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The two photos seem oddly context-less. Can somebody please improve their captions and include material in the article to establish how they are notable (I assume they are some reaction of hardcore fans). They look weird and could be considered to also give WP:Undue weight here. Ingolfson 08:53, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
Was the third reference copied from another article? It's not showing up as containing any information. Willbyr ( talk | contribs) 04:46, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
I had an off-by-one reversion in trying to reinsert {{ peacock-inline}}. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 17:00, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
the ending of neon genesis evangelion was confusing for many including me looking at many discussions on this very topic i got many diffrent interpertations including ones such as when he got out of the pod he had learned to care for people other than himself so they were all there the people he cared about to congradulate him so they think that its in his head. another one is that hes dead and somewhere else. whatever the meaning the end is confusing overly so. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thekamakazi ( talk • contribs) 22:23, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
under the Other media the merchandise section doesn't seem to be very formal at all. It seems whoever authored it added side notes to try and be more humorous - just some random IP stoping in to try to bring some attention to a section in need of a quick review :P —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.162.138.200 ( talk • contribs)
It jsut means removing it in quote or list format, and describing it rather than putting it in some other format. Bread Ninja ( talk) 21:04, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
Is Lilith (hypothetical moon) mentioned in NGE? 70.51.8.158 ( talk) 06:02, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
As someone who has never seen anything from this series, I think this article needs to have a short, concise summary of what exactly the series is about.
The current assumption seems to be that everyone knows what it is already, so this very obvious thing is currently not in the article. Esn ( talk) 00:21, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
I know it was successful, but did it really make billions of dollars? Dream Focus ( talk) 01:23, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
can someone please put in articles about the evas like put in like links so u can read about unit 1 the rest of the evas lol ok well if some could maybe put it into the link thing down the bottom with characters, ok well it would make things so much easier cause iv been looking for like 1hr for a link so i can read about the evas well love and peace to all love Miko 121.210.246.36 ( talk) 12:56, 14 February 2009 (UTC) Miko 121.210.246.36 ( talk) 12:56, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
I think there´s a common mistake about the films and the way, there are mentioned. The article states, that there are 2 films, Death & Rebirth and The End of Evangelion, while it is in fact one film, that was sort of split due to time constraints. The original Death & Rebirth is a double feature, where Rebirth was intentended to be what is End of Evangelion today, but couldn´t be finifhed. The finished verion was later released as "End of Evangelion". "Revival" is the final edit of the movie(s). Even the Japanese DVD (look on amazon.co.jp) calls itself "Neon Genesis Evangelion The Feature Film" - singular. And does not contain Rebirth. I see it may be clutter, but I think it is worth mentioning it and maybe raorganize the template. 87.174.221.27 ( talk) 14:47, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
No, "Death & Rebirth" is as much "a film" as ReVival of Evangelion was, and I'd seriously argue for simply merging it as a subsection of "End of Evangelion"-- Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici ( talk) 18:12, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
i noticed that there is not one Neon Genesis Evangelion Article that has no side title. like (anime) or (manga) or stuff like that. for any article to have NGE (insert here) title there needs to be an article with the Title "neon Genesis Evangelion" by itself. I suggest we make the anime article "Neon Genesis Evangelion" by itself and making this article "Neon Genesis Evangelion (franchise)". Bread Ninja ( talk) 17:43, 14 December 2009 (UTC)
it's not really difficult. in order fora title to be called "title (franchise)" instead of just "Title" there needs to be the original title. the only reason why we use (insert here) is to differentiate two different titles, but that doesn't mean both titles get it. not to long ago there was a debate about changing kingdom hearts to kingdom hearts (video Game) and change the Kingdom hearts series into simply "Kingdom hearts", the proposal won and you can see the discussion there at Kingdom Hearts . maybe similar idea can come here?
well if you all deny then we'll just simply settle for NGE (franchise) instead Bread Ninja ( talk) 15:55, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
i'll play it safe and simply change it to (franchise). but if someone else supports then the change can still be made. Bread Ninja ( talk) 22:57, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
It says that the live action film is being distributed by Universal...Where's the source for this? rzrscm ( talk) 01:18, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
Potential developments; I've started a section at Talk:Gainax#Hideaki Anno.2FStudio Khara.2FNeon Genesis Evangelion leaving Gainax.3B predictions of doom to keep discussion and link collection centralized. -- Gwern (contribs) 08:07 6 July 2010 (GMT)
i understand it hasn't been released yet and may have been canceled. but it does have a lot of references to have it's own article. so does anyone think the live action film can sustain it's own article? Bread Ninja ( talk) 21:53, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
well seeing as how the film has yet to be officially i guess it's not worthy of an article. what happens if the project cancels though? do we remove all the news it got and just mention it was canceled?? Bread Ninja ( talk) 06:22, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
Could the Neon Genesis Evangelion timeline be merged into this article? -- Malkinann ( talk) 04:11, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
There is no point and it makes the article that much more in-univers. Also, how are is the merge going to look like? i've tried it before, and failed without disrupting the structure. It just can't be done without affecting the article negatively Bread Ninja ( talk) 05:01, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
If you can find a way to merge the timeline into the main article,let me know. - R.G. ( talk) 18:27, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
Is there any reason why this information should be kept. There just eisn't enough coverage on the timeline Bread Ninja ( talk) 21:29, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
She isn't commenting, either she's on a small break, or she's just satisfied that the article isn't being AfD. Bread Ninja ( talk) 09:52, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
Now, to continue the suggestion I made last year. It isn't particularly important where this goes. Clearly it would be a bad idea to try to stuff this into characters' pages, since then it's just 1 individual birthdate. We could merge it into this franchise page, since the timeline is generally respected: TV obviously follows it, D&R and EoE does, Ayanami Raising Project was already mentioned, and Rebuild seems to be mostly the same (although some things don't fit and suggest a 2017 setting rather than 2015). But we could also merge it into List of Neon Genesis Evangelion episodes (currently shorter than NGE TV, so better) because there nevertheless are those discrepancies.
