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I ask the permission to add section regarding radical difference in Western/English localization of the game, please. Greener Meaner Green Goblin ( talk) 16:36, 30 April 2022 (UTC)
Didn't post any player/forum source, so I don't see where's the problem. It's obvious that sources can present screenshots of people on social media lamenting/showing a problem/topic showing also photos and screenshots, but that doesn't make the sources unreliable, since many considered reliable sources used on Wikipedia (along with the content in articles' sections) mention/talk about topics or problems discussed on the Internet, nor makes them forum sites. Greener Meaner Green Goblin ( talk) 21:02, 30 April 2022 (UTC)
In fact they are not social media sources. I already said it. Greener Meaner Green Goblin ( talk) 01:10, 1 May 2022 (UTC)
No, I said I would have used sources that could MENTION social media, like many others do. And no, not direct players' feedback or forum sites, I said it. Please, I'm getting tired. Also because is late night where I live. Greener Meaner Green Goblin ( talk) 01:36, 1 May 2022 (UTC)
Got it? Greener Meaner Green Goblin ( talk) 13:51, 1 May 2022 (UTC)
Responding to the following post-edit message: "Read our policy on WP:RS., there's no evidence of being a reliable source."
No offense and I really don't want to seem or be disrespectful or in bad faith, but if we put it that way, as I said, I don't see evidence of Sankaku Complex being a non-reliable source either, and I could say the same about many mainstream and official sources (like journals) considered reliable and acceptable/accepted on Wikipedia that also wrote and even still write false or inaccurate information or articles with biased tones, even about pop-culture. Plus, as I said, I saw other articles written by Sankaku Complex on Wikipedia either in English and other languages (like Japanese, Italian, Spanish and French Wikis), and I don't remind it being even among the deprecated sources. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Greener Meaner Green Goblin ( talk • contribs) 17:54, 1 May 2022 (UTC)
"As with other Japanese video games released in the last year," would need a citation. "Modern western progressive politics" is clearly intended to invoke feelings that Japan's politics do not have any of these things, and is very indicative of someone fetishizing Japan over an image of it that exists only in their head. It is also, y'know, a pretty vague and subjective comment to make and doesn't fit Wikipedia's guidelines. "Not typical of Japanese culture and society" my dude, video games aren't typical Japanese culture. "The characters would also[...]" this is just poorly written. NarkySawtooth ( talk) 22:20, 1 May 2022 (UTC)
As I already explained, anti-capitalism, cultural appropriation references and French anarchist socialism and related propaganda (either in pop-culture and in real life in Japan) is not typical or normal in Japanese culture and society (and they're even clearly in contrast to them), it's simply a cultural fact (something you can understand also from the original Japanese localization and voice-acting). And yes, videogames are typical Japanese culture if those videogames are made in Japan and reflects and are made to reflect Japanese culture, same for manga and anime. And yes, still talking about "poorly written", I wrote "would" and/or "would have" to maintain a neutral tone, and these alterations in translation/localization happened to other Japanese videogames recently in the West, so? Greener Meaner Green Goblin ( talk) 17:36, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
Again and again, you, Narkysawtooth, still saying it's a Twitter source knowing exactly is not true, and no, there's no mention anywhere about changes in localization for 'copyright reasons', and still you didn't debunk the fact that the things I mentioned before are not part of Japanese culture and society. And we're talking about radical changes and differences between Japanese and Western localizations, and the original game does not have any anti-capitalist quote, in fact the game itself is all but anti-capitalist, it's not "every little objection" material (we're on 4Kids levels here), if you don't know Japanese that's a problem of yours and shouldn't certainly be an excuse to keep me or anyone else from posting the section. And even if it were a Google Translate or any other translator taken translation, I'm sure no translator would ever confuse "Why would someone put up a picture of 104 like that? What a lack of taste!" with "Is this supposed to be 104? Uh-uh, we aren’t glorifying capitalism on my watch! Time to spray over it!", like they were similar or the same phrase, no translator is so broken. Oh, and by the way, よい試み. And OceanHok, I already said before that I changed the title and content to not include the word 'controversy' to focus primarily on the difference in localizations. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Greener Meaner Green Goblin ( talk • contribs) 16:06, 5 May 2022 (UTC)
Why's this got a [citation needed] flag on it? A quick look inside the PC version's installation directory confirms it 2607:FEA8:29E3:B200:8D3F:2A7E:1910:ABA ( talk) 16:49, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
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I ask the permission to add section regarding radical difference in Western/English localization of the game, please. Greener Meaner Green Goblin ( talk) 16:36, 30 April 2022 (UTC)
Didn't post any player/forum source, so I don't see where's the problem. It's obvious that sources can present screenshots of people on social media lamenting/showing a problem/topic showing also photos and screenshots, but that doesn't make the sources unreliable, since many considered reliable sources used on Wikipedia (along with the content in articles' sections) mention/talk about topics or problems discussed on the Internet, nor makes them forum sites. Greener Meaner Green Goblin ( talk) 21:02, 30 April 2022 (UTC)
In fact they are not social media sources. I already said it. Greener Meaner Green Goblin ( talk) 01:10, 1 May 2022 (UTC)
No, I said I would have used sources that could MENTION social media, like many others do. And no, not direct players' feedback or forum sites, I said it. Please, I'm getting tired. Also because is late night where I live. Greener Meaner Green Goblin ( talk) 01:36, 1 May 2022 (UTC)
Got it? Greener Meaner Green Goblin ( talk) 13:51, 1 May 2022 (UTC)
Responding to the following post-edit message: "Read our policy on WP:RS., there's no evidence of being a reliable source."
