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How is the date the march is to be held determined - something like "second Thursday in November", or a random date chose by the organizers? - 121.208.89.240 ( talk) 07:17, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
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Moving this list here, in case others want to source these claims for a separate article on "notable performers" at the annual Pride festival. — HipLibrarianship talk 20:38, 18 May 2019 (UTC)
Heritage of Pride mentions 500 participants at an event—"Gay Power" demonstration and candlelight vigil—occurring "one month after" the riots; see this event page for example. Other sources seem to be recycling similar claims and language. I've included it in this article, but the July 1969 event could really benefit from better sourcing. — HipLibrarianship talk 04:31, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
@ Gleeanon409: has repeatedly reintroduced content regarding the size of Sao Paulo pride events relative to NYC pride. As I noted in a recent edit summary, there's an independent article dedicated to the size of Pride events in the world, which is the most appropriate venue for such detailed comparisons. Raising this matter here to garner additional comment. — HipLibrarianship talk 04:53, 11 July 2019 (UTC)
Other than the possible exception in 2019, NYC Pride has been the second-largest only to São Paulo, Brazil’s event, Parada do Orgulho GLBT de São Paulo; South America’s largest, and consistently the largest in the world; which is listed by Guinness World Records as the world’s largest Pride parade starting in 2006 with 2.5 million people. [1] They broke the Guinness record in 2009 with four million attendees. [2] They have kept the title from 2006 to at least 2016. [3] They had five million attend in 2017. [4] [5] As of June 2019 [update], it has three to five million each year. [6]
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Is the following content comparing the top two biggest Pride parades appropriate for the “Size” section? RfC relisted by Cunard ( talk) at 01:17, 11 August 2019 (UTC) because new options were added in the middle of the RfC. Gleeanon409 ( talk) 14:10, 11 July 2019 (UTC)
[ * “Option A” and “Option B” have been discarded as too long; “Option C”’s footnote was too long so has also been dismissed; please see “Option D” further down. ]
Other than the possible exception in 2019, NYC Pride has been the second-largest Pride parade only to São Paulo, Brazil’s event, Parada do Orgulho GLBT de São Paulo; South America’s largest, and consistently the largest in the world; which is listed by Guinness World Records as the world’s largest Pride parade starting in 2006 with 2.5 million people. [1] They broke the Guinness record in 2009 with four million attendees. [2] They have kept the title from 2006 to at least 2016. [3] They had five million attend in 2017. [4] [5] As of June 2019 [update], they have three to five million each year. [6]
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Other major Pride parades [than Sau Paulo] aren’t too far behind, with New York at roughly 2 million participants, and San Francisco at roughly 1.7 million., which at least strongly suggests that NYC is the second-biggest, but doesn't explicitly say so. Colin M ( talk) 21:48, 19 July 2019 (UTC)
it is one of the largest annual Pride marches in the world
Although estimating crowd size is an imprecise science, the NYC March is consistently considered North America’s biggest Pride parade
Here is a one-sentence version with a footnote for those who want the numbers:
Other than possibly WorldPride NYC in 2019, the world’s largest Pride parade is São Paulo, Brazil’s event, Parada do Orgulho GLBT de São Paulo since 2006 as documented by Guinness World Records. [1] [a]
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AlthoughNYC Pride is the largest LGBTQ event in North America; Parada do Orgulho GLBT de São Paulo in Brazil is the world’s largest since 2006, with the exception of 2019. [1] [a]
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NYC Pride is the largest LGBTQ event in North America; Parada do Orgulho GLBT de São Paulo in Brazil is the world’s largest since 2006, with the exception of 2019. [1] [a]
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I was going to offer this for further simplification:
NYC Pride is the largest LGBTQ event in North America; the pride march in Brazil is the world’s largest in most years. [with appropriate footnote(s)]
Upon further consideration, my opinion is that the comparison with Brazil should not be included anywhere in the main text, but could be mentioned in a footnote. The text in the 'Size' section as now written only discusses the NYC size and makes no attempt to compare it with others. The very first sentence of the article already links to the List of LGBT events. I agree with comments that the comparison is a distraction, irrelevant to this article and unnecessary, and frankly, seems only to be an effort to insert a promotion for the Brazil event. DonFB ( talk) 06:10, 4 September 2019 (UTC)
Since it’s the original Pride march it’s surprising that it’s the second largest to São Paulo.If we applied that standard to making comparisons, we might have examples like: "even though the Wright Brothers built the first airplane, theirs is not the biggest"...or..."Even though some scholars consider Damascus the oldest city in the world, it is not the largest...." and so on. I'm not sure precisely which term from formal logic covers these comparisons, but non sequitur seems to come close. One further response to your comment: the NY march needs no comparison to Sao Paulo or anywhere else to secure its Notability. DonFB ( talk) 05:31, 5 September 2019 (UTC)
