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Just an FYI.
-G —Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.117.158.83 ( talk) 20:14, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
Yep, he took it off Thor when the Avengers were fighting him, pegged Thor with the hammer, and almost finished him off with it before the Cap jumped in and saved him. Only this happened in the Ultimate universe not in 616, so it might not count. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.160.187.25 ( talk) 06:47, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
Red Hulk exposed a weakness in the enchantment where it depends on the force of gravity to actually work. Red Hulk grabbed onto Thor and the Hammer and jumped off the earth surface, taking Thor along for the ride and ending up in zero gravity. Red Hulk was able to wield and use the hammer against Thor in space. At the end of the battle Thor ended up on the moon and Red Hulk tossed the hammer down on the moon along with him. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.209.242.33 ( talk) 03:28, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
I do believe that 616 Hulk was able to lift the hammer in a story line. I don't have any references so I won't add him. But can anyone add insight? -- Grimbear13 ►Talk 17:08, 17 September 2010 (UTC)
Why isn't Hercules listed under wielders? Is he not allowed or something? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.238.78.170 ( talk) 18:50, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
The Hercules of the Marvel universe uses Mjlonir to smash the head of the cyborg Thor clone. He does this in issue 7 of civil war. Also as stated the Hulk of the Ultimate Universe can pick up Mjolnir.
Hurts to say this (as lifelong Marvel fan) but Wonder Woman lifted Mjolnir in the Marvel vs DC Crossover tale where she had to fight Storm. The hammer transported near her after Thor panned Captain Marvel (DC), but she relinquished it before beating Storm because it would have been unfair... top gal. Should this be added..?
- HJ -
When did USAgent lift the hammer? I'm drawing a blank here.
Also, Should Superman be quantified as a lifter, as he only temporarily had the ability to wield Mjolnir? At the end of the issue, Mjolnir was unliftable by Superman. He was only able to weild it after Thor temporarily recended the limitation, an action only done under extreme duress.
Hmmm ... does this make Captain America worthy? I remember only one instance where he weilded it and, at the time, it was to return the hammar to Thor while he was being tortured.\
Maybe the test of "weilding Mjolnir" would be to lift it w/o the presense of Thor to recend the restriction.
- Al -
Superman "lifted" the hammer in mid-throw just like Eric Masterson did. It's CLEAR that BOTH Superman AND ERIC MASTERSON GRIPPED the hammer as Thor threw/tossed it. Superman has a STRONG weakness against MAGIC, which Thor's hammer is purely consist of throughly! Superman CANNOT lifted Thor's jock strap if even ODIN made him able to because he will NEVER be as THOROUGH as THE-MIGHTY-THOR! I know Wonder Woman can lift Mjolnir waaaaaaaaaaaay before an over powered farm boy can!!!!!!!!!!!ROOKIES!?!
moshun11
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Applejuicefool 13:16, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
-- Evmore 16:27, 20 November 2005 (UTC)
In X-Men Annual #9 Loki gives Storm a hammer. He then states, "Her hammer is bound to my power by the spells that forge it... and Ororo to it by her lifesblood!" The hammer is flat on one end and wedge-shaped on the other. Later in the issue Loki catches the hammer in mid-flight and states that he helped forge it. The hammer is clearly not Mjolnir and therefore Storm is not eligible to be on the list of those who have lifted Mjolnir.
--ZW
Please note that there is no "bested in combat" exception to wielding Mjolnir. The Beta Ray Bill instance was a specific plan by Odin to create another protector for Asgard. Lochdale 05:08, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
Strength has nothing to do with lifting Thor's hammer. Plus Superman has finite strength if you want to talk about sheer raw power Hulk tops them all. --
Grimbear13
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Eric Masterson lifted Mjolnir prior to being merged with Thor, that's how he became merged with Thor. Eric was attacking the Mongoose with Mjolnir when he died.
I think a section on those who use the hammer in the What if ... series would be interesting. Notable hammer-tossers would be Rogue and Jane Forrester.
Conan carries the Mjolnir, after Thor dies, to battle Crom.
Another notable "What If" weilder was Crusader, the daughter of Cap America and Rogue from the last issues of Vol.2. Surprisingly, Thor's owns son wasn't able to lift the hammer.
The subject of DC superheroes lifting Mjolnir is on shakey ground, as these issues are not considered canon by both publishers. DC occasionally persists the storyline, Marvel does not.
AlGorup 14:45, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
This seems like a situation where a reliable secondary source would serve better than a primary source. We can argue all day over how to interpret the crossover itself, just as we could argue over how to interpret the Bible. An interview with one of the creators or company spokesmen, however, is far less open to interpretation. Can anyone cite a secondary source which says that this crossover is or is not canon? -- GentlemanGhost 21:00, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
Both Marvel Vs. DC and JLA/Avengers are considered canon to both companies. Access is a canon character, as is the Cosmic Egg. I've spoken to editors at both companies regarding this. JAF1970 19:57, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
But it is canon for DC, as seen in the pages of JLA, the syndicate Rules storyline.
BWANASIMBA 03:03, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
I'm simply reverting User:Asgardian's edits because they contain so many errors in formatting, wikilinking, citing sources, etc. I see no reason to spend hours going through and correcting these when we have pre-Asgardian versions available that don't contain these. CovenantD 00:48, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
Not that I mentioned them here, but the measurements need to go, period. Handbook stats are not used due to their notorious unreliability. CovenantD 19:04, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
Grade-A adamantium such as that used by recent versions of Ultron or Captain America's Shield can deflect it (although can be dented after a continuous assault).
