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I've reverted the changes made by an IP that implies in its edit summary it is or represents Mitch Gaylord. The reason used was WP:COI, however, the edits by the anon also removed cited material as well as inserting marketing/advertising and un-cited and possible non-notable content on his wife (secondary biography content).
It should also be noted that this article has been discussed at Wikipedia:Conflict of interest/Noticeboard#Mitch Gaylord. --- Barek ( talk • contribs) - 00:51, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
The citation to his 1st wife was to a website that cited an uncited wikpedia article on his 1st wife. I removed the mention of the 1st wife and reference to that website.-- Canoe1967 ( talk) 17:04, 19 March 2012 (UTC)
I see that two of the citations in this article are to the Internet Movie Database (IMDB). There has been quite a bit of discussion on Wikipedia as to whether IMDB should be considered an RS, without any conclusive decisions. Shall we all agree that IMDB will be considered a reliable source for this article? Ebikeguy ( talk) 02:23, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
I have protected the article to prevent the current edit-warring.
Anyone wishing to make edits will need to request them here, where they can be discussed.
Please note there is already a discussion above regarding Mr Gaylord's ex-wife and whether she should be included in the article. -- Dweller ( talk) 12:16, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
My first article was a BLP. I gave the courtesy of emailing a friend of his to contact him about the article's creation. I couldn't find an email for him. I agree there should be a balance between sensitivity and providing information. Such as not including extra info on past partners. If a past partner had been a shoplifter that would have about the same insight as being a Playboy model, but in more negative way.-- Canoe1967 ( talk) 16:18, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
If the first wife is notable, then there is a clear reason to name her and the reason for her notability. If not, then her profession should be omitted as trivial (whatever the profession might be), but her name should not. I'm, erm, not entirely familiar with notability guidelines for centrefolds... does anyone know if the ex Mrs Gaylord notable? -- Dweller ( talk) 16:36, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
IMBD shows her as an actress before and after being a Playboy model. Could we just list her as an actress then? She may also be notable enough to have her own article with a link to the Playboy month article? Btw Roger good use of a proper double negative.-- Canoe1967 ( talk) 17:01, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
Wikilink only is fine with me. Subjects do not have the right to not be embarrassed. was the double negative you used earlier. A postitive would read as subjects have the right to be embarrassed, which would not convey the point correctly.-- Canoe1967 ( talk) 18:09, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
Done I have done the agreed edits. Roger ( talk) 10:47, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
Currently, the material is worded as:
I think it would be better to lead off with the current relationship, as well as dropping the date range which I think places a higher weight on that material (given as the date the second marriage began is not mention - leaving off the years places the material on more equal footing). I think it would read better as:
Opinions on this change? --- Barek ( talk • contribs) - 22:05, 23 March 2012 (UTC)
Shouldn't that belong only in her section then? Criminals have their own articles, and a wikilink here is all the reader may need to show her as notable, which some may still question.-- Canoe1967 ( talk) 07:33, 24 March 2012 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons#Presumption_in_favor_of_privacy-- Canoe1967 ( talk) 20:42, 24 March 2012 (UTC)
I've updated the wording per the suggestion mentioned above. The added text is entirely factual, and does not mention any secondary information about the ex-wife other than her name - and the source used (Playboy) is clearly a reliable source. As mentioned by others, IMDB is not a reliable source; nor is the high-school reunion website that was previously used in the article. --- Barek ( talk • contribs) - 00:56, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
I think the article is ok now. I aplogize to all for being so anal about it. I was most concerned about the legal aspects of information in a BLP that wasn't properly cited, especially when the person is involved. I felt speedy delete of info is the best CYA legally. There are further details that may have started all of this, but I won't mention it here. It is too bad wikipedia can't use the wayback machine resources, they must have huge data storage.-- Canoe1967 ( talk) 18:31, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
I am about to unprotect the article. A resumption of edit warring against consensus will see blocks being freely given out. -- Dweller ( talk) 10:02, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
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The International Jewish Sports Hall of Fame website says that he was inducted in 1988. IMDb says the same. And yet the linked reference is from 2009, and Jerusalem Post agrees. So there's definitely some confusion here...would the IJSHF be the dominant answer here? It seems strange that he would be inducted in 1988 and not have a ceremony until 2009. - Etoile ✩ ( talk) 22:32, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
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I've reverted the changes made by an IP that implies in its edit summary it is or represents Mitch Gaylord. The reason used was WP:COI, however, the edits by the anon also removed cited material as well as inserting marketing/advertising and un-cited and possible non-notable content on his wife (secondary biography content).
