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This nonsense has been debunked many, many times, and does not need another go-round. I recommend that, in the future, ignorant comments such as this are deleted on sight with no response. We are not required to give any amount of credence to this crap. Beyond My Ken ( talk) 23:53, 30 January 2018 (UTC) |
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Historians are divided on whether nazis were right or left, why does this say one way or the other when its so much of a conflict? I suggest this is removed. Traditionally Nazis were classified as being on the left because left referred pos rates with more state control and the right referred to less state control...so businesses had freedom. Any state could be nationalist or fascist or egalitarian or matriarchal or patriarchal etc. While some people have created matrices that have two variables fascism and level of state control or government involvement it leaves out so many other variable like level of nationalism etc. We can't put them all onto a grid, so people are still arguing to keep right and left with the original meaning of more or less government involvement. So wither we need a discussion of this or we could just take the classification out. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.223.141.63 ( talk) 22:01, 30 January 2018 (UTC)
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There is an RfC on the talk page of the article Neo-Nazism which may interest readers of this article. It can be found here. Beyond My Ken ( talk) 01:51, 4 April 2018 (UTC)
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This is inaccurate. National Socialists are far-left. Never in the history of political ideology has there been a far-right socialist. This article is a blaring smear of conservatives and an out right lie. 2600:8803:D400:7A0:20D3:D77A:4BDE:5043 ( talk) 17:35, 31 March 2018 (UTC)
"In fact, I suspect that Hitler added "Socialist" to the party name simple to draw off some members of the SPD and the KPD - there was a lot of party-switching going on at the time, especially in the paramilitary wings."
Hitler did not get to name the party. He assumed leadership of an already extant party in June/July 1921. The party founder and original leader was Anton Drexler, whose ideas included some notions of socialism. Per our article on the Nazi Party:
So, I had the right motivation, but the wrong actor. Thanks for the correction, I'll try to remember that properly for the future. (It also points out that there was little serious intent on the part of the party to actually be socialist, it was more about what they call in modern marketing " positioning". I'm sure the socialistic elements in the 25 points had much the same purpose, considering that no one in the party ever made a serious effort to carry them out.)Anyway, thanks again, and for the cite. Beyond My Ken ( talk) 16:54, 4 April 2018 (UTC)Meanwhile, on February 20, 1920, the German Workers' Party changed its name to the National Socialist German Workers' Party. ... Hitler did not like the addition of the word "Socialist" but acquiesced because the executive committee thought it might be helpful in attracting workers from the left.
These terms have been removed from the lede. I suggest we replace and or revert this revert [29]. Darkstar1st ( talk) 18:25, 15 April 2018 (UTC)
Hitler had pretty much "socialist" speeches and points regarding how everyone should help one another, whereas "social darwinism" is "laissez faire" taken to the extreme, "charity is harmful". "Social darwinism" is not something that has appeal to a larger lower class that elected nazis into power, instead they favored the " 25 points", including things like "ee demand that the state be charged first with providing the opportunity for a livelihood and way of life for the citizens" (welfare policies, diametrically opposed to SH), "the activity of individuals is not to counteract the interests of the universality, but must have its result within the framework of the whole for the benefit of all" (whereas SD is more of a "every man for himself" thing, even though mutualism is compatible with biological darwinism, SD refers more to the "survival of the fittest" slogan), "we demand a division of profits of all heavy industries" (is Hillary Clinton a social darwinist?), "the state is to be responsible for a fundamental reconstruction of our whole national education program, to enable every capable and industrious German to obtain higher education and subsequently introduction into leading positions [...] we demand the education at the expense of the state of outstanding intellectually gifted children of poor parents without consideration of position or profession" (is Bernie Sander's "free education" program social darwinism?), "state is to care for the elevating national health by protecting the mother and child, by outlawing child-labor" -- definitely does not look like social darwinism to me. I'm not defending nazism, for God sake, it just happens that SD is used as a some sort of wildcard term for "evil" things, possibly here editors got confused with the biological tenets of racism and the biology of "darwinism", hence "social darwnism", but this is a mistake, social darwinism is barely related with about biology, it's not even "darwinism" to begin with, but a term that was coined to be derogatory to "laissez faire"/no-government-welfare policy views, views that didn't stem from darwinism. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 45.234.133.71 ( talk) 22:51, 3 June 2018 (UTC)
The lede should clarify the Nazis only called themselves socialists in order to gain working class support. ( 31.50.130.48 ( talk) 03:18, 21 April 2018 (UTC))
The term "National Socialism" arose out of attempts to create a nationalist redefinition of "socialism", as an alternative to both international socialism and free market capitalism.We could potentially clarify or expand on that sentence slightly, although the lead is already massively-long so we'd probably want to keep it brief if we did. -- Aquillion ( talk) 04:48, 21 April 2018 (UTC)
Ideally such point would be based on recorded statements of key leading figures revealing their true intentions, rather than just on historical "psychoanalysis" of the party. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 45.234.133.71 ( talk) 23:02, 3 June 2018 (UTC)
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The NAZI party in Germany was factually NOT a far-right ideology, it was a socialist/left ideology. Historical fact. RPM509 ( talk) 17:16, 8 July 2018 (UTC)
After reading the discussions above, and seeing how often we get new users and anons making this claim that Nazism is left-wing, I started to wonder whether some of the content in the article itself might be leading them to that mistaken conclusion. So I went to check the sections on Economics, Social Class, and the position of Nazism within the political spectrum, together with the sources they use. As it turns out, although the sources are from leading experts in the field, they were often quoted selectively or misrepresented (particularly in the Economics and Social Class sections) in a way that over-emphasized the left-leaning aspects of Nazism and neglected to mention its right-leaning aspects. In one case I even found a paragraph and a half (in the Economics section) "based" on citations that actually had nothing to do with the wiki text. The wiki text was talking about Nazi celebrations to honour German workers and about social welfare measures under the Third Reich, but the citations referenced pages 45-51 from the book Germans into Nazis by Peter Fritzsche. Those pages are part of the chapter entitled "July 1914" in that book, and they talk about the beginning of the First World War and how the German population reacted to it. Other egregious problems included: One quote that didn't have any source at all; another quote that reversed the order of the sentences in the source, and also joined together sentences that occur in separate paragraphs in the source; a place where the wiki text said that the Nazis promised "state-provided health care", while the source says that Hitler offered "a guarantee to maintain health care and pensions" (emphasis mine); a place where the wiki text called Ernst Röhm a "revolutionary socialist", while the source says no such thing and describes SA radicalism as being "nihilistic", "without concrete goals or limits"; and a paragraph about the Harzburg Front that focused almost entirely on the mutual accusations between the NSDAP and DNVP when the Front broke down and somehow neglected to mention that the NSDAP came to power the following year with DNVP support. In addition, the section on Social Class did not explain the concept of Volksgemeinschaft (which should be, in my opinion, the primary focus of that section), and the article as a whole said nothing about the relationship between the NSDAP and leading German industrialists.
