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The Nogai Horde article could basically be a section of this article dealing with the history of the Nogai people. Niether article is large, and persons interested in one are likely going to be interested in the other. Caerwine 19:13, 3 September 2005 (UTC)
i do not agree with merging those different topic despite they are dealing with the same: the nogai. the nogai horde has only to do with history and what has happened to the nogai horde in the past, which has nothing to do with the nogai people now. of course, the nogai people are coming from the nogai horde, but in terms of talking about ethnic group it would be better to present the topics seperately. would you like to merge the topics "commonwealth" and "scottish people"? cheers
Hi I am a descendant of nogai too. I find it a little bit odd that the nogai people have a flag of a somewhat doglike creature. But its clear the nogai were sunni muslims. Then ask yourself this. Would a sunni muslim state take a flag that looks like a dog with wings? . I find it very questionable. Also I would like to add some other things to the article I heard from my grandmother etc. It is commenly known in my village the nogai were famous for their horse skills and often raided tartar villages. After a while they settled down and lived with tartars. Most of them moved into the Crim area and eventually alot of them migrated to Turkey. so does everyone agree with this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 145.53.211.52 ( talk)
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The Nogais have been in Western Russia for hundreds of years.Why the Nogai population is very small compared to the ethnic Russian population which is over 100 millions? Even if you add the Nogai population in Turkey with the Nogai population in Russia, it is still small. Sonic99 02:51, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
The population of Nogais in Russia is perhaps higher as it seems, because on the Population Consensus in Russia many peoples proclaim for ethnic Russians while they arent. However, the number of Nogais in Russia is now increasing.
Spring01 21:56, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
Because of ethnic discrimination, for example at finding jobs etc. Some sources state that today there are more than 5 millions of Nogais. Spring01 21:33, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
I have more than enough links for that. Can it be in Russian language?? Spring01 02:22, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
Spring01, can you read Russian? I can't read Russian. Please try to find an English translated version if you can. Sonic99 02:09, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
Of course I can read Russian language. I mean will it count as a prove if I give link in Russian language because I know that sometimes people say I wont accept that because it isnt in english. So will it count on english wikipedia??
Spring01 15:08, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
It would be helpful if those with an understanding of this topic (ie, not me) could please see Achikulak Nogai. That article states The Achikulak Nogai are one of the three territorial divisions of the Nogai, but there is no mention of them on this page (or three territorial divisions). A cleanup/clarification/expansion may be in order to sufficiently cover the topic. Thank you, sassf ( talk) 23:14, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
(Actually, it linked to an "Achikulak Nogai dialect" orphaned stub which I also deleted.) kwami ( talk) 08:43, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
A passing use of old anthopological terms in a book about religion is not a good source for referring to the Nogais as "Caucasoid" or "Mongoloid", especially when the book is talking about the modern Nogais, not the 16th century people. Ergative rlt ( talk) 00:32, 21 October 2012 (UTC)
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Why are the Nogais listed as an indigenous people in Template:Ethnic groups of Russia but not the page itself? Are the Nogais an indigenous people? ~Cherri of Arctic Circle System ( talk) 05:14, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
the Russian empire knew the Nogais very well, and if anyone needs help translating the page let me know, it is very simple Soyembika ( talk) 07:41, 8 July 2023 (UTC)
@ Vofa and Turkiishh: I am amazed to see the level of confidence you display when changing back and forth the total population figures, even though the cited source (Golden's article in the Encyclopaedia of Islam is in plain sight. Do you have access to this source? I do. If you don't, don't change content that is based on this source. Read WP:V. Read it well. I advise to slow down (sounds familiar, right?) before you have properly understood what this pillar of Wikipedia editing entails. Thank you. Austronesier ( talk) 20:27, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
He just edited out the Turkish population and region in the population box. That’s bad. When I first started editing the page, the number was 90,000 I never touched it,until recently when he deleted it and the Turkish population in population box. That’s how it all started. Vofa ( talk) 06:16, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
That’s actually crazy. Even he acknowledges its 170k without Turkish population. What he deleted | region13 = {{flagcountry|Turkey}}
| pop13 = ?-100,000
| ref13 = <ref name="Association of Nogais in Turkey 2024"/>
now here’s what I wrote to accommodate it {{The number of Nogais living in Turkey today is disputed. Estimates claim there are 90,000-100,000 Nogais (Nogai Turks) in the country, but the claims are hard to verify.}} They mainly settled in Ceyhan/Adana, Ankara and Eskisehir provinces. The Nogai language is still spoken in some of the villages of Central Anatolia – mainly around Salt Lake, Eskişehir and Ceyhan. To this day, Nogais in Turkey have maintained their cuisine: Üken börek, kaşık börek, tabak börek, şır börek, köbeteand Nogay şay (Nogai tea – a drink prepared by boiling milk and tea together with butter, salt and pepper). ((I wrote the first part))
Vofa ( talk) 06:23, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
На Северном Кавказе группам ногайцев удалось сохранить отдельное самосознание и сформировать современных ногайцев, те группы, которые оказались в составе Казахского ханства, а потом Букеевской Орды, были ассимилированы в казахском народе, составив значительную часть младшего жуза.(Emphasis added.)