It should also be noted that this article has been discussed at Wikipedia:Conflict of interest/Noticeboard#Mitch Gaylord. --- Barek ( talk • contribs) - 00:51, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
The citation to his 1st wife was to a website that cited an uncited wikpedia article on his 1st wife. I removed the mention of the 1st wife and reference to that website.-- Canoe1967 ( talk) 17:04, 19 March 2012 (UTC)
I see that two of the citations in this article are to the Internet Movie Database (IMDB). There has been quite a bit of discussion on Wikipedia as to whether IMDB should be considered an RS, without any conclusive decisions. Shall we all agree that IMDB will be considered a reliable source for this article? Ebikeguy ( talk) 02:23, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
I have protected the article to prevent the current edit-warring.
Anyone wishing to make edits will need to request them here, where they can be discussed.
Please note there is already a discussion above regarding Mr Gaylord's ex-wife and whether she should be included in the article. -- Dweller ( talk) 12:16, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
My first article was a BLP. I gave the courtesy of emailing a friend of his to contact him about the article's creation. I couldn't find an email for him. I agree there should be a balance between sensitivity and providing information. Such as not including extra info on past partners. If a past partner had been a shoplifter that would have about the same insight as being a Playboy model, but in more negative way.-- Canoe1967 ( talk) 16:18, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
If the first wife is notable, then there is a clear reason to name her and the reason for her notability. If not, then her profession should be omitted as trivial (whatever the profession might be), but her name should not. I'm, erm, not entirely familiar with notability guidelines for centrefolds... does anyone know if the ex Mrs Gaylord notable? -- Dweller ( talk) 16:36, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
IMBD shows her as an actress before and after being a Playboy model. Could we just list her as an actress then? She may also be notable enough to have her own article with a link to the Playboy month article? Btw Roger good use of a proper double negative.-- Canoe1967 ( talk) 17:01, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
Wikilink only is fine with me. Subjects do not have the right to not be embarrassed. was the double negative you used earlier. A postitive would read as subjects have the right to be embarrassed, which would not convey the point correctly.-- Canoe1967 ( talk) 18:09, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
Done I have done the agreed edits. Roger ( talk) 10:47, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
Currently, the material is worded as:
I think it would be better to lead off with the current relationship, as well as dropping the date range which I think places a higher weight on that material (given as the date the second marriage began is not mention - leaving off the years places the material on more equal footing). I think it would read better as:
Opinions on this change? --- Barek ( talk • contribs) - 22:05, 23 March 2012 (UTC)
Shouldn't that belong only in her section then? Criminals have their own articles, and a wikilink here is all the reader may need to show her as notable, which some may still question.-- Canoe1967 ( talk) 07:33, 24 March 2012 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons#Presumption_in_favor_of_privacy-- Canoe1967 ( talk) 20:42, 24 March 2012 (UTC)
I've updated the wording per the suggestion mentioned above. The added text is entirely factual, and does not mention any secondary information about the ex-wife other than her name - and the source used (Playboy) is clearly a reliable source. As mentioned by others, IMDB is not a reliable source; nor is the high-school reunion website that was previously used in the article. --- Barek ( talk • contribs) - 00:56, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
I think the article is ok now. I aplogize to all for being so anal about it. I was most concerned about the legal aspects of information in a BLP that wasn't properly cited, especially when the person is involved. I felt speedy delete of info is the best CYA legally. There are further details that may have started all of this, but I won't mention it here. It is too bad wikipedia can't use the wayback machine resources, they must have huge data storage.-- Canoe1967 ( talk) 18:31, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
I am about to unprotect the article. A resumption of edit warring against consensus will see blocks being freely given out. -- Dweller ( talk) 10:02, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
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The International Jewish Sports Hall of Fame website says that he was inducted in 1988. IMDb says the same. And yet the linked reference is from 2009, and Jerusalem Post agrees. So there's definitely some confusion here...would the IJSHF be the dominant answer here? It seems strange that he would be inducted in 1988 and not have a ceremony until 2009. - Etoile ✩ ( talk) 22:32, 2 August 2021 (UTC)