So I did some cleanup of the three sections mentioned above, removing phrases and sentences that were not found in the sources. In the process, since I was reading the sources anyway, I ended up also adding further material (largely from the same sources that were already cited before), dealing primarily with the Volksgemeinschaft, the relationship between the NSDAP and business interests, and Nazi views on war and racial conflict as being positive and inevitable aspects of the human experience, the Nazi destruction of the KPD, and the fact that the primary aim of Nazi economic policies was military rearmament (an aspect which figures prominently in Tooze's The Wages of Destruction and in other sources on the Nazi economy, but which was only barely mentioned in the article before). Most of my edits focused on the sections on Social Class and Economics, which were the ones most in need of work, but I also edited the "Position within the political spectrum" section somewhat, to combine the two different texts about the SA into one paragraph, to mention what happened after the dissolution of the Harzburg Front, and so on. -- Amerul ( talk) 12:08, 4 August 2018 (UTC)
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Please correct and add or incorporate this to the first paragraph. Nazi's and Fascist are Left-Wing. There has never been an American Right-Wing in Europe. The Right-Wing in Europe is within the Left-Wing Spectrum. Communist, Socialist, Nazi’s, Fascist, all Left-Wing. The Nazi’s were National SOCIALIST! The Soviets were Left-Wing yet Nationalist too. The Right in America promotes small government, a Dictator cannot arrive out of the American Right but only the Right within the Left-Wing. There is absolutely no comparison between the Right in America to the European Right. .. 50.53.72.162 ( talk) 23:22, 9 August 2018 (UTC)
Hi Beyond My Ken. Thanks for fixing the ISBN number. I got the one I used from this page. Presumably it looks different because it's a different format or something. Anyway, looks like it's working now, I just wanted to explain that I didn't change it maliciously at all. › Mortee talk 21:37, 21 August 2018 (UTC)
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National Socialism (German: Nationalsozialismus), more commonly known as Nazism (/ˈnɑːtsiɪzəm, ˈnæt-/),[1] is the ideology and practices associated with the Nazi Party – officially the National Socialist German Workers' Party (Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei or NSDAP) – in Nazi Germany, and of other far-right groups with similar aims.
The reference in the last line (in Nazi Germany, and of other far-right groups with similar aims) is an inaccurate statement.
This needs to be changed from far right to far-left and here's why. Traditionally and in common practice today it is far left groups seeking social change have a desire to control society at large through large centralized governmental social control. However at the other end Traditionally far-right groups both past and present seek the decentralization and reduction of governmental control believing people should not be forced to others ideas but that people should have the right to work for themselves and decide for their future (this is called liberty). Nazism/socialism/ and communism are all similar bedfellows from far-left thinking. Each group or ideology seeks to control the populace at large forcing people by authoritarian means to their social and political ideology. Until in full control Nazism, socialism, and communism demean and deprecate all those who disagree.
In the Thirties, intellectuals smitten by progressivism considered limited, constitutional governance anachronistic. The Great Depression had apparently proven capitalism defunct (we know now that's not true). The remaining choice had narrowed between communism and fascism. Hitler was about an inch to the right of Stalin. Western intellectuals infatuated with Marxism thus associated fascism with the Right in order to cower any conservative opposition.
Later, Marxists from the Frankfurt School popularized this prevailing sentiment. Theodor Adorno in The Authoritarian Personality devised the "F" scale to demean conservatives as latent fascists. The label "fascist" has subsequently meant anyone liberals (Left or far-left thinkers) seek to ostracize or discredit.
Fascism is an amorphous ideology mobilizing an entire nation (Mussolini, Franco and Peron) or race (Hitler) for a common purpose. Leaders of industry, science, education, the arts and politics combine to shepherd society in an all encompassing quest. (far right conservatives deplore these ideas) Hitler’s premise was a pure Aryan Germany capable of dominating Europe.
While he feinted right, Hitler and Stalin were natural bedfellows. Hitler mimicked Lenin’s path to totalitarian tyranny, parlaying crises into power. Nazis despised Marxists not over ideology, but because they had betrayed Germany in World War I and Nazis found it unconscionable that German communists yielded fealty to Slavs in Moscow.
I am not sure if you need more? While I know this may be disagreeable to some we really need to be accurate considering how many people use Wikipedia. Ashhistory ( talk) 21:18, 9 October 2018 (UTC)
Fascism is an amorphous ideology mobilizing an entire nation (Mussolini, Franco and Peron) or race (Hitler) for a common purpose.I would note that Russia, England, France and the US were led by (and their armies populated by) predominantly people of the "white race", and that Spain, Italy, Argentina and Germany were all possessed of sizable anti-fascist resistance movements during the lifetimes of those named leaders. IO would further note that I learned these facts in high school, and thus that my 14 year old self could have pointed out the incredible ignorance of this comment. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 00:16, 10 October 2018 (UTC)
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Chang far right to far left ChillyWilly563 ( talk) 22:08, 18 October 2018 (UTC)
Before reading this I referred to the Wiki political spectrum definition on socialism, "Because the term “left” is already widely used to denote social systems and ideologies of force (e.g., socialism, communism, “progressivism”), and the term “right” is substantially used to denote social systems and ideologies of freedom (e.g., capitalism, classical liberalism, constitutional republicanism), the best ..." The political left is supporting of socialism, gun control to the point of disarming citizens, and controlled education with the demonization of any that disagree with what is being taught. The Nazis were the National Socialist Workers Party, key word Socialist. The Nazis enforced gun control and took all guns away from their citizens. The Nazis controlled education and burned any books, demonized any authors, and stopped any dissenting education that they disagreed with. The political positions of the Nazis does not fall in line with the political right, by Wiki's own definition, instead it falls perfectly on the political left's definition.
