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Appears I was mistaken in my cleanup request before. It had appeared then that the article was a bit unorganized. I'd noticed the string of headings named after locations Lady Astor lived, followed by two headings which didn't follow this pattern. With a cursory glance, I assumed the subsections were out of chronological order, which as I now know isn't the case. If another is comfortable with the article as it is, respond here and feel free to remove the cleanup notice. jareha 19:06, 20 October 2005 (UTC)
I've done a fair bit of cleanup, mostly regarding verb usage/tense, formal tone, and clarity. When I started on it, it was a jumble of English and American spelling; despite the fact that both Lady Astor and I are Americans, I standardized (or is that "standardised"?) it all to English spellings. It needed to be one or the other, and I thought that was more appropriate since she spent most of her adult life there and is probably best known for being a Member of Parliament, and of course Lord Astor's wife. If anyone disagrees, feel free to change it. It was a gut decision at best.
The article still needs a good bit of work in my opinion. I'll be back to work on it, and of course I'm happy to have help, especially with sources because that's a weak area for me. And there are lots of places that need sources, far more than I've bothered to tag. Thanks! -- edi 10:54, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
Ok, I've done about all I can see to do with it, other than sourcing. I'd appreciate if someone could have a look just to see if I've missed anything... it's hard to proofread one's own work very reliably... and then maybe remove the other two tags and remove the article from the cleanup page. And, as I've said, the sourcing still needs to be done, but I'm opting out of that bit. It's just not my thing at all. Thanks again. -- edi 21:24, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
This article is now terribly jumbled and americanised again. Mainly in terminology, it refers to a period where she was talking to a "fellow House member", which rings greater familiarity with the fact that the US House of Representatives is often called the 'House'. In the UK they would be called a 'fellow MP' or a 'fellow member of the Commons'. Also it refers to her being 'popular in her district' when in the UK we call them 'constituencies'. I don't have the time to edit this, could someone else? 137.205.246.4 ( talk) 19:12, 20 June 2010 (UTC)
A cleanup element? Under "Early years in Parliament" is the sentence "The Duchess of Atholl (elected to Parliament in 1923, four years after Lady Astor) rose to higher levels in the Tory Party before Astor did, and this was fine." The clause (and comma establishing the clause) "and this was fine" seems entirely unencyclopedic--unless unspoken is "fine with her," followed by a citation for same, or something. Kcor53 ( talk) 14:00, 6 December 2014 (UTC)
A quick google search reveals this clarification: http://www.bbc.co.uk/ww2peopleswar/stories/70/a2708570.shtml
Anyone prepared to trawl through HANSARD, or is this enough of a source? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 149.170.39.36 ( talk) 10:47, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
The entire 8th Army is enough of a source. They hated her to a man - it can't have been a fiction; my dad served from 1939 - 1945, and used to sing me to sleep with the cleaner verses when I was little. Now he is dead, I hate her in his stead. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.175.132.167 ( talk) 00:38, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
Is this the same Lady Astor who quipped often with Winston Churchill? I've heard of these:
If this is indeed the same Lady Astor, can we add a few comments about her relationship with Churchill? Kent Wang 16:58, 30 July 2005 (UTC)
Nothing is said about her link with "The Times" owned from 1922 to 1963 by her husband's brother John Jacob Astor, 1st Baron Astor of Hever (1886–1971). Its editor then was, like her, an activist of German appeasement, Geoffrey Dawson.
