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This new article seems to overlap significantly with the existing article, Historiography and nationalism. rather than create a content fork, might it be wise to integrate this material into the existing article.
Comments welcome. -- SteveMcCluskey ( talk) 21:39, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
I am inexperienced user on en wikipedia and I guess I need help about this matter. There certainly is term "nationalization of history" that is used in historiography. I think I listed quite credible sources to support this. If there is a term used in historiography that describes process of separation of national histories from Universal histories, then existence of this term should not be ignored and I believe that this term deserves article that defines and describes it. Significant part of article Nationalism and historiography describes nationalism and national histories (not historiography, except fourth subtitle), and it is quite well written. Maybe it would be good idea to move part of the text from Nationalism and historiography into this article? I propose to consider that idea because title of the article (Nationalism and historiography) does not fully corresponds with its text (it is not describing historiography, but mainly history), therefore parts (first three subtitles) that are not connected with historiography, but with history itself, maybe should be moved to this article? It seems to me that it would be more logical to move text that deals with history to article that deals with history, then to move text about history to article about historiography. Comments are welcomed.-- Antidiskriminator ( talk) 20:00, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
Since term ethnicization has been mentioned in only few articles and books, I am going to delete it from the first sentence, also according to comment on peer review page.-- Antidiskriminator ( talk) 09:43, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
Nationalist discourse in Croatia presents the Bleiburg tragedy as an event where only Croatians suffered and died just because they were Croatians
LOL no, nobody claims that victims were only Croats and that they died just because they were Croats. Actually, nationalist discourse highlights the fact that many murderers were Croats brainwashed by communist ideology. And that many modern leftist politicians had family members among these murderers. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.136.124.28 ( talk) 18:48, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
I was trying to fix a couple things up here, but for this one sentence, I really don't know what the intention was : "In cases when history was reinterpreted and filtered by the media and official orthodoxy there is a situation in which nationalization of history leads to its denial". In particular, I'm confused about what "its" refers to (and I'm sure a lot of other readers would be too). What is being denied?-- Yalens ( talk) 22:13, 23 June 2017 (UTC)
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The articles Nationalization of history and Nationalist historiography cover the same topics in different ways and should be merged. A much improved article could then be built, perhaps positioned as a sub-article to Nationalism studies, with reference to similar concepts such as Ethnosymbolism and Primordialism. Onceinawhile ( talk) 16:22, 21 June 2019 (UTC)
Some expert eyes at Talk:Nationalization of history#Merge Nationalization of history and Nationalist historiography would be appreciated; the question is whether Nationalist historiography is a sufficiently distinct topic to warrant treatment separately from Nationalization of history. The discussion has gone on for some time, but with few contributors, and consensus is unclear. Klbrain ( talk) 07:00, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
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This new article seems to overlap significantly with the existing article, Historiography and nationalism. rather than create a content fork, might it be wise to integrate this material into the existing article.
Comments welcome. -- SteveMcCluskey ( talk) 21:39, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
I am inexperienced user on en wikipedia and I guess I need help about this matter. There certainly is term "nationalization of history" that is used in historiography. I think I listed quite credible sources to support this. If there is a term used in historiography that describes process of separation of national histories from Universal histories, then existence of this term should not be ignored and I believe that this term deserves article that defines and describes it. Significant part of article Nationalism and historiography describes nationalism and national histories (not historiography, except fourth subtitle), and it is quite well written. Maybe it would be good idea to move part of the text from Nationalism and historiography into this article? I propose to consider that idea because title of the article (Nationalism and historiography) does not fully corresponds with its text (it is not describing historiography, but mainly history), therefore parts (first three subtitles) that are not connected with historiography, but with history itself, maybe should be moved to this article? It seems to me that it would be more logical to move text that deals with history to article that deals with history, then to move text about history to article about historiography. Comments are welcomed.-- Antidiskriminator ( talk) 20:00, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
Since term ethnicization has been mentioned in only few articles and books, I am going to delete it from the first sentence, also according to comment on peer review page.-- Antidiskriminator ( talk) 09:43, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
Nationalist discourse in Croatia presents the Bleiburg tragedy as an event where only Croatians suffered and died just because they were Croatians
LOL no, nobody claims that victims were only Croats and that they died just because they were Croats. Actually, nationalist discourse highlights the fact that many murderers were Croats brainwashed by communist ideology. And that many modern leftist politicians had family members among these murderers. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.136.124.28 ( talk) 18:48, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
I was trying to fix a couple things up here, but for this one sentence, I really don't know what the intention was : "In cases when history was reinterpreted and filtered by the media and official orthodoxy there is a situation in which nationalization of history leads to its denial". In particular, I'm confused about what "its" refers to (and I'm sure a lot of other readers would be too). What is being denied?-- Yalens ( talk) 22:13, 23 June 2017 (UTC)
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The articles Nationalization of history and Nationalist historiography cover the same topics in different ways and should be merged. A much improved article could then be built, perhaps positioned as a sub-article to Nationalism studies, with reference to similar concepts such as Ethnosymbolism and Primordialism. Onceinawhile ( talk) 16:22, 21 June 2019 (UTC)
Some expert eyes at Talk:Nationalization of history#Merge Nationalization of history and Nationalist historiography would be appreciated; the question is whether Nationalist historiography is a sufficiently distinct topic to warrant treatment separately from Nationalization of history. The discussion has gone on for some time, but with few contributors, and consensus is unclear. Klbrain ( talk) 07:00, 11 August 2020 (UTC)