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The picture next to the section "Establishment of the Nanking Safety Zone" is of bad quality, and although it is supposed to show a sword from a museum exposition, it is hard to see the actual weapon, it merely seems to be the mirrored version of the picture shown in the same article next to the section "Extrajudicial killing of Chinese prisoners of war", therefore it is redundant. Furthermore, using multiple versions of the same picture in the article is unfortunate when there is an ongoing heated debate about the accuracy of the actual circumstances of the incident. But I'll let the devoted editors to decide about this. Kolorado ( talk) 19:56, 16 March 2014 (UTC)
I think we should make the death toll claim at the start of the article, listed as over 200,000 because while most Chinese claim that over 300,000 were killed, many western historicans put the number at 200,000 to 250,000. I think it would be much more unbiased to do so, but since this article is locked, I need permission. In my opinion the I believe 200,000 were killed, because ten years before the massacre, the Nanking incident happened, in which a massive riot broke out against foreign residents in Nanking by Communists and Nationalist: /info/en/?search=Nanking_Incident — Preceding unsigned comment added by Graylandertagger ( talk • contribs) 02:01, 13 April 2014 (UTC)
There were complaints some time ago that some of the images in this article are disturbing. Disturbing enough that some find it difficult to read the text of the adjoining section. I'm not in favor of removing the images, but would it be appropriate to "collapse" them, providing text saying something like?
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Spiel496 ( talk) 18:44, 23 June 2014 (UTC)
150px does not depict Nanking but Tan-yang.
Caption: Soldiers from the Imperial Japanese Army enter Tan-yang in December 1937.
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Under section Battle of Nanking paragraph Pursuit and Mopping Up the sentence '"was literally packed with", the literally is redundant, should just read "was packed with" 199.90.58.143 ( talk) 19:57, 9 October 2014 (UTC)
Do we have an independent source to Dodd's statement other than
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2007-12/12/content_7236237.htm
I can't seem to find his statement covered in the western media. Hcobb ( talk) 19:03, 4 November 2014 (UTC)
This article contains indecent images not suitable for minors. They should be removed.
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Tagged in 2010 -- 'The people of Nanking fled in panic not only because of the dangers of the anticipated battle but also because they feared the deprivation inherent in the scorched earth strategy that the Chinese troops were implementing in the area surrounding the city.' - needs to go quick unless someone documents the statement! HammerFilmFan ( talk) 21:31, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
The article is currently titled "Nanking massacre", using the old Wade-Giles romanization convention. For one thing, Wade-Giles is no longer used by any country and has not been for quite some time. For another, I would argue under WP:COMMONNAME that the event is known better by "Nanjing Massacre" as compared to "Nanking Massacre."
For instance, "Nanjing Massacre" has twice as many hits on Google as "Nanking Massacre". To look at reliable/published sources specifically, "Nanjing Massacre" has ~10,000 hits on Google Books, whereas "Nanking Massacre" has ~6,000. On Google News, we have ~8,000 results for "Nanjing Massacre" vs. 604 results for "Nanking Massacre." Nanking Massacre may have been the common name in the past, but it's clear that it's far less prevalent now. As such, I suggest a name change. 140.180.255.205 ( talk) 02:56, 24 March 2015 (UTC)
If you're going to dismiss Google hits for "Rape of Nanking" then I don't see why Google hits should be used for evidence of any of the terms. That's just subjective selection. Without the evidence of Google hits, that nullifies nearly all the evidence that's been brought up in this proposed move. The only evidence left concerns use of the old Wade-Giles system., which is technical and unconvincing. Nobody would suggest moving Peking duck to "Beijing duck". - Boneyard90 ( talk) 12:07, 25 March 2015 (UTC)
I think that Binksternet's take on the issue makes the most sense. David A ( talk) 13:55, 25 March 2015 (UTC) I agree. The choice of romanization may not be politically motivated -- that seems a touch bizarre -- but it is arguably anachronistic. -- Yaush ( talk) 22:35, 25 March 2015 (UTC)
It's worth noting that if we look at news articles, Nanjing Massacre is far far more widely used (~7,400 hits) than Rape of Nanking (~1,140 hits.) Looking at Google Scholar results from 2010 and later, Nanjing Massacre has a slight advantage (1,120 hits) compared to Rape of Nanking (864 hits.) So my conclusions are that: - It's debatable whether Nanjing Massacre or Rape of Nanking are more popular today. The latter seems to be used in more books; the former used in more news articles (by a massive margin) and scholarly articles - However, Nanking Massacre is not really in use anymore. So, I think some sort of article title change is in order, whether we change it to "Rape of Nanking" or "Nanjing Massacre." My preference is for the latter. 140.180.249.73 ( talk) 21:21, 25 March 2015 (UTC)
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This article Nanking Massacre contains largely the one-side claims (one-side means in this case, Allies and Victors' governments of WW2 or Chinese or other communists activists or Anti-Japan activists), and we hugely suspect its neutrality. Either it includes the false photos that later were proved by historian as fabricated ones, either include too many deliberately written sentences that would cause the misunderstandings by westerns .