The title Vofa ( talk) 06:26, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
It doesn’t have a site,but it’s in Turkey and has social media channels/pages where they claim the number of Nogais is 100k-5m (5m is an absurd and obviously made up term) all map of Nogais include regions where they’re most present in,so please don’t erase it. I put (?-100k) to leave room for mistakes. Stop reverting it,thank you. Vofa ( talk) 07:25, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
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The Nogai Horde article could basically be a section of this article dealing with the history of the Nogai people. Niether article is large, and persons interested in one are likely going to be interested in the other. Caerwine 19:13, 3 September 2005 (UTC)
i do not agree with merging those different topic despite they are dealing with the same: the nogai. the nogai horde has only to do with history and what has happened to the nogai horde in the past, which has nothing to do with the nogai people now. of course, the nogai people are coming from the nogai horde, but in terms of talking about ethnic group it would be better to present the topics seperately. would you like to merge the topics "commonwealth" and "scottish people"? cheers
Hi I am a descendant of nogai too. I find it a little bit odd that the nogai people have a flag of a somewhat doglike creature. But its clear the nogai were sunni muslims. Then ask yourself this. Would a sunni muslim state take a flag that looks like a dog with wings? . I find it very questionable. Also I would like to add some other things to the article I heard from my grandmother etc. It is commenly known in my village the nogai were famous for their horse skills and often raided tartar villages. After a while they settled down and lived with tartars. Most of them moved into the Crim area and eventually alot of them migrated to Turkey. so does everyone agree with this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 145.53.211.52 ( talk)
For dedicated editors of this page: The "Related Groups" info was removed from all {{ Infobox Ethnic group}} infoboxes. Comments may be left on the Ethnic groups talk page. Ling.Nut 23:09, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
The Nogais have been in Western Russia for hundreds of years.Why the Nogai population is very small compared to the ethnic Russian population which is over 100 millions? Even if you add the Nogai population in Turkey with the Nogai population in Russia, it is still small. Sonic99 02:51, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
The population of Nogais in Russia is perhaps higher as it seems, because on the Population Consensus in Russia many peoples proclaim for ethnic Russians while they arent. However, the number of Nogais in Russia is now increasing.
Spring01 21:56, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
Because of ethnic discrimination, for example at finding jobs etc. Some sources state that today there are more than 5 millions of Nogais. Spring01 21:33, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
I have more than enough links for that. Can it be in Russian language?? Spring01 02:22, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
Spring01, can you read Russian? I can't read Russian. Please try to find an English translated version if you can. Sonic99 02:09, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
Of course I can read Russian language. I mean will it count as a prove if I give link in Russian language because I know that sometimes people say I wont accept that because it isnt in english. So will it count on english wikipedia??
Spring01 15:08, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
It would be helpful if those with an understanding of this topic (ie, not me) could please see Achikulak Nogai. That article states The Achikulak Nogai are one of the three territorial divisions of the Nogai, but there is no mention of them on this page (or three territorial divisions). A cleanup/clarification/expansion may be in order to sufficiently cover the topic. Thank you, sassf ( talk) 23:14, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
(Actually, it linked to an "Achikulak Nogai dialect" orphaned stub which I also deleted.) kwami ( talk) 08:43, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
A passing use of old anthopological terms in a book about religion is not a good source for referring to the Nogais as "Caucasoid" or "Mongoloid", especially when the book is talking about the modern Nogais, not the 16th century people. Ergative rlt ( talk) 00:32, 21 October 2012 (UTC)
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Why are the Nogais listed as an indigenous people in Template:Ethnic groups of Russia but not the page itself? Are the Nogais an indigenous people? ~Cherri of Arctic Circle System ( talk) 05:14, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
the Russian empire knew the Nogais very well, and if anyone needs help translating the page let me know, it is very simple Soyembika ( talk) 07:41, 8 July 2023 (UTC)
@ Vofa and Turkiishh: I am amazed to see the level of confidence you display when changing back and forth the total population figures, even though the cited source (Golden's article in the Encyclopaedia of Islam is in plain sight. Do you have access to this source? I do. If you don't, don't change content that is based on this source. Read WP:V. Read it well. I advise to slow down (sounds familiar, right?) before you have properly understood what this pillar of Wikipedia editing entails. Thank you. Austronesier ( talk) 20:27, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
He just edited out the Turkish population and region in the population box. That’s bad. When I first started editing the page, the number was 90,000 I never touched it,until recently when he deleted it and the Turkish population in population box. That’s how it all started. Vofa ( talk) 06:16, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
That’s actually crazy. Even he acknowledges its 170k without Turkish population. What he deleted | region13 = {{flagcountry|Turkey}}
| pop13 = ?-100,000
| ref13 = <ref name="Association of Nogais in Turkey 2024"/>
now here’s what I wrote to accommodate it {{The number of Nogais living in Turkey today is disputed. Estimates claim there are 90,000-100,000 Nogais (Nogai Turks) in the country, but the claims are hard to verify.}} They mainly settled in Ceyhan/Adana, Ankara and Eskisehir provinces. The Nogai language is still spoken in some of the villages of Central Anatolia – mainly around Salt Lake, Eskişehir and Ceyhan. To this day, Nogais in Turkey have maintained their cuisine: Üken börek, kaşık börek, tabak börek, şır börek, köbeteand Nogay şay (Nogai tea – a drink prepared by boiling milk and tea together with butter, salt and pepper). ((I wrote the first part))
Vofa ( talk) 06:23, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
На Северном Кавказе группам ногайцев удалось сохранить отдельное самосознание и сформировать современных ногайцев, те группы, которые оказались в составе Казахского ханства, а потом Букеевской Орды, были ассимилированы в казахском народе, составив значительную часть младшего жуза.(Emphasis added.)
The title Vofa ( talk) 06:26, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
It doesn’t have a site,but it’s in Turkey and has social media channels/pages where they claim the number of Nogais is 100k-5m (5m is an absurd and obviously made up term) all map of Nogais include regions where they’re most present in,so please don’t erase it. I put (?-100k) to leave room for mistakes. Stop reverting it,thank you. Vofa ( talk) 07:25, 5 April 2024 (UTC)