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The text currently refers to Naomi Seibt as a climate change denialist, but IPs are changing this to "Climate Realist". Can we establish a consensus on this, based on what reliable sources have to say? It reminds me of 9/11 denialists who call themselves "Truthers". Esowteric+ Talk 15:23, 3 March 2020 (UTC)
Naomi Seibt, a 19-year-old climate change skeptic and self-proclaimed “climate realist,” speaks Friday during a workshop at the Conservative...[1]. This is not just a BLP but also a biography of a child, we need sources for everything. I also noticed that her opinion is followed by the fact that she was employed by bluh bluh institution. This juxtaposition needs to be avioded.-- SharʿabSalam▼ ( talk) 18:01, 3 March 2020 (UTC)
Climate change denial, or global warming denial is denial, dismissal, or unwarranted doubt that contradicts the scientific consensus on climate change, including the extent to which it is caused by humans, its effects on nature and human society, or the potential of adaptation to global warming by human actions.". The sources are in the original entry. And, after all, we are biased towards the scientific consensus on climate change, and biased against global warming conspiracy theories. Cheers! Ixocactus ( talk) 01:04, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
Naomi Seibt, a 19-year-old climate change skeptic and self-proclaimed “climate realist,” speaks Friday during a workshop at the Conservative...
Naomi Seibt, a 19 year old climate change skeptic and self proclaimed climate realist, speaks during a workshop...
Climate change skeptic” is a euphemism used by proponents of climate change denial. Also, we have used climate change skeptic in articles like Lars Bern. Skepticism is not denialism, it makes no sense to say that skepticism is the same as denialism. -- SharʿabSalam▼ ( talk) 04:01, 6 March 2020 (UTC)
Independent reliable sources say Seibt is a climate change denier
What right do you have to stigmatize someone without doing your own research on that person and/or his/her background and research? This wiki starts to smell more and more like all MSM activities to enforce humans into something that has been proven wrong. Mstrbstr ( talk) 14:30, 14 March 2021 (UTC)
Today I removed some quotes from Süddeutsche Zeitung which had been translated to English; my edit summary was "Removed quotes from Süddeutsche Zeitung. Violated WP:FOREIGNQUOTE, and a report that she spoke at a conference isn't something people will care about in 10 years." Quickly Slatersteven reverted, saying "What is this policy?" I wish there was a way to correct edit summaries, I should have written MOS:FOREIGNQUOTE, which is a guideline. I have traced the addition to somewhere within a huge series of edits by Oceanflynn. Anyway, I don't think the rest of my edit summary was incorrect. Anybody else want to keep the quotes in? Peter Gulutzan ( talk) 15:48, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
She is right in questioning the impact of humans on global climate. The sun is more than a million times bigger than the earth. 97 percent of CO2 pollutions have natural causes.
46.93.243.186 ( talk) 03:11, 17 April 2021 (UTC)
The article's mention of YouTube may need updating. The reference pointing to her channel now reads: "This account has been terminated for violating YouTube's Community Guidelines." Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 18:40, 1 July 2021 (UTC)
What she says here is just whiny bullshit. There is no "connection" between climate change denial and holocaust denial, except that both are types of denialism. Moonlanding denial, evolution denial and other types of science denial are other examples.
