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Frequently asked questions Many of these questions arise frequently on the talk page concerning the 9/11 conspiracy theories. To view an explanation to the answer, click the [show] link to the right of the question. Q1: Why does this article not discuss 9/11 conspiracy theories as a valid scientific or historical hypothesis?
A1: Wikipedia relies on
reliable sources that have a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy. The
Neutral point of view policy, especially the sections
Undue weight and
Equal validity, requires that editors not add their own editorial biases when writing text based on such sources. As the relevant academic field generally rejects the several hypotheses grouped under the umbrella of 9/11 conspiracy theories, it would be a disservice to our readers to have a full description of the topic that does not reflect the consensus view. Further advice for how to treat topics such as this one may be found at the
Fringe theories and
Reliable sources guidelines. Q2: Doesn't Wikipedia's policy on "neutrality" require a neutral treatment?
A2: Wikipedia's policy on
neutrality does not require that all hypotheses be treated as equal or valid, nor is neutrality decided by the opinions of editors. On Wikipedia, neutrality is represented by a fair summary of the opinion found in the relevant scholarly, academic, or otherwise expert community. If that community rejects an idea with unanimity or near-unanimity,
due weight requires that that rejection be presented. Q3: Why didn't you include (other theory) in the article?
A3: Wikipedia's
due weight guidelines state that an article should "make appropriate reference to the majority viewpoint wherever relevant and must not represent content strictly from the perspective of the minority view." Thus, we cover those conspiracy theories which have received significant coverage in reliable sources. Q4: Isn't the official government story a "conspiracy theory" too?
A4: Wikipedia refers to reliable mainstream sources when determining appropriate descriptions. As such sources do not commonly refer to the official account as a "conspiracy theory" neither do articles here. The term
conspiracy theory is typically used for claims that an event is "the result of an alleged plot by a covert group or organization or, more broadly, the idea that important political, social or economic events are the products of secret plots that are largely unknown to the general public." Although the version in government reports would fit the literal meaning of the term, conspiracy theories are generally viewed as theories that "read between the lines," and assume a hidden motive & massive manipulation of evidence to deceive the public. By nature, conspiracy theories are unsubstantiated and intended to question the official or scientific explanation. Q5: Isn't "conspiracy theory" a pejorative term? Shouldn't the article be named something more neutral?
A5: Titles are typically chosen based on whether it is the
common name used for the subject in reliable sources. While the term conspiracy theory has been used as a pejorative, so has "scientist," "American," and various other terms. It is not universally considered pejorative. There have been numerous discussions about the title of the article since the attacks occurred. After several debates, "conspiracy theory" has been judged to be the most common, accurate, and neutral term to describe the subject this article covers. Q6: My edit was cited. Why was it removed?
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reliable sources. This is difficult with conspiracy theories, as they are already outside the mainstream. Generally speaking, we do not consider citations from blogs, websites with no editorial oversight, or YouTube videos to be reliable. If the material is about
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The section on insider trading includes the excerpt from the 9/11 Commission Report describing how one firm purchased 95% of the put options on one of the days, but does not mention the detail that this was Alex. Brown, which A. B. Krongard had been a director at. This was mentioned in the press at the time. Example: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/mystery-terror-insider-dealers-9237061.html 216.164.226.176 ( talk) 03:57, 29 January 2021 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: No consensus. There are differing views as to which title better satisfies WP:COMMONNAME, as well as how to weigh the criteria of consistency and precision. ( non-admin closure) Colin M ( talk) 19:49, 10 February 2022 (UTC)
9/11 conspiracy theories →
September 11 conspiracy theories – Most other articles in the topic area call it the "
September 11 attacks" or just "September 11", not "9/11". The last move request was in 2010, but consensus could have changed since then. Another alternative could be
Conspiracy theories about the September 11 attacks. –
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• Oppose to main general suggestion. In particular, note that “September 11” and “conspiracy theory” when combined created a longer title than necessary. Moreover, the terrorist attacks aren’t actually the primary topic of “September 11”, but they are the primary topic of “9/11”. This type of move seems to have zero benefit at best, but many drawbacks at worst. Strong oppose to last alternative suggestion. That is an excessively unwieldy title. Could serve as a good redirect. Mrbeastmodeallday ( talk) 12:24, 7 February 2022 (UTC)
This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 23 August 2022 and 9 December 2022. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): Charisse.v ( article contribs). Peer reviewers: Openskies789, Sbradford1149, Kaylingonzalez00.
