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a well-informed section on their messianic "judaism" department would be helpful & enlightening. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:540:2:6F24:3945:F70B:BF15:A308 ( talk) 06:12, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
I removed the reference to Moody's non-participation in Title IV, as they began participating for the Fall 2010 semester. I will try to insert some more detailed information once I can find citable sources. Laughingfuzzball ( talk) 09:58, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
"As part of the process of providing a Bible-centered education that enables students to know Christ and serve Him through His church in vocational ministry..."
Quotes like this are heavy on the Christian POV. This article should be cleaned up to read more like an encyclopedia article and not a Moody Bible Institute viewbook. Scrutchfield 21:21, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
This article is heavily centered around the Chicago campus, with little recognition given to the Spokane branch campus or the regional campuses in Ohio and Florida. We should incorporate a new section into the article dealing specifically with the different campuses.-- Son of thunder ( talk) 17:02, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
There have been changes to the Moody Bible Institute - Spokane campus and the available programs there. I would edit, but I 1) am a current student and am afraid of entering bias. 2) I am under the Moody IP address and would raise a flag of course (I do have a Wiki account, though have forgotten my password and waiting to change it (Nick)) Also, the Spokane campus is no longer considered a part of the Distance Learning division. Sources: http://www.moody.edu/edu_mainpage.aspx?id=1120 66.185.252.253 ( talk) 04:10, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
Agreed. As a former student I do beleive that it would be wise to move the broadcasting side into the Institute article. I also agree with Scrutchfield, it reads too much like a possible admissions brochure than a encyclopedia article. adamfish
I vote do not merge. I really think this subject is large enough to warrent its own article. Perhaps this "Broadcasting" section should mention the other radio aspects of MBI, such as Moody Campus Radio. -- Ktdreyer 16:30, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
I also come down on the side of do not merge. The broadcasting "mission" (as in "mission statement", not "Missionaries") is significantly different that the mission of the educational branch. Though they share common parentage, these differences in purpose and function are great enough to justify different articles. Akradecki 16:59, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
It seems to me that separating both Moody Broadcasting Network and Moody Press from the Moody Bible Institute article all together would be the most logical thing to do. Though they are all part of one and the same thing they are also separate entities. It seems illogical to have a radio network and publishing company listed on an Institutions article other than simply saying they are subsidiaries. By having separate articles there is much more context relevancy. People are also more likely to find them as they can each be listed in the corresponding categories. That way then MBI can be listed as a school as it is in its categories. -- MJHankel 11:41, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
I've added several infoboxes to the page. Are multiple infoboxes appropriate? If not, how should the page be broken down? The merge discussion seems to be heading towards creating different articles for each division. If this is done, which page should contain the general company infobox? What should the "Education" article be titled, since the education division does not have its own name like Moody Broadcasting Network or Moody Publishers? I don't think the page looks good with the multiple infoboxes, but I had difficulty deciding which one best fit the article.-- Son of thunder 03:41, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
The merge proposal has caused people to develop both articles quite extensively. The MBI article has been expanded to cover the education side of things in much more detail, and the MBN article has grown from a single paragraph or two covering the history of the WMBI station to a solid treatment of the entire network. In light of this extensive expansion and definition of the two articles, I no longer think a merge would be appropriate. The MBI article would become much too cumbersome, were we to merge the MBN article into it at this point. I think we should leave the two articles as-is, and provide "See Also" links to other. Now we just need someone to develop a more extensive treatment of Moody Publishers. I'll leave the merge proposal up in case anyone else has anything else to say. If we get no objections, I think it's safe to remove it by the end of the week.-- Son of thunder 15:46, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
The main article needs a link to a complete list of publications offered by the earlier Colportage Library.