I, therefore submit that this wiki definition of Nazism political spectrum affiliation be corrected to match the current Wiki definition of the two political spectrum's. As it an inconsistency this article should either be amended or removed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:100D:B125:CC54:9581:C5A7:F7DD:8CE1 ( talk) 17:14, 5 February 2019 (UTC)
The section doesn't explain how Germany financed its existence - by plundering, killing and slave work. Xx236 ( talk) 12:42, 4 December 2018 (UTC)
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All references on this page to "far-right" are incorrect. Nazism is FAR-LEFT. Someone is trying to redefine history and terminology on this page by labeling it incorrectly. Socialism is a left-leaning social ideology, not right-leaning. It doesn't matter what sources are referenced to defend this lie or "mis-truth" because many articles and books are wrong, some of them intentionally in efforts to reshape thought. Nazi philosophies are LEFT leaning, very far from being RIGHT. The only reference required is Hitler's book "Mein Kampf" in which he displays the same ideological thoughts as left-leaning politicians and social engineers display today. Sragsdill ( talk) 15:21, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
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Nazism had a powerful influence on neighboring European countries. It seems to me to be appropriate to include some reference to this such as: It was also contemporaneous or promoted in other European countries, particularly those with large ethnic German communities such as Czechoslovakia, Hungary, Romania and Yugoslavia
I don't think it's appropriate to equate Hungary and Czechoslovakia in the lede as countries where Nazism took hold. Hungary as a nation fell to Nazi governance in its entirety and conducted itself as a Nazi state, whereas Czechoslovakia only did so after German invasion. An element (the German minority) within Czechoslovakia supported Nazism, but the same could be said for the United Kingdom. Czechoslovakia should be removed from the lede. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.242.48.18 ( talk • contribs) 04:51, July 21, 2014
The first two syllables of nationalsozialistische are pronounced identically to "Nazi"; to me it seems obvious that this is the origin of the term. This does not deny the connection to the earlier Sozi, but pulling out the zi sound from sozialistische instead of from national needs, at the very least, a reliable source. -- Trovatore ( talk) 22:07, 7 March 2019 (UTC)
How come this article mentions nothing about the Nazis stance on art and music? Degenerate art and music were attributed to the Jews. HRKent444 ( talk) 18:40, 12 March 2019 (UTC)
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"Position within the political spectrum" section of this article needs to be completely rewritten as the NAZI party was not Right but Left wing party! I.E. National SOCIALIST party - the clue is in the title but I will provide some more evidence below:
Goebbels diary 1924 (Part 1 Volume 1 Page 27) he states - Inflation. Wild times. The dollar climbs like an acrobat. I feel quiet pleasure. Yes, chaos must come, if things are going to get better. Communism. Jewry. I am a German communist. and also - To be a socialist means that I subordinate the 'you', that I sacrifice the individual for the general good. Socialism is in its deepest sense service. Abstention for the individual and challenge for the totality.
Adolf Hitler speech 01 May 1927 - We are socialists, we are enemies of today's capitalistic economic order for the exploitation of the economically weak, with their unfair wages, with its valuation of a human according to riches and property instead of responsibility and achievement. We are all determined to destroy this system at all costs.
Adolf Hitler speach 01 May 1934 - The hammer will once again become the symbol of the German worker and the sickle the symbol of the German farmer.
The Holocaust organiser and SS-Obersturmbannführer Adolf Eichmann wrote in his memoirs - My political feelings leaned towards the left, the socialist at least as strongly as the National Socialist.
Historians also confirm this, for example Arnulf Baring said - The whole chatter about it, that there was, as it were, a serious radical right-wing threat… I ask you: were the Nazis right-wingers? I consider that a basic error, from you also. The Nazis were not right-wing, the Nazis were a left-wing party! 2A02:C7D:5211:F600:A0D2:DE33:B086:1898 ( talk) 14:25, 16 April 2019 (UTC)
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Socialism is not far right it is far left. Mandine Croix ( talk) 07:03, 27 June 2019 (UTC)
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The below text needs a "citation required" tag added to it. It appears to be part of reference 4 but reading that reference (Feldman, Gerald. The Economic Origins of European Fascism)it does not talk about a conscious effort to take ownership of the word socialism away from other political parties. I was curious to find a history of the Nazi use of this word but cannot find any original sources.
The term "National Socialism" arose out of attempts to create a nationalist redefinition of "socialism", as an alternative to both Marxist international socialism and free market capitalism.
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The first party that attempted to combine nationalism and socialism was the (Austria-Hungary) German Workers' Party, which predominantly aimed to solve the conflict between the Austrian Germans and the Czechs in the multi-ethnic Austrian Empire, then part of Austria-Hungary. In 1896 the German politician Friedrich Naumann formed the National-Social Association which aimed to combine German nationalism and a non-Marxist form of socialism together; the attempt turned out to be futile and the idea of linking nationalism with socialism quickly became equated with antisemites, extreme German nationalists and the Völkisch movement in general." I also think you might be inferring the wrong thing in that
a nationalist redefinition of "socialism"doesn't necessarily imply that they're "taking it away", just that they were creating a new definition. If you still feel a citation is needed in the lede with this explanation, though, then feel free to reopen your request; more clarity isn't a bad thing. — Nizolan ( talk · c.) 14:26, 29 July 2019 (UTC)
Hello – I noticed I typo, but I am just an anonymous user and cannot edit the article. It is in the section 'Reactionary or revolutionary?', second quote, "dispain" should be "disdain".— Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.71.8.239 ( talk • contribs)
I am not sure who wrote this but they are misinformed regarding Nazism. They state it is far right in its polices. I would submit it is far left and here is why. Hitler was the head of the German Socialist workers party. Both Socialist and Union organizers are leftest and Cordel72 ( talk) 14:38, 27 September 2019 (UTC) Hitler was both. Take Russia for example: Vladimir Lennon was a member of a Soviet. A soviet in Russia is a committee of the leaders of the working trades. i.e union leaders. Nothing in their political beliefs suggest capitalism or free market ideology s as is true of anyone on the Political Right. If Hitler is counted as far right then Vladimir Lennon, Fidel castor and Bernie sanders would be far right as well. So I submit that Nazism is leftist and Hitler took it as far left as he could. Whether you are politically left or right you must admit that either one can be taken too far and history proves that it has happened.
