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I have done some work on this page, and although I am no expert on editing Biography pages, it seems to have enough information not to be classified as a stub. I have therefore removed this status and marked it a "Start". Pixie2000 (talk) 09:28, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
I have seen a lot of people putting in a lot of different places Mo Farah was born in, and I went to his website and discovered that he was indeed born in Mogadishu Somalia. Mods, please look out for the vandalism on this page. Thanks.-- Society12 ( talk) 04:25, 7 August 2010 (UTC)
very true indeed but his clan is from north somalia a city called hargeysa he is realy born in hargeysa but used mogadishu as an excuse to live in england so his real place of birth is hargeysa ... p.s thank you for your time reading this . —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.111.56.252 ( talk) 21:46, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
In the intro his name his spelled "Mohammed", and in the infobox caption it's "Mohamed". Does anyone know which is correct?
He should be removed from these categories unless someone can produce a reference to show that he indeed considers himself a muslim. I'm suspicious that those who have categorized him as such have just made an assumption based on his name. Having seen a fair bit of footage of him I've never heard him thank god or anything like that to suggest he's particularly religious. Harmony krieg ( talk) 16:17, 7 August 2011 (UTC)
He prayed a rakat on the finish line immediately after winning his gold medal in London tonight. Millions of people would have seen that footage. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Eightalbumdeal ( talk • contribs) 23:35, 4 August 2012 (UTC)
Regardless of the reference, I find it very hard to believe that he is 65kg. 56 is more like it. Maybe someone has made a typo some way down the line. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.133.31.215 ( talk) 12:59, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
Is this the right place to request a template for Mo Farah much like most other top athletes have in the column with their details on? He is now an Olympic and World gold medal winner, so it's justified surely? If I had the know how I would do it myself but I can only see myself unwittingly wrecking the page if I attempt it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Eightalbumdeal ( talk • contribs) 23:33, 4 August 2012 (UTC)
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In the Personal Life section, a little mention of his 'Mobot' celebration could be included, if only because the creation is interesting (Claire Balding came up with it and James Cordon gave it the name), and because of Usain Bolt doing it as a mark of respect to Mo after winning the relay. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.28.162.211 ( talk) 10:27, 12 August 2012 (UTC)
Mo Farah's first athletic club was Hounslow Athletic Club which he was introduced to by Alan Watkinson, he was coached there by Alex McGee and later by Conrad Milton. He moved to Newham & Essex Beagles, when Hounslow were forced to leave their track at Feltham and amalgamate with Windsor,Slough & Eton AC. 86.129.89.62 ( talk) 20:18, 12 August 2012 (UTC)
Why does 10,000 metres have a comma in it, but not 5000 / 3000 / 1500 metres? 194.176.105.132 ( talk) 11:39, 13 August 2012 (UTC)
The article currently says 65 kg (143 lb), which is sourced to iaaf.org, but seems too high to me, based on his height and build. That's almost exactly what I weigh, and I'm pretty darned sure that Farah is not as heavy as me. [1] says 58 kg, and [2] says 56 kg. Should we change it to one of these lower values? 86.177.105.213 ( talk) 03:45, 14 August 2012 (UTC)
I would like to focus your attention to Mo Farah's family and the celebration in Somaliland of his olympic gold medals for Team GB; in particular his brother who walked four miles to Wajaale to watch Mo Farah run for Team GB, reported by David Smith in Gabiley Somaliland.
Mo Farah, and Like many Somalians who were born before 1991 in what was then Somalia are proud British Somalilanders where Mo Farah has posed in numerous images bearing the multi-coloured flag of Somaliland. Please have a look at these Links:
Mo Farah's "Motherland" Somaliland Somaliland Flag of Somaliland
To understand the reasons for the creation of an autonomous State, and how many Somalilanders at the time fled persecution to unite in Somaliland. I am a proud British Somalilander and also a distant relative of Mo Farah through family clan system, which is a factor in the Somali-Somaliland Civil War. I am British first, Somaliland second since Great Britain is where I grew up and is my home, and I say it proudly.
This is my first post, and I am using the talk page to gain information from experienced editors of Wikipedia to contact me in regards to structuring or even helping in editing Mo Farah's Wiki page.
