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Nastia Liukin has been nominated for a community good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. MediaWiki message delivery ( talk) 07:22, 17 January 2023 (UTC)
You may be interested in this village pump discussion on draftifiying nearly a thousand Olympians. BeanieFan11 ( talk) 14:50, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
I’ve come across several articles that say all round. The correct term is all around. Afheather ( talk) 16:29, 19 June 2023 (UTC)
Hello! I am currently working on the Marshall Avener. He is a fascinating figure and I believe this has the potential to be a good article if a picture can be found.
Just wondered if anyone knew of any potential sources for gymnast photos from this era? Avener competed in the 1972 and 1976 Olympics, along with many other competitions, so I hope something is out there. Thanks in advance for any advice or help. MarchOfTheGreyhounds ( talk) 15:49, 29 August 2023 (UTC)
Another RfC on capitalization of all our articles
I thought this was a done deal back in this 2022 RFC but obviously not. A handful of editors did another rfc with no sports projects input at all. And it's being challenged because we just noticed it. This could affect almost every single tennis and Olympic article we have, and goodness know how many other sports. Some may have already been moved it you weren't watching the article. And not just the article titles will be affected but all the player bios that link to the articles. Sure the links would be piped to the right place if thousands of articles moved, but if the wording in a bio still said 2023 Wimbledon Championships – Men's singles or Swimming at the 2020 Summer Olympics – Men's 200 metre backstroke that would likely need to be changed by hand. There is also talk of removing the ndash completely.
Perhaps this is what sports projects want and perhaps not. Either way I certainly don't want projects ill-informed as the last RfC was handled. Express your thoughts at the following rfc. Fyunck(click) ( talk) 20:40, 20 September 2023 (UTC)
Hello, community! I come as a fairly new member, although have been an editor for quite some time with other projects. I've embarked on updating information regarding US MAG and associated biographies and noticed an inconsistency with "consensus" and what's actually occurring and hope to seek guidance on this topic.
I have started with generally older US MAG athlete profiles (Olympics, mainly, up until the mid-1950's). These biographies generally do not align with NCAA records and championships, but I've now started to encounter some for which that's applicable (e.g. Ray Sorensen, Joe Kotys, Bill Roetzheim, Jack Beckner, etc.). To ensure I aligned with consensus, I thought reviewing popular, recent gymnast pages would lead me to what's commonly accepted. After seeing similar athlete histories on both American female ( Jade Carey, Kayla DiCello, Jordan Chiles, Sunisa Lee, Grace McCallum, Madison Kocian, etc.) and male ( Brody Malone, Sam Mikulak, Yul Moldauer, Shane Wiskus, etc.) profiles/pages, I set off to complete older biographies in the same manner.
My first speed bump was with William Bonsall. 1948 Olympian and 1948 NCAA team champion. Similar to the profiles above, I added in his NCAA Championship to his infobox with the Penn State logo, which was immediately removed via bot. I sought guidance on infobox from project member @ Mypurplelightsaber: via talk page. After doing some digging, it appears there may be consensus within the Project via this and this that NCAA placements shouldn't be included at all?
I say all that to ask: what are we doing here and how do we proceed forward?
tl;dr:
- Some of the most high-profile, American gymnasts with collegiate backgrounds currently have collegiate information/medals/placements in their infoboxes, which seems to be against what's been established by the Project as consensus.
- If in practice we are now putting NCAA placements in infoboxes, do these also include the collegiate logos? Each example I noted above had them, however when I tried to mimic it was immediately removed.
I seek guidance from this group as a new member of this project so I can continue to create accordingly. GauchoDude ( talk) 19:39, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
- One reason I say to include NCAA Championships is that NCAA gymnasts popularity is rapidly growing (at least in the United States). Many NCAA gymnasts are getting their own wikipedia pages (and I'm talking about those who are only known for their NCAA careers and either were never elite-level gymnasts or were only at the elite level briefly that they really never got an international experience – Katelyn Ohashi, Alex McMurtry, Maile O'Keefe, Haleigh Bryant, Natalie Wojcik, Sierra Brooks, Lexy Ramler, Anastasia Webb for example). They are very accomplished (at least at the NCAA level) and their pages should reflect this. However, I can see how people would think that the elite-level gymnasts (like Jade, Suni, Jordan, etc) shouldn't have these medals because there are much more high-level meets that they can get medals for and the NCAA Champs are not that prestigious in comparison. Mypurplelightsaber ( talk) 13:46, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
- I tend to agree. With the examples you've provided above, they clearly meet WP:GNG and thus warrant inclusion in Wikipedia. Furthermore, all of these examples are notable because they are gymnasts. As such, their gymnastic accomplishments should be reflected since "...the purpose of an infobox: to summarize (and not supplant) key facts that appear in the article..." per MOS:INFOBOXPURPOSE. GauchoDude ( talk) 18:38, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
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Nastia Liukin has been nominated for a community good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. MediaWiki message delivery ( talk) 07:22, 17 January 2023 (UTC)
You may be interested in this village pump discussion on draftifiying nearly a thousand Olympians. BeanieFan11 ( talk) 14:50, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
I’ve come across several articles that say all round. The correct term is all around. Afheather ( talk) 16:29, 19 June 2023 (UTC)
Hello! I am currently working on the Marshall Avener. He is a fascinating figure and I believe this has the potential to be a good article if a picture can be found.