One-side claims
- The number of casualties, 40,000-300,000 has been never proved with evidences. And there are many other analysis made by several historians, but we cannot see any cites of them in the main page and thus it might cause the misunderstandings for taking this number as authorized although it suggests the wider range.
It lacks of accuracy of who was responsible for the sources, neither.
- These testimonies submitted by the Prosecutions at IMTFE have so many contradictions as many historians (not only so-called revisionists in Japan, but also Americans or other westerns) pointed out, some of which themselves apparently deny the massacre either or talk only with hearsay speculations, but main page shows only the excerpts that tell as if they are evidences that proved the massacre, despite that these members of testifiers didn't witness the crime made by Japanese army, and doesn't tell that the arguments of how there testimonies are reliable or not. That's unfair.
- There are some sentences that, in a unilateral way, define these historians who submitted objections, to be called as a "revisionist" , without testing if so. For example, in the first section of related topic Nanking Massacre denial there is this kind of expression. That's unfair.
On one hand, it's strongly biased to feature the argumentation made by these such as Katsuichi Honda to be read as a majority in Japanese discourse, for example, regardless of the fact that he is the one who took very much pro-China stance and was strongly influenced by communists thoughts than having the neutral position as a journalist.
-See also this article : Takemoto Tadao & Ohara Yasuo "The Alleged 'Nanking Massacre' Japan's rebuttal to China's forged claims"
http://www.ne.jp/asahi/unko/tamezou/nankin/alleged/chapter2-1.html#chapter2-1
This includes the objection submitted by several American historians, too.
Why not mention these objections ?
False Photos
-Why these fake photos and articles of the press fabricated by journalists and Chinese are still here on the main page?? without extra captions to tell the correction??
-for example, it's validated by the writer himself that the article of "Contest To Cut Down 100 People" was fabricated and the place and date where/when this photo was taken are not clear.
-Also "Photo taken in Xuzhou, showing the body of a woman who was profaned in a way similar to the teenager described in case 5 of John Magee's film" has no evidences that prove that the criminal was really Japanese, as Richard Finn, American historian later pointed out and criticized that there have no evidence in Iris Chang's 'The Rape of Nanking' for example. But caption and related issues tend to imply the criminal was Japanese. That's really unfair , rather assume sinisterness
-There are many other photos which were fabricated, for example, even Katsuichi Honda himself admitted those fabrications afterwards (but English translation of his page doesn't show this fact). Why don't you remove them or at least add the extra caption to correct them??
-See also this reference : Arimasa Kubo "The So-Called Nanking Massacre was a Fabrication"
http://www2.biglobe.ne.jp/remnant/nankingm.htm
Takemoto Tadao & Ohara Yasuo "The Alleged 'Nanking Massacre' Japan's rebuttal to China's forged claims"
http://www.ne.jp/asahi/unko/tamezou/nankin/alleged/chapter3.html#chapter3
These are not enough to show our objections, but I'm not a specialist of this topic, so won't write more.
But at least the authors of this subject have to deal with these objections. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sarbador 3 ( talk • contribs) 08:39, 19 August 2016 (UTC) — Sarbador 3 ( talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
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Interesting NGRAM: "Nanjing massacre" has been the preferred spelling for the entire lifetime of Wikipedia (since 1995, it seems, predating even Chang's book), and use of "Nanking massacre" has fallen so precipitously that since 2006 "Nanjing massacre" has outnumbered "Nanking massacre" by nearly 4 to 1. Given that the city never changed its name—only its romanization—the city's article is at Nanjing, and this article itself uses "Nanjing" in the lead, what arguments are there for keeping the title at a non-standard romanization? Curly "JFC" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 22:56, 4 May 2017 (UTC)
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Original text:
"The event remains a contentious political issue, as aspects of it have been disputed by historical negationists and Japanese nationalists,[8] who assert that the massacre has been either exaggerated or fabricated for propaganda purposes.[13][14][15] The controversy surrounding the massacre remains a stumbling block in Sino-Japanese relations and in Japanese relations with other Asia-Pacific nations, such as South Korea and the Philippines.[16]"
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"The event remains a contentious political issue and a stumbling block in Sino-Japanese relations. The Chinese government has been accused of overly exaggerating aspects of the massacre such as the
death toll
[1], while historical negationists and Japanese nationalists[8] go as far as claiming the massacre was fabricated for propaganda purposes.[13][14][15] The controversy surrounding the massacre remains a central issue in Japanese relations with other Asia-Pacific nations as well, such as South Korea and the Philippines.[16]"
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This edit aims to correct a phrasing that is slightly biased, based on the provided link.