-- SJMadar ( talk) 19:10, 16 August 2012 (UTC)
Would it not be better to introduce him as British but mention in brackets that he was born in Mogadishu, similar to the Linford Christie page? I think he has made it clear that he considers himself as 100% British. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.109.72.78 ( talk) 13:31, 16 August 2012 (UTC)
It's crazy to suggest that Mo Farah (Mohamed Farah) was born in Mogadishu when his mum never seen Mogadishu in her entire life. Can you give birth to someone in a place you have never been? I guess not! Please do correct his place of birth to: Arabsiyo-Gabiley 1983 because that's where he was born and later moved to Djiboute before heading to England. - Thanks.
http://www.somaliland.org/2012/08/08/mo-faarax-halyay-u-babac-dhigay-carqalad-kasta-oo-yoolkiisa-iska-hortaagi-karta/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aliburco ( talk • contribs) 11:15, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
IMO the text "... making him the world's fastest long-distance runner" in the lead section is vague and/or misleading, and I propose that it is either clarified or removed. 86.179.6.55 ( talk) 02:25, 23 August 2012 (UTC)
Though the new Mo-in-a-suit image is good, it makes him look a bit like a singer or actor or something, and I think I prefer the previous one of him running as the lead image. What do others think? 86.151.119.57 ( talk) 00:54, 14 September 2012 (UTC)
Here's my 2 cents, as a member of WP Athletics: I prefer the "action" photo slightly. While the "suit" photo is quite good, the "action" photo is also quite good in that it clearly shows the subject's face. (Many "action" photos are sub-par in this respect, and are therefore not ideal for the infobox.) It is quite appropriate to give preference to "action" photos, as their purpose is also illustration, not just identification: the "action" photo does both, while the "suit" photo does only the latter. Still, both photos are of sufficiently high quality that putting either of them in the infobox is certainly not wrong. GregorB ( talk) 12:23, 17 August 2013 (UTC)
The header says he was born in 1983 and is 32 years old. Would the author please correct this? I don't have any expertise, or I would. Given the controversy evident in this Talk page about basic facts (e.g., where he was born), it doesn't seem wise for me to step into the breach.
Thanks. KC 04:09, 2 November 2015 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Boydstra ( talk • contribs)
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I was not being rude or abusive. I was just being cirtical. It is not very nice being blocked, and I ask, how do you justify a block, when I wasn't being rude or abusive or swearing. Perahps Mr Farah can't take critisms. I am sorry if I caused offense.
78.150.20.169 ( talk) 20:25, 28 August 2016 (UTC)
Why so coy about Farah and doping? -- BowlAndSpoon ( talk) 19:07, 7 August 2017 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: not moved. ( non-admin closure) Steel1943 ( talk) 03:34, 23 August 2017 (UTC)
Mo Farah → Mohamed Farah – He has announced that he would like to be known as Mohamed Farah when he switches to road racing.
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In this page, Muktar Edris is said to be the champion. But in Mo Farah's page, it says Mo is. I think Muktar really was the champion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Unnyn ( talk • contribs) 14:42, 22 February 2019 (UTC)
It's a bit misleading to say he is British when he wasn't born in Britain or to at least one British parent. He's Somalian with most likely British Citizenship. So, his lead should be updated to say Somalian-born British. — Calvin999 23:23, 6 November 2015 (UTC)
Actually, it would be completely accurate to describe him as British, considering he has British citizenship. Citizenship is the requirement, not birthplace or birth citizenship. In fact, it would be inaccurate to describe him as Somali although he was born Somali, unless we have evidence that he continues to retain Somali citizenship. Furthermore, see WP:Ethnicity which makes this all clear for the lead of biographies. Previous nationalities, ethnicity, and/or place of birth are not included in the lead. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Apoorva Iyer ( talk • contribs) 17:04, 1 May 2019 (UTC)
We've had such discussions in the past about Somaliland and Somalia so i think we need third party comments. Pass a Method talk 08:42, 17 August 2013 (UTC)
A grounded man, he has retained a strong friendship with the PE teacher who encouraged him to swap football for athletics and helped with visas when Farah arrived as a refugee from Somalia in 1993, and the 27-year-old is not one to forget his roots. On Tuesday night, as he jumped around on the Barcelona track, delirious in celebration, someone in the crowd threw him a Somaliland flag.
"It's a part of Somalia now trying to be recognised as a republic," said Farah, who left the country behind as he tried to build a new life in the UK. "They've just got a new government. I was chucked the flag and I thought: 'Yeah, OK.' There's a lot of people in the UK from Somalia who've followed me."