I think, but am not sure, that this sentence implied Cap's shield is made out of adamantium (it's not, it's stronger). The sole time thor dented Cap's shield (and later repaired it) was when he possessed odin's power, which is probably notable. Impulse 17:56, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
Should the events described in the last Ragnarok storline be taken so literal? It implies that the Asgardians have been around since the dinosaurs and if a star was destroyed then wouldn't it have destroyed Earth's sun? Since gods have a tendence to exaggerate things shoudn't this be clarified more?
I agree. The history is difficult to piece together, as my readings of the comic is incomplete. How could Loki sabotage the construction of the hammer when Odin used it to slay his father? I always assumed that there was no contact between Loki and Odin/Thor prior to his adoption. So how could he sabotage the creation of an object that he didn't know exists?
AlGorup 13:48, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
One thing that's common in all of Marvel's version of mythological "gods" is that the writers write almost all of them as being cocky, long winded, and having a tendency to use dramatic poetic license when it comes to describing things or events in their history. Another problem is that Marvel integrated the fictional world The Hyborian Age into part of Earth's prehistoric era. Marvel used events described during this era as part of way of shaping major events in Earth's history including the Great Cataclysm that sank Atlantis and all that. During the entire course of the various Conan The Barbarian comics that Marvel put out, aside from a few "What If?" issues, Conan had no contact or anything to do with modern day characters, nor did any of the "gods" in Conan's time. In fact, as far as I know, the "gods" of the Hyborian Era don't exist in the Marvel Universe now, exactly what happened to them has never been explained and probably never will be. Marvel tends to not delve into stories involving Earth's early history anymore since they don't own the rights to Conan or the world created by Robert E. Howard anymore. So, some questions, such as truly how long the various god pantheons have been around for instance, exactly how and when weapons like Mjolnir were forged, etc. are probably going to remain ambiguous at best.
Should Eric Masterson be included on the list of those those who picked it up? The first time Thor summoned Mijolnir to himself and Eric just thought he had lifted it and later times Thor had been banished within Eric.
For several days now this page keeps shifting between two different pages. Can a single page be agreed upon or aspects of the two pages be merged?
A certain user - to judge from his talk page - seems to resent any changes to pages he feels he has juristiction over. This is a fallacy and also smacks of pettiness. Images can be changed and text can be made more succinct, as is the case here. There is nothing wrong with this.
Asgardian 03:28, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
I've tried adapting the best of both pages. The history given in the Ragnarok storline cannot be accuret if you take into account that the only gods to exist at the time of the dinosaurs were the Elder gods like Chthon and Gaea. They also pointed out in that story that Odin made the Earth and humanity, but since other gods exist like Zeus that story isn't necessarily true. Also, since there have been multiple Ragnaroks it is unknown if only one Mjolnir surivive all of them or if a new one was made each time. I have eliminated much of the repitition and included both images to try and satisfy both of you, Asgardian and CovenantD. Also, this article is not about Ultimate Thor's hammer which for all we know has no worthiness enchantment. That has not been stated one way or the other. It could just be really heavy requiring enough physical strength to lift it. Asgardian has documented many of the changes he made and things like Perrikus destroying it are FACT. Therefore, it deserves mention just as much as any other time Mjolnir has been destroyed. The extra information CovenantD give on the various enchantments give a reader addiontional information and clarrification about each enchantment the reader might be interested in. It is still divided up into the six enchantments making it easy to read. Wikipedia is meant for everyone, so since all the facts are true try to compromise.
Some of the storylines directly contradict one another, particularly as you pointed out the part about Odin creating Earth and humanity and all that. It's not accurate at all. www.marvunapp.com Try going to that site, they have profiles about many of the lesser known and/or rarely used characters in the Marvel Universe, including a lot of information regarding many of the Elder Gods. It might be able to help sort out some of the confusion regarding some of these storylines. There are profiles on the Midgard Serpent, Set, Chthon, etc. Odin's Beard 02:21, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
Most of this is already present in the updated version:
In pre-recorded Asgardian history, Odin ordered the dwarven blacksmiths Eitri, Brok, and Buri to forge Mjolnir. (Eitri is already mentioned) They used the core of a star and a forge enchanted by Odin to craft the weapon. The forging process was so intense, it destroyed the star and nearly Earth itself (subsequently implying that this event triggered the extinction of Earth's dinosaurs, but several events have been stated to be the cause of this). (In Marvel history Set caused the extinction of the dinosaurs - see Atum)
--Both stories have some legitimancy since both have been mentioned. We don't know how much of it is tur5e which is why I have clarrified that several events have been stated to be the source of this. Seekquaze
Afterwards, Odin imbued Mjolnir with several self-sustaining enchantments (as detailed below). (In later section) For a brief time, Odin used Mjolnir. One such instance was in a lethal fight with Laufey, a frost giant. After Laufey's death, Odin decided to adopt his orphaned son, Loki. (Not really relevant - mentioned that Odin used hammer)
--The enchantment part just lets people know what Odin did to it. The later part goes into detail. It is relevant how Odin used it because if he used it to kill Loki's father when Loki was just a child then Loki could not have interfered with its making. Seekquaze
Eventually, Odin laid Mjolnir to rest until its rightful owner, Thor, proved himself worthy of carrying it. Towards that end, Odin subjected Thor to numerous trials and tribulations, in an effort for Thor to develop into a person noble enough to wield Mjolnir. Thor used to measure his progress by seeing how high he can lift the mallet. This is the only occurrence of anyone partially wielding Mjolnir. (Powers and Abilities)
--Does not fall under powers and abilities. Seekquaze
Mjolnir's forge was lost for a period of time. Loki found it and used it to construct Uru weapons to challenge Thor's rule of Asgard, subsequently triggering the events leading to Ragnarok. (Mentioned in last section with reference)
Can either or both of the histories be found in an issue of the comic? Anything from real mythology should be in the main Mjolnir article and not here unless it's from a comic. Grey Shadow 11:00, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
Correct. It happens in Thor Annual #11 -
http://www.immortalthor.net/
Loki cuts off Sif's hair etc etc. As I said, if you can find a reference for the other version, we'll keep it. Regards
Asgardian
00:34, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
Yes...that's the forges...but not the actual myth...
