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Should this not have "Infobox civilian attack" similar to Peterloo Massacre? Martinevans123 ( talk) 22:06, 15 March 2014 (UTC)
The National Library of Wales have released a high resolution version of the 1840's Newport tithe map to Commons. Perhaps it would be good to include the map/or part of the map in this article. See the full map and high res sections. Thanks Jason.nlw ( talk) 16:24, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
In the recent TV series Victoria, it was shown that Chartists' sentence was commuted personally by Victoria. The wording given here - "the government eventually commuted the sentences" - does not explicitly contradict that, as "the government" is often interpreted vaguely as "someone upstairs", although it is somewhat incorrect. Hence, if there is any direct evidence about who made the decision and when, it would probably be appreciated. -- 82.131.109.135 ( talk) 19:41, 10 June 2017 (UTC)
I've removed this from the In popular culture section.
In August 2019, in the BBC TV series Who Do You Think You Are?, Thomas Phillips, mayor of Newport at the time of the Rising, was revealed to be an ancestor of TV producer Michael Whitehall and of his son, actor and comedian Jack Whitehall. [1] [2]
References
My reading of the ref from The Genealogist is that the Thomas Jones Phillips who was the ancestor and died around 1842 is not the Thomas Phillips who was mayor at the time, was unmarried, and died in 1867. The Argus writer clearly thinks they're the same but The Genealogist says Only three years after Frost's conviction, Thomas Jones Phillips died. Do revert if I'm wrong. Cavrdg ( talk) 12:36, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
This article has unfortunately had some editing in recent years that have skewed the POV of the article too far over towards those who consider this purely a massacre of civilians. Sympathise as we might with the Chartist cause, all reliable sources agree that the Chartists were armed (and hence not simply "marchers") and no source states definitively that the soldiers within the hotel opened fire first, though some sources state the opposite, and the most reliable sources we have (e.g.,
David Jones's book) basically state that no-one knows who opened fire first. All sources also agree that the Chartists did fire on the troops in the hotel (Jones states that about 80 shots were fired on the hotel), so to term this a massacre of civilians or mere "marchers" again does not appear to fit with what the sources are telling us.
I've therefore changed references to "marchers" to "Chartists", added a section on what the sources say about who fired first, and added details of the Chartists firing to the article.
FOARP (
talk)
10:38, 7 October 2022 (UTC)
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Should this not have "Infobox civilian attack" similar to Peterloo Massacre? Martinevans123 ( talk) 22:06, 15 March 2014 (UTC)
The National Library of Wales have released a high resolution version of the 1840's Newport tithe map to Commons. Perhaps it would be good to include the map/or part of the map in this article. See the full map and high res sections. Thanks Jason.nlw ( talk) 16:24, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
In the recent TV series Victoria, it was shown that Chartists' sentence was commuted personally by Victoria. The wording given here - "the government eventually commuted the sentences" - does not explicitly contradict that, as "the government" is often interpreted vaguely as "someone upstairs", although it is somewhat incorrect. Hence, if there is any direct evidence about who made the decision and when, it would probably be appreciated. -- 82.131.109.135 ( talk) 19:41, 10 June 2017 (UTC)
I've removed this from the In popular culture section.
In August 2019, in the BBC TV series Who Do You Think You Are?, Thomas Phillips, mayor of Newport at the time of the Rising, was revealed to be an ancestor of TV producer Michael Whitehall and of his son, actor and comedian Jack Whitehall. [1] [2]
References
My reading of the ref from The Genealogist is that the Thomas Jones Phillips who was the ancestor and died around 1842 is not the Thomas Phillips who was mayor at the time, was unmarried, and died in 1867. The Argus writer clearly thinks they're the same but The Genealogist says Only three years after Frost's conviction, Thomas Jones Phillips died. Do revert if I'm wrong. Cavrdg ( talk) 12:36, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
This article has unfortunately had some editing in recent years that have skewed the POV of the article too far over towards those who consider this purely a massacre of civilians. Sympathise as we might with the Chartist cause, all reliable sources agree that the Chartists were armed (and hence not simply "marchers") and no source states definitively that the soldiers within the hotel opened fire first, though some sources state the opposite, and the most reliable sources we have (e.g.,
David Jones's book) basically state that no-one knows who opened fire first. All sources also agree that the Chartists did fire on the troops in the hotel (Jones states that about 80 shots were fired on the hotel), so to term this a massacre of civilians or mere "marchers" again does not appear to fit with what the sources are telling us.
I've therefore changed references to "marchers" to "Chartists", added a section on what the sources say about who fired first, and added details of the Chartists firing to the article.
FOARP (
talk)
10:38, 7 October 2022 (UTC)