One might think that this would bulge said article, but the chronology could be cut in half or more just by shifting to tables and not wasting so much whitespace in the current list format, and reduced even more by consolidating or cutting a few entries (eg. there are 2 lines for the MAGI, but it could just be one - 'planning finished & construct begun').
Or we could just not merge the article anywhere. Category:Fictional timelines is far from empty, after all. Call this OTHERSTUFFEXISTS if you life, but I think Eva is at least as worthwhile a chronology as Goodkind's terrifically terrible Tolkien-plagiarizing Shannara novels or the somewhat obscure Shadowrun games (in their extremely obscure pencil-and-paper RPG genre) or World of Greyhawk timeline (which I hadn't even heard of, which I could at least say for Shadowrun, Dr. Who, Dragonlance), and while Eva may not be as successful a Japanese franchise as Gundam is, it is, I think, more successful than Kerberos. -- Gwern (contribs) 00:29 30 October 2010 (GMT)
I don't see a good reason to merge the timeline here. I think that the timeline article should be deleted because it is not notable according to WP:FICT (it hasn't received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject). It's been already some days since the last comment so I believe that it's time to close the proposed merger unless someone else has anything to add. Jfgslo ( talk) 15:01, 3 November 2010 (UTC)
AS you may see, there is a large mamount of quotes, and some (if not most) would say has an excessive ammount of them in NGE articles to a point where it's not very encclopedic. Although i believe almost all the quotes need to be removed and only summaries to save time reading and more on the point, and in a more presentable structure. I only took out the obvious ones, and if more are willing to listen, i will probably add more until almsot all of them.
heres a few:
^^clearly, not necessary to be in quote format. Just a list of media. it's rather useless as a quote.
^^the first one really needs to be cut into the main idea. it strays away from the main idea with the first sentence. the rest just need to be summarized, remove the block quotes, and cut the quotes to pieces. But still, needs to be summarize and more presentable.
^^the first quote is by anno himself, and very difficult to understand, so again, i request summarization to just get the idea. second one is off his biography, which really weakens the reason why it's in quote format.
I also request this one summarized. in the airing section a huge quote that i really dont see much justifying it from how the first sentence introduced it. Plus it doesn't really seem that much related to the airing, other than this one bit. So if the idea was to just get that one bit, i think cutting off the rest and just mention that one piece mainly relation t othe airing setion.
feel free to disagree, give a good reason why they shouldn't (related to wikipedia). Bread Ninja ( talk) 08:24, 2 November 2010 (UTC)
Make it easier for people to reply. i number my comments in the order of your replies 1)Who said we need to make it a list? It's practically undue weight, just to have a long list of media just because someone notable pointed it out. i'm saying we can trim it down and mention it had wide variety of media 2)No clarity will be lost. we need to stick to the main idea, not try to go into intricate detail. 3)either way, like i've said before, it's very difficult to understand the first one and the autobiography, well it's still in third person, and we should really just describe it, instead of quoting everything. 4)but that's not much related to airing, more to production. Bread Ninja ( talk) 21:21, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
It seems to me there should be some discussion about the following under the "After the Series" section:
I don't feel this is entirely accurate. While no one could argue that Anno et al wouldn't have made something different, certainly more lavish, if they had the budget to do so when creating the original episodes 25 & 26, and that it is clear that several plot elements in The End of Evangelion were foreshadowed or hinted at in the series ending and that were intended to be more obvious originally, like they were in The End of Evangelion, the truth is that The End of Evangelion can't rightly be considered "what they originally intended."
It's obvious from watching The End of Evangelion that newer events, such as the reaction to the original ending, had a profound impact on Hideaki Anno, and that his anti-Otaku sentiments had been greatly inflamed. Aside from that, there's just no way to really know how different it could be from what they would have originally done.
So in truth we have "Ending 0", the ending Gainax would have made in the first place if they'd had a greater budget, "Ending 1", the original episodes 25 & 26, and "Ending 2," The End of Evangelion.