Asgardian
05:35, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
The Marvel Handbook reference is fact. Mjolnir's measurements, unlike characters and whole stories, have never been changed. Besides, the argument for omission of any Handbook material is pretty weak.
Asgardian
02:56, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
Almost everything on the page IS copyrighted to Marvel! Why source copyrighted stories for most things but neglect others? Logic flaw.
Asgardian
03:21, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
I took out the mention of Earth-616 from the lead section because it's not meaningful to someone unfamiliar with the subject (i.e., too in-universe). Also, its not discussed anywhere else within the article. If it is necessary to differentiate Earth-616 from the other realities within the Marvel Universe, I feel this should be done within the body of the article. -- GentlemanGhost 22:27, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
I have put the request for citations back into the article. In particular, something that is a direct quote, such as the meaning of the word Mjolnir, needs to be sourced. Asgardian, you pointed out in your edit summary that "by that logic all those other myths need sourcing now". The short answer is yes, they do. I'm not sure which myths you were referring to, but if they are unsourced, then yes, they absolutely should be cited. In my case, I am requesting a citation for the whole paragraph regarding the Norse myth above where I put the template. Just because it's a myth that was probably handed down in an oral tradition doesn't mean it shouldn't be cited. Surely there are viable primary sources for it. -- GentlemanGhost 18:07, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
Why note who can and can't survive a hammer blow? For example, the Hulk can survive a hit but like Superman, Thor doesn't always go all out which is why Thor can fight villans such as El Toro and kill him outright. Specific references are not needed. Lochdale 05:10, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
Both JLA/Avengers and DC Vs. Marvel are canon. 1. Anything dealing with Access is considered canon to both universes. 2. JLA/Avengers is canon - as is the Cosmic Egg. Read the JLA/Avengers supplement. JAF1970 01:40, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
Finally, two images is sufficient. Any more is clutter, and as indicated this is not a fan site.
Asgardian 10:11, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
Would cameos be noteable? Mjolnir as appeared in the Tellos one shot 'The Last Heist'. (Pretty sure it's the hammer, Alan Scott's lantern is one page before...). Lots42 ( talk) 10:10, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
In one incident Thor's hammer is possessed, even going so far as to almost kill a radio D.J. In another, it's seperated from Thor, landing in Nebraska. Thousands line up to lift it, failing of course (but benefitting a clever, nearby doctor specializing in hernias). A millitary base is built over the hammer, then Doctor Doom himself attacks, killing many innocent soldiers in an effort to claim it. In conclusion, when does an event become noteable re: the hammer, seperate from Thor the entity? (Cap once sacrificed his shield in order to save a sailor's life; this is note on the shield page if I recall correctly). Lots42 ( talk) 20:14, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
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BetacommandBot ( talk) 02:48, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
I'm pretty sure I saw, out this month on the shelves in 7-11, an issue of the alternate reality series 'Marvel Adventures' with the cover showing Spider-man weilding the hammer. That was a long sentence. Lots42 ( talk) 11:03, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
The argument for/against these debated here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Melter
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Ego_the_Living_Planet
A consensus showed they cannot really apply to most comic-related articles.
Asgardian ( talk) 05:29, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
There's no reason to be swearing and so angry in the edit summaries, people. Either a character weilded Earth 616 Mjolnir or he (or she) didn't. Lots42 ( talk) 10:33, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
First off, to my knowledge Hercules has never wielded Mjolnir. In Civil War it was a fake. A technological copy created by Stark and Richards nothing more. If you know of an instance where Hercules wielded the real one name the issue. If you do not know the issue name the instance and overall storyline. There are resources on the Internet where the issue number can be found. If you can't name either of the two please stop changing it because there is no evidence Hercules ever wielded it.
Red Hulk-Technically he did not wield it the same way the others did by proving himself worthy. Loeb used shoddy reasoning to get around it. There have been numerous discussions on the problems with getting Thor up into space with it. So RHulk does not make the list. Not because the comic was sloppily written, but because he did not pass the worthiness test like the others.
Green Hulk has never wielded it. Ultimate Thor's hammer (hammers?) is different and has no such enchantment. The only time Green Hulk has lifted classic Mjolnir is when Thor has had all of the enchantments removed from it.
