Maybe it would be appropriate to provide a list of popular or succesful products developed by the company, if you will something to differentiat the article which as exists now could be summed up as: NCSoft is a software company, started in South Korea that has offices in England and the US. My two cents.-- 68.226.22.197 22:36, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
Something should be added to this article about a lawsuit filed against NCsoft by the creators of Worlds.com about an MMOG patent. Link Below http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2337763,00.asp
I've added and upkept a section about the case. Frohike14 ( talk) 13:06, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
Are we sure that aion uses crytek engine? citation should be needed. Pascalbrax 10:50, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
Does anyone know anything about ncsoft in Brighton, U.K. ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.9.113.225 ( talk) 01:32, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
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It was nonsensical and really didn't add anything to the article. Random2001 ( talk) 19:08, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
As seen from the large section of text just deleted members of the following forum: http://boards.exteel.com/showthread.php?t=51980 (scroll down for evidence). Have continually added false information to this article, just FYI.
Is this a joke that went unnoticed? It's in the opening paragraph. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.120.132.74 ( talk) 01:35, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
There is an edit that says an active smear campaign is going on from this site: http://www.cohtitan.com/forum/index.php/topic,6034.40.html There is certainly no smear campaign. Read some of the quotes:
Best case scenario, overtly emotionally charged edits will be reverted. Worst case scenario, the page will be locked so that only administrators will be able to modify it. Neither of those achieves anything but reduce our credibility and paint us in bad light. We are better than that.
We don't need to be agressive or biased to hurt NCsoft. Information can be a weapon on its' own - all we have to do is objectively present the known facts."
68.35.181.7 ( talk) 19:27, 2 November 2012 (UTC)
And then you have quotes like these. The quotes below make it look like there is a smear campaign going on. Remember that a smear campaign may be the truth but the intent is to damage the reputation usually for retaliation againgt a percieved wrong. Smear campaign that is full of lies is usually classified as libel/slander of the likes. There more statements on that site like the ones below. If there is no smear campaign ran by or endorsed by cohtitan.com, it seems that they dont mind their site being used as a launch pad for a campaign where the point is to hurt NCSoft's reputation as much as possible, which seems to be textbook smear campaign. There is word that some of those statements are made by the celebrity Mercedes Lackey aka Victoria Victrix or someone claiming to be her as one of these statements by Victoria is quoted "Attack NCSoft at every possible angle." reply number 223,
http://www.cohtitan.com/forum/index.php/topic,5250.msg73664.html#msg73664.
-Hmm. We should probably try to get in touch with ex-Paragon Studios folks then. If anyone would have that kind of ammo against NC, it'd likely be them. After all, unless someone knows something I don't, we've already discussed their behavior towards their customers, and apparently their habit of revaluing the worth of their IPs to justify their stock prices isn't enough.
-Last Friday, I initiated contact via several email boxes at NCSoft; an "operation carpet bombing", if you will. I was hoping at least one would get through, or that I would annoy NCSoft enough that a real person would contact me asking me to stop;
-All we have to do, is use solid facts to paint NCsoft as a reactionary, xenophobic company with little to no connection to its Western audience We need to concentrate on bringing the pain to NCSoft until it becomes too painful for them to keep cybersquatting on our game.
-Attack NCSoft at every possible angle.
-I've filed BBB grievances before. It's easy and can be done online. I do believe that canceling our product out from under us with no warning at all would constitute grounds for a grievance
A reply-A possible call to action? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2605:6000:BFC0:0:2C57:5DE7:24FE:7F26 ( talk) 00:29, 7 November 2012 (UTC)
Some of your "examples" are quite ridiculous, especially seeing that you present them entirely out of context. Discussion of possible actions do not constitute a smear campaign until such actions are actually taken. A player's attempt to contact the company does not harm the company's reputation in any way. A player filing a legitimate complaint with Better Business Bureau likewise is not part of a smear campaign.