It is just propaganda that tries to convince people that the correct term (climate change denial) is somehow inappropriate, and in accordance with WP:FRINGE, it does not belong on Wikipedia articles since Wikipedia is not a propaganda platform. -- Hob Gadling ( talk) 15:32, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
I think the last sentence in the lede is UNDUE and SOAP, "Seibt also describes herself as a "climate realist" [1] [2] and has denied allegations that she is a "puppet of the right wing or the climate deniers or the Heartland Institute". [3]" Given the sanctions and controversy, I'm discussing the matter first. The first addition I can find is by @ X-Editor:, here. -- Hipal ( talk) 16:12, 9 September 2023 (UTC) [1] [2] [3]
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There's no consensus to include it, and the edit to create it looks very bold. Per BLP, it should stay out until there's consensus to include. I've gone ahead and removed it. -- Hipal ( talk) 22:48, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
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The text currently refers to Naomi Seibt as a climate change denialist, but IPs are changing this to "Climate Realist". Can we establish a consensus on this, based on what reliable sources have to say? It reminds me of 9/11 denialists who call themselves "Truthers". Esowteric+ Talk 15:23, 3 March 2020 (UTC)
Naomi Seibt, a 19-year-old climate change skeptic and self-proclaimed “climate realist,” speaks Friday during a workshop at the Conservative...[1]. This is not just a BLP but also a biography of a child, we need sources for everything. I also noticed that her opinion is followed by the fact that she was employed by bluh bluh institution. This juxtaposition needs to be avioded.-- SharʿabSalam▼ ( talk) 18:01, 3 March 2020 (UTC)
Climate change denial, or global warming denial is denial, dismissal, or unwarranted doubt that contradicts the scientific consensus on climate change, including the extent to which it is caused by humans, its effects on nature and human society, or the potential of adaptation to global warming by human actions.". The sources are in the original entry. And, after all, we are biased towards the scientific consensus on climate change, and biased against global warming conspiracy theories. Cheers! Ixocactus ( talk) 01:04, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
Naomi Seibt, a 19-year-old climate change skeptic and self-proclaimed “climate realist,” speaks Friday during a workshop at the Conservative...
Naomi Seibt, a 19 year old climate change skeptic and self proclaimed climate realist, speaks during a workshop...
Climate change skeptic” is a euphemism used by proponents of climate change denial. Also, we have used climate change skeptic in articles like Lars Bern. Skepticism is not denialism, it makes no sense to say that skepticism is the same as denialism. -- SharʿabSalam▼ ( talk) 04:01, 6 March 2020 (UTC)
Independent reliable sources say Seibt is a climate change denier
What right do you have to stigmatize someone without doing your own research on that person and/or his/her background and research? This wiki starts to smell more and more like all MSM activities to enforce humans into something that has been proven wrong. Mstrbstr ( talk) 14:30, 14 March 2021 (UTC)
Today I removed some quotes from Süddeutsche Zeitung which had been translated to English; my edit summary was "Removed quotes from Süddeutsche Zeitung. Violated WP:FOREIGNQUOTE, and a report that she spoke at a conference isn't something people will care about in 10 years." Quickly Slatersteven reverted, saying "What is this policy?" I wish there was a way to correct edit summaries, I should have written MOS:FOREIGNQUOTE, which is a guideline. I have traced the addition to somewhere within a huge series of edits by Oceanflynn. Anyway, I don't think the rest of my edit summary was incorrect. Anybody else want to keep the quotes in? Peter Gulutzan ( talk) 15:48, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
She is right in questioning the impact of humans on global climate. The sun is more than a million times bigger than the earth. 97 percent of CO2 pollutions have natural causes.
46.93.243.186 ( talk) 03:11, 17 April 2021 (UTC)
The article's mention of YouTube may need updating. The reference pointing to her channel now reads: "This account has been terminated for violating YouTube's Community Guidelines." Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 18:40, 1 July 2021 (UTC)
What she says here is just whiny bullshit. There is no "connection" between climate change denial and holocaust denial, except that both are types of denialism. Moonlanding denial, evolution denial and other types of science denial are other examples.
It is just propaganda that tries to convince people that the correct term (climate change denial) is somehow inappropriate, and in accordance with WP:FRINGE, it does not belong on Wikipedia articles since Wikipedia is not a propaganda platform. -- Hob Gadling ( talk) 15:32, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
I think the last sentence in the lede is UNDUE and SOAP, "Seibt also describes herself as a "climate realist" [1] [2] and has denied allegations that she is a "puppet of the right wing or the climate deniers or the Heartland Institute". [3]" Given the sanctions and controversy, I'm discussing the matter first. The first addition I can find is by @ X-Editor:, here. -- Hipal ( talk) 16:12, 9 September 2023 (UTC) [1] [2] [3]
References
There's no consensus to include it, and the edit to create it looks very bold. Per BLP, it should stay out until there's consensus to include. I've gone ahead and removed it. -- Hipal ( talk) 22:48, 11 September 2023 (UTC)