The official Moody Publications website appears to lack organized access to the earlier publications of the Colportage Library. For instance, I happened across Colportage Library #292, "Angels and Demons" and discovered it was not only out of print, but the official Moody Publications website does not even list the author, Mrs. George C. Needham, as one in its circle of authors, implying that the book has fallen out of favor somehow. For one thing, CL #292 "Angels and Demons" lacks a copyright notice, but that doesn't necessarily mean that some or all of that work is in the public domain. I was curious if there is a pattern of some kind as to which works of the Colportage Library are indeed out of print, or worse, fallen into censure. 198.177.27.23 22:29, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
There is much more that needs to be done to this page. Addationally, I would like to see current and former students getting involved with the information. MBI has changed much from what this whole article describes and needs to be updated. Such an example would be the new branch campus in Spokane, Washington. This is home to their Aviation Ministry, which uses the local community college for training. Also, with the school attracting more students, some have been accepted into what is called the 1 + 3 program. I would like to see this at the standards of many state colleges and university pages. Nick ( talk) 03:09, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
The schools announced that the Michigan Theological Seminary will be merged as an insitution into Moody's graduate school by the end of the year. It seems that the Michigan Theological Seminary article should be merged into the graduate section of Moody's article with a redirect from the Michigan Theological Seminary to this section in Moody's article if not now, when it is complete. Novaseminary ( talk) 16:22, 17 November 2009 (UTC)
Is there any particular theology they endorse? If so shouldn't it be included in the article? Zantorzi ( talk) 04:01, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
== Zantorzi, that is a great question, and it is a critical element in understanding Moody.
I am a Bible/Theology graduate of MBI. I can confirm that the school has very strong theological commitments to Pre-tribulational, Pre-millenial Dispensationalism. These ideas are not often communicated, nor are they openly debated at the school. Faculty who changed their opinions on these matters have been dismissed from the Institute, and graduates are required to sign a statement confirming their adherence to this theological position, before receiving their diploma / degree.
Links to these would be very helpful to anyone trying to better understand this school.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dispensationalism
-- Delenardo ( talk) 06:13, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
== As a recent graduate, I too can confirm that Moody's faculty is fairly committed to pre-tribulational, pre-millennial eschatology as well as dispensationalism. However, I am not so sure about signing anything that says you're a pre-tribulational, pre-millennial dispensationalist (perhaps things have changed). All that I ever had to sign was the doctrinal statement for admission, which contained the following:
the inspiration, authority, and inerrancy of Scripture the Trinity the full deity and full humanity of Christ the creation of the human race in the image of God the spiritual lostness of the human race the substitutionary atonement and bodily resurrection of Christ salvation by grace through faith alone in Christ alone the physical and imminent return of Christ the eternal reward of the righteous and the eternal judgment of the lost
See Moody's website: http://www.moody.edu/edu_MainPage.aspx?id=3470
The main part that would affect one's view on the said doctrinal questions would be the "imminent return of Christ." But I believe I am not mistaken in saying that one does not have to be a pre-tribulational, pre-millennial dispensationalist to hold to the imminent return of Christ (e.g., the Protestant Reformers, who were amillennial).