Are you, perchance, working for NCSoft or on their behalf in any fashion? If so, be aware your edits to the page would constitute conflict of interest and incur damage to the company's reputation worse and more direct than your alleged "smear campaign" can hope to achieve on its own. -- The Fifth Horseman ( talk) 13:28, 8 November 2012 (UTC)
Nope, not affiliated with NCSoft in any way. I'm not sure the one statement especially of "Attack NCSoft at every possible angle." is not a statement that seem to aim for a smear campaign. If you disagree that is fine but that doesnt mean everyone that disagree or edits the post is a NCSOft employee. I'm just trying to keep the article as non-biased as possible. I understand cohtitan wants publicity of their cause but I do not think wikipedia is the appropriate place to further that cause at the expense of non-bias statements and facts. For example, can you prove or has sources that proves there were other reason for the decision to close besides the one that have been released by NCSoft, which also comes from a source cited? I'm not sure if the forum is considered a good source or not either but cohtitan definately a biased source for this topic. — Preceding
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It's not that you disagree, it's your behavior matching a specific pattern. As for bias, you nicely keep reintroducing the buzzword collection regurgitated by someone's PR department - not pointing any fingers, but it's rather obvious.
"Realignment of company focus and publishing support" is certainly an impressively-sounding set of buzz words (see WP:MODLANG and WP:UPE#Buzzwords) amounting to - at most - "we decided to stop supporting the the game and/or existence of Paragon Studios". Thing is, that statement only describes the decision they made - without giving any actual reasons for it. -- The Fifth Horseman ( talk) 00:39, 9 November 2012 (UTC)
I believe the reason as stated by the source cited gives the reason for closure of the game is because of the realignment of the company focus and publishing support. Closing down the game is the action. The realignment and etc. is the reason given, according to the source. If that source is not credible then that statement should be completely removed, with the rest of the stuff cited from that site. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2605:6000:BFC0:0:2C57:5DE7:24FE:7F26 ( talk) 01:05, 9 November 2012 (UTC)
Okay, fine. So both of us have issues with the other's perceived neutrality - or lack of it. I believe that inserting NCsoft's statement in the way you did it constitutes a violation of WP:ASF and WP:NPOV (see WP:NPOV_tutorial), you think that's the only right solution. Our points of view are mutually incompatibile, and at least one other anonymous IP just reinserted the same pile of buzzwords again. Instead of doing the dumb thing and engaging in an edit war or flat out attacking you, I'm filing WP:RFP and WP:NPOV/N for this article. -- The Fifth Horseman ( talk) 02:05, 9 November 2012 (UTC)
Ok. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2605:6000:BFC0:0:2C57:5DE7:24FE:7F26 ( talk) 02:33, 9 November 2012 (UTC)
It might be a good idea for both editors who are sparring over this article to reconsider WP:OWN and step away from this entry for a while. There's certainly plenty of other work to be done on the encyclopedia. If this escalates, I imagine there'll be a few admins stepping in to administer blocks. Qworty ( talk) 02:35, 9 November 2012 (UTC)
Here are some appropriate sources with working links:
At a very quick glance, it looks like a routine announcement. Not sure if it belongs under controversy, unless the petition and other issues can be found in better sources. Corporate 12:53, 9 November 2012 (UTC)
This looks like another possible source on the player reaction: http://www.starburstmagazine.com/gaming-news/3867-gaming-news-city-of-heroes-update -- The Fifth Horseman ( talk) 13:56, 9 November 2012 (UTC) The SaveCoH campaign has been keeping tally of the media coverage they received: [6] -- The Fifth Horseman ( talk) 09:37, 11 November 2012 (UTC) More published reactions to the closure: http://koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/biz/2012/12/602_126197.html -- The Fifth Horseman ( talk) 22:31, 4 December 2012 (UTC) And another: http://www.nowgamer.com/features/1713297/city_of_heroes_the_final_hours.html The Fifth Horseman ( talk) 01:31, 8 December 2012 (UTC) Possible reference regarding celebrity reactions to the closure / SaveCOH campaign: http://www.dealspwn.com/neil-gaiman-john-wright-john-kovalic-mercedes-lackey-support-save-city-heroes-campaign-113562 The Fifth Horseman ( talk) 18:20, 8 December 2012 (UTC)
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The result of the move request was: moved. No opposition to this. ( non-admin closure) JudgeRM (talk to me) 16:45, 15 January 2017 (UTC)