Superman technically did lift it, but the wording by Thor after words was somewhat ambigious. He seemed to be implying that due to emergence circumstances Superman was able to lift it once but not later unlike other characters like Beta Ray Bill that could wield it at any time. Nevertheless, he did wield it and get its power, so since the list is not going into specifics I think he makes it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 161.31.67.124 ( talk) 02:05, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
There's some special HTML we can use so when someone opens up the weilders section to edit, they -could- see a warning not to add 'Hulk'. We need to put such text in and I do not know how. Lots42 ( talk) 05:25, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
A piece of Mjolnir ended up causing the creation of Inferno (Joseph Conroy). We should somehow note that the hammer was messed up in the first place and then repaired at the steel mill and a flake left behind. Not sure where I could insert this info. Lots42 ( talk) 09:35, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
Now, from a cursory look, it seems like merging this into Thor (Marvel Comics) is not a good idea, due to page size concerns. However, if you take a deeper look, you'll notice independent notability for the article subject has not been established in the article, and the prose is primarily in-universe detail that cites fictional stories as sources. Basically, most of the article is junk, and that won't do. Once you strip away all the in-story details, you're left with little, if anything at all, to warrant a separate article. What this article needs if it is to stay a separate page is information from reliable secondary sources establishing its notability, as well as elimination of in-universe fancruft. Otherwise, might as well merge what useful information remains after a severe culling into the Thor article. WesleyDodds ( talk) 10:43, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
Nope: No Merge. Good as is. Ty. Tubesgirl ( talk) 19:49, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
Just a note to explain that the formatting has to be consistent (eg. no such thing as "vol. 1") and that we try to keep articles on focus. For example, yes, the effect that Mjolnir has on Union Jack is worth a mention, but not a side discussion on the properties of electricity. Also note that the Presence was in fact being drained of his life (hence the withered look) and Red Guardian had to beg Thor to stop. Also, one reference is enough to reinforce a point. Hope that helps. Asgardian ( talk) 06:16, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
The 'biography' section should be merged into the powers and abillities section. We're missing tons of info in general on the page of noteable stuff. Like when Mjolnir laid for weeks in the mid-western field and thousands lined up to try and lift it. Or the times when it was used (in anger and in test) against Captain America's shield. And when it has been posessed (almost killing an innocent man by itself) or when it hides in non-existence (Jake Olson). Lots42 ( talk) 17:33, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
Why do you think any of that is notable in the sense that we use the term? That is to say, what real world impact are we describing? What reliable sources have discussed these matters? -- Cameron Scott ( talk) 19:48, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
You don't understand what I'm saying to you - that something happens in an issue is trivial, we are only interested in discussing it if it is the subject of a reliable third party source. So if Mjolnir is used to kill someone, we are only interested if a 3rd party source *discusses* that and provides critical commentary. Simply citing issue after issue of the primary text does not cut it. -- Cameron Scott ( talk) 13:06, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
ref>Marvel Comics Encyclopedia: The Complete Guide to the Characters of the Marvel Universe (2008), page #24. Published by DK Publishing. ISBN 978-07566-2358-6</ref - With the appropiate HTML, a good ref for this page. Lots42 ( talk) 04:48, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
Marvel Zombies universe - Thor wasn't weilding his hammer. Obviously eating people made him not worthy. Is there a Mjolnir hanging around the M.Z. universe? I know there's a few humans on the M.Z. earth should be worthy of weilding it... Anywho, Marvel 2099. Many of the characters worshipped Thor and wore imagery of his hammer. Did the real hammer show up? I know a sci-fi copy did... Lots42 ( talk) 09:38, 24 March 2011 (UTC)
Is it really to be spelled Mjolnir or rather Mj ölnir like the mythological original?-- BECK's 15:30, 2 May 2011 (UTC)
I disagree with the use of the term "created by" when describing the comic origins of the hammer. It is more like they incorporated the existing mythology into the Marvel Universe. 98.176.33.221 ( talk) 04:36, 14 August 2011 (UTC)
I don't have an issue reference, but one of Planetary's issues (in the second trade paperback collection) features a mysterious hammer that takes the innocuous form of a gnarled walking stick... familiar much? Maybe someone can work it into this article. Samf-nz ( talk) 07:34, 24 February 2012 (UTC)
She never at any point did. She lifted Loki's fake hammer.
Closest thing she does to lifting it is directing Thor's arm while in a trance and not acting as Storm.
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/107222/3971372-stormthor_zps22ec51f0.jpg
If we have her listed we have to list Thunderbolt Ross (Rulk) for having lifted Mjonir too. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ivory Ebony ( talk • contribs) 03:53, 23 May 2015 (UTC)
I noticed vision on the wielder's list. If the Red Hulk is not included because he found a loophole in the enchantment, Shouldn't Vision be excluded in the MCU for the same reason? clearly the MCU has it's own rules and loopholes.
I'm pretty sure the "elevator is not worthy" is supposed to point our that Vision didn't necessarily prove his worthiness by picking up the hammer...
and to paraphrase https://www.quora.com/SPOILER-ALERT-Why-was-Vision-able-to-lift-Thors-hammer-in-Avengers-Age-of-Ultron article,
vision didn't exactly go all glowy and electricy or gain more strength than before he wielded the hammer.