Mainly, the phrasing was misleading as it gave the impression that Japanese nationalists and historical negationists are solely responsible for the discord between Japanese and Chinese government. Although the existence of these vocal negationists needs to be mentioned, the issue about the political discord is more complex, and revolves more on the death toll rather than the existence of the massacre (thus the proposal for a link to the wikipedia page about the death toll). Furthermore, it is worth mentioning that an additional reason why the two countries cannot agree on a death toll is because China has been keeping a hard line of 300,000 civilian death, a number most scholars nowadays would admit is exaggerated (cf the link to the academic article by Askew in [1]). I do not wish the downplay the responsibility of Japan in this conflict, but I think it would be biased not mention the responsibility of the Chinese government. Japan is responsible for the massacre, but not necessarily for the current discord between the two countries. Nijies ( talk) 21:48, 6 July 2017 (UTC)
"Perhaps the most notorious atrocity was a killing contest between two Japanese officers as reported in the Tokyo Nichi Nichi Shimbun and the English language Japan Advertiser. The contest — a race between the two officers to see which could kill 100 people first using only a sword — was covered much like a sporting event with regular updates on the score over a series of days.[27][28] In Japan, the veracity of the newspaper article about the contest was the subject of ferocious debate for several decades starting in 1967.[29]
In 2000, historian Bob Tadashi Wakabayashi concurred with certain Japanese scholars who had argued that the contest was a concocted story, with the collusion of the soldiers themselves for the purpose of raising the national fighting spirit.[30]
In 2005, a Tokyo district judge dismissed a suit by the families of the lieutenants, stating that "the lieutenants admitted the fact that they raced to kill 100 people" and that the story cannot be proven to be clearly false.[31] The judge also ruled against the civil claim of the plaintiffs because the original article was more than 60 years old.[32] The historicity of the event remains disputed in Japan.[33]"
(Wouldn't this be better.........)
In 1937 the Tokyo Nichi Shimbun and the English language Japan Advertiser reported on an alleged contest between two (named) Japanese officer, to see who could kill 100 enemy first. Controversy has raged ever since about a) whether the contest actually took place, b) whether the reported results of such a contest would imply that submissive prisoners of war or civilians must have been included in the total.
Whether the contest actually took place, and whether or not the death count included civilians, the manner of the reporting tells us much about the environment in Japan in the mid-late 1930's. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.140.189.138 ( talk) 22:46, 9 July 2017 (UTC)
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Books in Turkish it is absolutely unreliable source. The figure in 100 people looks as too small. It could be just casual victims which didn't have any relation to this mass slaughter. All victims among Muslims (if such really were) are provoked by the Chinese chauvinists hating Islam and Muslims. Muslims have no reasons to hate Japanese.Let better Turks be engaged in own crimes of racist character, made together with Torkaman-Shiites against Sunni Muslims on border with Syria. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.172.58.15 ( talk) 12:44, 13 August 2017 (UTC)
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I would like someone in authority to pass judgment on whether it is necessary or good form to include the photo. I find it highly disturbing. I am a woman. I don't think it would be a good thing for children to see. Christinedoby ( talk) 17:00, 4 April 2018 (UTC)
The Citation 2, "nankingatrocities.net" has moved to " http://thenanjingmassacre.org". This website is also listed as an external link #3. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 104.207.83.17 ( talk • contribs) 07:45, 5 July 2015 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Not moved. Clear consensus against move. ( non-admin closure) – Ammarpad ( talk) 13:18, 19 September 2018 (UTC)
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The picture next to the section "Establishment of the Nanking Safety Zone" is of bad quality, and although it is supposed to show a sword from a museum exposition, it is hard to see the actual weapon, it merely seems to be the mirrored version of the picture shown in the same article next to the section "Extrajudicial killing of Chinese prisoners of war", therefore it is redundant. Furthermore, using multiple versions of the same picture in the article is unfortunate when there is an ongoing heated debate about the accuracy of the actual circumstances of the incident. But I'll let the devoted editors to decide about this. Kolorado ( talk) 19:56, 16 March 2014 (UTC)
I think we should make the death toll claim at the start of the article, listed as over 200,000 because while most Chinese claim that over 300,000 were killed, many western historicans put the number at 200,000 to 250,000. I think it would be much more unbiased to do so, but since this article is locked, I need permission. In my opinion the I believe 200,000 were killed, because ten years before the massacre, the Nanking incident happened, in which a massive riot broke out against foreign residents in Nanking by Communists and Nationalist: /info/en/?search=Nanking_Incident — Preceding unsigned comment added by Graylandertagger ( talk • contribs) 02:01, 13 April 2014 (UTC)
There were complaints some time ago that some of the images in this article are disturbing. Disturbing enough that some find it difficult to read the text of the adjoining section. I'm not in favor of removing the images, but would it be appropriate to "collapse" them, providing text saying something like?