Doctrinal position is a sticky issue. While the statement of faith is all that's necesary to participate as a student, the Institute does take a more specific stance on certain issues and generally the faculty is expected to at the very least not be openly hostile toward these positions, though nothing is required of the students in this regard. There's also certain tendencies- while the Institute doesn't technically take a position, it is the dominant position held by the students and faculty. Things get really hairy when you get to the theology department, which has its own set of unofficial positions, mostly based on what's current at Dallas Theological Seminary, where most of the faculty has come out of. In short, Moody isn't immune to the politics of Academia. Since this is mostly personal experience and vague trends, it isn't citable, but the statement of faith is, as is the doctrinal statement ( http://www.moody.edu/uploadedFiles/Education/Library/undergraduate_catalog.pdf, pp 20-23), which outlines the institutes official positions but is not binding on students or faculty. Laughingfuzzball ( talk) 09:58, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
An IP changed the school's institutional belief to "old earth creationist" from "new earth creationsist". Another ed, Dougweller, changed it back with this edit. I think Doug misunderstood the reference, though. The reference lists schools on a scale of 1-6. Moody is listed as a five, which corresponds to the following institutional position: "God created all life forms, but they appeared in the general sequence and time frame suggested by evolutionist theory." So, the IP seems to have been correct. I have changed it back to what the IP made it with this edit. This is not a traditional reliable source, but it does purport to report on each school's self-identification in a survey. It isn't exactly clear whether this position must be held by anyone teaching or attending the school, so what exactly this institutional belief means and the weight it should be given (per WP:UNDUE, etc.) is still unclear to me. Novaseminary ( talk) 18:06, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
While not citable, I can attest as a student that the Institute's official position is somewhat vague and the faculty's positions are varied. Young earth fiat creationism appears to be the accepted norm, though literary framework is also held and taught by some faculty.The official position, according to the doctrinal statement, is that"the first human beings were special and unique creations by God as contrasted to being derived from any pre-existing life forms. Further, God created everything, after its kind, which excludes any position that allows for any evolutionary process between kinds." [1], which would seem to imply a young-earth position, or at least ot exclude most standard old-earth positions. Laughingfuzzball ( talk) 09:35, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
A related discussion is taking place at Talk:Moody_Publishers#University_press. -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk to me 18:21, 24 April 2012 (UTC)
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The history section here is a blank between 1900 and 2012. Is there no history? Or are there no sources available to give even the barest outline of the history for these 112 years? Carhutt ( talk) 02:47, 5 May 2023 (UTC)
@ Hydrangeans, was surprised to see that my small changes on this sleepy article got your near-instant attention. (How?) The "Media Ministries" section starts with a statement that they have 2 media ministries (true) and then follows with 3 sections. For clarity, I added "(defunct)" to the magazine, which is defunct, no longer one of their media ministries. Wikipedian-in-Waiting ( talk) 01:20, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
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a well-informed section on their messianic "judaism" department would be helpful & enlightening. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:540:2:6F24:3945:F70B:BF15:A308 ( talk) 06:12, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
I removed the reference to Moody's non-participation in Title IV, as they began participating for the Fall 2010 semester. I will try to insert some more detailed information once I can find citable sources. Laughingfuzzball ( talk) 09:58, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
"As part of the process of providing a Bible-centered education that enables students to know Christ and serve Him through His church in vocational ministry..."
Quotes like this are heavy on the Christian POV. This article should be cleaned up to read more like an encyclopedia article and not a Moody Bible Institute viewbook. Scrutchfield 21:21, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
This article is heavily centered around the Chicago campus, with little recognition given to the Spokane branch campus or the regional campuses in Ohio and Florida. We should incorporate a new section into the article dealing specifically with the different campuses.-- Son of thunder ( talk) 17:02, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
There have been changes to the Moody Bible Institute - Spokane campus and the available programs there. I would edit, but I 1) am a current student and am afraid of entering bias. 2) I am under the Moody IP address and would raise a flag of course (I do have a Wiki account, though have forgotten my password and waiting to change it (Nick)) Also, the Spokane campus is no longer considered a part of the Distance Learning division. Sources: http://www.moody.edu/edu_mainpage.aspx?id=1120 66.185.252.253 ( talk) 04:10, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