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Moving this list here, in case others want to source these claims for a separate article on "notable performers" at the annual Pride festival. — HipLibrarianship talk 20:38, 18 May 2019 (UTC)
Heritage of Pride mentions 500 participants at an event—"Gay Power" demonstration and candlelight vigil—occurring "one month after" the riots; see this event page for example. Other sources seem to be recycling similar claims and language. I've included it in this article, but the July 1969 event could really benefit from better sourcing. — HipLibrarianship talk 04:31, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
@ Gleeanon409: has repeatedly reintroduced content regarding the size of Sao Paulo pride events relative to NYC pride. As I noted in a recent edit summary, there's an independent article dedicated to the size of Pride events in the world, which is the most appropriate venue for such detailed comparisons. Raising this matter here to garner additional comment. — HipLibrarianship talk 04:53, 11 July 2019 (UTC)
Other than the possible exception in 2019, NYC Pride has been the second-largest only to São Paulo, Brazil’s event, Parada do Orgulho GLBT de São Paulo; South America’s largest, and consistently the largest in the world; which is listed by Guinness World Records as the world’s largest Pride parade starting in 2006 with 2.5 million people. [1] They broke the Guinness record in 2009 with four million attendees. [2] They have kept the title from 2006 to at least 2016. [3] They had five million attend in 2017. [4] [5] As of June 2019 [update], it has three to five million each year. [6]
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Is the following content comparing the top two biggest Pride parades appropriate for the “Size” section? RfC relisted by Cunard ( talk) at 01:17, 11 August 2019 (UTC) because new options were added in the middle of the RfC. Gleeanon409 ( talk) 14:10, 11 July 2019 (UTC)
[ * “Option A” and “Option B” have been discarded as too long; “Option C”’s footnote was too long so has also been dismissed; please see “Option D” further down. ]
Other than the possible exception in 2019, NYC Pride has been the second-largest Pride parade only to São Paulo, Brazil’s event, Parada do Orgulho GLBT de São Paulo; South America’s largest, and consistently the largest in the world; which is listed by Guinness World Records as the world’s largest Pride parade starting in 2006 with 2.5 million people. [1] They broke the Guinness record in 2009 with four million attendees. [2] They have kept the title from 2006 to at least 2016. [3] They had five million attend in 2017. [4] [5] As of June 2019 [update], they have three to five million each year. [6]
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Other major Pride parades [than Sau Paulo] aren’t too far behind, with New York at roughly 2 million participants, and San Francisco at roughly 1.7 million., which at least strongly suggests that NYC is the second-biggest, but doesn't explicitly say so. Colin M ( talk) 21:48, 19 July 2019 (UTC)
it is one of the largest annual Pride marches in the world
Although estimating crowd size is an imprecise science, the NYC March is consistently considered North America’s biggest Pride parade
Here is a one-sentence version with a footnote for those who want the numbers:
Other than possibly WorldPride NYC in 2019, the world’s largest Pride parade is São Paulo, Brazil’s event, Parada do Orgulho GLBT de São Paulo since 2006 as documented by Guinness World Records. [1] [a]
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NYC Pride is the largest LGBTQ event in North America; Parada do Orgulho GLBT de São Paulo in Brazil is the world’s largest since 2006, with the exception of 2019. [1] [a]
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I was going to offer this for further simplification:
NYC Pride is the largest LGBTQ event in North America; the pride march in Brazil is the world’s largest in most years. [with appropriate footnote(s)]
Upon further consideration, my opinion is that the comparison with Brazil should not be included anywhere in the main text, but could be mentioned in a footnote. The text in the 'Size' section as now written only discusses the NYC size and makes no attempt to compare it with others. The very first sentence of the article already links to the List of LGBT events. I agree with comments that the comparison is a distraction, irrelevant to this article and unnecessary, and frankly, seems only to be an effort to insert a promotion for the Brazil event. DonFB ( talk) 06:10, 4 September 2019 (UTC)
Since it’s the original Pride march it’s surprising that it’s the second largest to São Paulo.If we applied that standard to making comparisons, we might have examples like: "even though the Wright Brothers built the first airplane, theirs is not the biggest"...or..."Even though some scholars consider Damascus the oldest city in the world, it is not the largest...." and so on. I'm not sure precisely which term from formal logic covers these comparisons, but non sequitur seems to come close. One further response to your comment: the NY march needs no comparison to Sao Paulo or anywhere else to secure its Notability. DonFB ( talk) 05:31, 5 September 2019 (UTC)