Mo Farrah's wiki page says his birth name is "Louis Peterson". Is that true? 109.249.187.43 ( talk) 11:58, 9 November 2020 (UTC) Sleiman
So one of his former coaches AFTER he stopped coaching Mo was convicted for doping? Can anyone tell me why this is relevant to this article at all? We already have the section where one test by Russia (who have a great image when it comes to doping) was elevated, but then was cleared. That shouldn't really be in the article, but fair enough. Then we have people trying to put tht Mo was ACCUSED, not ever convicted, of doping as the 2nd paragraph in the lead! Literally every top level athlete has been accused at some time, but I cant find one other on wiki where it is in the lead? If they are every found guilty, then sure, but not an unproven accusation. So unless someone can explain why one of his past coaches should be in this article, I will remove the claim — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2a00:23c4:215:c500:25d5:5f7c:3378:b82d ( talk) 20:29, 15 November 2020 (UTC)
Why is this page not also categorised under "Black English Sports People" Black English sportspeople? 114.134.3.171 ( talk) 23:46, 8 March 2017 (UTC)
Should Farah be described (or categorised) as "Black"? Is this site relevant? Thanks. Martinevans123 ( talk) 12:05, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
As per MoS guidelines, there is an exception to which you can place ethnicity in the lead if it is relevant to the subjects notability. This subject is notable and adored by the Somali for being a Somali Olympic runner. This permits inclusion in the lead as per MoS. It is safe to assume Wikipedia has this rule in place in place in the first place because certain people's ancestry are really irrelevant and not a prominent aspect in their life. For instance John F Kennedy's Irish ancestry. No Irishman probably even knows he is Irish and none know him because of that. This is completely different from when you are deleting it from characters like Mo Farah's where his Somali ethnicity is a prominent aspect of him where he is doing interviews with Somalis in his Somali language and speaking about being Somali etc. And if you go to Somalia, he is *notable* for being a Somali runner and adored by the Somali people. It doesn't warrant exclusion either to just say "British-Somali". Leyncho ( talk) 06:54, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
"his notability is due to his accomplishments alone" as I mentioned on our discussion on my talk page, then in what event is ethnicity ever "notable" by that interpretation Ghmyrtle. What is Wiki referring to a day justifiable excuse for including ethnicity if my interpretation is incorrect. Leyncho ( talk) 07:21, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
"his notability is due to his accomplishments alone" in that case we should delete the "British" as well then no. To take it further, what warrants someone as prominent as Nikola Tesla to have his ethnic Serbian background placed in the lead now then. User:Ghmyrtle Leyncho ( talk) 07:35, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
Ok I've come up with the answer but let me address your points first. I'll tag you so you get notification for when you come back in case you're still interested User:Ghmyrtle
The MoS guidelines is the same for nationality as it is ethnicity. What is notable. MoS just states usually nationality is always notable. I'm just critiquing your "his notability is accomplishments alone" justification there.
On the Nikola Tesla page, this same exact topic was discussed intensely to the point some administrators I'm guessing took action and locked it where his ethnicity is placed in the lead. "Serbian-American". There is nothing different about Nikola Tesla that would warrant his ethnicity from inclusion and not Mo Farah as well as these other athletes ethnicities that I include. Therefore it is safe to assume my conclusions are correct and will be upheld by administrators in any event where it leads to that point as well. I will therefore revert the edits and place "Somali-British" for Mo Farah and others where it is notable based on my interpretation of notability. Here is direct link to that talk I'd you wish
/info/en/?search=Talk:Nikola_Tesla Leyncho ( talk) 08:01, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
User:Martinevans123 Ok, before I even dissect your points, just using basic common sense, what makes 8 or 28 any more or less *notable* for ones *ethnicity*. Since notability is the necessary factor according to MoS. At 8 years old Mo Farah did not stop being an ethnic Somali just like Tesla didn't stop being an *ethnic* Serb at whatever age he left. Nevertheless, to dissect your points even after this fact, Tesla left his hometown in Serbia at the age of 6.. 2 years before Farah. Automatically rendering your point useless. It doesn't matter that he didn't emigrate to the us til 28, since you're trying to argue Mo's Somali background is not relevant since he left Somali at 8. Tesla left even younger. I don't even understand what drives you guys to wish to censor ones ethnicity though. So much to the point that you guys even try to nitpick for such trivial arguments. Not to mention invalid trivial arguments.
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You are complaining about me not "allowing" other view points because I precisely pointed out how your own point contradicts itself... Leyncho ( talk) 11:25, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
Read this talk User:Emily19911991. Also not to mention ''Somali'' is an ethnicity while ''Somalia'' is the country. It's not "Somali-Born" but "Somalia-Born". User:Martinevans123 this applies to you as well Leyncho ( talk) 00:01, 8 August 2021 (UTC)
Nevertheless, it should be Somali-British to keep it short to dictate Somali is the ethnicity but British the nationality. As is done here Irish American and here Nikola Tesla Leyncho ( talk) 00:02, 8 August 2021 (UTC)
Sorry, but Farah's father wasn't born in London. The verification provided for this section, are complete nonsense. They say nothing of the sort. What's more, there is nothing online to support this. Not even Farah claimed it.
