even list it on his website http://www.clemson.edu/cafls/departments/biosci/faculty_staff/gangemi_j.html so I removed this as a source. "Farmaceuticals" are not nutraceuticals - this is just a way to manufacture drugs... the plants or animals are not intended to be eaten. Deleted that text. Likewise, medical foods are not relevant, so deleted that. Deleted the examples... unclear what the point of this is -- the list could go on and on. Renamed "medicine as food" section as "history" and moved to the end. Jytdog ( talk) 00:17, 31 March 2013 (UTC)