As members of the Milner group, Lady and Lord Astor used The Times to publicize the idea and the name "British Commonwealth of Nations". They used The Times to promote pro-British propaganda for the Second Boer War. It is highly significant and her involvement is highly relevant. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Xkit ( talk • contribs) 00:31, 21 September 2014 (UTC)
Did anyone else happen to notice that Lady Astor and her husband shared the same birthday, both date and year? (19 May 1879)
I added POV and voice tags. At least the first sections are very casual and chatty, and contain conclusions, speculation and editorialising. Anchoress 17:11, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
Much is said here of her anti-catholicism. But according to Joseph Kennedy's article, she enjoyed a friendship with him. They corresponded and the issue of antisemitism is how she shows up at Joseph Kennedy's entry. How did she come to be friends with Joseph Kennedy? PaulPk 17:56, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
"Viscountess Nancy Witcher Langhorne Astor assured Kennedy early in their friendship that he should not be put off by her pronounced and proud anti-Catholicism. 'I'm glad you are smart enough not to take my [views] personally,'"-- T. Anthony 12:11, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
A minor point, but Cliveden itself wasn't turned into a hospital in WW1. Rather, the indoor tennis court became the foundation of the Duchess of Connaught's Canadian Red Cross Hospital, and grew from there. The hospital was dismantled after the war, but a new one was built in the grounds at the outbreak of WW2, when the Astors once more offered the space to the Canadian Army Medical Corps. An account of this second hospital, only recently demolished, can be read in the autobiography by Dr.Charles H.A.Walton - Medical Odyssey: Vignettes of People and Events at Home and Abroad. The Winnipeg Clinic, 1980. 65.95.29.246 12:25, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
I'm trying to see the humour of the "Why, Charlie, you know" repsonse to the "what have the Astors done for me?" heckler. I'm guessing she's pretending to be a good friend of "Charlie" the heckler, but (a) I'm not sure that's the right explanation and (b) I don't think it's very funny. Is there no clearer example of her supposedly sharp repartee that might replace this confusing squib? jnestorius( talk) 12:28, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
...labour and had been badly damaged by the effects of the American Civil War. Because of this, Nancy Langhorne's early years were spent in near-poverty conditions, but shortly after her birth her father regained the family wealth, first as an auctioneer and later through his involvement with the railroad.
This frankly does not make a lot of sense. If her father regained the family wealth shortly after her birth (a year? a month? a week?) how could her early years have been spent in near poverty? Clarification would be helpful here. BingoDingo ( talk) 19:17, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
"...Nancy met and married her first husband, Robert Gould Shaw, a relative of Robert Gould Shaw of Fort Wagner fame,..."
Her first husband was related to himself? The statement either needs to be reworded/corrected, or removed. Duchess of Bathwick ( talk · contribs) 03:07, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
someone has cut and paste this entire page into their website http://entertainment.webshots.com/photo/2794646010094285158JqTzoq
Poor practice this isn't it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.138.161.253 ( talk) 08:11, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
I don't think the quotes section should be here. Move it to wikiquote. Also, while these quotes are sometimes attributed to her, its doubtful she said most of them. "I marry beneath me, all women do" has been attributed to nearly every famous, controversial married woman in history. In my opinion it's a shame for anyone to associate these quotes with a racist, callous, trouble-making, attention-craving snob, especially the famous quotes used on feminist bumper stickers. She wasn't really all that witty, just outrageous and paranoid. (Compared to Sarah Palin though she's bloody Oscar Wilde.) Her sense of humor relied on controversy, not cleverness. Check out her correspondence; it convinced me she faked her way into Bartlett's. 76.105.254.23 ( talk) 10:54, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
Nancy Astor is nearly as famous for her scathing wit as she is for her political career. Examples of statements that have been attributed to her include:
Isn't Cliveden located in Buckinghamshire? Kalpak ( talk) 00:48, 28 November 2010 (UTC)kalpak
A section called 'Nazi Sympathies' doesn't seem to have evidence of such, and as such a serious allegation, it should really be more absolute. In fact unless there's verifiable proof, even the amended title - ALLEGED Nazi sympathies - is still rather strong. 'Position on Nazism' or something perhaps? Marty jar ( talk) 19:25, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
I removed the reference to Churchill and Lady Astor. He made the comment about being sober in the morning to Bessie Braddock. He would never have said it to Lady Astor - she was beautiful and a fellow Tory MP. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.166.150.40 ( talk) 19:27, 27 September 2011 (UTC)
She is in the category Naturalized citizens which I hope is a requiring to hold office but the text of the article doesn't seem to mention when this occurred. Does anyone know the year? I notice her husband's article (also an American-born UK politician) doesn't have him in that category or mention his date of naturalization either. And her father-in-law's article (a UK nob but not a politician) mentions his naturalization date but doesn't have him in the category. Rmhermen ( talk) 15:50, 30 December 2011 (UTC)
In the wikipedia page about D-Day Dodgers, it says that Lady Astor denies being the person who coined this phrase. In this article it doesn't mention this - it implies that she did in fact say this.