His father is a British citizen through residency. He moved to the UK in his 20s, to work.
I'm assuming it was maybe changed by an over-patriotic, Brit, but this isn't the place for mythology
Cjmooney9 ( talk) 14:30, 15 January 2014 (UTC)
Even if the sources now shown state he's 'London-born', I can find nothing in birth records. In Farah's autobiography, he states that his first name is his own, the second name is his father's, the third name his grandfather's, and the fourth name his great-grandfather's- i.e. his great-grandfather's first name was 'Farah' (this means his twin brother is 'Hassan Muktar Jama Farah', as shown in the same volume.) Therefore, his father's name would presumably be 'Muktar Jama Farah X', the X representing whatever HIS great-grandfather's first name was. The same autobiography, however, lists Mo Farah's father as 'Muktar Farah' in the index, so presumably at some point (likely after Mo's success?) his father simply decided to use his grandfather's name as his own, or Mo Farah thought it'd present things more logically for the index. I can't see why Muktar 'Farah' should prefer his grandfather's name as a 'surname' over his great-grandfather's, that being the custom as Mo Farah presents it and from which there appears no necessity that his father should deviate. At any rate, no 'Muktar Farah' appears in U.K. birth records that I can find, meaning he could be registered with whatever his 'surname' should actually be/ have been. As it stands, there does appear to be a media-endorsed push towards 'legitimising' Mo Farah against racists by making this claim, and such can reasonably be considered to be the case pending the production of proof of his father's birth in the U.K. — Preceding
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An additional point- Mo Farah makes no such claim regarding his father's birth in his autobiography; Muktar 'Farah' first appears in the book with the line 'My parents met when my dad was on a trip back to Somalia from the UK, where he was living and working'- no mention of being born there. Further, Mo Farah discusses his grandparents: '... my great-grandfather, Farah, inherited the farm (at Gogesa)... my grandma... spent time in Djibouti as a young woman... For much of the year, my grandma lived and worked in Djibouti City. When Djibouti got too hot in the summer, Grandma would travel back to Gogesa for the holidays. ...when my great-grandfather died, the farm was sold up and my grandma moved permanently to Djibouti... Grandma was still living in Djibouti with my grandad, Jama, by the time I was born'. Nothing about the preceding indicates that Muktar 'Farah' was born in London, as nothing indicates his parents were ever there. You would think Mo Farah, with all his British connections, would mention what others seem to think of as such an important matter in his autobiography, but he does not. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.109.209.27 ( talk) 18:55, 22 April 2018 (UTC)
Regarding naming conventions - traditionally, Somali's do not use family names but instead list the paternal line. Typically, one would have name + father's name + grandfather's name (see, for example, https://culturalatlas.sbs.com.au/somali-culture/naming-8cf7dce7-c194-4a92-9546-05efcfc49d8f). This presents some difficulties when Somalis move to western countries and apply for citizenship. Because it's unusual for a father and child to have different surnames in most western countries, it's not uncommon to for Somali immigrants to list name + father's name + grandfather's name as given names (or first name + middle name) for their children. The "family name" would then be the great-grandfather's name so that it agrees with that on the father's documentation. This is what happened with my sibling and I and, presumably, what happened with Mo Farah as well (he moved to the UK to join his father as child).
On a related note, would somebody add the Somali spelling of his name? It's Maxamed Mukhtaar Jaamac Faarax but the article is semi-protected and I'm unable to change it. Additionally, the Arabic spelling of his name is likely incorrect. In all likelihood, there should be an "ʾalif" after the "fāʾ" to indicate the long vowel. Farax (without the long vowel) is a Somali/Arabic word meaning happiness but is very rarely used as a masculine name. Faarax on the other hand is so common as a Somali name, it's basically a cliché. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.127.45.136 ( talk) 08:03, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
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Please add the Somali spelling of his name. It's "Maxamed Mukhtaar Jaamac Faarax". Since he's Somali and not an Arab (and the Arabic spelling is displayed), the Somali spelling should also be displayed.