Just wondered if anyone knew of any potential sources for gymnast photos from this era? Avener competed in the 1972 and 1976 Olympics, along with many other competitions, so I hope something is out there. Thanks in advance for any advice or help. MarchOfTheGreyhounds ( talk) 15:49, 29 August 2023 (UTC)
Another RfC on capitalization of all our articles
I thought this was a done deal back in this 2022 RFC but obviously not. A handful of editors did another rfc with no sports projects input at all. And it's being challenged because we just noticed it. This could affect almost every single tennis and Olympic article we have, and goodness know how many other sports. Some may have already been moved it you weren't watching the article. And not just the article titles will be affected but all the player bios that link to the articles. Sure the links would be piped to the right place if thousands of articles moved, but if the wording in a bio still said 2023 Wimbledon Championships – Men's singles or Swimming at the 2020 Summer Olympics – Men's 200 metre backstroke that would likely need to be changed by hand. There is also talk of removing the ndash completely.
Perhaps this is what sports projects want and perhaps not. Either way I certainly don't want projects ill-informed as the last RfC was handled. Express your thoughts at the following rfc. Fyunck(click) ( talk) 20:40, 20 September 2023 (UTC)
Hello, community! I come as a fairly new member, although have been an editor for quite some time with other projects. I've embarked on updating information regarding US MAG and associated biographies and noticed an inconsistency with "consensus" and what's actually occurring and hope to seek guidance on this topic.
I have started with generally older US MAG athlete profiles (Olympics, mainly, up until the mid-1950's). These biographies generally do not align with NCAA records and championships, but I've now started to encounter some for which that's applicable (e.g. Ray Sorensen, Joe Kotys, Bill Roetzheim, Jack Beckner, etc.). To ensure I aligned with consensus, I thought reviewing popular, recent gymnast pages would lead me to what's commonly accepted. After seeing similar athlete histories on both American female ( Jade Carey, Kayla DiCello, Jordan Chiles, Sunisa Lee, Grace McCallum, Madison Kocian, etc.) and male ( Brody Malone, Sam Mikulak, Yul Moldauer, Shane Wiskus, etc.) profiles/pages, I set off to complete older biographies in the same manner.
My first speed bump was with William Bonsall. 1948 Olympian and 1948 NCAA team champion. Similar to the profiles above, I added in his NCAA Championship to his infobox with the Penn State logo, which was immediately removed via bot. I sought guidance on infobox from project member @ Mypurplelightsaber: via talk page. After doing some digging, it appears there may be consensus within the Project via this and this that NCAA placements shouldn't be included at all?
I say all that to ask: what are we doing here and how do we proceed forward?
tl;dr:
- Some of the most high-profile, American gymnasts with collegiate backgrounds currently have collegiate information/medals/placements in their infoboxes, which seems to be against what's been established by the Project as consensus.
- If in practice we are now putting NCAA placements in infoboxes, do these also include the collegiate logos? Each example I noted above had them, however when I tried to mimic it was immediately removed.
I seek guidance from this group as a new member of this project so I can continue to create accordingly. GauchoDude ( talk) 19:39, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
- One reason I say to include NCAA Championships is that NCAA gymnasts popularity is rapidly growing (at least in the United States). Many NCAA gymnasts are getting their own wikipedia pages (and I'm talking about those who are only known for their NCAA careers and either were never elite-level gymnasts or were only at the elite level briefly that they really never got an international experience – Katelyn Ohashi, Alex McMurtry, Maile O'Keefe, Haleigh Bryant, Natalie Wojcik, Sierra Brooks, Lexy Ramler, Anastasia Webb for example). They are very accomplished (at least at the NCAA level) and their pages should reflect this. However, I can see how people would think that the elite-level gymnasts (like Jade, Suni, Jordan, etc) shouldn't have these medals because there are much more high-level meets that they can get medals for and the NCAA Champs are not that prestigious in comparison. Mypurplelightsaber ( talk) 13:46, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
- I tend to agree. With the examples you've provided above, they clearly meet WP:GNG and thus warrant inclusion in Wikipedia. Furthermore, all of these examples are notable because they are gymnasts. As such, their gymnastic accomplishments should be reflected since "...the purpose of an infobox: to summarize (and not supplant) key facts that appear in the article..." per MOS:INFOBOXPURPOSE. GauchoDude ( talk) 18:38, 29 November 2023 (UTC)