BlueArcher ( talk) 00:45, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
I note that Hela is listed as a wielder of Mjolnir within the Marvel Cinematic Universe and the source provided for this claim is Thor: Ragnarok. In that movie, however, Hela never actually wields the weapon – she is merely shown as grasping the weapon, which struggles in her hand as Thor maintains control of it. For this reason, I'm of the opinion that she should be removed from the list. -- Jasca Ducato ( talk | contributions) 15:23, 23 August 2019 (UTC)
The "In other realities" section of the wielders section is poorly formatted and lacks citations, besides a haphazard link at the bottom. Should be rewritten or removed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.88.164.147 ( talk) 23:12, 15 March 2020 (UTC)
Moon knight could also call on and wield Mjolnir also correct? It was supposed to be made of moon rock. 71.85.131.207 ( talk) 23:34, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
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-G —Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.117.158.83 ( talk) 20:14, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
Yep, he took it off Thor when the Avengers were fighting him, pegged Thor with the hammer, and almost finished him off with it before the Cap jumped in and saved him. Only this happened in the Ultimate universe not in 616, so it might not count. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.160.187.25 ( talk) 06:47, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
Red Hulk exposed a weakness in the enchantment where it depends on the force of gravity to actually work. Red Hulk grabbed onto Thor and the Hammer and jumped off the earth surface, taking Thor along for the ride and ending up in zero gravity. Red Hulk was able to wield and use the hammer against Thor in space. At the end of the battle Thor ended up on the moon and Red Hulk tossed the hammer down on the moon along with him. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.209.242.33 ( talk) 03:28, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
I do believe that 616 Hulk was able to lift the hammer in a story line. I don't have any references so I won't add him. But can anyone add insight? -- Grimbear13 ►Talk 17:08, 17 September 2010 (UTC)
Why isn't Hercules listed under wielders? Is he not allowed or something? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.238.78.170 ( talk) 18:50, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
The Hercules of the Marvel universe uses Mjlonir to smash the head of the cyborg Thor clone. He does this in issue 7 of civil war. Also as stated the Hulk of the Ultimate Universe can pick up Mjolnir.
Hurts to say this (as lifelong Marvel fan) but Wonder Woman lifted Mjolnir in the Marvel vs DC Crossover tale where she had to fight Storm. The hammer transported near her after Thor panned Captain Marvel (DC), but she relinquished it before beating Storm because it would have been unfair... top gal. Should this be added..?
- HJ -
When did USAgent lift the hammer? I'm drawing a blank here.
Also, Should Superman be quantified as a lifter, as he only temporarily had the ability to wield Mjolnir? At the end of the issue, Mjolnir was unliftable by Superman. He was only able to weild it after Thor temporarily recended the limitation, an action only done under extreme duress.
Hmmm ... does this make Captain America worthy? I remember only one instance where he weilded it and, at the time, it was to return the hammar to Thor while he was being tortured.\
Maybe the test of "weilding Mjolnir" would be to lift it w/o the presense of Thor to recend the restriction.
- Al -
Superman "lifted" the hammer in mid-throw just like Eric Masterson did. It's CLEAR that BOTH Superman AND ERIC MASTERSON GRIPPED the hammer as Thor threw/tossed it. Superman has a STRONG weakness against MAGIC, which Thor's hammer is purely consist of throughly! Superman CANNOT lifted Thor's jock strap if even ODIN made him able to because he will NEVER be as THOROUGH as THE-MIGHTY-THOR! I know Wonder Woman can lift Mjolnir waaaaaaaaaaaay before an over powered farm boy can!!!!!!!!!!!ROOKIES!?!
moshun11
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Applejuicefool 13:16, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
-- Evmore 16:27, 20 November 2005 (UTC)
In X-Men Annual #9 Loki gives Storm a hammer. He then states, "Her hammer is bound to my power by the spells that forge it... and Ororo to it by her lifesblood!" The hammer is flat on one end and wedge-shaped on the other. Later in the issue Loki catches the hammer in mid-flight and states that he helped forge it. The hammer is clearly not Mjolnir and therefore Storm is not eligible to be on the list of those who have lifted Mjolnir.
--ZW
Please note that there is no "bested in combat" exception to wielding Mjolnir. The Beta Ray Bill instance was a specific plan by Odin to create another protector for Asgard. Lochdale 05:08, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
Strength has nothing to do with lifting Thor's hammer. Plus Superman has finite strength if you want to talk about sheer raw power Hulk tops them all. --
Grimbear13
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17:10, 17 September 2010 (UTC)
Eric Masterson lifted Mjolnir prior to being merged with Thor, that's how he became merged with Thor. Eric was attacking the Mongoose with Mjolnir when he died.
I think a section on those who use the hammer in the What if ... series would be interesting. Notable hammer-tossers would be Rogue and Jane Forrester.
Conan carries the Mjolnir, after Thor dies, to battle Crom.
Another notable "What If" weilder was Crusader, the daughter of Cap America and Rogue from the last issues of Vol.2. Surprisingly, Thor's owns son wasn't able to lift the hammer.
The subject of DC superheroes lifting Mjolnir is on shakey ground, as these issues are not considered canon by both publishers. DC occasionally persists the storyline, Marvel does not.
AlGorup 14:45, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
This seems like a situation where a reliable secondary source would serve better than a primary source. We can argue all day over how to interpret the crossover itself, just as we could argue over how to interpret the Bible. An interview with one of the creators or company spokesmen, however, is far less open to interpretation. Can anyone cite a secondary source which says that this crossover is or is not canon? -- GentlemanGhost 21:00, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
Both Marvel Vs. DC and JLA/Avengers are considered canon to both companies. Access is a canon character, as is the Cosmic Egg. I've spoken to editors at both companies regarding this. JAF1970 19:57, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
But it is canon for DC, as seen in the pages of JLA, the syndicate Rules storyline.
BWANASIMBA 03:03, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
I'm simply reverting User:Asgardian's edits because they contain so many errors in formatting, wikilinking, citing sources, etc. I see no reason to spend hours going through and correcting these when we have pre-Asgardian versions available that don't contain these. CovenantD 00:48, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
Not that I mentioned them here, but the measurements need to go, period. Handbook stats are not used due to their notorious unreliability. CovenantD 19:04, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
Grade-A adamantium such as that used by recent versions of Ultron or Captain America's Shield can deflect it (although can be dented after a continuous assault).