On a related note, I'm fairly certain that "فارح" is a better "Arabicification" of his name surname than the currently displayed "فرح". The former indicates the long vowel in "Faarax" (Somali spelling) and, crucially, it distinguishes "Faarax" (a very common Somali name) from "Farax" (a Somali/Arabic word meaning happiness) which is almost never used as a Somali masculine name. 69.127.45.136 ( talk) 09:05, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
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I have done some work on this page, and although I am no expert on editing Biography pages, it seems to have enough information not to be classified as a stub. I have therefore removed this status and marked it a "Start". Pixie2000 (talk) 09:28, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
I have seen a lot of people putting in a lot of different places Mo Farah was born in, and I went to his website and discovered that he was indeed born in Mogadishu Somalia. Mods, please look out for the vandalism on this page. Thanks.-- Society12 ( talk) 04:25, 7 August 2010 (UTC)
very true indeed but his clan is from north somalia a city called hargeysa he is realy born in hargeysa but used mogadishu as an excuse to live in england so his real place of birth is hargeysa ... p.s thank you for your time reading this . —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.111.56.252 ( talk) 21:46, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
In the intro his name his spelled "Mohammed", and in the infobox caption it's "Mohamed". Does anyone know which is correct?
He should be removed from these categories unless someone can produce a reference to show that he indeed considers himself a muslim. I'm suspicious that those who have categorized him as such have just made an assumption based on his name. Having seen a fair bit of footage of him I've never heard him thank god or anything like that to suggest he's particularly religious. Harmony krieg ( talk) 16:17, 7 August 2011 (UTC)
He prayed a rakat on the finish line immediately after winning his gold medal in London tonight. Millions of people would have seen that footage. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Eightalbumdeal ( talk • contribs) 23:35, 4 August 2012 (UTC)
Regardless of the reference, I find it very hard to believe that he is 65kg. 56 is more like it. Maybe someone has made a typo some way down the line. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.133.31.215 ( talk) 12:59, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
Is this the right place to request a template for Mo Farah much like most other top athletes have in the column with their details on? He is now an Olympic and World gold medal winner, so it's justified surely? If I had the know how I would do it myself but I can only see myself unwittingly wrecking the page if I attempt it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Eightalbumdeal ( talk • contribs) 23:33, 4 August 2012 (UTC)
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In the Personal Life section, a little mention of his 'Mobot' celebration could be included, if only because the creation is interesting (Claire Balding came up with it and James Cordon gave it the name), and because of Usain Bolt doing it as a mark of respect to Mo after winning the relay. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.28.162.211 ( talk) 10:27, 12 August 2012 (UTC)
Mo Farah's first athletic club was Hounslow Athletic Club which he was introduced to by Alan Watkinson, he was coached there by Alex McGee and later by Conrad Milton. He moved to Newham & Essex Beagles, when Hounslow were forced to leave their track at Feltham and amalgamate with Windsor,Slough & Eton AC. 86.129.89.62 ( talk) 20:18, 12 August 2012 (UTC)
Why does 10,000 metres have a comma in it, but not 5000 / 3000 / 1500 metres? 194.176.105.132 ( talk) 11:39, 13 August 2012 (UTC)
The article currently says 65 kg (143 lb), which is sourced to iaaf.org, but seems too high to me, based on his height and build. That's almost exactly what I weigh, and I'm pretty darned sure that Farah is not as heavy as me. [1] says 58 kg, and [2] says 56 kg. Should we change it to one of these lower values? 86.177.105.213 ( talk) 03:45, 14 August 2012 (UTC)
I would like to focus your attention to Mo Farah's family and the celebration in Somaliland of his olympic gold medals for Team GB; in particular his brother who walked four miles to Wajaale to watch Mo Farah run for Team GB, reported by David Smith in Gabiley Somaliland.
Mo Farah, and Like many Somalians who were born before 1991 in what was then Somalia are proud British Somalilanders where Mo Farah has posed in numerous images bearing the multi-coloured flag of Somaliland. Please have a look at these Links:
Mo Farah's "Motherland" Somaliland Somaliland Flag of Somaliland
To understand the reasons for the creation of an autonomous State, and how many Somalilanders at the time fled persecution to unite in Somaliland. I am a proud British Somalilander and also a distant relative of Mo Farah through family clan system, which is a factor in the Somali-Somaliland Civil War. I am British first, Somaliland second since Great Britain is where I grew up and is my home, and I say it proudly.
This is my first post, and I am using the talk page to gain information from experienced editors of Wikipedia to contact me in regards to structuring or even helping in editing Mo Farah's Wiki page.