Agreed. As a former student I do beleive that it would be wise to move the broadcasting side into the Institute article. I also agree with Scrutchfield, it reads too much like a possible admissions brochure than a encyclopedia article. adamfish
I vote do not merge. I really think this subject is large enough to warrent its own article. Perhaps this "Broadcasting" section should mention the other radio aspects of MBI, such as Moody Campus Radio. -- Ktdreyer 16:30, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
I also come down on the side of do not merge. The broadcasting "mission" (as in "mission statement", not "Missionaries") is significantly different that the mission of the educational branch. Though they share common parentage, these differences in purpose and function are great enough to justify different articles. Akradecki 16:59, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
It seems to me that separating both Moody Broadcasting Network and Moody Press from the Moody Bible Institute article all together would be the most logical thing to do. Though they are all part of one and the same thing they are also separate entities. It seems illogical to have a radio network and publishing company listed on an Institutions article other than simply saying they are subsidiaries. By having separate articles there is much more context relevancy. People are also more likely to find them as they can each be listed in the corresponding categories. That way then MBI can be listed as a school as it is in its categories. -- MJHankel 11:41, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
I've added several infoboxes to the page. Are multiple infoboxes appropriate? If not, how should the page be broken down? The merge discussion seems to be heading towards creating different articles for each division. If this is done, which page should contain the general company infobox? What should the "Education" article be titled, since the education division does not have its own name like Moody Broadcasting Network or Moody Publishers? I don't think the page looks good with the multiple infoboxes, but I had difficulty deciding which one best fit the article.-- Son of thunder 03:41, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
The merge proposal has caused people to develop both articles quite extensively. The MBI article has been expanded to cover the education side of things in much more detail, and the MBN article has grown from a single paragraph or two covering the history of the WMBI station to a solid treatment of the entire network. In light of this extensive expansion and definition of the two articles, I no longer think a merge would be appropriate. The MBI article would become much too cumbersome, were we to merge the MBN article into it at this point. I think we should leave the two articles as-is, and provide "See Also" links to other. Now we just need someone to develop a more extensive treatment of Moody Publishers. I'll leave the merge proposal up in case anyone else has anything else to say. If we get no objections, I think it's safe to remove it by the end of the week.-- Son of thunder 15:46, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
The main article needs a link to a complete list of publications offered by the earlier Colportage Library.
The official Moody Publications website appears to lack organized access to the earlier publications of the Colportage Library. For instance, I happened across Colportage Library #292, "Angels and Demons" and discovered it was not only out of print, but the official Moody Publications website does not even list the author, Mrs. George C. Needham, as one in its circle of authors, implying that the book has fallen out of favor somehow. For one thing, CL #292 "Angels and Demons" lacks a copyright notice, but that doesn't necessarily mean that some or all of that work is in the public domain. I was curious if there is a pattern of some kind as to which works of the Colportage Library are indeed out of print, or worse, fallen into censure. 198.177.27.23 22:29, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
There is much more that needs to be done to this page. Addationally, I would like to see current and former students getting involved with the information. MBI has changed much from what this whole article describes and needs to be updated. Such an example would be the new branch campus in Spokane, Washington. This is home to their Aviation Ministry, which uses the local community college for training. Also, with the school attracting more students, some have been accepted into what is called the 1 + 3 program. I would like to see this at the standards of many state colleges and university pages. Nick ( talk) 03:09, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
The schools announced that the Michigan Theological Seminary will be merged as an insitution into Moody's graduate school by the end of the year. It seems that the Michigan Theological Seminary article should be merged into the graduate section of Moody's article with a redirect from the Michigan Theological Seminary to this section in Moody's article if not now, when it is complete. Novaseminary ( talk) 16:22, 17 November 2009 (UTC)
Is there any particular theology they endorse? If so shouldn't it be included in the article? Zantorzi ( talk) 04:01, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
== Zantorzi, that is a great question, and it is a critical element in understanding Moody.
I am a Bible/Theology graduate of MBI. I can confirm that the school has very strong theological commitments to Pre-tribulational, Pre-millenial Dispensationalism. These ideas are not often communicated, nor are they openly debated at the school. Faculty who changed their opinions on these matters have been dismissed from the Institute, and graduates are required to sign a statement confirming their adherence to this theological position, before receiving their diploma / degree.
