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Nikkie came out as transgender and this should be included in the personal life section, not the introduction. She also did not use any terms such as "male to female" or "assigned male at birth" so even if these seem like logical assumptions to you they are unsourced assumptions. We also do not need to summarize the entire video, just the key point. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Heretohelp1432 ( talk • contribs) 20:35, 13 January 2020 (UTC)
She mentioned in the video transitioning while on Youtube as well as prior to starting it. Please refrain from writing incorrect information. Heretohelp1432 ( talk) 20:57, 13 January 2020 (UTC)
The name stated in the born column (together with place and date of birth) is factually inaccurate. This person is now called Nikkie, but was born as [redacted]. Timmie1606 ( talk) 22:23, 14 January 2020 (UTC) I can only find dutch sources for this, which doesn't seem to fit an english wikipedia, but alas: [1] Timmie1606 ( talk) 14:41, 16 January 2020 (UTC)
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I have removed the birth name from the infobox as it was uncited an claimed here to be incorrect (per WP:BLP). Consensus regarding transgender people is that we should always refer to them using their current pronouns for all stages of their life unless they have expressed a clear desire otherwise. That applies everywhere on Wikipedia. Consensus regarding previous names of transgender people is that they should not normally be mentioned unless they were notable under that name or it is otherwise relevant to their notability. A quick reading of this article suggests that does not apply to this article, but I have not looked in detail. See Wikipedia:Non-English for details about policies regarding sources in other languages, but in a nutshell English sources are preferred where available and of equal or better quality to others but non-English ones are perfectly acceptable as long as they are reliable. Thryduulf ( talk) 18:11, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
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Why are transgender people treated differently from all other? It is standard, that birth names are mentioned in the introduction, if known. -- 92.216.144.36 ( talk) 10:46, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
I consider reporting the alleged birthname to be a violation, and will revdelete any further attempts. The cited source is itself a reliable paper, and we can assume it reliably cites a schoolteacher who talks about a student from 16 years ago--but how reliable that teacher is, is another matter, and there is no indication that much research was done: this report is found verbatim in a number of papers owned by the same consortium, and they are not notable for being among the best or most reliable papers. That's not saying they're bad--it's saying they're not strong enough for this kind of information. There's a couple of IPs in the article history who were changing pronouns: such editors should be blocked on the spot, if they return after protection runs out. If my revdeletions are deemed too strong, challenge them but don't re-insert: this is a serious BLP matter, and I support blocking anyone who does this before a consensus is reached. Drmies ( talk) 17:32, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
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Categorie: On June 12, 2020 it was announced that Nikkie will be an ambassador to the Dutch United Nations Association (UNANL, www.nvvn.nl), not to the United Nations (despite some media outlets reporting this. [1]. The Dutch Minister for Foreign Affairs confirmed this. [2]
Please change: "On June 12, 2020, it was announced that De Jager is the new Dutch Ambassador at the United Nations"
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"On June 12, 2020, it was announced that De Jager is an ambassador to the Dutch United Nations Association"
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Nikkie has recently participated in Wie is de Mol, where she was referred as "Nikkie". Maybe it's time to move this page from NikkieTutorials to Nikkie_de_Jager? I tried doing this myself, but as I contribute too little to US-based Wikipedia, I'm not autoconfirmed to do this. Besides, I'd like a confirmation on this.
SirQuackTheDuck ( talk) 01:54, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
This should just be part of the career section. There isn't anything more special about this than anything else in the career seciton. (Tagging Missnicky1991 and Umimmak who were the ones who added the section.) ― JochemvanHees ( talk) 22:23, 14 April 2021 (UTC)
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Nikkie came out as transgender and this should be included in the personal life section, not the introduction. She also did not use any terms such as "male to female" or "assigned male at birth" so even if these seem like logical assumptions to you they are unsourced assumptions. We also do not need to summarize the entire video, just the key point. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Heretohelp1432 ( talk • contribs) 20:35, 13 January 2020 (UTC)
She mentioned in the video transitioning while on Youtube as well as prior to starting it. Please refrain from writing incorrect information. Heretohelp1432 ( talk) 20:57, 13 January 2020 (UTC)
The name stated in the born column (together with place and date of birth) is factually inaccurate. This person is now called Nikkie, but was born as [redacted]. Timmie1606 ( talk) 22:23, 14 January 2020 (UTC) I can only find dutch sources for this, which doesn't seem to fit an english wikipedia, but alas: [1] Timmie1606 ( talk) 14:41, 16 January 2020 (UTC)
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I have removed the birth name from the infobox as it was uncited an claimed here to be incorrect (per WP:BLP). Consensus regarding transgender people is that we should always refer to them using their current pronouns for all stages of their life unless they have expressed a clear desire otherwise. That applies everywhere on Wikipedia. Consensus regarding previous names of transgender people is that they should not normally be mentioned unless they were notable under that name or it is otherwise relevant to their notability. A quick reading of this article suggests that does not apply to this article, but I have not looked in detail. See Wikipedia:Non-English for details about policies regarding sources in other languages, but in a nutshell English sources are preferred where available and of equal or better quality to others but non-English ones are perfectly acceptable as long as they are reliable. Thryduulf ( talk) 18:11, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
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Why are transgender people treated differently from all other? It is standard, that birth names are mentioned in the introduction, if known. -- 92.216.144.36 ( talk) 10:46, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
I consider reporting the alleged birthname to be a violation, and will revdelete any further attempts. The cited source is itself a reliable paper, and we can assume it reliably cites a schoolteacher who talks about a student from 16 years ago--but how reliable that teacher is, is another matter, and there is no indication that much research was done: this report is found verbatim in a number of papers owned by the same consortium, and they are not notable for being among the best or most reliable papers. That's not saying they're bad--it's saying they're not strong enough for this kind of information. There's a couple of IPs in the article history who were changing pronouns: such editors should be blocked on the spot, if they return after protection runs out. If my revdeletions are deemed too strong, challenge them but don't re-insert: this is a serious BLP matter, and I support blocking anyone who does this before a consensus is reached. Drmies ( talk) 17:32, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
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Categorie: On June 12, 2020 it was announced that Nikkie will be an ambassador to the Dutch United Nations Association (UNANL, www.nvvn.nl), not to the United Nations (despite some media outlets reporting this. [1]. The Dutch Minister for Foreign Affairs confirmed this. [2]
Please change: "On June 12, 2020, it was announced that De Jager is the new Dutch Ambassador at the United Nations"
to:
"On June 12, 2020, it was announced that De Jager is an ambassador to the Dutch United Nations Association"
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The following Wikimedia Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for deletion:
Participate in the deletion discussion at the nomination page. — Community Tech bot ( talk) 06:08, 27 July 2020 (UTC)
Nikkie has recently participated in Wie is de Mol, where she was referred as "Nikkie". Maybe it's time to move this page from NikkieTutorials to Nikkie_de_Jager? I tried doing this myself, but as I contribute too little to US-based Wikipedia, I'm not autoconfirmed to do this. Besides, I'd like a confirmation on this.
SirQuackTheDuck ( talk) 01:54, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
This should just be part of the career section. There isn't anything more special about this than anything else in the career seciton. (Tagging Missnicky1991 and Umimmak who were the ones who added the section.) ― JochemvanHees ( talk) 22:23, 14 April 2021 (UTC)