Whether you prefer one ending or the other or view them as complementary is between you and your god. I'm just saying it's inaccurate to portray The End of Evangelion as "what the creators originally intended," and I also think it does a disservice to "Do you love me? / A World That's Ending" and "Take care of yourself. / The Beast that Shouted "I" at the Heart of the World". I thought I'd confer with all concerned before just going and editing the article, though. Maybe we can brainstorm alternatives. DragonGuyver ( talk) 09:19, 4 November 2010 (UTC)
I have noticed alot of overlap in covering "media" with this article and "List of Neon Genesis Evangelion media." I feel that there should be one article for this, rather than two separate ones, like you see with almost every other media franchise page (Star Wars, Ghost in the Shell, ect). With some rewriting and editing, I think we can keep such a long list of merchandise readable even to series novices. Questions or complaints? Ode2joy ( talk) 12:46, 22 February 2012 (UTC)
I was wondering if anyone has read "Evangelion: Re-Take?" It is absolutely breathtaking, and is just as good as every bit as good as the series and the movies. While unofficial, it does serve as a fantastic follow-up to End of Evangelion. Asuka's original voice actress Yuko Miyamura is known to have read "Re-Take." I hope that someday it gets an official release and/or gets animated. zictor23 ( talk) 20:, 27 February 2012 (UTC)
Hi Gwerne,
I didn’t realise that you knew about “Retake” until I looked at your response to one of my posts. I’ve been on that page you gave me a link to: its a great summary of the doujnishi. Like me, do you think that it would be great to see this get an official manga release and/or get animated? I’ve read that “Retake” is very popular amongst fans, so it would be a shame if this didn’t happen at some point. I liked the happy endings that the author gave for both Shinji and Asuka in both of those different Earths, with Shinji and Asuka marrying each other and having a daughter in one reality, and post-Third impact Shinji and Asuka in the other now aware of their feelings for each other and staying together. I also liked the message of hope that was given towards the end of post-Third Impact Shinji and Asuka's story, with that little girl rising out of the sea, as it suggested that more humans would eventually return.
Also Gwerne, do you know if anyone else who worked on the original series and currently works on “Rebuild” (including Hideaki Anno) has read “Retake?” It would be interesting to know what they think of it, including Yuko Miyamura. zictor23 ( talk) 22:32, 27 February 2012 (UTC)
Hi Gwern,
I learnt that Yuko Miyamura had read “Re-Take” on this forum: http://myanimelist.net/clubs.php?cid=19580
Unfortunately, the person who posted this information didn’t say where he/she got this information from, nor what Yuko Miyamura thought of it. I like to think that she enjoyed it, seeing as though things ended up happily for Asuka on both Earths. While unofficial, it does stand out as a superb sequel to End of Evangelion. I think that the writer did a fantastic job. It’s sad to think that it may never get an official release and/or get animated, but perhaps if enough fans demand it, it might actually happen. I think that it provided a very happy ending for Shinji and Asuka, together with a number of the other characters in the alternate Earth (things ended up happily for Shinji and Asuka on the two Earths).
zictor23 ( talk) 18:15, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
I will. How I would LOVE to see Re-Take get an official release and/or get animated, as it serves as a fantastic follow-up to the End of Evangelion. zictor23 ( talk) 17:59, 01 March 2012 (UTC)
Hi Gwerne,
I saw recently that you put on the EvaGeeks website that information I added on Wikipedia regarding Yuko Miyamura having apparently read Re-Take. I felt that that was a really nice compliment. It will good to find out someday whether or not Yuko miyamura actually read Re-Take.
Also, Dream Focus, thank you for tahat link you sent me to your article on Re-Take. I wouldn't actually mind creating a new article about it on Wikipedia someday, if I find the time. Even though it is an unofficial sequel to EoE, I think it would be good to have more people find out about it. zictor23 ( talk) 11:32, 06 March 2012 (UTC)
Following on from my last post, and after watching Evangelion and reading Evangelion: Re-Take, I was interested to find out exactly what Yuko Miyamura and Tiffany Grant (Asuka’s Japanese and American voice actresses, respectively) thought about Shinji and Asuka’s feelings. I think I got my answer the other day when looking at a Yahoo fan site for Tiffany Grant (which she also visits, posting comments and responding to questions from fans). Based on her various comments, it seems that she strongly dislikes the idea of Shinji and Asuka being together, and didn’t think that Asuka had any romantic feelings for Shinji at all.