NCSOFT → NCsoft – According to MOS:CAMELCASE, title of this article should not be all caps. NCsoft is the next popular capitalization found on the Internet. Voidvector ( talk) 07:43, 1 January 2017 (UTC) --Relisting. Andrewa ( talk) 11:56, 8 January 2017 (UTC)
I saw on the Master X Master page that the servers are closing down today. Someone should update this article to move MXM to "Cancelled" since the game is no longer active. 72.197.9.171 ( talk) 08:42, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: MOVED to NCSoft; no consensus to move to NCSOFT Galobtter ( pingó mió) 11:34, 30 September 2018 (UTC) Galobtter ( pingó mió) 11:34, 30 September 2018 (UTC)
NCsoft → NCSOFT – Reversal of previous RM. The referenced guideline was MOS:CAMELCASE but I do not think that was the most applicable guideline since "ncsoft" does not consist of complete words, but rather an initialism ("NC") followed by an abbreviation ("soft", presumably for software). Therefore there is no "standard English" representation of this mark. Instead, I believe the guideline that should apply is MOS:ACRO, which covers initialisms and abbreviations. It is also preferable IMO to avoid the ambiguity of what the "proper" camelcase would be (e.g. "NCsoft" or "NCSoft"), as in either case Wikipedia is basically inventing the convention.
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Maybe it would be appropriate to provide a list of popular or succesful products developed by the company, if you will something to differentiat the article which as exists now could be summed up as: NCSoft is a software company, started in South Korea that has offices in England and the US. My two cents.-- 68.226.22.197 22:36, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
Something should be added to this article about a lawsuit filed against NCsoft by the creators of Worlds.com about an MMOG patent. Link Below http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2337763,00.asp
I've added and upkept a section about the case. Frohike14 ( talk) 13:06, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
Are we sure that aion uses crytek engine? citation should be needed. Pascalbrax 10:50, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
Does anyone know anything about ncsoft in Brighton, U.K. ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.9.113.225 ( talk) 01:32, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
Does anyone know anything about his life?
I clicked the wrong button and therefore could not leave an edit summary to explain that the removal of controversies simply because they are controversial, but when they are properly sourced, is not sufficient cause for removal. In the future, consider discussing on the talk page before making such edits. 19:52, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
It was nonsensical and really didn't add anything to the article. Random2001 ( talk) 19:08, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
As seen from the large section of text just deleted members of the following forum: http://boards.exteel.com/showthread.php?t=51980 (scroll down for evidence). Have continually added false information to this article, just FYI.
Is this a joke that went unnoticed? It's in the opening paragraph. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.120.132.74 ( talk) 01:35, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
There is an edit that says an active smear campaign is going on from this site: http://www.cohtitan.com/forum/index.php/topic,6034.40.html There is certainly no smear campaign. Read some of the quotes:
Best case scenario, overtly emotionally charged edits will be reverted. Worst case scenario, the page will be locked so that only administrators will be able to modify it. Neither of those achieves anything but reduce our credibility and paint us in bad light. We are better than that.
We don't need to be agressive or biased to hurt NCsoft. Information can be a weapon on its' own - all we have to do is objectively present the known facts."
68.35.181.7 ( talk) 19:27, 2 November 2012 (UTC)
And then you have quotes like these. The quotes below make it look like there is a smear campaign going on. Remember that a smear campaign may be the truth but the intent is to damage the reputation usually for retaliation againgt a percieved wrong. Smear campaign that is full of lies is usually classified as libel/slander of the likes. There more statements on that site like the ones below. If there is no smear campaign ran by or endorsed by cohtitan.com, it seems that they dont mind their site being used as a launch pad for a campaign where the point is to hurt NCSoft's reputation as much as possible, which seems to be textbook smear campaign. There is word that some of those statements are made by the celebrity Mercedes Lackey aka Victoria Victrix or someone claiming to be her as one of these statements by Victoria is quoted "Attack NCSoft at every possible angle." reply number 223,
http://www.cohtitan.com/forum/index.php/topic,5250.msg73664.html#msg73664.