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Beyond My Ken: you recently went through and capitalized all instances of the word völkisch. Just curious why? My German grammar is not very nuanced, but I can tell that völkisch is an adjective, and not one based on what in English we would call a "proper noun", so I don't think it would ordinarily be capitalized in German. I suppose there could still be some reason it would be capitalized in English, but I don't know what that reason would be. --
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"Nazism" is a nickname for National Socialism, the page should be called "National Socialism", since that is the name of the ideology. (I do not believe "Nazism" is used in Germany) Gravestep ( talk) 05:17, 23 September 2019 (UTC)
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Change far-right groups to far-left groups since Nazism relies on government control which can only be achieved through a leftist government Hein781 ( talk) 18:06, 16 September 2019 (UTC)
There's a clause asking for "when" for under the section "Position within the political spectrum" regarding a quote from Adolf Hitler. The quote is from January 27, 1934, from an interview with Hanns Johst [1]. As far as I can tell from Amazon preview for the book "The Essential Hitler: Speeches and Commentary," it is the same documented interview. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Yangmungi ( talk • contribs) 23:02, 20 October 2019 (UTC)
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Hello! From I read, the article has a lot of information on propaganda and the ideology's ideas on race and geopolitics, but nothing regarding its views on, for example, the economy and how to run it. It focuses on a lot of race relations--and dont get me wrong, that's important (ESPECIALLY when it comes to National Socialism)--but not much else. HistoricallyAccurate ( talk) 21:55, 19 August 2019 (UTC)
Might you know of substantive documentation of an alleged claim by the authors of the death camps that "Future generations will thank us for" eliminating the Jews, communists, Gypsies and handicapped, who were "sucking the life blood of good hard-working Germans"?
I saw claims like this in, I think, movies about the holocaust. It's hard to imagine people building and operating the death camps without believing something like this. It would be good to have serious documentation of such -- in this article. Thanks, DavidMCEddy ( talk) 01:48, 11 December 2019 (UTC)
I'm gonna be bold and remove this bit from the article, because the historian Mason made an obviously incorrect conclusion. If you disagree and wish to revert it, please read up on the whole 'massively reduced unemployment' bit, 'made paid leave for labor workers mandatory' bit and all the other bits mentioned in the article and by my humble self here on the talk page. Then, please try to make a convinving argument here on why you think this amounts to "nothing but slogans" and talk it out with your fellow editors. Kuiet ( talk) 21:28, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
an obviously incorrect conclusion, merely because of
massively reduced unemployment; and the same source is also used elsewhere. Furthermore, the author is attribuited. So I'm reverting the deletion unless there's consensus to remove it.-- Davide King ( talk) 01:18, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
What makes you think Wikipedia talkpages are an appropriate outlet for Nazi propaganda? If it weren't for contributions from another editor besides User:Kuiet, I'd remove the whole thing. Bishonen | tålk 21:03, 28 March 2020 (UTC). |
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Does anyone want to join and help me with creating a paragraph dedicated to National Socialist social policies? Kuiet ( talk) 16:15, 17 March 2020 (UTC)
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The Nazi party was a far-left socialist group, not a far-right group. Tyson Rodriguez ( talk) 22:54, 20 February 2020 (UTC)
I created wikidata:Q93434458 about that. Feel free to expand it. Visite fortuitement prolongée ( talk) 14:19, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
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I believe my text here is far more accurate and informative. Nazism is not fascism, this is revisionist history.
Nazism (or National Socialism; German: Nationalsozialismus) is a set of political beliefs associated with the Nazi Party of Germany. It started in the 1920s. Party gained power in 1933, starting the Third Reich. They lasted in Germany until 1945, at the end of World War II. Nazism is a form of socialism in that it seeks to socialize the 'Aryan Race' at the expense of races the Nazis deemed inferior and oppressive. Contrast this to Marxism, another form of socialism which seeks to socialize the proletariat at the expense of the bourgeoisie. The Nazis believed that only the Aryan race was capable of building nations and other races, notably the Jewish race, were agents of the corruptive forces of capitalism and boulshevism, both of which the Nazis opposed. The Nazis blamed the Jewish people for Germany's defeat in World War I. This is known as the Stab in the Back Myth. The Nazis also blamed the Jewish people for rapid inflation and practically every other economic woe facing Germany at the time as a result of their defeat in World War I. For this reason the Nazis not only viewed the Jewish people as inferior to but as oppressors of the Aryan people. The nazi's tactic of lazily albeit effectively blaming the Jewish people for all of Germany's problems is a propaganda tactic known as scapegoating and was used to justify the great atrocities committed by the Nazis against the Jewish people. Militiaman 1776 ( talk) 23:44, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
@ Beyond My Ken: Regarding your edit summary here, perhaps you should see this ANI instead. I forgot that I had to report you twice in 2016. Regardless of the exact nature of my initial edits four years ago, the takeaway point is that reverting good-faith edits without explanation is akin to ownership. Wikipedia is a collaborative project. Just because you do not personally see value in somebody's edits does not give you carte blanche to revert and threaten.
As far as your assertion that I'm edit warring and your "Stop now," threat, I'd remind you that I've only reverted once and you've reverted twice. So, look in the mirror... – void xor 23:52, 22 May 2020 (UTC)
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It appears the edit previous to mine by Alcaios moved and slightly mangled the sentence. ( https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Nazism&diff=960706822&oldid=960397314) I merely returned it to its previous status. Editor2020 ( talk) 23:54, 5 June 2020 (UTC)
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In etymology section, in the Nazi Party image, change the link attached to "flag of Nazi Germany", to the page of Nazi Germany flag, instead of modern Germany flag. Arish00100 ( talk) 01:32, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
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Nazi being Far-right is incorrect. If they were far right, that would be an anarchy with no government and law, let alone any form of socialism whatsoever. 101.180.95.122 ( talk) 10:08, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
Can someone add a section on the hyperbolic usage of the term "Nazi" (as in grammar Nazi, soup Nazi, feminazi etc.) and on Nazi symbols just to shock and upset people in popular culture ? It seems to have started in California, when Hell's Angels motorcycle brigades were sporting swastikas and young surfers were wearing a Nazi-themed pendant as the "Surfer’s Cross in the 1960s.