I found all this surprising, because I thought that as the character’s voice actress she would have realized that Asuka liked Shinji (but couldn’t openly admit it) and wanted to be with him. I was just wondering what other fans thought about all this? These are some comments I published yesterday about this on the Tiffany Grant talk page:
“I could have misread this, but she seemed to imply in one post that Yuko Miyamura feels the same way as her about Shinji and Asuka, when she jokingly tells this guy that she told Ms. Miyamura about these "sick" things he said about Shinji and Asuka being meant for each other, and she apparently agreed with her. It makes me wonder if Tiffany Grant's opinions on this have changed now, together with Yuko Miyamura's thoughts, if she actually does feel the same way. “ “I found a link to one of Tiffany Grant's comments that confirms what I said earlier. I'm not sure why, but she seems to think that Asuka never had any romantic feelings for Shinji, and simply loathed him:”
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tiffanygrantfanclub/message/1290
“The way I understood it, Asuka hid her feelings from Shinji. I think that the final scene from EoE, with Asuka gently stroking Shinji's face, is probably one of the closest indications of her feelings for him.” In one of other posts, however, she does seem to suggest that Shinji and Asuka make a good pairing (found on this link: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tiffanygrantfanclub/message/5730):
“My take on it is that Asuka and Shinji kind of have a 'brother/sister' kind of thing going on. They share some deep bonds, having fought together and saved each other's lives, each has deep emotional wounds, but are not (by the end of the series) romantic. Though I do think that when Asuka is ready to move to a romantic relationship (not the childish fascination she has with Kaji) she might go to Shinji first, since they share so much in common.”
Interestingly, during an anime convention in Australia last year, it turned out that both Yuko Miyamura and Tiffany Grant thought that Shinji should end up together with Mari in Rebuild of Evangelion. You can read about it on this link:
http://forum.evageeks.org/post/472110/Asuka-is-coming-to-Australia/
Personally, I'd prefer a Shinji/Asuka ending. It'll be interesting to see how things turn out in Rebuild, seeing as though it takes palace in an alternate universe and taking into account the fact that it is apparently going to have a completely different ending to EoE. zictor23 ( talk) 23:40, 06 March 2012 (UTC)
Hi Gwern,
Sorry it took a while to get back to you. Did you mean that post where Tiffany Grant said that Yuko Miyamura agreed with her in regards to her thoughts on Shinji/Asuka? If so, here is the link: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tiffanygrantfanclub/message/5699
The “sick things” that I think that Tiffany Grant were referring to these comments made by this one fan about Shinji and Asuka being meant for each other. Maybe I’m reading it incorrectly, but she seemed to be implying that Yuko Miyamura also disliked the thought of Shinji and Asuka ending up together, despite the fact that that is what I think the scriptwriters were working towards. Some may disagree with me, but I felt that the ending of EoE implied that Shinji and Asuka would have a life together, however difficult that they may be on the post-Third Impact Earth. As least there is a chance that other humans would return, perhaps even Misato, considering the fact that Asuka had returned to life.
Despite this, in a later post ( http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tiffanygrantfanclub/message/5730) she did seem sympathetic to Shinji and Asuka becoming a couple.
I remember reading the 'kimochi warui' story Gwern. However, I didn’t know that it was only a year or two ago that she realized that Hideaki Anno was referring to THAT scene from EoE!
You probably know this already Gwern, but there are actually references to the 'kimochi warui' scene in “Re-Take.” Asuka actually says “I feel sick” at one point, and in another scene, she recalls to God (actually her future daughter) how Shinji “defiled” her, thinking that he only pretends to worship her.
Lord, how I would love to see that get an official release someday. I think that, if enough fans demand it, then there is always a chance of that happening. It would also be great to find out if Hidaeki Anno or anyone else who worked on the original series (and currently on “Rebuild”) have read it. If I ever do, I’ll post that information on this talk page. zictor23 ( talk) 22:40, 10 March 2012 (UTC)
The other day, I added a link to an English translation of the all-ages version of Evangelion: Re-Take. I hope that other Evangelion fans who possibly haven't read it yet will enjoy it as much as I did. Its nice that Azuma Takeshi (of Studio Kimigabuchi) continued the story from "The End of Evangelion." zictor23 ( talk) 12:35, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
Hi everyone,
I came across this link today:
http://forum.evageeks.org/thread/4918/Have-you-met-any-of-the-voice-actors-or-actresses/
Zeak (an Eva fan who attempted to make a fan animated adaptation of Re-Take) met Spike Spencer a few years ago, and apparently he has read Re-Take. I wonder if that is true, and what his thoughts were on it?
