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The article (and its BBC reference) use "theyworkforus.com". Is this the same as TheyWorkForYou, and therefore a mistake in the original source? MIDI ( talk) 12:59, 11 April 2022 (UTC)
There were two mentions (one of them somewhat vague) of Syrian airstrikes, but not specifically equated with motive. They sound more like prosecutor's discovery as opposed to confession from the perpetrator himself. Another motive was Amess's membership with the CFI. I've noted both in the background section. CurryCity ( talk) 08:56, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
On 26 September 2014 Parliament voted 524 to 43 to approve action inside Iraq.". Martinevans123 ( talk) 10:41, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Murder_of_David_Amess&diff=prev&oldid=1189927451
The article section paragraph “a man armed with a knife emerged from a group of constituents” appears to reflect the original unfolding media accounts of the day of the murder as memory serves. I paid attention to the trial and have tried to link to witness accounts as well rewriting to describe the attack as it happened and as well how Ali reacted to during the course of events. I felt it was too much to write about the fact he was calling his sister on the phone when he was arrested (as shown in the body cam footage), though someone else can write it. I also changed "legal proceedings" to "trial", swapped "reactions" around and described Ali's horrific behaviour during the attack and after the verdict, as well as Amess' family statement that they felt no elation at the verdict. I do think the Guardian articles could be worth staying and the description of the events that happened could be kept/rewritten to reflect the articles' description of events, though I do think my bad grammar could be fixed. If anyone think it's unneeded/lengthened too much, I can completely understand that, though I think a Consensus should be reached. As this incident affected my family/town in my own way, I can be grateful for anyone else to discuss the version I wrote and see if it’s worth anything considering.
I have linked the various realible sources I can find, that describe the quoted words and talk between Amess and Ali, so if it could be rewritten to reflect these accounts, I suppose it’s a matter of combing through the sources and verifying it. I just didn't want to stir up any more pain and trouble for the Amess family.
[1] [2] [3] [4] [5] 92.17.199.182 ( talk) 13:09, 15 December 2023 (UTC)
If anyone thinks that the above revision could be used for any revisions in the future, albeit with better written paragraphs or if they are worth expanding, please feel free to do so, I had long added "further explanation needed" in the last paragraph of the "attack" section; as I am a resident of Southend, I feel that this is better suited to users here, especially as I sadly never knew Amess' name before he died (I guess politics is not my thing and I have autism); regardless of what he was like or what controversies he may have had in life, what happened to him is a terribly sad story. I feel for how much he must have suffered, and certainly for his wife and children. It also helps people to remember there are real families involved, that the man was a people’s relative, their blood, and not just names for amateur sleuths to fuss over. As I mentioned before, I have linked the various reliable sources I can find, that describe the quoted words and talk between Amess and Ali, so if it could be rewritten to reflect these accounts, I suppose it’s a matter of combing through the sources and verifying it. I just didn't want to stir up any more pain and trouble for the Amess family." 92.17.198.220 ( talk) 15:23, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
I feel it is best for anyone to decide as to whether the article should be expanded upon or left as it is; as I mentioned before, the Amess tragedy affected me in my own way. From images of the man, he looked so friendly (especially from some stories I have heard). Suddenly, after doing my latest edits, I feel miserable, desperately unhappy, as if I had committed an injustice. I truly wish it was October 14, 2021 again and not that awful tomorrow. 92.17.198.220 ( talk) 20:00, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
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@ Ianmacm: I added that information because this murder was listed as one of the two attacks that caused the increase, along with the hospital bombing. Why do you think that it is not relevant? QuicoleJR ( talk) 14:22, 6 March 2024 (UTC)
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The article (and its BBC reference) use "theyworkforus.com". Is this the same as TheyWorkForYou, and therefore a mistake in the original source? MIDI ( talk) 12:59, 11 April 2022 (UTC)
There were two mentions (one of them somewhat vague) of Syrian airstrikes, but not specifically equated with motive. They sound more like prosecutor's discovery as opposed to confession from the perpetrator himself. Another motive was Amess's membership with the CFI. I've noted both in the background section. CurryCity ( talk) 08:56, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
On 26 September 2014 Parliament voted 524 to 43 to approve action inside Iraq.". Martinevans123 ( talk) 10:41, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Murder_of_David_Amess&diff=prev&oldid=1189927451
The article section paragraph “a man armed with a knife emerged from a group of constituents” appears to reflect the original unfolding media accounts of the day of the murder as memory serves. I paid attention to the trial and have tried to link to witness accounts as well rewriting to describe the attack as it happened and as well how Ali reacted to during the course of events. I felt it was too much to write about the fact he was calling his sister on the phone when he was arrested (as shown in the body cam footage), though someone else can write it. I also changed "legal proceedings" to "trial", swapped "reactions" around and described Ali's horrific behaviour during the attack and after the verdict, as well as Amess' family statement that they felt no elation at the verdict. I do think the Guardian articles could be worth staying and the description of the events that happened could be kept/rewritten to reflect the articles' description of events, though I do think my bad grammar could be fixed. If anyone think it's unneeded/lengthened too much, I can completely understand that, though I think a Consensus should be reached. As this incident affected my family/town in my own way, I can be grateful for anyone else to discuss the version I wrote and see if it’s worth anything considering.
I have linked the various realible sources I can find, that describe the quoted words and talk between Amess and Ali, so if it could be rewritten to reflect these accounts, I suppose it’s a matter of combing through the sources and verifying it. I just didn't want to stir up any more pain and trouble for the Amess family.
[1] [2] [3] [4] [5] 92.17.199.182 ( talk) 13:09, 15 December 2023 (UTC)
If anyone thinks that the above revision could be used for any revisions in the future, albeit with better written paragraphs or if they are worth expanding, please feel free to do so, I had long added "further explanation needed" in the last paragraph of the "attack" section; as I am a resident of Southend, I feel that this is better suited to users here, especially as I sadly never knew Amess' name before he died (I guess politics is not my thing and I have autism); regardless of what he was like or what controversies he may have had in life, what happened to him is a terribly sad story. I feel for how much he must have suffered, and certainly for his wife and children. It also helps people to remember there are real families involved, that the man was a people’s relative, their blood, and not just names for amateur sleuths to fuss over. As I mentioned before, I have linked the various reliable sources I can find, that describe the quoted words and talk between Amess and Ali, so if it could be rewritten to reflect these accounts, I suppose it’s a matter of combing through the sources and verifying it. I just didn't want to stir up any more pain and trouble for the Amess family." 92.17.198.220 ( talk) 15:23, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
I feel it is best for anyone to decide as to whether the article should be expanded upon or left as it is; as I mentioned before, the Amess tragedy affected me in my own way. From images of the man, he looked so friendly (especially from some stories I have heard). Suddenly, after doing my latest edits, I feel miserable, desperately unhappy, as if I had committed an injustice. I truly wish it was October 14, 2021 again and not that awful tomorrow. 92.17.198.220 ( talk) 20:00, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
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@ Ianmacm: I added that information because this murder was listed as one of the two attacks that caused the increase, along with the hospital bombing. Why do you think that it is not relevant? QuicoleJR ( talk) 14:22, 6 March 2024 (UTC)