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"According to an international poll that same year, huge majorities in Muslim countries prefer to believe baseless conspiracy theories rather than listen to the mainstream facts of what happened on September 11, 2001, in New York City and Washington. "
in any case I think this is a very un-wikipedia-like sentence, even if it is true (which seems unlikely to me). why not:
According to an international poll that same year, a majority of the population of some Muslim countries believe in some form of 9/11 conspiracy theory.
or something similar 2601:249:8A80:2550:889D:99AE:2575:5D08 ( talk) 22:50, 4 November 2022 (UTC)
There needs to be the underground nuclear demolition section added to the conspiracy theory section, there is wide and thorough research into this category by nuclear physicists and demolition experts. Please include it. 2601:280:C781:B7F0:BCCB:D650:2632:1ED1 ( talk) 06:51, 3 January 2023 (UTC)
I find it odd that in this article the person has listed this as conspiracy theory..According to the fact the beginning of this pipeline started in 2015. 2604:2D80:DA10:4B00:3D63:1DD8:E70:7997 ( talk) 22:51, 14 February 2023 (UTC)
Re: accusations of the attacks being staged by the home govt. for their own popularity benefit
OF COURSE the accusations on the latter (moscow) one were FAR more accurate and less of a 'conspiracy theory' (said so so that I don't get banned on 'suspicion of promoting' wild conspiracy theories)
but still..i don't think it would do harm for wikipedia to include this bit 2402:E280:3D1D:5B0:F8E5:CCBD:7266:964B ( talk) 10:19, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
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change " a researcher from the French National Centre for Scientific Research published in Le Monde." to "a researcher from the French National Centre for Scientific Research published in the newspaper Le Monde.". It makes it clear that Le Monde is not a scientific journal, which I personaly thought reading it. MartinUnknown ( talk) 18:21, 2 March 2024 (UTC)
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This statement (“These include the theory that high-level government officials had advance knowledge of the attacks. Government investigations and independent reviews have rejected these theories.[2][3]”) should be changed because I could not find any evidence that the government were/were not involved so it is best not to even include it. Nowhere did it say these theories were rejected nor confirmed. I’m sure this has confused other people I just would like this to be a lot clearer and correct statement. Thank you for your slave work for Wikipedia it is greatly appreciated as you do what 99% of others would rather not. 174.234.143.10 ( talk) 04:40, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
I could not find any evidence that the government were/were not involved
slave work. — The Hand That Feeds You: Bite 11:44, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
Why isn't there a section debunking the conspiracy theories like in the Moon landing conspiracy theories article? 2806:230:1036:BCED:EE2E:98FF:FEF4:9A03 ( talk) 04:39, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
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Frequently asked questions Many of these questions arise frequently on the talk page concerning the 9/11 conspiracy theories. To view an explanation to the answer, click the [show] link to the right of the question. Q1: Why does this article not discuss 9/11 conspiracy theories as a valid scientific or historical hypothesis?
A1: Wikipedia relies on
reliable sources that have a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy. The
Neutral point of view policy, especially the sections
Undue weight and
Equal validity, requires that editors not add their own editorial biases when writing text based on such sources. As the relevant academic field generally rejects the several hypotheses grouped under the umbrella of 9/11 conspiracy theories, it would be a disservice to our readers to have a full description of the topic that does not reflect the consensus view. Further advice for how to treat topics such as this one may be found at the
Fringe theories and
Reliable sources guidelines. Q2: Doesn't Wikipedia's policy on "neutrality" require a neutral treatment?
A2: Wikipedia's policy on
neutrality does not require that all hypotheses be treated as equal or valid, nor is neutrality decided by the opinions of editors. On Wikipedia, neutrality is represented by a fair summary of the opinion found in the relevant scholarly, academic, or otherwise expert community. If that community rejects an idea with unanimity or near-unanimity,
due weight requires that that rejection be presented. Q3: Why didn't you include (other theory) in the article?
A3: Wikipedia's
due weight guidelines state that an article should "make appropriate reference to the majority viewpoint wherever relevant and must not represent content strictly from the perspective of the minority view." Thus, we cover those conspiracy theories which have received significant coverage in reliable sources. Q4: Isn't the official government story a "conspiracy theory" too?
A4: Wikipedia refers to reliable mainstream sources when determining appropriate descriptions. As such sources do not commonly refer to the official account as a "conspiracy theory" neither do articles here. The term
conspiracy theory is typically used for claims that an event is "the result of an alleged plot by a covert group or organization or, more broadly, the idea that important political, social or economic events are the products of secret plots that are largely unknown to the general public." Although the version in government reports would fit the literal meaning of the term, conspiracy theories are generally viewed as theories that "read between the lines," and assume a hidden motive & massive manipulation of evidence to deceive the public. By nature, conspiracy theories are unsubstantiated and intended to question the official or scientific explanation. Q5: Isn't "conspiracy theory" a pejorative term? Shouldn't the article be named something more neutral?
A5: Titles are typically chosen based on whether it is the
common name used for the subject in reliable sources. While the term conspiracy theory has been used as a pejorative, so has "scientist," "American," and various other terms. It is not universally considered pejorative. There have been numerous discussions about the title of the article since the attacks occurred. After several debates, "conspiracy theory" has been judged to be the most common, accurate, and neutral term to describe the subject this article covers. Q6: My edit was cited. Why was it removed?