For research purposes, one may consult, these two sources first:
Hitler in 1923: "We might have called ourselves the Liberal Party." https://www.theguardian.com/theguardian/2007/sep/17/greatinterviews1
The section on totalitarianism contains a lot of editorializing which violates the rules. imo this section needs to be rewritten. 2A02:C7D:86B:4A00:A0A1:9709:37B5:5E78 ( talk) 16:47, 2 December 2020 (UTC)
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This nonsense has been debunked many, many times, and does not need another go-round. I recommend that, in the future, ignorant comments such as this are deleted on sight with no response. We are not required to give any amount of credence to this crap. Beyond My Ken ( talk) 23:53, 30 January 2018 (UTC) |
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Historians are divided on whether nazis were right or left, why does this say one way or the other when its so much of a conflict? I suggest this is removed. Traditionally Nazis were classified as being on the left because left referred pos rates with more state control and the right referred to less state control...so businesses had freedom. Any state could be nationalist or fascist or egalitarian or matriarchal or patriarchal etc. While some people have created matrices that have two variables fascism and level of state control or government involvement it leaves out so many other variable like level of nationalism etc. We can't put them all onto a grid, so people are still arguing to keep right and left with the original meaning of more or less government involvement. So wither we need a discussion of this or we could just take the classification out. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.223.141.63 ( talk) 22:01, 30 January 2018 (UTC)
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There is an RfC on the talk page of the article Neo-Nazism which may interest readers of this article. It can be found here. Beyond My Ken ( talk) 01:51, 4 April 2018 (UTC)
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This is inaccurate. National Socialists are far-left. Never in the history of political ideology has there been a far-right socialist. This article is a blaring smear of conservatives and an out right lie. 2600:8803:D400:7A0:20D3:D77A:4BDE:5043 ( talk) 17:35, 31 March 2018 (UTC)
"In fact, I suspect that Hitler added "Socialist" to the party name simple to draw off some members of the SPD and the KPD - there was a lot of party-switching going on at the time, especially in the paramilitary wings."
Hitler did not get to name the party. He assumed leadership of an already extant party in June/July 1921. The party founder and original leader was Anton Drexler, whose ideas included some notions of socialism. Per our article on the Nazi Party:
So, I had the right motivation, but the wrong actor. Thanks for the correction, I'll try to remember that properly for the future. (It also points out that there was little serious intent on the part of the party to actually be socialist, it was more about what they call in modern marketing " positioning". I'm sure the socialistic elements in the 25 points had much the same purpose, considering that no one in the party ever made a serious effort to carry them out.)Anyway, thanks again, and for the cite. Beyond My Ken ( talk) 16:54, 4 April 2018 (UTC)Meanwhile, on February 20, 1920, the German Workers' Party changed its name to the National Socialist German Workers' Party. ... Hitler did not like the addition of the word "Socialist" but acquiesced because the executive committee thought it might be helpful in attracting workers from the left.
These terms have been removed from the lede. I suggest we replace and or revert this revert [29]. Darkstar1st ( talk) 18:25, 15 April 2018 (UTC)
Hitler had pretty much "socialist" speeches and points regarding how everyone should help one another, whereas "social darwinism" is "laissez faire" taken to the extreme, "charity is harmful". "Social darwinism" is not something that has appeal to a larger lower class that elected nazis into power, instead they favored the " 25 points", including things like "ee demand that the state be charged first with providing the opportunity for a livelihood and way of life for the citizens" (welfare policies, diametrically opposed to SH), "the activity of individuals is not to counteract the interests of the universality, but must have its result within the framework of the whole for the benefit of all" (whereas SD is more of a "every man for himself" thing, even though mutualism is compatible with biological darwinism, SD refers more to the "survival of the fittest" slogan), "we demand a division of profits of all heavy industries" (is Hillary Clinton a social darwinist?), "the state is to be responsible for a fundamental reconstruction of our whole national education program, to enable every capable and industrious German to obtain higher education and subsequently introduction into leading positions [...] we demand the education at the expense of the state of outstanding intellectually gifted children of poor parents without consideration of position or profession" (is Bernie Sander's "free education" program social darwinism?), "state is to care for the elevating national health by protecting the mother and child, by outlawing child-labor" -- definitely does not look like social darwinism to me. I'm not defending nazism, for God sake, it just happens that SD is used as a some sort of wildcard term for "evil" things, possibly here editors got confused with the biological tenets of racism and the biology of "darwinism", hence "social darwnism", but this is a mistake, social darwinism is barely related with about biology, it's not even "darwinism" to begin with, but a term that was coined to be derogatory to "laissez faire"/no-government-welfare policy views, views that didn't stem from darwinism. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 45.234.133.71 ( talk) 22:51, 3 June 2018 (UTC)
The lede should clarify the Nazis only called themselves socialists in order to gain working class support. ( 31.50.130.48 ( talk) 03:18, 21 April 2018 (UTC))
The term "National Socialism" arose out of attempts to create a nationalist redefinition of "socialism", as an alternative to both international socialism and free market capitalism.We could potentially clarify or expand on that sentence slightly, although the lead is already massively-long so we'd probably want to keep it brief if we did. -- Aquillion ( talk) 04:48, 21 April 2018 (UTC)
Ideally such point would be based on recorded statements of key leading figures revealing their true intentions, rather than just on historical "psychoanalysis" of the party. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 45.234.133.71 ( talk) 23:02, 3 June 2018 (UTC)
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The NAZI party in Germany was factually NOT a far-right ideology, it was a socialist/left ideology. Historical fact. RPM509 ( talk) 17:16, 8 July 2018 (UTC)
After reading the discussions above, and seeing how often we get new users and anons making this claim that Nazism is left-wing, I started to wonder whether some of the content in the article itself might be leading them to that mistaken conclusion. So I went to check the sections on Economics, Social Class, and the position of Nazism within the political spectrum, together with the sources they use. As it turns out, although the sources are from leading experts in the field, they were often quoted selectively or misrepresented (particularly in the Economics and Social Class sections) in a way that over-emphasized the left-leaning aspects of Nazism and neglected to mention its right-leaning aspects. In one case I even found a paragraph and a half (in the Economics section) "based" on citations that actually had nothing to do with the wiki text. The wiki text was talking about Nazi celebrations to honour German workers and about social welfare measures under the Third Reich, but the citations referenced pages 45-51 from the book Germans into Nazis by Peter Fritzsche. Those pages are part of the chapter entitled "July 1914" in that book, and they talk about the beginning of the First World War and how the German population reacted to it. Other egregious problems included: One quote that didn't have any source at all; another quote that reversed the order of the sentences in the source, and also joined together sentences that occur in separate paragraphs in the source; a place where the wiki text said that the Nazis promised "state-provided health care", while the source says that Hitler offered "a guarantee to maintain health care and pensions" (emphasis mine); a place where the wiki text called Ernst Röhm a "revolutionary socialist", while the source says no such thing and describes SA radicalism as being "nihilistic", "without concrete goals or limits"; and a paragraph about the Harzburg Front that focused almost entirely on the mutual accusations between the NSDAP and DNVP when the Front broke down and somehow neglected to mention that the NSDAP came to power the following year with DNVP support. In addition, the section on Social Class did not explain the concept of Volksgemeinschaft (which should be, in my opinion, the primary focus of that section), and the article as a whole said nothing about the relationship between the NSDAP and leading German industrialists.