It seems like it would be fair to her to note this possibility - that she perhaps did not say this.
GreenAsJade ( talk) 11:37, 5 April 2013 (UTC)
Nothing about her relationship with her sons, especially the disastrous elder two, Bobbie the alcoholic jailbird and Bill who starred in the Profumo scandal. Valetude ( talk) 05:09, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
While the section examining her interest in Christian Science does not pinpoint a conversion date, I notice it was before her election as MP. Can she be claimed as the First Christian Scientist by/general election victor? (I asked this question about Victor Cazalet in talk page of his article but he can be ruled out seeing his first election to the House was in 1924.) Cloptonson ( talk) 20:38, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
This could be seen in Edit mode under the WW2 section about the song, "The D-Day ..." - it wasn't visible in the article: ' < ! -- It was tommy-rot in the published versions, but as written, it was bloody rot - as sung in Pipes, Goatskin & Bones. The first sentence of this para can be cited via Raymond Ross's anthology of Henderson's poetry and songs.-- > ' whatever it is, what were you trying to do with it? Note what the < and > brackets do. HammerFilmFan ( talk) 14:00, 28 November 2014 (UTC)
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The second paragraph of the introduction states, "Astor was an advocate for temperance, welfare, education reform and women's rights." I added links to all subjects, however I wasn't quite sure about temperance; it could refer to abstinence from alcohol, or a manner of living in general. None of the cited sources specifically identified this issue, however one did note that she got the legal age for sale of alcohol raised from 14 (!!) to 18. Temperance, as it relates to alcohol, seemed the most likely choice anyway, considering the context. But just thought I'd point out it wasn't entirely clear. Ghost writer's cat ( talk) 02:51, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
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Appears I was mistaken in my cleanup request before. It had appeared then that the article was a bit unorganized. I'd noticed the string of headings named after locations Lady Astor lived, followed by two headings which didn't follow this pattern. With a cursory glance, I assumed the subsections were out of chronological order, which as I now know isn't the case. If another is comfortable with the article as it is, respond here and feel free to remove the cleanup notice. jareha 19:06, 20 October 2005 (UTC)
I've done a fair bit of cleanup, mostly regarding verb usage/tense, formal tone, and clarity. When I started on it, it was a jumble of English and American spelling; despite the fact that both Lady Astor and I are Americans, I standardized (or is that "standardised"?) it all to English spellings. It needed to be one or the other, and I thought that was more appropriate since she spent most of her adult life there and is probably best known for being a Member of Parliament, and of course Lord Astor's wife. If anyone disagrees, feel free to change it. It was a gut decision at best.