Also, Yuko Miyamura and Tiffany Grant both said "No!" when asked if either of them felt for Shinji. Personally, I felt for Shinji. In my opinion, he was a tragic character, and one should feel sympathy for him, not detest him. zictor23 ( talk) 12:02, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
I understand what you mean, Lucia Black, from looking at the other posts which relate to article content. But I don't think that other people who responded to my questions or comments (such as Gwern and Dream Focus) minded. I just felt that the discussion page was a good place to bring the things up that I have done, and I have got feedback, which is nice. zictor23 ( talk) 12:39, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
Is there any evidence to support the last part of this story about Robin Williams being a fan and intentionally putting the mistaken line in the movie One Hour Photo? Like a reference to a DVD commentary? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.126.25.46 ( talk) 23:15, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
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The two photos seem oddly context-less. Can somebody please improve their captions and include material in the article to establish how they are notable (I assume they are some reaction of hardcore fans). They look weird and could be considered to also give WP:Undue weight here. Ingolfson 08:53, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
Was the third reference copied from another article? It's not showing up as containing any information. Willbyr ( talk | contribs) 04:46, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
I had an off-by-one reversion in trying to reinsert {{ peacock-inline}}. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 17:00, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
the ending of neon genesis evangelion was confusing for many including me looking at many discussions on this very topic i got many diffrent interpertations including ones such as when he got out of the pod he had learned to care for people other than himself so they were all there the people he cared about to congradulate him so they think that its in his head. another one is that hes dead and somewhere else. whatever the meaning the end is confusing overly so. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thekamakazi ( talk • contribs) 22:23, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
under the Other media the merchandise section doesn't seem to be very formal at all. It seems whoever authored it added side notes to try and be more humorous - just some random IP stoping in to try to bring some attention to a section in need of a quick review :P —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.162.138.200 ( talk • contribs)
It jsut means removing it in quote or list format, and describing it rather than putting it in some other format. Bread Ninja ( talk) 21:04, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
Is Lilith (hypothetical moon) mentioned in NGE? 70.51.8.158 ( talk) 06:02, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
As someone who has never seen anything from this series, I think this article needs to have a short, concise summary of what exactly the series is about.
The current assumption seems to be that everyone knows what it is already, so this very obvious thing is currently not in the article. Esn ( talk) 00:21, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
I know it was successful, but did it really make billions of dollars? Dream Focus ( talk) 01:23, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
can someone please put in articles about the evas like put in like links so u can read about unit 1 the rest of the evas lol ok well if some could maybe put it into the link thing down the bottom with characters, ok well it would make things so much easier cause iv been looking for like 1hr for a link so i can read about the evas well love and peace to all love Miko 121.210.246.36 ( talk) 12:56, 14 February 2009 (UTC) Miko 121.210.246.36 ( talk) 12:56, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
I think there´s a common mistake about the films and the way, there are mentioned. The article states, that there are 2 films, Death & Rebirth and The End of Evangelion, while it is in fact one film, that was sort of split due to time constraints. The original Death & Rebirth is a double feature, where Rebirth was intentended to be what is End of Evangelion today, but couldn´t be finifhed. The finished verion was later released as "End of Evangelion". "Revival" is the final edit of the movie(s). Even the Japanese DVD (look on amazon.co.jp) calls itself "Neon Genesis Evangelion The Feature Film" - singular. And does not contain Rebirth. I see it may be clutter, but I think it is worth mentioning it and maybe raorganize the template. 87.174.221.27 ( talk) 14:47, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
No, "Death & Rebirth" is as much "a film" as ReVival of Evangelion was, and I'd seriously argue for simply merging it as a subsection of "End of Evangelion"-- Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici ( talk) 18:12, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
i noticed that there is not one Neon Genesis Evangelion Article that has no side title. like (anime) or (manga) or stuff like that. for any article to have NGE (insert here) title there needs to be an article with the Title "neon Genesis Evangelion" by itself. I suggest we make the anime article "Neon Genesis Evangelion" by itself and making this article "Neon Genesis Evangelion (franchise)". Bread Ninja ( talk) 17:43, 14 December 2009 (UTC)
it's not really difficult. in order fora title to be called "title (franchise)" instead of just "Title" there needs to be the original title. the only reason why we use (insert here) is to differentiate two different titles, but that doesn't mean both titles get it. not to long ago there was a debate about changing kingdom hearts to kingdom hearts (video Game) and change the Kingdom hearts series into simply "Kingdom hearts", the proposal won and you can see the discussion there at Kingdom Hearts . maybe similar idea can come here?
well if you all deny then we'll just simply settle for NGE (franchise) instead Bread Ninja ( talk) 15:55, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
i'll play it safe and simply change it to (franchise). but if someone else supports then the change can still be made. Bread Ninja ( talk) 22:57, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
It says that the live action film is being distributed by Universal...Where's the source for this? rzrscm ( talk) 01:18, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
Potential developments; I've started a section at Talk:Gainax#Hideaki Anno.2FStudio Khara.2FNeon Genesis Evangelion leaving Gainax.3B predictions of doom to keep discussion and link collection centralized. -- Gwern (contribs) 08:07 6 July 2010 (GMT)
i understand it hasn't been released yet and may have been canceled. but it does have a lot of references to have it's own article. so does anyone think the live action film can sustain it's own article? Bread Ninja ( talk) 21:53, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
well seeing as how the film has yet to be officially i guess it's not worthy of an article. what happens if the project cancels though? do we remove all the news it got and just mention it was canceled?? Bread Ninja ( talk) 06:22, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
Could the Neon Genesis Evangelion timeline be merged into this article? -- Malkinann ( talk) 04:11, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
There is no point and it makes the article that much more in-univers. Also, how are is the merge going to look like? i've tried it before, and failed without disrupting the structure. It just can't be done without affecting the article negatively Bread Ninja ( talk) 05:01, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
If you can find a way to merge the timeline into the main article,let me know. - R.G. ( talk) 18:27, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
Is there any reason why this information should be kept. There just eisn't enough coverage on the timeline Bread Ninja ( talk) 21:29, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
She isn't commenting, either she's on a small break, or she's just satisfied that the article isn't being AfD. Bread Ninja ( talk) 09:52, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
Now, to continue the suggestion I made last year. It isn't particularly important where this goes. Clearly it would be a bad idea to try to stuff this into characters' pages, since then it's just 1 individual birthdate. We could merge it into this franchise page, since the timeline is generally respected: TV obviously follows it, D&R and EoE does, Ayanami Raising Project was already mentioned, and Rebuild seems to be mostly the same (although some things don't fit and suggest a 2017 setting rather than 2015). But we could also merge it into List of Neon Genesis Evangelion episodes (currently shorter than NGE TV, so better) because there nevertheless are those discrepancies.
