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Since Nahal HaYarden is generally translated as The Jordan River, and the same can be said for Nahal haYarkon, Nahal Kishon, etc, I think that regardless of the quantity of water flowing in Nahal Taninim, its name should still be translated as the Taninim River.-- Sreifa01 ( talk) 12:00, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
To editor Arminden: Richard Pococke mentioned crocodiles in the mid-18th century. Later, here is the account of Abbe Mariti, Travels (1792), vol 1, p394 :
Conder, Tent Work in Palestine (1879), vol 1, p201 :
Interesting that we have an extra name "Nahr el-Temasieh". I see an echo in Murray's Handbook of 1858:
I also see "Wadi Tamasih" in another place. The PEF Quarterly Report for 1893 has an eye-witness account of a crocodile caught and eaten. That's the most recent I could find. The report says there were eggs too, and that its hide was put on display in the PEF office in Jerusalem. I'm confident this is the same case placed in the early 20th century by the very weak source. Zero talk 04:37, 28 January 2017 (UTC)
I found that there is an article on crocodiles in the 1920 PEF Quarterly report. I'll have a copy in a few days. Zero talk 05:55, 28 January 2017 (UTC)
I looked quite hard for hippopotami and found nothing. I agree with you that it is exceedingly unlikely. Scientific papers on the subject, like this one don't suggest any hippos in the Levant since the early Iron Age. Zero talk 05:31, 28 January 2017 (UTC)
Hi, and thanks as always. Last night I was too tired to remember what I already knew. John "Rob Roy" MacGregor, the Scottish canoe maniac, seemed quite fixated on the topic and has intensely looked for crocodiles on the Kishon, Belus, Yarkon and even Jordan. See "The Rob Roy on the Jordan", London 1869:
More on p. 443-447 (Kishon; with ill.), 450 (Belus/Na'aman), 451 (Aujeh/Yarkon), 451-52 (Jordan).
I think to remember that the Schmidt School in (E) Jerusalem had a collection of stuffed animals from its hunting founders, including a crocodile, and that they were persuaded a few years ago to give it to a Tel Aviv museum to be taken care of.
Edward J. Thompson wrote an article [1] in 1920 and came up with a theory about how the crocs can swim from river mouth to river mouth through the sea, as seen off the Malay coast, and then populate the marshy estuaries of each river they come by (until humans destroy their habitat or hunt them down to the last). Why not. I heard of Romans bringing them for entertainment, so no lack of imaginative explanations.
About hippopotami, I only found a reference in a forum (!) sending to an academic paper which I couldn't find online, where apparently it was stated that they disappeared in the area during the Iron Age - same as what you wrote. Arminden ( talk) 18:10, 28 January 2017 (UTC)
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Since Nahal HaYarden is generally translated as The Jordan River, and the same can be said for Nahal haYarkon, Nahal Kishon, etc, I think that regardless of the quantity of water flowing in Nahal Taninim, its name should still be translated as the Taninim River.-- Sreifa01 ( talk) 12:00, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
To editor Arminden: Richard Pococke mentioned crocodiles in the mid-18th century. Later, here is the account of Abbe Mariti, Travels (1792), vol 1, p394 :
Conder, Tent Work in Palestine (1879), vol 1, p201 :
Interesting that we have an extra name "Nahr el-Temasieh". I see an echo in Murray's Handbook of 1858:
I also see "Wadi Tamasih" in another place. The PEF Quarterly Report for 1893 has an eye-witness account of a crocodile caught and eaten. That's the most recent I could find. The report says there were eggs too, and that its hide was put on display in the PEF office in Jerusalem. I'm confident this is the same case placed in the early 20th century by the very weak source. Zero talk 04:37, 28 January 2017 (UTC)
I found that there is an article on crocodiles in the 1920 PEF Quarterly report. I'll have a copy in a few days. Zero talk 05:55, 28 January 2017 (UTC)
I looked quite hard for hippopotami and found nothing. I agree with you that it is exceedingly unlikely. Scientific papers on the subject, like this one don't suggest any hippos in the Levant since the early Iron Age. Zero talk 05:31, 28 January 2017 (UTC)
Hi, and thanks as always. Last night I was too tired to remember what I already knew. John "Rob Roy" MacGregor, the Scottish canoe maniac, seemed quite fixated on the topic and has intensely looked for crocodiles on the Kishon, Belus, Yarkon and even Jordan. See "The Rob Roy on the Jordan", London 1869:
More on p. 443-447 (Kishon; with ill.), 450 (Belus/Na'aman), 451 (Aujeh/Yarkon), 451-52 (Jordan).
I think to remember that the Schmidt School in (E) Jerusalem had a collection of stuffed animals from its hunting founders, including a crocodile, and that they were persuaded a few years ago to give it to a Tel Aviv museum to be taken care of.
Edward J. Thompson wrote an article [1] in 1920 and came up with a theory about how the crocs can swim from river mouth to river mouth through the sea, as seen off the Malay coast, and then populate the marshy estuaries of each river they come by (until humans destroy their habitat or hunt them down to the last). Why not. I heard of Romans bringing them for entertainment, so no lack of imaginative explanations.
About hippopotami, I only found a reference in a forum (!) sending to an academic paper which I couldn't find online, where apparently it was stated that they disappeared in the area during the Iron Age - same as what you wrote. Arminden ( talk) 18:10, 28 January 2017 (UTC)