The article still needs a good bit of work in my opinion. I'll be back to work on it, and of course I'm happy to have help, especially with sources because that's a weak area for me. And there are lots of places that need sources, far more than I've bothered to tag. Thanks! -- edi 10:54, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
Ok, I've done about all I can see to do with it, other than sourcing. I'd appreciate if someone could have a look just to see if I've missed anything... it's hard to proofread one's own work very reliably... and then maybe remove the other two tags and remove the article from the cleanup page. And, as I've said, the sourcing still needs to be done, but I'm opting out of that bit. It's just not my thing at all. Thanks again. -- edi 21:24, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
This article is now terribly jumbled and americanised again. Mainly in terminology, it refers to a period where she was talking to a "fellow House member", which rings greater familiarity with the fact that the US House of Representatives is often called the 'House'. In the UK they would be called a 'fellow MP' or a 'fellow member of the Commons'. Also it refers to her being 'popular in her district' when in the UK we call them 'constituencies'. I don't have the time to edit this, could someone else? 137.205.246.4 ( talk) 19:12, 20 June 2010 (UTC)
A cleanup element? Under "Early years in Parliament" is the sentence "The Duchess of Atholl (elected to Parliament in 1923, four years after Lady Astor) rose to higher levels in the Tory Party before Astor did, and this was fine." The clause (and comma establishing the clause) "and this was fine" seems entirely unencyclopedic--unless unspoken is "fine with her," followed by a citation for same, or something. Kcor53 ( talk) 14:00, 6 December 2014 (UTC)
A quick google search reveals this clarification: http://www.bbc.co.uk/ww2peopleswar/stories/70/a2708570.shtml
Anyone prepared to trawl through HANSARD, or is this enough of a source? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 149.170.39.36 ( talk) 10:47, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
The entire 8th Army is enough of a source. They hated her to a man - it can't have been a fiction; my dad served from 1939 - 1945, and used to sing me to sleep with the cleaner verses when I was little. Now he is dead, I hate her in his stead. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.175.132.167 ( talk) 00:38, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
Is this the same Lady Astor who quipped often with Winston Churchill? I've heard of these:
If this is indeed the same Lady Astor, can we add a few comments about her relationship with Churchill? Kent Wang 16:58, 30 July 2005 (UTC)
Nothing is said about her link with "The Times" owned from 1922 to 1963 by her husband's brother John Jacob Astor, 1st Baron Astor of Hever (1886–1971). Its editor then was, like her, an activist of German appeasement, Geoffrey Dawson.
As members of the Milner group, Lady and Lord Astor used The Times to publicize the idea and the name "British Commonwealth of Nations". They used The Times to promote pro-British propaganda for the Second Boer War. It is highly significant and her involvement is highly relevant. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Xkit ( talk • contribs) 00:31, 21 September 2014 (UTC)
Did anyone else happen to notice that Lady Astor and her husband shared the same birthday, both date and year? (19 May 1879)
I added POV and voice tags. At least the first sections are very casual and chatty, and contain conclusions, speculation and editorialising. Anchoress 17:11, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
Much is said here of her anti-catholicism. But according to Joseph Kennedy's article, she enjoyed a friendship with him. They corresponded and the issue of antisemitism is how she shows up at Joseph Kennedy's entry. How did she come to be friends with Joseph Kennedy? PaulPk 17:56, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
"Viscountess Nancy Witcher Langhorne Astor assured Kennedy early in their friendship that he should not be put off by her pronounced and proud anti-Catholicism. 'I'm glad you are smart enough not to take my [views] personally,'"-- T. Anthony 12:11, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
A minor point, but Cliveden itself wasn't turned into a hospital in WW1. Rather, the indoor tennis court became the foundation of the Duchess of Connaught's Canadian Red Cross Hospital, and grew from there. The hospital was dismantled after the war, but a new one was built in the grounds at the outbreak of WW2, when the Astors once more offered the space to the Canadian Army Medical Corps. An account of this second hospital, only recently demolished, can be read in the autobiography by Dr.Charles H.A.Walton - Medical Odyssey: Vignettes of People and Events at Home and Abroad. The Winnipeg Clinic, 1980. 65.95.29.246 12:25, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
I'm trying to see the humour of the "Why, Charlie, you know" repsonse to the "what have the Astors done for me?" heckler. I'm guessing she's pretending to be a good friend of "Charlie" the heckler, but (a) I'm not sure that's the right explanation and (b) I don't think it's very funny. Is there no clearer example of her supposedly sharp repartee that might replace this confusing squib? jnestorius( talk) 12:28, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
...labour and had been badly damaged by the effects of the American Civil War. Because of this, Nancy Langhorne's early years were spent in near-poverty conditions, but shortly after her birth her father regained the family wealth, first as an auctioneer and later through his involvement with the railroad.
This frankly does not make a lot of sense. If her father regained the family wealth shortly after her birth (a year? a month? a week?) how could her early years have been spent in near poverty? Clarification would be helpful here. BingoDingo ( talk) 19:17, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
"...Nancy met and married her first husband, Robert Gould Shaw, a relative of Robert Gould Shaw of Fort Wagner fame,..."