-Hmm. We should probably try to get in touch with ex-Paragon Studios folks then. If anyone would have that kind of ammo against NC, it'd likely be them. After all, unless someone knows something I don't, we've already discussed their behavior towards their customers, and apparently their habit of revaluing the worth of their IPs to justify their stock prices isn't enough.
-Last Friday, I initiated contact via several email boxes at NCSoft; an "operation carpet bombing", if you will. I was hoping at least one would get through, or that I would annoy NCSoft enough that a real person would contact me asking me to stop;
-All we have to do, is use solid facts to paint NCsoft as a reactionary, xenophobic company with little to no connection to its Western audience We need to concentrate on bringing the pain to NCSoft until it becomes too painful for them to keep cybersquatting on our game.
-Attack NCSoft at every possible angle.
-I've filed BBB grievances before. It's easy and can be done online. I do believe that canceling our product out from under us with no warning at all would constitute grounds for a grievance
A reply-A possible call to action? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2605:6000:BFC0:0:2C57:5DE7:24FE:7F26 ( talk) 00:29, 7 November 2012 (UTC)
Some of your "examples" are quite ridiculous, especially seeing that you present them entirely out of context. Discussion of possible actions do not constitute a smear campaign until such actions are actually taken. A player's attempt to contact the company does not harm the company's reputation in any way. A player filing a legitimate complaint with Better Business Bureau likewise is not part of a smear campaign.
Are you, perchance, working for NCSoft or on their behalf in any fashion? If so, be aware your edits to the page would constitute conflict of interest and incur damage to the company's reputation worse and more direct than your alleged "smear campaign" can hope to achieve on its own. -- The Fifth Horseman ( talk) 13:28, 8 November 2012 (UTC)
Nope, not affiliated with NCSoft in any way. I'm not sure the one statement especially of "Attack NCSoft at every possible angle." is not a statement that seem to aim for a smear campaign. If you disagree that is fine but that doesnt mean everyone that disagree or edits the post is a NCSOft employee. I'm just trying to keep the article as non-biased as possible. I understand cohtitan wants publicity of their cause but I do not think wikipedia is the appropriate place to further that cause at the expense of non-bias statements and facts. For example, can you prove or has sources that proves there were other reason for the decision to close besides the one that have been released by NCSoft, which also comes from a source cited? I'm not sure if the forum is considered a good source or not either but cohtitan definately a biased source for this topic. — Preceding
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It's not that you disagree, it's your behavior matching a specific pattern. As for bias, you nicely keep reintroducing the buzzword collection regurgitated by someone's PR department - not pointing any fingers, but it's rather obvious.