One might think that this would bulge said article, but the chronology could be cut in half or more just by shifting to tables and not wasting so much whitespace in the current list format, and reduced even more by consolidating or cutting a few entries (eg. there are 2 lines for the MAGI, but it could just be one - 'planning finished & construct begun').
Or we could just not merge the article anywhere. Category:Fictional timelines is far from empty, after all. Call this OTHERSTUFFEXISTS if you life, but I think Eva is at least as worthwhile a chronology as Goodkind's terrifically terrible Tolkien-plagiarizing Shannara novels or the somewhat obscure Shadowrun games (in their extremely obscure pencil-and-paper RPG genre) or World of Greyhawk timeline (which I hadn't even heard of, which I could at least say for Shadowrun, Dr. Who, Dragonlance), and while Eva may not be as successful a Japanese franchise as Gundam is, it is, I think, more successful than Kerberos. -- Gwern (contribs) 00:29 30 October 2010 (GMT)
I don't see a good reason to merge the timeline here. I think that the timeline article should be deleted because it is not notable according to WP:FICT (it hasn't received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject). It's been already some days since the last comment so I believe that it's time to close the proposed merger unless someone else has anything to add. Jfgslo ( talk) 15:01, 3 November 2010 (UTC)
AS you may see, there is a large mamount of quotes, and some (if not most) would say has an excessive ammount of them in NGE articles to a point where it's not very encclopedic. Although i believe almost all the quotes need to be removed and only summaries to save time reading and more on the point, and in a more presentable structure. I only took out the obvious ones, and if more are willing to listen, i will probably add more until almsot all of them.
heres a few:
^^clearly, not necessary to be in quote format. Just a list of media. it's rather useless as a quote.
^^the first one really needs to be cut into the main idea. it strays away from the main idea with the first sentence. the rest just need to be summarized, remove the block quotes, and cut the quotes to pieces. But still, needs to be summarize and more presentable.
^^the first quote is by anno himself, and very difficult to understand, so again, i request summarization to just get the idea. second one is off his biography, which really weakens the reason why it's in quote format.
I also request this one summarized. in the airing section a huge quote that i really dont see much justifying it from how the first sentence introduced it. Plus it doesn't really seem that much related to the airing, other than this one bit. So if the idea was to just get that one bit, i think cutting off the rest and just mention that one piece mainly relation t othe airing setion.
feel free to disagree, give a good reason why they shouldn't (related to wikipedia). Bread Ninja ( talk) 08:24, 2 November 2010 (UTC)
Make it easier for people to reply. i number my comments in the order of your replies 1)Who said we need to make it a list? It's practically undue weight, just to have a long list of media just because someone notable pointed it out. i'm saying we can trim it down and mention it had wide variety of media 2)No clarity will be lost. we need to stick to the main idea, not try to go into intricate detail. 3)either way, like i've said before, it's very difficult to understand the first one and the autobiography, well it's still in third person, and we should really just describe it, instead of quoting everything. 4)but that's not much related to airing, more to production. Bread Ninja ( talk) 21:21, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
It seems to me there should be some discussion about the following under the "After the Series" section:
I don't feel this is entirely accurate. While no one could argue that Anno et al wouldn't have made something different, certainly more lavish, if they had the budget to do so when creating the original episodes 25 & 26, and that it is clear that several plot elements in The End of Evangelion were foreshadowed or hinted at in the series ending and that were intended to be more obvious originally, like they were in The End of Evangelion, the truth is that The End of Evangelion can't rightly be considered "what they originally intended."
It's obvious from watching The End of Evangelion that newer events, such as the reaction to the original ending, had a profound impact on Hideaki Anno, and that his anti-Otaku sentiments had been greatly inflamed. Aside from that, there's just no way to really know how different it could be from what they would have originally done.
So in truth we have "Ending 0", the ending Gainax would have made in the first place if they'd had a greater budget, "Ending 1", the original episodes 25 & 26, and "Ending 2," The End of Evangelion.