Disturbing image |
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Spiel496 ( talk) 18:44, 23 June 2014 (UTC)
150px does not depict Nanking but Tan-yang.
Caption: Soldiers from the Imperial Japanese Army enter Tan-yang in December 1937.
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Under section Battle of Nanking paragraph Pursuit and Mopping Up the sentence '"was literally packed with", the literally is redundant, should just read "was packed with" 199.90.58.143 ( talk) 19:57, 9 October 2014 (UTC)
Do we have an independent source to Dodd's statement other than
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2007-12/12/content_7236237.htm
I can't seem to find his statement covered in the western media. Hcobb ( talk) 19:03, 4 November 2014 (UTC)
This article contains indecent images not suitable for minors. They should be removed.
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This is now a formal dispute. Please discuss. LoveJapanChika ( talk) 21:58, 29 November 2014 (UTC)
Tagged in 2010 -- 'The people of Nanking fled in panic not only because of the dangers of the anticipated battle but also because they feared the deprivation inherent in the scorched earth strategy that the Chinese troops were implementing in the area surrounding the city.' - needs to go quick unless someone documents the statement! HammerFilmFan ( talk) 21:31, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
The article is currently titled "Nanking massacre", using the old Wade-Giles romanization convention. For one thing, Wade-Giles is no longer used by any country and has not been for quite some time. For another, I would argue under WP:COMMONNAME that the event is known better by "Nanjing Massacre" as compared to "Nanking Massacre."
For instance, "Nanjing Massacre" has twice as many hits on Google as "Nanking Massacre". To look at reliable/published sources specifically, "Nanjing Massacre" has ~10,000 hits on Google Books, whereas "Nanking Massacre" has ~6,000. On Google News, we have ~8,000 results for "Nanjing Massacre" vs. 604 results for "Nanking Massacre." Nanking Massacre may have been the common name in the past, but it's clear that it's far less prevalent now. As such, I suggest a name change. 140.180.255.205 ( talk) 02:56, 24 March 2015 (UTC)
If you're going to dismiss Google hits for "Rape of Nanking" then I don't see why Google hits should be used for evidence of any of the terms. That's just subjective selection. Without the evidence of Google hits, that nullifies nearly all the evidence that's been brought up in this proposed move. The only evidence left concerns use of the old Wade-Giles system., which is technical and unconvincing. Nobody would suggest moving Peking duck to "Beijing duck". - Boneyard90 ( talk) 12:07, 25 March 2015 (UTC)
I think that Binksternet's take on the issue makes the most sense. David A ( talk) 13:55, 25 March 2015 (UTC) I agree. The choice of romanization may not be politically motivated -- that seems a touch bizarre -- but it is arguably anachronistic. -- Yaush ( talk) 22:35, 25 March 2015 (UTC)
It's worth noting that if we look at news articles, Nanjing Massacre is far far more widely used (~7,400 hits) than Rape of Nanking (~1,140 hits.) Looking at Google Scholar results from 2010 and later, Nanjing Massacre has a slight advantage (1,120 hits) compared to Rape of Nanking (864 hits.) So my conclusions are that: - It's debatable whether Nanjing Massacre or Rape of Nanking are more popular today. The latter seems to be used in more books; the former used in more news articles (by a massive margin) and scholarly articles - However, Nanking Massacre is not really in use anymore. So, I think some sort of article title change is in order, whether we change it to "Rape of Nanking" or "Nanjing Massacre." My preference is for the latter. 140.180.249.73 ( talk) 21:21, 25 March 2015 (UTC)
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This article Nanking Massacre contains largely the one-side claims (one-side means in this case, Allies and Victors' governments of WW2 or Chinese or other communists activists or Anti-Japan activists), and we hugely suspect its neutrality. Either it includes the false photos that later were proved by historian as fabricated ones, either include too many deliberately written sentences that would cause the misunderstandings by westerns .