"Realignment of company focus and publishing support" is certainly an impressively-sounding set of buzz words (see WP:MODLANG and WP:UPE#Buzzwords) amounting to - at most - "we decided to stop supporting the the game and/or existence of Paragon Studios". Thing is, that statement only describes the decision they made - without giving any actual reasons for it. -- The Fifth Horseman ( talk) 00:39, 9 November 2012 (UTC)
I believe the reason as stated by the source cited gives the reason for closure of the game is because of the realignment of the company focus and publishing support. Closing down the game is the action. The realignment and etc. is the reason given, according to the source. If that source is not credible then that statement should be completely removed, with the rest of the stuff cited from that site. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2605:6000:BFC0:0:2C57:5DE7:24FE:7F26 ( talk) 01:05, 9 November 2012 (UTC)
Okay, fine. So both of us have issues with the other's perceived neutrality - or lack of it. I believe that inserting NCsoft's statement in the way you did it constitutes a violation of WP:ASF and WP:NPOV (see WP:NPOV_tutorial), you think that's the only right solution. Our points of view are mutually incompatibile, and at least one other anonymous IP just reinserted the same pile of buzzwords again. Instead of doing the dumb thing and engaging in an edit war or flat out attacking you, I'm filing WP:RFP and WP:NPOV/N for this article. -- The Fifth Horseman ( talk) 02:05, 9 November 2012 (UTC)
Ok. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2605:6000:BFC0:0:2C57:5DE7:24FE:7F26 ( talk) 02:33, 9 November 2012 (UTC)
It might be a good idea for both editors who are sparring over this article to reconsider WP:OWN and step away from this entry for a while. There's certainly plenty of other work to be done on the encyclopedia. If this escalates, I imagine there'll be a few admins stepping in to administer blocks. Qworty ( talk) 02:35, 9 November 2012 (UTC)
Here are some appropriate sources with working links:
At a very quick glance, it looks like a routine announcement. Not sure if it belongs under controversy, unless the petition and other issues can be found in better sources. Corporate 12:53, 9 November 2012 (UTC)
This looks like another possible source on the player reaction: http://www.starburstmagazine.com/gaming-news/3867-gaming-news-city-of-heroes-update -- The Fifth Horseman ( talk) 13:56, 9 November 2012 (UTC) The SaveCoH campaign has been keeping tally of the media coverage they received: [6] -- The Fifth Horseman ( talk) 09:37, 11 November 2012 (UTC) More published reactions to the closure: http://koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/biz/2012/12/602_126197.html -- The Fifth Horseman ( talk) 22:31, 4 December 2012 (UTC) And another: http://www.nowgamer.com/features/1713297/city_of_heroes_the_final_hours.html The Fifth Horseman ( talk) 01:31, 8 December 2012 (UTC) Possible reference regarding celebrity reactions to the closure / SaveCOH campaign: http://www.dealspwn.com/neil-gaiman-john-wright-john-kovalic-mercedes-lackey-support-save-city-heroes-campaign-113562 The Fifth Horseman ( talk) 18:20, 8 December 2012 (UTC)
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The result of the move request was: moved. No opposition to this. ( non-admin closure) JudgeRM (talk to me) 16:45, 15 January 2017 (UTC)
NCSOFT → NCsoft – According to MOS:CAMELCASE, title of this article should not be all caps. NCsoft is the next popular capitalization found on the Internet. Voidvector ( talk) 07:43, 1 January 2017 (UTC) --Relisting. Andrewa ( talk) 11:56, 8 January 2017 (UTC)
I saw on the Master X Master page that the servers are closing down today. Someone should update this article to move MXM to "Cancelled" since the game is no longer active. 72.197.9.171 ( talk) 08:42, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: MOVED to NCSoft; no consensus to move to NCSOFT Galobtter ( pingó mió) 11:34, 30 September 2018 (UTC) Galobtter ( pingó mió) 11:34, 30 September 2018 (UTC)
NCsoft → NCSOFT – Reversal of previous RM. The referenced guideline was MOS:CAMELCASE but I do not think that was the most applicable guideline since "ncsoft" does not consist of complete words, but rather an initialism ("NC") followed by an abbreviation ("soft", presumably for software). Therefore there is no "standard English" representation of this mark. Instead, I believe the guideline that should apply is MOS:ACRO, which covers initialisms and abbreviations. It is also preferable IMO to avoid the ambiguity of what the "proper" camelcase would be (e.g. "NCsoft" or "NCSoft"), as in either case Wikipedia is basically inventing the convention.
As an aside, it was not specified how the original requester determined that one was more popular than the other, but for example these recent articles [7] [8] use "NCSoft". The very definition of camel case would also imply that "Soft" should begin with a capital as it is the start of a word unit. If "NCSOFT" is still considered improper, then also consider "NCSoft" as a preferable alternative. Ham Pastrami ( talk) 22:37, 11 September 2018 (UTC)--Relisting. – Ammarpad ( talk) 14:25, 19 September 2018 (UTC)