-- SJMadar ( talk) 19:10, 16 August 2012 (UTC)
Would it not be better to introduce him as British but mention in brackets that he was born in Mogadishu, similar to the Linford Christie page? I think he has made it clear that he considers himself as 100% British. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.109.72.78 ( talk) 13:31, 16 August 2012 (UTC)
It's crazy to suggest that Mo Farah (Mohamed Farah) was born in Mogadishu when his mum never seen Mogadishu in her entire life. Can you give birth to someone in a place you have never been? I guess not! Please do correct his place of birth to: Arabsiyo-Gabiley 1983 because that's where he was born and later moved to Djiboute before heading to England. - Thanks.
http://www.somaliland.org/2012/08/08/mo-faarax-halyay-u-babac-dhigay-carqalad-kasta-oo-yoolkiisa-iska-hortaagi-karta/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aliburco ( talk • contribs) 11:15, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
IMO the text "... making him the world's fastest long-distance runner" in the lead section is vague and/or misleading, and I propose that it is either clarified or removed. 86.179.6.55 ( talk) 02:25, 23 August 2012 (UTC)
Though the new Mo-in-a-suit image is good, it makes him look a bit like a singer or actor or something, and I think I prefer the previous one of him running as the lead image. What do others think? 86.151.119.57 ( talk) 00:54, 14 September 2012 (UTC)
Here's my 2 cents, as a member of WP Athletics: I prefer the "action" photo slightly. While the "suit" photo is quite good, the "action" photo is also quite good in that it clearly shows the subject's face. (Many "action" photos are sub-par in this respect, and are therefore not ideal for the infobox.) It is quite appropriate to give preference to "action" photos, as their purpose is also illustration, not just identification: the "action" photo does both, while the "suit" photo does only the latter. Still, both photos are of sufficiently high quality that putting either of them in the infobox is certainly not wrong. GregorB ( talk) 12:23, 17 August 2013 (UTC)
The header says he was born in 1983 and is 32 years old. Would the author please correct this? I don't have any expertise, or I would. Given the controversy evident in this Talk page about basic facts (e.g., where he was born), it doesn't seem wise for me to step into the breach.
Thanks. KC 04:09, 2 November 2015 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Boydstra ( talk • contribs)
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I was not being rude or abusive. I was just being cirtical. It is not very nice being blocked, and I ask, how do you justify a block, when I wasn't being rude or abusive or swearing. Perahps Mr Farah can't take critisms. I am sorry if I caused offense.
78.150.20.169 ( talk) 20:25, 28 August 2016 (UTC)
Why so coy about Farah and doping? -- BowlAndSpoon ( talk) 19:07, 7 August 2017 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: not moved. ( non-admin closure) Steel1943 ( talk) 03:34, 23 August 2017 (UTC)
Mo Farah → Mohamed Farah – He has announced that he would like to be known as Mohamed Farah when he switches to road racing.
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In this page, Muktar Edris is said to be the champion. But in Mo Farah's page, it says Mo is. I think Muktar really was the champion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Unnyn ( talk • contribs) 14:42, 22 February 2019 (UTC)
It's a bit misleading to say he is British when he wasn't born in Britain or to at least one British parent. He's Somalian with most likely British Citizenship. So, his lead should be updated to say Somalian-born British. — Calvin999 23:23, 6 November 2015 (UTC)
Actually, it would be completely accurate to describe him as British, considering he has British citizenship. Citizenship is the requirement, not birthplace or birth citizenship. In fact, it would be inaccurate to describe him as Somali although he was born Somali, unless we have evidence that he continues to retain Somali citizenship. Furthermore, see WP:Ethnicity which makes this all clear for the lead of biographies. Previous nationalities, ethnicity, and/or place of birth are not included in the lead. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Apoorva Iyer ( talk • contribs) 17:04, 1 May 2019 (UTC)
We've had such discussions in the past about Somaliland and Somalia so i think we need third party comments. Pass a Method talk 08:42, 17 August 2013 (UTC)
A grounded man, he has retained a strong friendship with the PE teacher who encouraged him to swap football for athletics and helped with visas when Farah arrived as a refugee from Somalia in 1993, and the 27-year-old is not one to forget his roots. On Tuesday night, as he jumped around on the Barcelona track, delirious in celebration, someone in the crowd threw him a Somaliland flag.
"It's a part of Somalia now trying to be recognised as a republic," said Farah, who left the country behind as he tried to build a new life in the UK. "They've just got a new government. I was chucked the flag and I thought: 'Yeah, OK.' There's a lot of people in the UK from Somalia who've followed me."