One-side claims
- The number of casualties, 40,000-300,000 has been never proved with evidences. And there are many other analysis made by several historians, but we cannot see any cites of them in the main page and thus it might cause the misunderstandings for taking this number as authorized although it suggests the wider range.
It lacks of accuracy of who was responsible for the sources, neither.
- These testimonies submitted by the Prosecutions at IMTFE have so many contradictions as many historians (not only so-called revisionists in Japan, but also Americans or other westerns) pointed out, some of which themselves apparently deny the massacre either or talk only with hearsay speculations, but main page shows only the excerpts that tell as if they are evidences that proved the massacre, despite that these members of testifiers didn't witness the crime made by Japanese army, and doesn't tell that the arguments of how there testimonies are reliable or not. That's unfair.
- There are some sentences that, in a unilateral way, define these historians who submitted objections, to be called as a "revisionist" , without testing if so. For example, in the first section of related topic Nanking Massacre denial there is this kind of expression. That's unfair.
On one hand, it's strongly biased to feature the argumentation made by these such as Katsuichi Honda to be read as a majority in Japanese discourse, for example, regardless of the fact that he is the one who took very much pro-China stance and was strongly influenced by communists thoughts than having the neutral position as a journalist.
-See also this article : Takemoto Tadao & Ohara Yasuo "The Alleged 'Nanking Massacre' Japan's rebuttal to China's forged claims"
http://www.ne.jp/asahi/unko/tamezou/nankin/alleged/chapter2-1.html#chapter2-1
This includes the objection submitted by several American historians, too.
Why not mention these objections ?
False Photos
-Why these fake photos and articles of the press fabricated by journalists and Chinese are still here on the main page?? without extra captions to tell the correction??
-for example, it's validated by the writer himself that the article of "Contest To Cut Down 100 People" was fabricated and the place and date where/when this photo was taken are not clear.
-Also "Photo taken in Xuzhou, showing the body of a woman who was profaned in a way similar to the teenager described in case 5 of John Magee's film" has no evidences that prove that the criminal was really Japanese, as Richard Finn, American historian later pointed out and criticized that there have no evidence in Iris Chang's 'The Rape of Nanking' for example. But caption and related issues tend to imply the criminal was Japanese. That's really unfair , rather assume sinisterness
-There are many other photos which were fabricated, for example, even Katsuichi Honda himself admitted those fabrications afterwards (but English translation of his page doesn't show this fact). Why don't you remove them or at least add the extra caption to correct them??
-See also this reference : Arimasa Kubo "The So-Called Nanking Massacre was a Fabrication"
http://www2.biglobe.ne.jp/remnant/nankingm.htm
Takemoto Tadao & Ohara Yasuo "The Alleged 'Nanking Massacre' Japan's rebuttal to China's forged claims"
http://www.ne.jp/asahi/unko/tamezou/nankin/alleged/chapter3.html#chapter3
These are not enough to show our objections, but I'm not a specialist of this topic, so won't write more.