I think, but am not sure, that this sentence implied Cap's shield is made out of adamantium (it's not, it's stronger). The sole time thor dented Cap's shield (and later repaired it) was when he possessed odin's power, which is probably notable. Impulse 17:56, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
Should the events described in the last Ragnarok storline be taken so literal? It implies that the Asgardians have been around since the dinosaurs and if a star was destroyed then wouldn't it have destroyed Earth's sun? Since gods have a tendence to exaggerate things shoudn't this be clarified more?
I agree. The history is difficult to piece together, as my readings of the comic is incomplete. How could Loki sabotage the construction of the hammer when Odin used it to slay his father? I always assumed that there was no contact between Loki and Odin/Thor prior to his adoption. So how could he sabotage the creation of an object that he didn't know exists?
AlGorup 13:48, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
One thing that's common in all of Marvel's version of mythological "gods" is that the writers write almost all of them as being cocky, long winded, and having a tendency to use dramatic poetic license when it comes to describing things or events in their history. Another problem is that Marvel integrated the fictional world The Hyborian Age into part of Earth's prehistoric era. Marvel used events described during this era as part of way of shaping major events in Earth's history including the Great Cataclysm that sank Atlantis and all that. During the entire course of the various Conan The Barbarian comics that Marvel put out, aside from a few "What If?" issues, Conan had no contact or anything to do with modern day characters, nor did any of the "gods" in Conan's time. In fact, as far as I know, the "gods" of the Hyborian Era don't exist in the Marvel Universe now, exactly what happened to them has never been explained and probably never will be. Marvel tends to not delve into stories involving Earth's early history anymore since they don't own the rights to Conan or the world created by Robert E. Howard anymore. So, some questions, such as truly how long the various god pantheons have been around for instance, exactly how and when weapons like Mjolnir were forged, etc. are probably going to remain ambiguous at best.
Should Eric Masterson be included on the list of those those who picked it up? The first time Thor summoned Mijolnir to himself and Eric just thought he had lifted it and later times Thor had been banished within Eric.
For several days now this page keeps shifting between two different pages. Can a single page be agreed upon or aspects of the two pages be merged?
A certain user - to judge from his talk page - seems to resent any changes to pages he feels he has juristiction over. This is a fallacy and also smacks of pettiness. Images can be changed and text can be made more succinct, as is the case here. There is nothing wrong with this.
Asgardian 03:28, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
I've tried adapting the best of both pages. The history given in the Ragnarok storline cannot be accuret if you take into account that the only gods to exist at the time of the dinosaurs were the Elder gods like Chthon and Gaea. They also pointed out in that story that Odin made the Earth and humanity, but since other gods exist like Zeus that story isn't necessarily true. Also, since there have been multiple Ragnaroks it is unknown if only one Mjolnir surivive all of them or if a new one was made each time. I have eliminated much of the repitition and included both images to try and satisfy both of you, Asgardian and CovenantD. Also, this article is not about Ultimate Thor's hammer which for all we know has no worthiness enchantment. That has not been stated one way or the other. It could just be really heavy requiring enough physical strength to lift it. Asgardian has documented many of the changes he made and things like Perrikus destroying it are FACT. Therefore, it deserves mention just as much as any other time Mjolnir has been destroyed. The extra information CovenantD give on the various enchantments give a reader addiontional information and clarrification about each enchantment the reader might be interested in. It is still divided up into the six enchantments making it easy to read. Wikipedia is meant for everyone, so since all the facts are true try to compromise.
Some of the storylines directly contradict one another, particularly as you pointed out the part about Odin creating Earth and humanity and all that. It's not accurate at all. www.marvunapp.com Try going to that site, they have profiles about many of the lesser known and/or rarely used characters in the Marvel Universe, including a lot of information regarding many of the Elder Gods. It might be able to help sort out some of the confusion regarding some of these storylines. There are profiles on the Midgard Serpent, Set, Chthon, etc. Odin's Beard 02:21, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
Most of this is already present in the updated version:
In pre-recorded Asgardian history, Odin ordered the dwarven blacksmiths Eitri, Brok, and Buri to forge Mjolnir. (Eitri is already mentioned) They used the core of a star and a forge enchanted by Odin to craft the weapon. The forging process was so intense, it destroyed the star and nearly Earth itself (subsequently implying that this event triggered the extinction of Earth's dinosaurs, but several events have been stated to be the cause of this). (In Marvel history Set caused the extinction of the dinosaurs - see Atum)
--Both stories have some legitimancy since both have been mentioned. We don't know how much of it is tur5e which is why I have clarrified that several events have been stated to be the source of this. Seekquaze
Afterwards, Odin imbued Mjolnir with several self-sustaining enchantments (as detailed below). (In later section) For a brief time, Odin used Mjolnir. One such instance was in a lethal fight with Laufey, a frost giant. After Laufey's death, Odin decided to adopt his orphaned son, Loki. (Not really relevant - mentioned that Odin used hammer)
--The enchantment part just lets people know what Odin did to it. The later part goes into detail. It is relevant how Odin used it because if he used it to kill Loki's father when Loki was just a child then Loki could not have interfered with its making. Seekquaze
Eventually, Odin laid Mjolnir to rest until its rightful owner, Thor, proved himself worthy of carrying it. Towards that end, Odin subjected Thor to numerous trials and tribulations, in an effort for Thor to develop into a person noble enough to wield Mjolnir. Thor used to measure his progress by seeing how high he can lift the mallet. This is the only occurrence of anyone partially wielding Mjolnir. (Powers and Abilities)
--Does not fall under powers and abilities. Seekquaze
Mjolnir's forge was lost for a period of time. Loki found it and used it to construct Uru weapons to challenge Thor's rule of Asgard, subsequently triggering the events leading to Ragnarok. (Mentioned in last section with reference)
Can either or both of the histories be found in an issue of the comic? Anything from real mythology should be in the main Mjolnir article and not here unless it's from a comic. Grey Shadow 11:00, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
Correct. It happens in Thor Annual #11 -
http://www.immortalthor.net/
Loki cuts off Sif's hair etc etc. As I said, if you can find a reference for the other version, we'll keep it. Regards
Asgardian
00:34, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
Yes...that's the forges...but not the actual myth...
