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In mailing addresses, "New York, New York" refers only to the county of New York (i.e. the Borough of Manhattan, which is composed of the island of Manhattan, other islands in the East River such as Roosevelt and Randall's Islands, and a very small section of the mainland called Marble Hill).— 128.59.229.164 ( talk • contribs) 15:35, 9 June 2004
The result of the debate was no move. -- tariqabjotu 01:37, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
New York, New York (disambiguation) → New York, New York — There is no primary meaning of this 4-word phrase. Georgia guy 01:25, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
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This requested move is a little thin on justification. Would someone (Georgia guy?) mind explaining it more? -- Yath 22:10, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
FWIW, re the preceding Move debate, few people outside the U.S. would refer to NYC as "New York, New York", unless as a deliberate nod to the song. The "city, state" convention it springs from is hardly recognised. Most people would assume the song and movie title was just reduplication akin to, say, Monday, Monday or Louie Louie . Not that I oppose the current nomenclature or want another vote or anything, just thought someone might like to know. jnestorius( talk) 07:12, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
11-July-09: I have added subheaders above as "Topics from 2004" (etc.) to emphasize the dates of topics in the talk-page. Older topics might still apply, but using the year headers helps to focus on more current issues as well. Afterward, I dated the unsigned comments and retro-named 3 entries (including "As a mailing address" & "Debate about requesting move in 2006") in date order from 2004. - Wikid77 ( talk) 17:19, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
11-July-2009: To clarify the wording, I have quoted the phrase (as the term "New York, New York"). Although quoting the title term is rare in disambiguation pages, the demarkation using the quotemarks will help to clearly indicate the phrase, rather than seem a text repeat of "New York". Also, quoting on the 1st line prevents the typesetting river of 2 consecutive lines each beginning with the repetition of "New York" (as a block of 4 repetitions). - Wikid77 ( talk) 17:19, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
Any problems on how the link on this page to the city article should be?? If you really think it's important for it to link to New York, New York as opposed to New York City, please put an HTML comment revealing the reason. Georgia guy ( talk) 01:20, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
Prior to 1898, 'New York, New York" could have only referred to New York City. Since then, it has had only one official definition, and that is for New York County, which is better known as the Borough of Manhattan.
In my experience growing up as a 4th generation Brooklynite, "New York, New York" always meant Manhattan. Not just in postal terms, but colloquially. My experience, of course, is not valid grounds with which to make editing decisions on Wikipedia. I mention it because it is no more, or less, valid than any attempt to assert that "New York, New York" is primarily used to define New York City. Such an assertation is devoid of fact, and reflects bias.
Given the unique nature of New York City, it seems inappropriate to force how Wikipedia represents it into a narrow taxonomic guideline. Do so seems to redefine New York City with Wikipedia as a kind of circular reference.
Rather than completely rehashing previous discussions, it is my view that the three dominant definitions of "New York, New York" be given equal weight at this time in this DAB page's lead. They are
NYCRuss ☎ 20:30, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
WP:COPYEDIT says:
New York is a noun, the name of a city, and New York is another, the name of a state. They do not together make one noun. Inglok ( talk) 09:54, 31 May 2013 (UTC)
Where does it say that a disambiguation page must start with a noun? Inglok ( talk) 10:30, 2 June 2013 (UTC)
I think finally you have fully revealed your argument. But it is flawed, and it is proved so by the opening sentence of the disambiguation page itself: "New York, New York, refers to New York City in the state of New York." The page doesn't refer to "New York, New York" as some very abstract subject. It is a city, in a state, and that much is clear from that sentence. If we were referring to it as something abstract, we would enclose it with quotation marks – I think this is what you were saying earlier – but this is not the case here.
I'm afraid the link in your last reply wasn't of any use. It doesn't shed any light on our disagreement at all.