But at least the authors of this subject have to deal with these objections. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sarbador 3 ( talk • contribs) 08:39, 19 August 2016 (UTC) — Sarbador 3 ( talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
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Interesting NGRAM: "Nanjing massacre" has been the preferred spelling for the entire lifetime of Wikipedia (since 1995, it seems, predating even Chang's book), and use of "Nanking massacre" has fallen so precipitously that since 2006 "Nanjing massacre" has outnumbered "Nanking massacre" by nearly 4 to 1. Given that the city never changed its name—only its romanization—the city's article is at Nanjing, and this article itself uses "Nanjing" in the lead, what arguments are there for keeping the title at a non-standard romanization? Curly "JFC" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 22:56, 4 May 2017 (UTC)
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Edit request for introduction, paragraph 4:
Original text:
"The event remains a contentious political issue, as aspects of it have been disputed by historical negationists and Japanese nationalists,[8] who assert that the massacre has been either exaggerated or fabricated for propaganda purposes.[13][14][15] The controversy surrounding the massacre remains a stumbling block in Sino-Japanese relations and in Japanese relations with other Asia-Pacific nations, such as South Korea and the Philippines.[16]"
Proposed version:
"The event remains a contentious political issue and a stumbling block in Sino-Japanese relations. The Chinese government has been accused of overly exaggerating aspects of the massacre such as the
death toll
[1], while historical negationists and Japanese nationalists[8] go as far as claiming the massacre was fabricated for propaganda purposes.[13][14][15] The controversy surrounding the massacre remains a central issue in Japanese relations with other Asia-Pacific nations as well, such as South Korea and the Philippines.[16]"
Reason:
This edit aims to correct a phrasing that is slightly biased, based on the provided link.
Mainly, the phrasing was misleading as it gave the impression that Japanese nationalists and historical negationists are solely responsible for the discord between Japanese and Chinese government. Although the existence of these vocal negationists needs to be mentioned, the issue about the political discord is more complex, and revolves more on the death toll rather than the existence of the massacre (thus the proposal for a link to the wikipedia page about the death toll). Furthermore, it is worth mentioning that an additional reason why the two countries cannot agree on a death toll is because China has been keeping a hard line of 300,000 civilian death, a number most scholars nowadays would admit is exaggerated (cf the link to the academic article by Askew in [1]). I do not wish the downplay the responsibility of Japan in this conflict, but I think it would be biased not mention the responsibility of the Chinese government. Japan is responsible for the massacre, but not necessarily for the current discord between the two countries. Nijies ( talk) 21:48, 6 July 2017 (UTC)
"Perhaps the most notorious atrocity was a killing contest between two Japanese officers as reported in the Tokyo Nichi Nichi Shimbun and the English language Japan Advertiser. The contest — a race between the two officers to see which could kill 100 people first using only a sword — was covered much like a sporting event with regular updates on the score over a series of days.[27][28] In Japan, the veracity of the newspaper article about the contest was the subject of ferocious debate for several decades starting in 1967.[29]
In 2000, historian Bob Tadashi Wakabayashi concurred with certain Japanese scholars who had argued that the contest was a concocted story, with the collusion of the soldiers themselves for the purpose of raising the national fighting spirit.[30]
In 2005, a Tokyo district judge dismissed a suit by the families of the lieutenants, stating that "the lieutenants admitted the fact that they raced to kill 100 people" and that the story cannot be proven to be clearly false.[31] The judge also ruled against the civil claim of the plaintiffs because the original article was more than 60 years old.[32] The historicity of the event remains disputed in Japan.[33]"
(Wouldn't this be better.........)
In 1937 the Tokyo Nichi Shimbun and the English language Japan Advertiser reported on an alleged contest between two (named) Japanese officer, to see who could kill 100 enemy first. Controversy has raged ever since about a) whether the contest actually took place, b) whether the reported results of such a contest would imply that submissive prisoners of war or civilians must have been included in the total.
Whether the contest actually took place, and whether or not the death count included civilians, the manner of the reporting tells us much about the environment in Japan in the mid-late 1930's. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.140.189.138 ( talk) 22:46, 9 July 2017 (UTC)
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Books in Turkish it is absolutely unreliable source. The figure in 100 people looks as too small. It could be just casual victims which didn't have any relation to this mass slaughter. All victims among Muslims (if such really were) are provoked by the Chinese chauvinists hating Islam and Muslims. Muslims have no reasons to hate Japanese.Let better Turks be engaged in own crimes of racist character, made together with Torkaman-Shiites against Sunni Muslims on border with Syria. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.172.58.15 ( talk) 12:44, 13 August 2017 (UTC)
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I would like someone in authority to pass judgment on whether it is necessary or good form to include the photo. I find it highly disturbing. I am a woman. I don't think it would be a good thing for children to see. Christinedoby ( talk) 17:00, 4 April 2018 (UTC)
The Citation 2, "nankingatrocities.net" has moved to " http://thenanjingmassacre.org". This website is also listed as an external link #3. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 104.207.83.17 ( talk • contribs) 07:45, 5 July 2015 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Not moved. Clear consensus against move. ( non-admin closure) – Ammarpad ( talk) 13:18, 19 September 2018 (UTC)
Nanking Massacre →
Nanjing Massacre – Per main article.
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