So I did some cleanup of the three sections mentioned above, removing phrases and sentences that were not found in the sources. In the process, since I was reading the sources anyway, I ended up also adding further material (largely from the same sources that were already cited before), dealing primarily with the Volksgemeinschaft, the relationship between the NSDAP and business interests, and Nazi views on war and racial conflict as being positive and inevitable aspects of the human experience, the Nazi destruction of the KPD, and the fact that the primary aim of Nazi economic policies was military rearmament (an aspect which figures prominently in Tooze's The Wages of Destruction and in other sources on the Nazi economy, but which was only barely mentioned in the article before). Most of my edits focused on the sections on Social Class and Economics, which were the ones most in need of work, but I also edited the "Position within the political spectrum" section somewhat, to combine the two different texts about the SA into one paragraph, to mention what happened after the dissolution of the Harzburg Front, and so on. -- Amerul ( talk) 12:08, 4 August 2018 (UTC)
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Please correct and add or incorporate this to the first paragraph. Nazi's and Fascist are Left-Wing. There has never been an American Right-Wing in Europe. The Right-Wing in Europe is within the Left-Wing Spectrum. Communist, Socialist, Nazi’s, Fascist, all Left-Wing. The Nazi’s were National SOCIALIST! The Soviets were Left-Wing yet Nationalist too. The Right in America promotes small government, a Dictator cannot arrive out of the American Right but only the Right within the Left-Wing. There is absolutely no comparison between the Right in America to the European Right. .. 50.53.72.162 ( talk) 23:22, 9 August 2018 (UTC)
Hi Beyond My Ken. Thanks for fixing the ISBN number. I got the one I used from this page. Presumably it looks different because it's a different format or something. Anyway, looks like it's working now, I just wanted to explain that I didn't change it maliciously at all. › Mortee talk 21:37, 21 August 2018 (UTC)
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National Socialism (German: Nationalsozialismus), more commonly known as Nazism (/ˈnɑːtsiɪzəm, ˈnæt-/),[1] is the ideology and practices associated with the Nazi Party – officially the National Socialist German Workers' Party (Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei or NSDAP) – in Nazi Germany, and of other far-right groups with similar aims.
The reference in the last line (in Nazi Germany, and of other far-right groups with similar aims) is an inaccurate statement.
This needs to be changed from far right to far-left and here's why. Traditionally and in common practice today it is far left groups seeking social change have a desire to control society at large through large centralized governmental social control. However at the other end Traditionally far-right groups both past and present seek the decentralization and reduction of governmental control believing people should not be forced to others ideas but that people should have the right to work for themselves and decide for their future (this is called liberty). Nazism/socialism/ and communism are all similar bedfellows from far-left thinking. Each group or ideology seeks to control the populace at large forcing people by authoritarian means to their social and political ideology. Until in full control Nazism, socialism, and communism demean and deprecate all those who disagree.
In the Thirties, intellectuals smitten by progressivism considered limited, constitutional governance anachronistic. The Great Depression had apparently proven capitalism defunct (we know now that's not true). The remaining choice had narrowed between communism and fascism. Hitler was about an inch to the right of Stalin. Western intellectuals infatuated with Marxism thus associated fascism with the Right in order to cower any conservative opposition.
Later, Marxists from the Frankfurt School popularized this prevailing sentiment. Theodor Adorno in The Authoritarian Personality devised the "F" scale to demean conservatives as latent fascists. The label "fascist" has subsequently meant anyone liberals (Left or far-left thinkers) seek to ostracize or discredit.
Fascism is an amorphous ideology mobilizing an entire nation (Mussolini, Franco and Peron) or race (Hitler) for a common purpose. Leaders of industry, science, education, the arts and politics combine to shepherd society in an all encompassing quest. (far right conservatives deplore these ideas) Hitler’s premise was a pure Aryan Germany capable of dominating Europe.
While he feinted right, Hitler and Stalin were natural bedfellows. Hitler mimicked Lenin’s path to totalitarian tyranny, parlaying crises into power. Nazis despised Marxists not over ideology, but because they had betrayed Germany in World War I and Nazis found it unconscionable that German communists yielded fealty to Slavs in Moscow.
I am not sure if you need more? While I know this may be disagreeable to some we really need to be accurate considering how many people use Wikipedia. Ashhistory ( talk) 21:18, 9 October 2018 (UTC)
Fascism is an amorphous ideology mobilizing an entire nation (Mussolini, Franco and Peron) or race (Hitler) for a common purpose.I would note that Russia, England, France and the US were led by (and their armies populated by) predominantly people of the "white race", and that Spain, Italy, Argentina and Germany were all possessed of sizable anti-fascist resistance movements during the lifetimes of those named leaders. IO would further note that I learned these facts in high school, and thus that my 14 year old self could have pointed out the incredible ignorance of this comment. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 00:16, 10 October 2018 (UTC)
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Chang far right to far left ChillyWilly563 ( talk) 22:08, 18 October 2018 (UTC)
Before reading this I referred to the Wiki political spectrum definition on socialism, "Because the term “left” is already widely used to denote social systems and ideologies of force (e.g., socialism, communism, “progressivism”), and the term “right” is substantially used to denote social systems and ideologies of freedom (e.g., capitalism, classical liberalism, constitutional republicanism), the best ..." The political left is supporting of socialism, gun control to the point of disarming citizens, and controlled education with the demonization of any that disagree with what is being taught. The Nazis were the National Socialist Workers Party, key word Socialist. The Nazis enforced gun control and took all guns away from their citizens. The Nazis controlled education and burned any books, demonized any authors, and stopped any dissenting education that they disagreed with. The political positions of the Nazis does not fall in line with the political right, by Wiki's own definition, instead it falls perfectly on the political left's definition.