Mo Farrah's wiki page says his birth name is "Louis Peterson". Is that true? 109.249.187.43 ( talk) 11:58, 9 November 2020 (UTC) Sleiman
So one of his former coaches AFTER he stopped coaching Mo was convicted for doping? Can anyone tell me why this is relevant to this article at all? We already have the section where one test by Russia (who have a great image when it comes to doping) was elevated, but then was cleared. That shouldn't really be in the article, but fair enough. Then we have people trying to put tht Mo was ACCUSED, not ever convicted, of doping as the 2nd paragraph in the lead! Literally every top level athlete has been accused at some time, but I cant find one other on wiki where it is in the lead? If they are every found guilty, then sure, but not an unproven accusation. So unless someone can explain why one of his past coaches should be in this article, I will remove the claim — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2a00:23c4:215:c500:25d5:5f7c:3378:b82d ( talk) 20:29, 15 November 2020 (UTC)
Why is this page not also categorised under "Black English Sports People" Black English sportspeople? 114.134.3.171 ( talk) 23:46, 8 March 2017 (UTC)
Should Farah be described (or categorised) as "Black"? Is this site relevant? Thanks. Martinevans123 ( talk) 12:05, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
As per MoS guidelines, there is an exception to which you can place ethnicity in the lead if it is relevant to the subjects notability. This subject is notable and adored by the Somali for being a Somali Olympic runner. This permits inclusion in the lead as per MoS. It is safe to assume Wikipedia has this rule in place in place in the first place because certain people's ancestry are really irrelevant and not a prominent aspect in their life. For instance John F Kennedy's Irish ancestry. No Irishman probably even knows he is Irish and none know him because of that. This is completely different from when you are deleting it from characters like Mo Farah's where his Somali ethnicity is a prominent aspect of him where he is doing interviews with Somalis in his Somali language and speaking about being Somali etc. And if you go to Somalia, he is *notable* for being a Somali runner and adored by the Somali people. It doesn't warrant exclusion either to just say "British-Somali". Leyncho ( talk) 06:54, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
"his notability is due to his accomplishments alone" as I mentioned on our discussion on my talk page, then in what event is ethnicity ever "notable" by that interpretation Ghmyrtle. What is Wiki referring to a day justifiable excuse for including ethnicity if my interpretation is incorrect. Leyncho ( talk) 07:21, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
"his notability is due to his accomplishments alone" in that case we should delete the "British" as well then no. To take it further, what warrants someone as prominent as Nikola Tesla to have his ethnic Serbian background placed in the lead now then. User:Ghmyrtle Leyncho ( talk) 07:35, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
Ok I've come up with the answer but let me address your points first. I'll tag you so you get notification for when you come back in case you're still interested User:Ghmyrtle
The MoS guidelines is the same for nationality as it is ethnicity. What is notable. MoS just states usually nationality is always notable. I'm just critiquing your "his notability is accomplishments alone" justification there.
On the Nikola Tesla page, this same exact topic was discussed intensely to the point some administrators I'm guessing took action and locked it where his ethnicity is placed in the lead. "Serbian-American". There is nothing different about Nikola Tesla that would warrant his ethnicity from inclusion and not Mo Farah as well as these other athletes ethnicities that I include. Therefore it is safe to assume my conclusions are correct and will be upheld by administrators in any event where it leads to that point as well. I will therefore revert the edits and place "Somali-British" for Mo Farah and others where it is notable based on my interpretation of notability. Here is direct link to that talk I'd you wish
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User:Martinevans123 Ok, before I even dissect your points, just using basic common sense, what makes 8 or 28 any more or less *notable* for ones *ethnicity*. Since notability is the necessary factor according to MoS. At 8 years old Mo Farah did not stop being an ethnic Somali just like Tesla didn't stop being an *ethnic* Serb at whatever age he left. Nevertheless, to dissect your points even after this fact, Tesla left his hometown in Serbia at the age of 6.. 2 years before Farah. Automatically rendering your point useless. It doesn't matter that he didn't emigrate to the us til 28, since you're trying to argue Mo's Somali background is not relevant since he left Somali at 8. Tesla left even younger. I don't even understand what drives you guys to wish to censor ones ethnicity though. So much to the point that you guys even try to nitpick for such trivial arguments. Not to mention invalid trivial arguments.
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You are complaining about me not "allowing" other view points because I precisely pointed out how your own point contradicts itself... Leyncho ( talk) 11:25, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
Read this talk User:Emily19911991. Also not to mention ''Somali'' is an ethnicity while ''Somalia'' is the country. It's not "Somali-Born" but "Somalia-Born". User:Martinevans123 this applies to you as well Leyncho ( talk) 00:01, 8 August 2021 (UTC)
Nevertheless, it should be Somali-British to keep it short to dictate Somali is the ethnicity but British the nationality. As is done here Irish American and here Nikola Tesla Leyncho ( talk) 00:02, 8 August 2021 (UTC)
Sorry, but Farah's father wasn't born in London. The verification provided for this section, are complete nonsense. They say nothing of the sort. What's more, there is nothing online to support this. Not even Farah claimed it.