A6: Wikipedia requires all contentious claims be cited to
reliable sources. This is difficult with conspiracy theories, as they are already outside the mainstream. Generally speaking, we do not consider citations from blogs, websites with no editorial oversight, or YouTube videos to be reliable. If the material is about
living people, this is especially important. If you feel your citation fits within Wikipedia's guidelines, please post a comment on the Talk page so it can be discussed. |
9/11 conspiracy theories was a good articles nominee, but did not meet the good article criteria at the time. There may be suggestions below for improving the article. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake. | ||||||||||||||||
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The section on insider trading includes the excerpt from the 9/11 Commission Report describing how one firm purchased 95% of the put options on one of the days, but does not mention the detail that this was Alex. Brown, which A. B. Krongard had been a director at. This was mentioned in the press at the time. Example: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/mystery-terror-insider-dealers-9237061.html 216.164.226.176 ( talk) 03:57, 29 January 2021 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: No consensus. There are differing views as to which title better satisfies WP:COMMONNAME, as well as how to weigh the criteria of consistency and precision. ( non-admin closure) Colin M ( talk) 19:49, 10 February 2022 (UTC)
9/11 conspiracy theories →
September 11 conspiracy theories – Most other articles in the topic area call it the "
September 11 attacks" or just "September 11", not "9/11". The last move request was in 2010, but consensus could have changed since then. Another alternative could be
Conspiracy theories about the September 11 attacks. –
LaundryPizza03 (
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c̄)
22:36, 31 January 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose to main general suggestion. In particular, note that “September 11” and “conspiracy theory” when combined created a longer title than necessary. Moreover, the terrorist attacks aren’t actually the primary topic of “September 11”, but they are the primary topic of “9/11”. This type of move seems to have zero benefit at best, but many drawbacks at worst. Strong oppose to last alternative suggestion. That is an excessively unwieldy title. Could serve as a good redirect. Mrbeastmodeallday ( talk) 12:24, 7 February 2022 (UTC)
This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 23 August 2022 and 9 December 2022. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): Charisse.v ( article contribs). Peer reviewers: Openskies789, Sbradford1149, Kaylingonzalez00.
— Assignment last updated by Openskies789 ( talk) 00:30, 24 October 2022 (UTC)
"According to an international poll that same year, huge majorities in Muslim countries prefer to believe baseless conspiracy theories rather than listen to the mainstream facts of what happened on September 11, 2001, in New York City and Washington. "
in any case I think this is a very un-wikipedia-like sentence, even if it is true (which seems unlikely to me). why not:
According to an international poll that same year, a majority of the population of some Muslim countries believe in some form of 9/11 conspiracy theory.
or something similar 2601:249:8A80:2550:889D:99AE:2575:5D08 ( talk) 22:50, 4 November 2022 (UTC)
There needs to be the underground nuclear demolition section added to the conspiracy theory section, there is wide and thorough research into this category by nuclear physicists and demolition experts. Please include it. 2601:280:C781:B7F0:BCCB:D650:2632:1ED1 ( talk) 06:51, 3 January 2023 (UTC)
I find it odd that in this article the person has listed this as conspiracy theory..According to the fact the beginning of this pipeline started in 2015. 2604:2D80:DA10:4B00:3D63:1DD8:E70:7997 ( talk) 22:51, 14 February 2023 (UTC)
Re: accusations of the attacks being staged by the home govt. for their own popularity benefit
OF COURSE the accusations on the latter (moscow) one were FAR more accurate and less of a 'conspiracy theory' (said so so that I don't get banned on 'suspicion of promoting' wild conspiracy theories)
but still..i don't think it would do harm for wikipedia to include this bit 2402:E280:3D1D:5B0:F8E5:CCBD:7266:964B ( talk) 10:19, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
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change " a researcher from the French National Centre for Scientific Research published in Le Monde." to "a researcher from the French National Centre for Scientific Research published in the newspaper Le Monde.". It makes it clear that Le Monde is not a scientific journal, which I personaly thought reading it. MartinUnknown ( talk) 18:21, 2 March 2024 (UTC)
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This statement (“These include the theory that high-level government officials had advance knowledge of the attacks. Government investigations and independent reviews have rejected these theories.[2][3]”) should be changed because I could not find any evidence that the government were/were not involved so it is best not to even include it. Nowhere did it say these theories were rejected nor confirmed. I’m sure this has confused other people I just would like this to be a lot clearer and correct statement. Thank you for your slave work for Wikipedia it is greatly appreciated as you do what 99% of others would rather not. 174.234.143.10 ( talk) 04:40, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
I could not find any evidence that the government were/were not involved
slave work. — The Hand That Feeds You: Bite 11:44, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
Why isn't there a section debunking the conspiracy theories like in the Moon landing conspiracy theories article? 2806:230:1036:BCED:EE2E:98FF:FEF4:9A03 ( talk) 04:39, 19 June 2024 (UTC)