I, therefore submit that this wiki definition of Nazism political spectrum affiliation be corrected to match the current Wiki definition of the two political spectrum's. As it an inconsistency this article should either be amended or removed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:100D:B125:CC54:9581:C5A7:F7DD:8CE1 ( talk) 17:14, 5 February 2019 (UTC)
The section doesn't explain how Germany financed its existence - by plundering, killing and slave work. Xx236 ( talk) 12:42, 4 December 2018 (UTC)
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All references on this page to "far-right" are incorrect. Nazism is FAR-LEFT. Someone is trying to redefine history and terminology on this page by labeling it incorrectly. Socialism is a left-leaning social ideology, not right-leaning. It doesn't matter what sources are referenced to defend this lie or "mis-truth" because many articles and books are wrong, some of them intentionally in efforts to reshape thought. Nazi philosophies are LEFT leaning, very far from being RIGHT. The only reference required is Hitler's book "Mein Kampf" in which he displays the same ideological thoughts as left-leaning politicians and social engineers display today. Sragsdill ( talk) 15:21, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
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Nazism had a powerful influence on neighboring European countries. It seems to me to be appropriate to include some reference to this such as: It was also contemporaneous or promoted in other European countries, particularly those with large ethnic German communities such as Czechoslovakia, Hungary, Romania and Yugoslavia
I don't think it's appropriate to equate Hungary and Czechoslovakia in the lede as countries where Nazism took hold. Hungary as a nation fell to Nazi governance in its entirety and conducted itself as a Nazi state, whereas Czechoslovakia only did so after German invasion. An element (the German minority) within Czechoslovakia supported Nazism, but the same could be said for the United Kingdom. Czechoslovakia should be removed from the lede. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.242.48.18 ( talk • contribs) 04:51, July 21, 2014
The first two syllables of nationalsozialistische are pronounced identically to "Nazi"; to me it seems obvious that this is the origin of the term. This does not deny the connection to the earlier Sozi, but pulling out the zi sound from sozialistische instead of from national needs, at the very least, a reliable source. -- Trovatore ( talk) 22:07, 7 March 2019 (UTC)
How come this article mentions nothing about the Nazis stance on art and music? Degenerate art and music were attributed to the Jews. HRKent444 ( talk) 18:40, 12 March 2019 (UTC)
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"Position within the political spectrum" section of this article needs to be completely rewritten as the NAZI party was not Right but Left wing party! I.E. National SOCIALIST party - the clue is in the title but I will provide some more evidence below:
Goebbels diary 1924 (Part 1 Volume 1 Page 27) he states - Inflation. Wild times. The dollar climbs like an acrobat. I feel quiet pleasure. Yes, chaos must come, if things are going to get better. Communism. Jewry. I am a German communist. and also - To be a socialist means that I subordinate the 'you', that I sacrifice the individual for the general good. Socialism is in its deepest sense service. Abstention for the individual and challenge for the totality.
Adolf Hitler speech 01 May 1927 - We are socialists, we are enemies of today's capitalistic economic order for the exploitation of the economically weak, with their unfair wages, with its valuation of a human according to riches and property instead of responsibility and achievement. We are all determined to destroy this system at all costs.
Adolf Hitler speach 01 May 1934 - The hammer will once again become the symbol of the German worker and the sickle the symbol of the German farmer.
The Holocaust organiser and SS-Obersturmbannführer Adolf Eichmann wrote in his memoirs - My political feelings leaned towards the left, the socialist at least as strongly as the National Socialist.
Historians also confirm this, for example Arnulf Baring said - The whole chatter about it, that there was, as it were, a serious radical right-wing threat… I ask you: were the Nazis right-wingers? I consider that a basic error, from you also. The Nazis were not right-wing, the Nazis were a left-wing party! 2A02:C7D:5211:F600:A0D2:DE33:B086:1898 ( talk) 14:25, 16 April 2019 (UTC)
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Socialism is not far right it is far left. Mandine Croix ( talk) 07:03, 27 June 2019 (UTC)
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The below text needs a "citation required" tag added to it. It appears to be part of reference 4 but reading that reference (Feldman, Gerald. The Economic Origins of European Fascism)it does not talk about a conscious effort to take ownership of the word socialism away from other political parties. I was curious to find a history of the Nazi use of this word but cannot find any original sources.
The term "National Socialism" arose out of attempts to create a nationalist redefinition of "socialism", as an alternative to both Marxist international socialism and free market capitalism.
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The first party that attempted to combine nationalism and socialism was the (Austria-Hungary) German Workers' Party, which predominantly aimed to solve the conflict between the Austrian Germans and the Czechs in the multi-ethnic Austrian Empire, then part of Austria-Hungary. In 1896 the German politician Friedrich Naumann formed the National-Social Association which aimed to combine German nationalism and a non-Marxist form of socialism together; the attempt turned out to be futile and the idea of linking nationalism with socialism quickly became equated with antisemites, extreme German nationalists and the Völkisch movement in general." I also think you might be inferring the wrong thing in that
a nationalist redefinition of "socialism"doesn't necessarily imply that they're "taking it away", just that they were creating a new definition. If you still feel a citation is needed in the lede with this explanation, though, then feel free to reopen your request; more clarity isn't a bad thing. — Nizolan ( talk · c.) 14:26, 29 July 2019 (UTC)
Hello – I noticed I typo, but I am just an anonymous user and cannot edit the article. It is in the section 'Reactionary or revolutionary?', second quote, "dispain" should be "disdain".— Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.71.8.239 ( talk • contribs)
I am not sure who wrote this but they are misinformed regarding Nazism. They state it is far right in its polices. I would submit it is far left and here is why. Hitler was the head of the German Socialist workers party. Both Socialist and Union organizers are leftest and Cordel72 ( talk) 14:38, 27 September 2019 (UTC) Hitler was both. Take Russia for example: Vladimir Lennon was a member of a Soviet. A soviet in Russia is a committee of the leaders of the working trades. i.e union leaders. Nothing in their political beliefs suggest capitalism or free market ideology s as is true of anyone on the Political Right. If Hitler is counted as far right then Vladimir Lennon, Fidel castor and Bernie sanders would be far right as well. So I submit that Nazism is leftist and Hitler took it as far left as he could. Whether you are politically left or right you must admit that either one can be taken too far and history proves that it has happened.