No offense and I really don't want to seem or be disrespectful or in bad faith, but if we put it that way, as I said, I don't see evidence of Sankaku Complex being a non-reliable source either, and I could say the same about many mainstream and official sources (like journals) considered reliable and acceptable/accepted on Wikipedia that also wrote and even still write false or inaccurate information or articles with biased tones, even about pop-culture. Plus, as I said, I saw other articles written by Sankaku Complex on Wikipedia either in English and other languages (like Japanese, Italian, Spanish and French Wikis), and I don't remind it being even among the deprecated sources. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Greener Meaner Green Goblin ( talk • contribs) 17:54, 1 May 2022 (UTC)
"As with other Japanese video games released in the last year," would need a citation. "Modern western progressive politics" is clearly intended to invoke feelings that Japan's politics do not have any of these things, and is very indicative of someone fetishizing Japan over an image of it that exists only in their head. It is also, y'know, a pretty vague and subjective comment to make and doesn't fit Wikipedia's guidelines. "Not typical of Japanese culture and society" my dude, video games aren't typical Japanese culture. "The characters would also[...]" this is just poorly written. NarkySawtooth ( talk) 22:20, 1 May 2022 (UTC)
As I already explained, anti-capitalism, cultural appropriation references and French anarchist socialism and related propaganda (either in pop-culture and in real life in Japan) is not typical or normal in Japanese culture and society (and they're even clearly in contrast to them), it's simply a cultural fact (something you can understand also from the original Japanese localization and voice-acting). And yes, videogames are typical Japanese culture if those videogames are made in Japan and reflects and are made to reflect Japanese culture, same for manga and anime. And yes, still talking about "poorly written", I wrote "would" and/or "would have" to maintain a neutral tone, and these alterations in translation/localization happened to other Japanese videogames recently in the West, so? Greener Meaner Green Goblin ( talk) 17:36, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
Again and again, you, Narkysawtooth, still saying it's a Twitter source knowing exactly is not true, and no, there's no mention anywhere about changes in localization for 'copyright reasons', and still you didn't debunk the fact that the things I mentioned before are not part of Japanese culture and society. And we're talking about radical changes and differences between Japanese and Western localizations, and the original game does not have any anti-capitalist quote, in fact the game itself is all but anti-capitalist, it's not "every little objection" material (we're on 4Kids levels here), if you don't know Japanese that's a problem of yours and shouldn't certainly be an excuse to keep me or anyone else from posting the section. And even if it were a Google Translate or any other translator taken translation, I'm sure no translator would ever confuse "Why would someone put up a picture of 104 like that? What a lack of taste!" with "Is this supposed to be 104? Uh-uh, we aren’t glorifying capitalism on my watch! Time to spray over it!", like they were similar or the same phrase, no translator is so broken. Oh, and by the way, よい試み. And OceanHok, I already said before that I changed the title and content to not include the word 'controversy' to focus primarily on the difference in localizations. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Greener Meaner Green Goblin ( talk • contribs) 16:06, 5 May 2022 (UTC)
Why's this got a [citation needed] flag on it? A quick look inside the PC version's installation directory confirms it 2607:FEA8:29E3:B200:8D3F:2A7E:1910:ABA ( talk) 16:49, 14 May 2022 (UTC)