Her first husband was related to himself? The statement either needs to be reworded/corrected, or removed. Duchess of Bathwick ( talk · contribs) 03:07, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
someone has cut and paste this entire page into their website http://entertainment.webshots.com/photo/2794646010094285158JqTzoq
Poor practice this isn't it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.138.161.253 ( talk) 08:11, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
I don't think the quotes section should be here. Move it to wikiquote. Also, while these quotes are sometimes attributed to her, its doubtful she said most of them. "I marry beneath me, all women do" has been attributed to nearly every famous, controversial married woman in history. In my opinion it's a shame for anyone to associate these quotes with a racist, callous, trouble-making, attention-craving snob, especially the famous quotes used on feminist bumper stickers. She wasn't really all that witty, just outrageous and paranoid. (Compared to Sarah Palin though she's bloody Oscar Wilde.) Her sense of humor relied on controversy, not cleverness. Check out her correspondence; it convinced me she faked her way into Bartlett's. 76.105.254.23 ( talk) 10:54, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
Nancy Astor is nearly as famous for her scathing wit as she is for her political career. Examples of statements that have been attributed to her include:
Isn't Cliveden located in Buckinghamshire? Kalpak ( talk) 00:48, 28 November 2010 (UTC)kalpak
A section called 'Nazi Sympathies' doesn't seem to have evidence of such, and as such a serious allegation, it should really be more absolute. In fact unless there's verifiable proof, even the amended title - ALLEGED Nazi sympathies - is still rather strong. 'Position on Nazism' or something perhaps? Marty jar ( talk) 19:25, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
I removed the reference to Churchill and Lady Astor. He made the comment about being sober in the morning to Bessie Braddock. He would never have said it to Lady Astor - she was beautiful and a fellow Tory MP. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.166.150.40 ( talk) 19:27, 27 September 2011 (UTC)
She is in the category Naturalized citizens which I hope is a requiring to hold office but the text of the article doesn't seem to mention when this occurred. Does anyone know the year? I notice her husband's article (also an American-born UK politician) doesn't have him in that category or mention his date of naturalization either. And her father-in-law's article (a UK nob but not a politician) mentions his naturalization date but doesn't have him in the category. Rmhermen ( talk) 15:50, 30 December 2011 (UTC)
In the wikipedia page about D-Day Dodgers, it says that Lady Astor denies being the person who coined this phrase. In this article it doesn't mention this - it implies that she did in fact say this.
It seems like it would be fair to her to note this possibility - that she perhaps did not say this.
GreenAsJade ( talk) 11:37, 5 April 2013 (UTC)
Nothing about her relationship with her sons, especially the disastrous elder two, Bobbie the alcoholic jailbird and Bill who starred in the Profumo scandal. Valetude ( talk) 05:09, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
While the section examining her interest in Christian Science does not pinpoint a conversion date, I notice it was before her election as MP. Can she be claimed as the First Christian Scientist by/general election victor? (I asked this question about Victor Cazalet in talk page of his article but he can be ruled out seeing his first election to the House was in 1924.) Cloptonson ( talk) 20:38, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
This could be seen in Edit mode under the WW2 section about the song, "The D-Day ..." - it wasn't visible in the article: ' < ! -- It was tommy-rot in the published versions, but as written, it was bloody rot - as sung in Pipes, Goatskin & Bones. The first sentence of this para can be cited via Raymond Ross's anthology of Henderson's poetry and songs.-- > ' whatever it is, what were you trying to do with it? Note what the < and > brackets do. HammerFilmFan ( talk) 14:00, 28 November 2014 (UTC)
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The second paragraph of the introduction states, "Astor was an advocate for temperance, welfare, education reform and women's rights." I added links to all subjects, however I wasn't quite sure about temperance; it could refer to abstinence from alcohol, or a manner of living in general. None of the cited sources specifically identified this issue, however one did note that she got the legal age for sale of alcohol raised from 14 (!!) to 18. Temperance, as it relates to alcohol, seemed the most likely choice anyway, considering the context. But just thought I'd point out it wasn't entirely clear. Ghost writer's cat ( talk) 02:51, 2 June 2024 (UTC)