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"Nazism" is a nickname for National Socialism, the page should be called "National Socialism", since that is the name of the ideology. (I do not believe "Nazism" is used in Germany) Gravestep ( talk) 05:17, 23 September 2019 (UTC)
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Change far-right groups to far-left groups since Nazism relies on government control which can only be achieved through a leftist government Hein781 ( talk) 18:06, 16 September 2019 (UTC)
There's a clause asking for "when" for under the section "Position within the political spectrum" regarding a quote from Adolf Hitler. The quote is from January 27, 1934, from an interview with Hanns Johst [1]. As far as I can tell from Amazon preview for the book "The Essential Hitler: Speeches and Commentary," it is the same documented interview. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Yangmungi ( talk • contribs) 23:02, 20 October 2019 (UTC)
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Hello! From I read, the article has a lot of information on propaganda and the ideology's ideas on race and geopolitics, but nothing regarding its views on, for example, the economy and how to run it. It focuses on a lot of race relations--and dont get me wrong, that's important (ESPECIALLY when it comes to National Socialism)--but not much else. HistoricallyAccurate ( talk) 21:55, 19 August 2019 (UTC)
Might you know of substantive documentation of an alleged claim by the authors of the death camps that "Future generations will thank us for" eliminating the Jews, communists, Gypsies and handicapped, who were "sucking the life blood of good hard-working Germans"?
I saw claims like this in, I think, movies about the holocaust. It's hard to imagine people building and operating the death camps without believing something like this. It would be good to have serious documentation of such -- in this article. Thanks, DavidMCEddy ( talk) 01:48, 11 December 2019 (UTC)
I'm gonna be bold and remove this bit from the article, because the historian Mason made an obviously incorrect conclusion. If you disagree and wish to revert it, please read up on the whole 'massively reduced unemployment' bit, 'made paid leave for labor workers mandatory' bit and all the other bits mentioned in the article and by my humble self here on the talk page. Then, please try to make a convinving argument here on why you think this amounts to "nothing but slogans" and talk it out with your fellow editors. Kuiet ( talk) 21:28, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
an obviously incorrect conclusion, merely because of
massively reduced unemployment; and the same source is also used elsewhere. Furthermore, the author is attribuited. So I'm reverting the deletion unless there's consensus to remove it.-- Davide King ( talk) 01:18, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
What makes you think Wikipedia talkpages are an appropriate outlet for Nazi propaganda? If it weren't for contributions from another editor besides User:Kuiet, I'd remove the whole thing. Bishonen | tålk 21:03, 28 March 2020 (UTC). |
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Does anyone want to join and help me with creating a paragraph dedicated to National Socialist social policies? Kuiet ( talk) 16:15, 17 March 2020 (UTC)
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The Nazi party was a far-left socialist group, not a far-right group. Tyson Rodriguez ( talk) 22:54, 20 February 2020 (UTC)
I created wikidata:Q93434458 about that. Feel free to expand it. Visite fortuitement prolongée ( talk) 14:19, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
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I believe my text here is far more accurate and informative. Nazism is not fascism, this is revisionist history.
Nazism (or National Socialism; German: Nationalsozialismus) is a set of political beliefs associated with the Nazi Party of Germany. It started in the 1920s. Party gained power in 1933, starting the Third Reich. They lasted in Germany until 1945, at the end of World War II. Nazism is a form of socialism in that it seeks to socialize the 'Aryan Race' at the expense of races the Nazis deemed inferior and oppressive. Contrast this to Marxism, another form of socialism which seeks to socialize the proletariat at the expense of the bourgeoisie. The Nazis believed that only the Aryan race was capable of building nations and other races, notably the Jewish race, were agents of the corruptive forces of capitalism and boulshevism, both of which the Nazis opposed. The Nazis blamed the Jewish people for Germany's defeat in World War I. This is known as the Stab in the Back Myth. The Nazis also blamed the Jewish people for rapid inflation and practically every other economic woe facing Germany at the time as a result of their defeat in World War I. For this reason the Nazis not only viewed the Jewish people as inferior to but as oppressors of the Aryan people. The nazi's tactic of lazily albeit effectively blaming the Jewish people for all of Germany's problems is a propaganda tactic known as scapegoating and was used to justify the great atrocities committed by the Nazis against the Jewish people. Militiaman 1776 ( talk) 23:44, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
@ Beyond My Ken: Regarding your edit summary here, perhaps you should see this ANI instead. I forgot that I had to report you twice in 2016. Regardless of the exact nature of my initial edits four years ago, the takeaway point is that reverting good-faith edits without explanation is akin to ownership. Wikipedia is a collaborative project. Just because you do not personally see value in somebody's edits does not give you carte blanche to revert and threaten.
As far as your assertion that I'm edit warring and your "Stop now," threat, I'd remind you that I've only reverted once and you've reverted twice. So, look in the mirror... – void xor 23:52, 22 May 2020 (UTC)
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It appears the edit previous to mine by Alcaios moved and slightly mangled the sentence. ( https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Nazism&diff=960706822&oldid=960397314) I merely returned it to its previous status. Editor2020 ( talk) 23:54, 5 June 2020 (UTC)
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In etymology section, in the Nazi Party image, change the link attached to "flag of Nazi Germany", to the page of Nazi Germany flag, instead of modern Germany flag. Arish00100 ( talk) 01:32, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
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Nazi being Far-right is incorrect. If they were far right, that would be an anarchy with no government and law, let alone any form of socialism whatsoever. 101.180.95.122 ( talk) 10:08, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
Can someone add a section on the hyperbolic usage of the term "Nazi" (as in grammar Nazi, soup Nazi, feminazi etc.) and on Nazi symbols just to shock and upset people in popular culture ? It seems to have started in California, when Hell's Angels motorcycle brigades were sporting swastikas and young surfers were wearing a Nazi-themed pendant as the "Surfer’s Cross in the 1960s.
For research purposes, one may consult, these two sources first:
Hitler in 1923: "We might have called ourselves the Liberal Party." https://www.theguardian.com/theguardian/2007/sep/17/greatinterviews1
The section on totalitarianism contains a lot of editorializing which violates the rules. imo this section needs to be rewritten. 2A02:C7D:86B:4A00:A0A1:9709:37B5:5E78 ( talk) 16:47, 2 December 2020 (UTC)