I'll try to get an RfC going, but I admit I've never done it before. Inglok ( talk) 15:38, 3 June 2013 (UTC)
We generally don't pipe links in dis-ambiguation pages except to indicate links to songs or the like where we need to italicize or give quotation marks to the text the link forms but not the link itself. The first link in this dis-ambiguation page goes to New York City, and we want it clear from the text that that's where it should go. But User:DigbyDalton disagrees; they think that this link should be piped. Any thoughts anyone has here?? Georgia guy ( talk) 15:36, 15 December 2016 (UTC)
The Statue Of Liberty was a gift from France for the United State's 100th Birthday It was from a guy who planed it it took a lot of work for the workers to finish it. Tivian Yeung ( talk) 14:04, 4 May 2019 (UTC)
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In mailing addresses, "New York, New York" refers only to the county of New York (i.e. the Borough of Manhattan, which is composed of the island of Manhattan, other islands in the East River such as Roosevelt and Randall's Islands, and a very small section of the mainland called Marble Hill).— 128.59.229.164 ( talk • contribs) 15:35, 9 June 2004
The result of the debate was no move. -- tariqabjotu 01:37, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
New York, New York (disambiguation) → New York, New York — There is no primary meaning of this 4-word phrase. Georgia guy 01:25, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
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This requested move is a little thin on justification. Would someone (Georgia guy?) mind explaining it more? -- Yath 22:10, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
FWIW, re the preceding Move debate, few people outside the U.S. would refer to NYC as "New York, New York", unless as a deliberate nod to the song. The "city, state" convention it springs from is hardly recognised. Most people would assume the song and movie title was just reduplication akin to, say, Monday, Monday or Louie Louie . Not that I oppose the current nomenclature or want another vote or anything, just thought someone might like to know. jnestorius( talk) 07:12, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
11-July-09: I have added subheaders above as "Topics from 2004" (etc.) to emphasize the dates of topics in the talk-page. Older topics might still apply, but using the year headers helps to focus on more current issues as well. Afterward, I dated the unsigned comments and retro-named 3 entries (including "As a mailing address" & "Debate about requesting move in 2006") in date order from 2004. - Wikid77 ( talk) 17:19, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
11-July-2009: To clarify the wording, I have quoted the phrase (as the term "New York, New York"). Although quoting the title term is rare in disambiguation pages, the demarkation using the quotemarks will help to clearly indicate the phrase, rather than seem a text repeat of "New York". Also, quoting on the 1st line prevents the typesetting river of 2 consecutive lines each beginning with the repetition of "New York" (as a block of 4 repetitions). - Wikid77 ( talk) 17:19, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
Any problems on how the link on this page to the city article should be?? If you really think it's important for it to link to New York, New York as opposed to New York City, please put an HTML comment revealing the reason. Georgia guy ( talk) 01:20, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
Prior to 1898, 'New York, New York" could have only referred to New York City. Since then, it has had only one official definition, and that is for New York County, which is better known as the Borough of Manhattan.
In my experience growing up as a 4th generation Brooklynite, "New York, New York" always meant Manhattan. Not just in postal terms, but colloquially. My experience, of course, is not valid grounds with which to make editing decisions on Wikipedia. I mention it because it is no more, or less, valid than any attempt to assert that "New York, New York" is primarily used to define New York City. Such an assertation is devoid of fact, and reflects bias.
Given the unique nature of New York City, it seems inappropriate to force how Wikipedia represents it into a narrow taxonomic guideline. Do so seems to redefine New York City with Wikipedia as a kind of circular reference.
Rather than completely rehashing previous discussions, it is my view that the three dominant definitions of "New York, New York" be given equal weight at this time in this DAB page's lead. They are
NYCRuss ☎ 20:30, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
WP:COPYEDIT says:
New York is a noun, the name of a city, and New York is another, the name of a state. They do not together make one noun. Inglok ( talk) 09:54, 31 May 2013 (UTC)
Where does it say that a disambiguation page must start with a noun? Inglok ( talk) 10:30, 2 June 2013 (UTC)
I think finally you have fully revealed your argument. But it is flawed, and it is proved so by the opening sentence of the disambiguation page itself: "New York, New York, refers to New York City in the state of New York." The page doesn't refer to "New York, New York" as some very abstract subject. It is a city, in a state, and that much is clear from that sentence. If we were referring to it as something abstract, we would enclose it with quotation marks – I think this is what you were saying earlier – but this is not the case here.
I'm afraid the link in your last reply wasn't of any use. It doesn't shed any light on our disagreement at all.
I'll try to get an RfC going, but I admit I've never done it before. Inglok ( talk) 15:38, 3 June 2013 (UTC)
We generally don't pipe links in dis-ambiguation pages except to indicate links to songs or the like where we need to italicize or give quotation marks to the text the link forms but not the link itself. The first link in this dis-ambiguation page goes to New York City, and we want it clear from the text that that's where it should go. But User:DigbyDalton disagrees; they think that this link should be piped. Any thoughts anyone has here?? Georgia guy ( talk) 15:36, 15 December 2016 (UTC)
The Statue Of Liberty was a gift from France for the United State's 100th Birthday It was from a guy who planed it it took a lot of work for the workers to finish it. Tivian Yeung ( talk) 14:04, 4 May 2019 (UTC)