Whether you prefer one ending or the other or view them as complementary is between you and your god. I'm just saying it's inaccurate to portray The End of Evangelion as "what the creators originally intended," and I also think it does a disservice to "Do you love me? / A World That's Ending" and "Take care of yourself. / The Beast that Shouted "I" at the Heart of the World". I thought I'd confer with all concerned before just going and editing the article, though. Maybe we can brainstorm alternatives. DragonGuyver ( talk) 09:19, 4 November 2010 (UTC)
I have noticed alot of overlap in covering "media" with this article and "List of Neon Genesis Evangelion media." I feel that there should be one article for this, rather than two separate ones, like you see with almost every other media franchise page (Star Wars, Ghost in the Shell, ect). With some rewriting and editing, I think we can keep such a long list of merchandise readable even to series novices. Questions or complaints? Ode2joy ( talk) 12:46, 22 February 2012 (UTC)
I was wondering if anyone has read "Evangelion: Re-Take?" It is absolutely breathtaking, and is just as good as every bit as good as the series and the movies. While unofficial, it does serve as a fantastic follow-up to End of Evangelion. Asuka's original voice actress Yuko Miyamura is known to have read "Re-Take." I hope that someday it gets an official release and/or gets animated. zictor23 ( talk) 20:, 27 February 2012 (UTC)
Hi Gwerne,
I didn’t realise that you knew about “Retake” until I looked at your response to one of my posts. I’ve been on that page you gave me a link to: its a great summary of the doujnishi. Like me, do you think that it would be great to see this get an official manga release and/or get animated? I’ve read that “Retake” is very popular amongst fans, so it would be a shame if this didn’t happen at some point. I liked the happy endings that the author gave for both Shinji and Asuka in both of those different Earths, with Shinji and Asuka marrying each other and having a daughter in one reality, and post-Third impact Shinji and Asuka in the other now aware of their feelings for each other and staying together. I also liked the message of hope that was given towards the end of post-Third Impact Shinji and Asuka's story, with that little girl rising out of the sea, as it suggested that more humans would eventually return.
Also Gwerne, do you know if anyone else who worked on the original series and currently works on “Rebuild” (including Hideaki Anno) has read “Retake?” It would be interesting to know what they think of it, including Yuko Miyamura. zictor23 ( talk) 22:32, 27 February 2012 (UTC)
Hi Gwern,
I learnt that Yuko Miyamura had read “Re-Take” on this forum: http://myanimelist.net/clubs.php?cid=19580
Unfortunately, the person who posted this information didn’t say where he/she got this information from, nor what Yuko Miyamura thought of it. I like to think that she enjoyed it, seeing as though things ended up happily for Asuka on both Earths. While unofficial, it does stand out as a superb sequel to End of Evangelion. I think that the writer did a fantastic job. It’s sad to think that it may never get an official release and/or get animated, but perhaps if enough fans demand it, it might actually happen. I think that it provided a very happy ending for Shinji and Asuka, together with a number of the other characters in the alternate Earth (things ended up happily for Shinji and Asuka on the two Earths).
zictor23 ( talk) 18:15, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
I will. How I would LOVE to see Re-Take get an official release and/or get animated, as it serves as a fantastic follow-up to the End of Evangelion. zictor23 ( talk) 17:59, 01 March 2012 (UTC)
Hi Gwerne,
I saw recently that you put on the EvaGeeks website that information I added on Wikipedia regarding Yuko Miyamura having apparently read Re-Take. I felt that that was a really nice compliment. It will good to find out someday whether or not Yuko miyamura actually read Re-Take.
Also, Dream Focus, thank you for tahat link you sent me to your article on Re-Take. I wouldn't actually mind creating a new article about it on Wikipedia someday, if I find the time. Even though it is an unofficial sequel to EoE, I think it would be good to have more people find out about it. zictor23 ( talk) 11:32, 06 March 2012 (UTC)
Following on from my last post, and after watching Evangelion and reading Evangelion: Re-Take, I was interested to find out exactly what Yuko Miyamura and Tiffany Grant (Asuka’s Japanese and American voice actresses, respectively) thought about Shinji and Asuka’s feelings. I think I got my answer the other day when looking at a Yahoo fan site for Tiffany Grant (which she also visits, posting comments and responding to questions from fans). Based on her various comments, it seems that she strongly dislikes the idea of Shinji and Asuka being together, and didn’t think that Asuka had any romantic feelings for Shinji at all.