His father is a British citizen through residency. He moved to the UK in his 20s, to work.
I'm assuming it was maybe changed by an over-patriotic, Brit, but this isn't the place for mythology
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Even if the sources now shown state he's 'London-born', I can find nothing in birth records. In Farah's autobiography, he states that his first name is his own, the second name is his father's, the third name his grandfather's, and the fourth name his great-grandfather's- i.e. his great-grandfather's first name was 'Farah' (this means his twin brother is 'Hassan Muktar Jama Farah', as shown in the same volume.) Therefore, his father's name would presumably be 'Muktar Jama Farah X', the X representing whatever HIS great-grandfather's first name was. The same autobiography, however, lists Mo Farah's father as 'Muktar Farah' in the index, so presumably at some point (likely after Mo's success?) his father simply decided to use his grandfather's name as his own, or Mo Farah thought it'd present things more logically for the index. I can't see why Muktar 'Farah' should prefer his grandfather's name as a 'surname' over his great-grandfather's, that being the custom as Mo Farah presents it and from which there appears no necessity that his father should deviate. At any rate, no 'Muktar Farah' appears in U.K. birth records that I can find, meaning he could be registered with whatever his 'surname' should actually be/ have been. As it stands, there does appear to be a media-endorsed push towards 'legitimising' Mo Farah against racists by making this claim, and such can reasonably be considered to be the case pending the production of proof of his father's birth in the U.K. — Preceding
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An additional point- Mo Farah makes no such claim regarding his father's birth in his autobiography; Muktar 'Farah' first appears in the book with the line 'My parents met when my dad was on a trip back to Somalia from the UK, where he was living and working'- no mention of being born there. Further, Mo Farah discusses his grandparents: '... my great-grandfather, Farah, inherited the farm (at Gogesa)... my grandma... spent time in Djibouti as a young woman... For much of the year, my grandma lived and worked in Djibouti City. When Djibouti got too hot in the summer, Grandma would travel back to Gogesa for the holidays. ...when my great-grandfather died, the farm was sold up and my grandma moved permanently to Djibouti... Grandma was still living in Djibouti with my grandad, Jama, by the time I was born'. Nothing about the preceding indicates that Muktar 'Farah' was born in London, as nothing indicates his parents were ever there. You would think Mo Farah, with all his British connections, would mention what others seem to think of as such an important matter in his autobiography, but he does not. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.109.209.27 ( talk) 18:55, 22 April 2018 (UTC)
Regarding naming conventions - traditionally, Somali's do not use family names but instead list the paternal line. Typically, one would have name + father's name + grandfather's name (see, for example, https://culturalatlas.sbs.com.au/somali-culture/naming-8cf7dce7-c194-4a92-9546-05efcfc49d8f). This presents some difficulties when Somalis move to western countries and apply for citizenship. Because it's unusual for a father and child to have different surnames in most western countries, it's not uncommon to for Somali immigrants to list name + father's name + grandfather's name as given names (or first name + middle name) for their children. The "family name" would then be the great-grandfather's name so that it agrees with that on the father's documentation. This is what happened with my sibling and I and, presumably, what happened with Mo Farah as well (he moved to the UK to join his father as child).
On a related note, would somebody add the Somali spelling of his name? It's Maxamed Mukhtaar Jaamac Faarax but the article is semi-protected and I'm unable to change it. Additionally, the Arabic spelling of his name is likely incorrect. In all likelihood, there should be an "ʾalif" after the "fāʾ" to indicate the long vowel. Farax (without the long vowel) is a Somali/Arabic word meaning happiness but is very rarely used as a masculine name. Faarax on the other hand is so common as a Somali name, it's basically a cliché. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.127.45.136 ( talk) 08:03, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
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Please add the Somali spelling of his name. It's "Maxamed Mukhtaar Jaamac Faarax". Since he's Somali and not an Arab (and the Arabic spelling is displayed), the Somali spelling should also be displayed.
On a related note, I'm fairly certain that "فارح" is a better "Arabicification" of his name surname than the currently displayed "فرح". The former indicates the long vowel in "Faarax" (Somali spelling) and, crucially, it distinguishes "Faarax" (a very common Somali name) from "Farax" (a Somali/Arabic word meaning happiness) which is almost never used as a Somali masculine name. 69.127.45.136 ( talk) 09:05, 10 August 2021 (UTC)