Links to these would be very helpful to anyone trying to better understand this school.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dispensationalism
-- Delenardo ( talk) 06:13, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
== As a recent graduate, I too can confirm that Moody's faculty is fairly committed to pre-tribulational, pre-millennial eschatology as well as dispensationalism. However, I am not so sure about signing anything that says you're a pre-tribulational, pre-millennial dispensationalist (perhaps things have changed). All that I ever had to sign was the doctrinal statement for admission, which contained the following:
the inspiration, authority, and inerrancy of Scripture the Trinity the full deity and full humanity of Christ the creation of the human race in the image of God the spiritual lostness of the human race the substitutionary atonement and bodily resurrection of Christ salvation by grace through faith alone in Christ alone the physical and imminent return of Christ the eternal reward of the righteous and the eternal judgment of the lost
See Moody's website: http://www.moody.edu/edu_MainPage.aspx?id=3470
The main part that would affect one's view on the said doctrinal questions would be the "imminent return of Christ." But I believe I am not mistaken in saying that one does not have to be a pre-tribulational, pre-millennial dispensationalist to hold to the imminent return of Christ (e.g., the Protestant Reformers, who were amillennial).
Doctrinal position is a sticky issue. While the statement of faith is all that's necesary to participate as a student, the Institute does take a more specific stance on certain issues and generally the faculty is expected to at the very least not be openly hostile toward these positions, though nothing is required of the students in this regard. There's also certain tendencies- while the Institute doesn't technically take a position, it is the dominant position held by the students and faculty. Things get really hairy when you get to the theology department, which has its own set of unofficial positions, mostly based on what's current at Dallas Theological Seminary, where most of the faculty has come out of. In short, Moody isn't immune to the politics of Academia. Since this is mostly personal experience and vague trends, it isn't citable, but the statement of faith is, as is the doctrinal statement ( http://www.moody.edu/uploadedFiles/Education/Library/undergraduate_catalog.pdf, pp 20-23), which outlines the institutes official positions but is not binding on students or faculty. Laughingfuzzball ( talk) 09:58, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
An IP changed the school's institutional belief to "old earth creationist" from "new earth creationsist". Another ed, Dougweller, changed it back with this edit. I think Doug misunderstood the reference, though. The reference lists schools on a scale of 1-6. Moody is listed as a five, which corresponds to the following institutional position: "God created all life forms, but they appeared in the general sequence and time frame suggested by evolutionist theory." So, the IP seems to have been correct. I have changed it back to what the IP made it with this edit. This is not a traditional reliable source, but it does purport to report on each school's self-identification in a survey. It isn't exactly clear whether this position must be held by anyone teaching or attending the school, so what exactly this institutional belief means and the weight it should be given (per WP:UNDUE, etc.) is still unclear to me. Novaseminary ( talk) 18:06, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
While not citable, I can attest as a student that the Institute's official position is somewhat vague and the faculty's positions are varied. Young earth fiat creationism appears to be the accepted norm, though literary framework is also held and taught by some faculty.The official position, according to the doctrinal statement, is that"the first human beings were special and unique creations by God as contrasted to being derived from any pre-existing life forms. Further, God created everything, after its kind, which excludes any position that allows for any evolutionary process between kinds." [1], which would seem to imply a young-earth position, or at least ot exclude most standard old-earth positions. Laughingfuzzball ( talk) 09:35, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
A related discussion is taking place at Talk:Moody_Publishers#University_press. -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk to me 18:21, 24 April 2012 (UTC)
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The history section here is a blank between 1900 and 2012. Is there no history? Or are there no sources available to give even the barest outline of the history for these 112 years? Carhutt ( talk) 02:47, 5 May 2023 (UTC)
@ Hydrangeans, was surprised to see that my small changes on this sleepy article got your near-instant attention. (How?) The "Media Ministries" section starts with a statement that they have 2 media ministries (true) and then follows with 3 sections. For clarity, I added "(defunct)" to the magazine, which is defunct, no longer one of their media ministries. Wikipedian-in-Waiting ( talk) 01:20, 10 March 2024 (UTC)