I found all this surprising, because I thought that as the character’s voice actress she would have realized that Asuka liked Shinji (but couldn’t openly admit it) and wanted to be with him. I was just wondering what other fans thought about all this? These are some comments I published yesterday about this on the Tiffany Grant talk page:
“I could have misread this, but she seemed to imply in one post that Yuko Miyamura feels the same way as her about Shinji and Asuka, when she jokingly tells this guy that she told Ms. Miyamura about these "sick" things he said about Shinji and Asuka being meant for each other, and she apparently agreed with her. It makes me wonder if Tiffany Grant's opinions on this have changed now, together with Yuko Miyamura's thoughts, if she actually does feel the same way. “ “I found a link to one of Tiffany Grant's comments that confirms what I said earlier. I'm not sure why, but she seems to think that Asuka never had any romantic feelings for Shinji, and simply loathed him:”
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tiffanygrantfanclub/message/1290
“The way I understood it, Asuka hid her feelings from Shinji. I think that the final scene from EoE, with Asuka gently stroking Shinji's face, is probably one of the closest indications of her feelings for him.” In one of other posts, however, she does seem to suggest that Shinji and Asuka make a good pairing (found on this link: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tiffanygrantfanclub/message/5730):
“My take on it is that Asuka and Shinji kind of have a 'brother/sister' kind of thing going on. They share some deep bonds, having fought together and saved each other's lives, each has deep emotional wounds, but are not (by the end of the series) romantic. Though I do think that when Asuka is ready to move to a romantic relationship (not the childish fascination she has with Kaji) she might go to Shinji first, since they share so much in common.”
Interestingly, during an anime convention in Australia last year, it turned out that both Yuko Miyamura and Tiffany Grant thought that Shinji should end up together with Mari in Rebuild of Evangelion. You can read about it on this link:
http://forum.evageeks.org/post/472110/Asuka-is-coming-to-Australia/
Personally, I'd prefer a Shinji/Asuka ending. It'll be interesting to see how things turn out in Rebuild, seeing as though it takes palace in an alternate universe and taking into account the fact that it is apparently going to have a completely different ending to EoE. zictor23 ( talk) 23:40, 06 March 2012 (UTC)
Hi Gwern,
Sorry it took a while to get back to you. Did you mean that post where Tiffany Grant said that Yuko Miyamura agreed with her in regards to her thoughts on Shinji/Asuka? If so, here is the link: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tiffanygrantfanclub/message/5699
The “sick things” that I think that Tiffany Grant were referring to these comments made by this one fan about Shinji and Asuka being meant for each other. Maybe I’m reading it incorrectly, but she seemed to be implying that Yuko Miyamura also disliked the thought of Shinji and Asuka ending up together, despite the fact that that is what I think the scriptwriters were working towards. Some may disagree with me, but I felt that the ending of EoE implied that Shinji and Asuka would have a life together, however difficult that they may be on the post-Third Impact Earth. As least there is a chance that other humans would return, perhaps even Misato, considering the fact that Asuka had returned to life.
Despite this, in a later post ( http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tiffanygrantfanclub/message/5730) she did seem sympathetic to Shinji and Asuka becoming a couple.
I remember reading the 'kimochi warui' story Gwern. However, I didn’t know that it was only a year or two ago that she realized that Hideaki Anno was referring to THAT scene from EoE!
You probably know this already Gwern, but there are actually references to the 'kimochi warui' scene in “Re-Take.” Asuka actually says “I feel sick” at one point, and in another scene, she recalls to God (actually her future daughter) how Shinji “defiled” her, thinking that he only pretends to worship her.
Lord, how I would love to see that get an official release someday. I think that, if enough fans demand it, then there is always a chance of that happening. It would also be great to find out if Hidaeki Anno or anyone else who worked on the original series (and currently on “Rebuild”) have read it. If I ever do, I’ll post that information on this talk page. zictor23 ( talk) 22:40, 10 March 2012 (UTC)
The other day, I added a link to an English translation of the all-ages version of Evangelion: Re-Take. I hope that other Evangelion fans who possibly haven't read it yet will enjoy it as much as I did. Its nice that Azuma Takeshi (of Studio Kimigabuchi) continued the story from "The End of Evangelion." zictor23 ( talk) 12:35, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
Hi everyone,
I came across this link today:
http://forum.evageeks.org/thread/4918/Have-you-met-any-of-the-voice-actors-or-actresses/
Zeak (an Eva fan who attempted to make a fan animated adaptation of Re-Take) met Spike Spencer a few years ago, and apparently he has read Re-Take. I wonder if that is true, and what his thoughts were on it?
Also, Yuko Miyamura and Tiffany Grant both said "No!" when asked if either of them felt for Shinji. Personally, I felt for Shinji. In my opinion, he was a tragic character, and one should feel sympathy for him, not detest him. zictor23 ( talk) 12:02, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
I understand what you mean, Lucia Black, from looking at the other posts which relate to article content. But I don't think that other people who responded to my questions or comments (such as Gwern and Dream Focus) minded. I just felt that the discussion page was a good place to bring the things up that I have done, and I have got feedback, which is nice. zictor23 ( talk) 12:39, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
Is there any evidence to support the last part of this story about Robin Williams being a fan and intentionally putting the mistaken line in the movie One Hour Photo? Like a reference to a DVD commentary? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.126.25.46 ( talk) 23:15, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
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