Asgardian
05:35, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
The Marvel Handbook reference is fact. Mjolnir's measurements, unlike characters and whole stories, have never been changed. Besides, the argument for omission of any Handbook material is pretty weak.
Asgardian
02:56, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
Almost everything on the page IS copyrighted to Marvel! Why source copyrighted stories for most things but neglect others? Logic flaw.
Asgardian
03:21, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
I took out the mention of Earth-616 from the lead section because it's not meaningful to someone unfamiliar with the subject (i.e., too in-universe). Also, its not discussed anywhere else within the article. If it is necessary to differentiate Earth-616 from the other realities within the Marvel Universe, I feel this should be done within the body of the article. -- GentlemanGhost 22:27, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
I have put the request for citations back into the article. In particular, something that is a direct quote, such as the meaning of the word Mjolnir, needs to be sourced. Asgardian, you pointed out in your edit summary that "by that logic all those other myths need sourcing now". The short answer is yes, they do. I'm not sure which myths you were referring to, but if they are unsourced, then yes, they absolutely should be cited. In my case, I am requesting a citation for the whole paragraph regarding the Norse myth above where I put the template. Just because it's a myth that was probably handed down in an oral tradition doesn't mean it shouldn't be cited. Surely there are viable primary sources for it. -- GentlemanGhost 18:07, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
Why note who can and can't survive a hammer blow? For example, the Hulk can survive a hit but like Superman, Thor doesn't always go all out which is why Thor can fight villans such as El Toro and kill him outright. Specific references are not needed. Lochdale 05:10, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
Both JLA/Avengers and DC Vs. Marvel are canon. 1. Anything dealing with Access is considered canon to both universes. 2. JLA/Avengers is canon - as is the Cosmic Egg. Read the JLA/Avengers supplement. JAF1970 01:40, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
Finally, two images is sufficient. Any more is clutter, and as indicated this is not a fan site.
Asgardian 10:11, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
Would cameos be noteable? Mjolnir as appeared in the Tellos one shot 'The Last Heist'. (Pretty sure it's the hammer, Alan Scott's lantern is one page before...). Lots42 ( talk) 10:10, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
In one incident Thor's hammer is possessed, even going so far as to almost kill a radio D.J. In another, it's seperated from Thor, landing in Nebraska. Thousands line up to lift it, failing of course (but benefitting a clever, nearby doctor specializing in hernias). A millitary base is built over the hammer, then Doctor Doom himself attacks, killing many innocent soldiers in an effort to claim it. In conclusion, when does an event become noteable re: the hammer, seperate from Thor the entity? (Cap once sacrificed his shield in order to save a sailor's life; this is note on the shield page if I recall correctly). Lots42 ( talk) 20:14, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
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BetacommandBot ( talk) 02:48, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
I'm pretty sure I saw, out this month on the shelves in 7-11, an issue of the alternate reality series 'Marvel Adventures' with the cover showing Spider-man weilding the hammer. That was a long sentence. Lots42 ( talk) 11:03, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
The argument for/against these debated here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Melter
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Ego_the_Living_Planet
A consensus showed they cannot really apply to most comic-related articles.
Asgardian ( talk) 05:29, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
There's no reason to be swearing and so angry in the edit summaries, people. Either a character weilded Earth 616 Mjolnir or he (or she) didn't. Lots42 ( talk) 10:33, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
First off, to my knowledge Hercules has never wielded Mjolnir. In Civil War it was a fake. A technological copy created by Stark and Richards nothing more. If you know of an instance where Hercules wielded the real one name the issue. If you do not know the issue name the instance and overall storyline. There are resources on the Internet where the issue number can be found. If you can't name either of the two please stop changing it because there is no evidence Hercules ever wielded it.
Red Hulk-Technically he did not wield it the same way the others did by proving himself worthy. Loeb used shoddy reasoning to get around it. There have been numerous discussions on the problems with getting Thor up into space with it. So RHulk does not make the list. Not because the comic was sloppily written, but because he did not pass the worthiness test like the others.
Green Hulk has never wielded it. Ultimate Thor's hammer (hammers?) is different and has no such enchantment. The only time Green Hulk has lifted classic Mjolnir is when Thor has had all of the enchantments removed from it.
Superman technically did lift it, but the wording by Thor after words was somewhat ambigious. He seemed to be implying that due to emergence circumstances Superman was able to lift it once but not later unlike other characters like Beta Ray Bill that could wield it at any time. Nevertheless, he did wield it and get its power, so since the list is not going into specifics I think he makes it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 161.31.67.124 ( talk) 02:05, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
There's some special HTML we can use so when someone opens up the weilders section to edit, they -could- see a warning not to add 'Hulk'. We need to put such text in and I do not know how. Lots42 ( talk) 05:25, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
A piece of Mjolnir ended up causing the creation of Inferno (Joseph Conroy). We should somehow note that the hammer was messed up in the first place and then repaired at the steel mill and a flake left behind. Not sure where I could insert this info. Lots42 ( talk) 09:35, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
Now, from a cursory look, it seems like merging this into Thor (Marvel Comics) is not a good idea, due to page size concerns. However, if you take a deeper look, you'll notice independent notability for the article subject has not been established in the article, and the prose is primarily in-universe detail that cites fictional stories as sources. Basically, most of the article is junk, and that won't do. Once you strip away all the in-story details, you're left with little, if anything at all, to warrant a separate article. What this article needs if it is to stay a separate page is information from reliable secondary sources establishing its notability, as well as elimination of in-universe fancruft. Otherwise, might as well merge what useful information remains after a severe culling into the Thor article. WesleyDodds ( talk) 10:43, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
Nope: No Merge. Good as is. Ty. Tubesgirl ( talk) 19:49, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
Just a note to explain that the formatting has to be consistent (eg. no such thing as "vol. 1") and that we try to keep articles on focus. For example, yes, the effect that Mjolnir has on Union Jack is worth a mention, but not a side discussion on the properties of electricity. Also note that the Presence was in fact being drained of his life (hence the withered look) and Red Guardian had to beg Thor to stop. Also, one reference is enough to reinforce a point. Hope that helps. Asgardian ( talk) 06:16, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
The 'biography' section should be merged into the powers and abillities section. We're missing tons of info in general on the page of noteable stuff. Like when Mjolnir laid for weeks in the mid-western field and thousands lined up to try and lift it. Or the times when it was used (in anger and in test) against Captain America's shield. And when it has been posessed (almost killing an innocent man by itself) or when it hides in non-existence (Jake Olson). Lots42 ( talk) 17:33, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
Why do you think any of that is notable in the sense that we use the term? That is to say, what real world impact are we describing? What reliable sources have discussed these matters? -- Cameron Scott ( talk) 19:48, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
You don't understand what I'm saying to you - that something happens in an issue is trivial, we are only interested in discussing it if it is the subject of a reliable third party source. So if Mjolnir is used to kill someone, we are only interested if a 3rd party source *discusses* that and provides critical commentary. Simply citing issue after issue of the primary text does not cut it. -- Cameron Scott ( talk) 13:06, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
ref>Marvel Comics Encyclopedia: The Complete Guide to the Characters of the Marvel Universe (2008), page #24. Published by DK Publishing. ISBN 978-07566-2358-6</ref - With the appropiate HTML, a good ref for this page. Lots42 ( talk) 04:48, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
Marvel Zombies universe - Thor wasn't weilding his hammer. Obviously eating people made him not worthy. Is there a Mjolnir hanging around the M.Z. universe? I know there's a few humans on the M.Z. earth should be worthy of weilding it... Anywho, Marvel 2099. Many of the characters worshipped Thor and wore imagery of his hammer. Did the real hammer show up? I know a sci-fi copy did... Lots42 ( talk) 09:38, 24 March 2011 (UTC)
Is it really to be spelled Mjolnir or rather Mj ölnir like the mythological original?-- BECK's 15:30, 2 May 2011 (UTC)
I disagree with the use of the term "created by" when describing the comic origins of the hammer. It is more like they incorporated the existing mythology into the Marvel Universe. 98.176.33.221 ( talk) 04:36, 14 August 2011 (UTC)
I don't have an issue reference, but one of Planetary's issues (in the second trade paperback collection) features a mysterious hammer that takes the innocuous form of a gnarled walking stick... familiar much? Maybe someone can work it into this article. Samf-nz ( talk) 07:34, 24 February 2012 (UTC)
She never at any point did. She lifted Loki's fake hammer.
Closest thing she does to lifting it is directing Thor's arm while in a trance and not acting as Storm.
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/107222/3971372-stormthor_zps22ec51f0.jpg
If we have her listed we have to list Thunderbolt Ross (Rulk) for having lifted Mjonir too. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ivory Ebony ( talk • contribs) 03:53, 23 May 2015 (UTC)
I noticed vision on the wielder's list. If the Red Hulk is not included because he found a loophole in the enchantment, Shouldn't Vision be excluded in the MCU for the same reason? clearly the MCU has it's own rules and loopholes.
I'm pretty sure the "elevator is not worthy" is supposed to point our that Vision didn't necessarily prove his worthiness by picking up the hammer...
and to paraphrase https://www.quora.com/SPOILER-ALERT-Why-was-Vision-able-to-lift-Thors-hammer-in-Avengers-Age-of-Ultron article,
vision didn't exactly go all glowy and electricy or gain more strength than before he wielded the hammer.
BlueArcher ( talk) 00:45, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
I note that Hela is listed as a wielder of Mjolnir within the Marvel Cinematic Universe and the source provided for this claim is Thor: Ragnarok. In that movie, however, Hela never actually wields the weapon – she is merely shown as grasping the weapon, which struggles in her hand as Thor maintains control of it. For this reason, I'm of the opinion that she should be removed from the list. -- Jasca Ducato ( talk | contributions) 15:23, 23 August 2019 (UTC)
The "In other realities" section of the wielders section is poorly formatted and lacks citations, besides a haphazard link at the bottom. Should be rewritten or removed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.88.164.147 ( talk) 23:12, 15 March 2020 (UTC)
Moon knight could also call on and wield Mjolnir also correct? It was supposed to be made of moon rock. 71.85.131.207 ( talk) 23:34, 18 January 2022 (UTC)